| How to get Subtle Stereo Vocals [message #94230] |
Tue, 01 January 2008 06:12  |
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John [1]
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Registered: September 2005
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I am trying to get a subtle stereo vocal sound like the one in this link below.
Can anyone tell me how they think this was recorded and does anyone have
some tips to take a mono vocal and get it to simulate this sound.
It's not real obvious when listening normally but if you use headphones and
the Kelly Stereo tools and pick the preset "Mute Left Center Right" or "Mute
Right Center Left" it will take a channel like Left and put it in both channels
or right and put it in both for a mono effect. Switching this back to default
(stereo) makes the subtle stereo effect very obvious.
I have plenty of reverbs and delays if you have things for me to try. Maybe
it's not possible and I just have to record in stereo. Do you think this
vocal was recorded in stereo or what? Thanks.
Vocal
http://download.yousendit.com/02BE268D26657759
Saxophone
http://download.yousendit.com/0341E85377D3681A
Kelly Stereo Tools
http://www.kellyindustries.com/stereo_tools.html
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| Re: How to get Subtle Stereo Vocals [message #94237 is a reply to message #94232] |
Tue, 01 January 2008 11:10  |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>John, I havn't listened to the example yet, but a lot of guys use a trick
>with the eventide harmonizer where you pitch one side up a few cents and
>delay it about 16 ms, then pitch the other side down a few cents and delay
>it about 30 ms. Use as an effect bus, just enough that you don't really
hear
>it, but you notice when it goes away.
Yep, i used to do this with an SPX-90... not as high-fidelity
as the Eventide, but I used to just go 3 cents up on the left &
3 cents down on the right, no delay (the SPX kinda seemed to
impart a very slight delay anyway.
Nowadays, with unlimited tracks, I just ask the singer to
double & triple, then pan those L&R & blend as needed... nudge
if you want a slight delay, chop it up into differently-
effected tracks/segments for each part of the song. Much more
versatile these days.
Neil
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| Re: How to get Subtle Stereo Vocals [message #94242 is a reply to message #94241] |
Tue, 01 January 2008 14:28 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>I like neils idea about just asking the singer to do multi takes and pan
>those to taste. natural chorusing will sound better too.
>unless its a thin mix you might create more problems than its worth.
Even if it's a sparse mix or arrangement (I don't want to
use "thin", since that kind of implies a bad mix, rather than a
sparse arrangement, which is simply a matter of the way the
song is written & performed), doubling doesn't have to create a
problem... you can bring the levels of the doubled/tripled
tracks up so they're barely perceptible, for example. If the
singer's not up to doublng, you can clone the track twice & use
Autotune on one side & Melodyne on the other (if you have both)
since they sound different... you can Melodyne pitch-correct
only a few words here & there & simply change the formant on
others. Biggest problem with cloning is that I notice flanging
right away, so you have to kinda split the cloned track in key
places & nudge around a bit. You can also throw the
cloned/panned tracks into a much longer reverb than the lead
vox, so you have this subtle tail going on that has a whole
different character (due to the 'verb itself being different
AND having the differently-treated cloned tracks sent to it)
than your main ambience.... heck, send 'em pre-fader & leave
the faders on the cloned channels all the way down if you
want... there's a bajillion cool things you can toy with!
Anyway, that kinda gets back to suggestions that John wasn't
really looking for, so i'll just leave it at that & reiterate
that I think it's just the reverb, with regard to those clips.
Neil
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