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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94727 is a reply to message #94725] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 12:34   |
TCB
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I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put Debian
and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs aren't
too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the chute.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>
>It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
>heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>
>Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
>wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>
>No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>
>I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94728 is a reply to message #94725] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 11:32 |
Dedric Terry
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Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz version
and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state for
now.
In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid state
laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
Christmas)
I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed and
really nice additional apps!
Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before seeing
the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy and dl the new
major update.
Dedric
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
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> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit slower
> CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>
> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>
> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>
> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I guess
> they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much like they
> did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>
> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track pad!
> Hope it doesn't take months...
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94729 is a reply to message #94728] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 11:41 |
Jamie K
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
Yeah, bummer! But it'll happen. I can wait but hopefully it won't be too
long. I'd also like to see them make the hard drive user swappable so I
can easily add a solid state drive when the prices come down.
> Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz
> version
> and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
> has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state for
> now.
> In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid
> state laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
Yep. Or it'll all be wireless into our brains, no touchscreen needed. :^)
> Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
> Christmas)
> I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed and
> really nice additional apps!
> Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
Yeah, and notes, too. The Touch is starting to look like a useful little
device. Should my Psion start getting nervous?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before
> seeing the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy and
> dl the new major update.
>
> Dedric
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
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>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>
>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>
>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>
>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>
>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94730 is a reply to message #94727] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 11:48 |
Jamie K
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TCB wrote:
> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put Debian
> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs aren't
> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the chute.
HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>
>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>
>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>
>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>
>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94731 is a reply to message #94729] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 12:11 |
Dedric Terry
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Well, the update toasted my iPod Touch -- minor oversight on Apple's part:
Vista loses the iPod driver when iTunes tries to start the update process
and can't recover it/find it. It's toasted now - no OS - just keeps looking
for a recovery boot (there is no CDRom
to boot from). I'm off to CompUSA to hope they can fix it, otherwise, it's
dead and going back to Apple,
with a request for some freebies for this pos design.
On one of my WinXP PCs, it just bluescreens when trying to update the iPod
Touch. On the other, there is no driver for it
to find, and with no boot CD, it's history.
This laptop has pissed me off for the last time. It's getting reformated
with XP, or put on eBay. I'll probably
have to reload all of my CDs onto the iPod now....
Guess this is Apple's (yet again) way of crippling their software on PCs to
force people to buy Macs. What a joke.
Dedric
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0fdc@linux...
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
>
> Yeah, bummer! But it'll happen. I can wait but hopefully it won't be too
> long. I'd also like to see them make the hard drive user swappable so I
> can easily add a solid state drive when the prices come down.
>
>
>> Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz
>> version
>> and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
>> has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state for
>> now.
>> In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid state
>> laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
>
> Yep. Or it'll all be wireless into our brains, no touchscreen needed. :^)
>
>
>> Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
>> Christmas)
>> I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed and
>> really nice additional apps!
>> Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
>
> Yeah, and notes, too. The Touch is starting to look like a useful little
> device. Should my Psion start getting nervous?
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before
>> seeing the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy and
>> dl the new major update.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
>>>
>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>
>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>
>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>
>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>
>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94732 is a reply to message #94731] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 12:31 |
Jamie K
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Yikes! Good luck bringing the dead back to life!
My Psion just reminded me that it already has a solid state drive (16mb
internal plus compact flash that's currently at 128mb); that it has a
real keyboard and a touch screen; and that it doesn't blow up. But then
I asked where are its updates, wireless web browsing, and music and
movie playing. Then it said OK, right, fine, but it can record audio,
and the Psion calendar has a full year view.
So based that conversation, and your experience with the Touch update,
my Psion is safe...for now.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Well, the update toasted my iPod Touch -- minor oversight on Apple's
> part: Vista loses the iPod driver when iTunes tries to start the update
> process and can't recover it/find it. It's toasted now - no OS - just
> keeps looking for a recovery boot (there is no CDRom
> to boot from). I'm off to CompUSA to hope they can fix it, otherwise,
> it's dead and going back to Apple,
> with a request for some freebies for this pos design.
>
> On one of my WinXP PCs, it just bluescreens when trying to update the
> iPod Touch. On the other, there is no driver for it
> to find, and with no boot CD, it's history.
>
> This laptop has pissed me off for the last time. It's getting
> reformated with XP, or put on eBay. I'll probably
> have to reload all of my CDs onto the iPod now....
>
> Guess this is Apple's (yet again) way of crippling their software on PCs
> to force people to buy Macs. What a joke.
>
> Dedric
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0fdc@linux...
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
>>
>> Yeah, bummer! But it'll happen. I can wait but hopefully it won't be
>> too long. I'd also like to see them make the hard drive user swappable
>> so I can easily add a solid state drive when the prices come down.
>>
>>
>>> Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz
>>> version
>>> and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
>>> has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state
>>> for now.
>>> In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid
>>> state laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
>>
>> Yep. Or it'll all be wireless into our brains, no touchscreen needed. :^)
>>
>>
>>> Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
>>> Christmas)
>>> I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed
>>> and really nice additional apps!
>>> Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
>>
>> Yeah, and notes, too. The Touch is starting to look like a useful
>> little device. Should my Psion start getting nervous?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before
>>> seeing the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy
>>> and dl the new major update.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
>>>>
>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>
>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>> a heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>
>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>> a wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>
>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>>> much like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>>> fanfare.
>>>>
>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>> for more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>> track pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94734 is a reply to message #94730] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:26 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also SSD
drives are just way to expensive now.
I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying batteries/cracking
cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one a
serious look.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
Debian
>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs
aren't
>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the chute.
>
>HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>
>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need a
>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>
>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals, a
>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>
>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>
>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94736 is a reply to message #94732] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 13:21 |
Dedric Terry
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Yikes squared. Apparently there is a bug either in the update process,
or it's Vista integration. No PC could find a driver for it to restore it.
I had to take it home and restore on our Mac. At first iTunes couldn't
find/connect to the backup/restore server (here's where I was really getting
angry). After about a dozen tries it finally found it.
It's reloading my songs now... so I'm back to work and let it do its' thing
alone, in the punishing loneliness of a computer desk - fitting punishment,
imho. The new apps will have to wait for another day - I'm also grounding
it for a week, and limiting it's YouTube privileges as well.
Really frustrating. Yep, your Psion is safe.
Dedric
On 1/15/08 1:31 PM, in article 478d1bbc@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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> Yikes! Good luck bringing the dead back to life!
>
> My Psion just reminded me that it already has a solid state drive (16mb
> internal plus compact flash that's currently at 128mb); that it has a
> real keyboard and a touch screen; and that it doesn't blow up. But then
> I asked where are its updates, wireless web browsing, and music and
> movie playing. Then it said OK, right, fine, but it can record audio,
> and the Psion calendar has a full year view.
>
> So based that conversation, and your experience with the Touch update,
> my Psion is safe...for now.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Well, the update toasted my iPod Touch -- minor oversight on Apple's
>> part: Vista loses the iPod driver when iTunes tries to start the update
>> process and can't recover it/find it. It's toasted now - no OS - just
>> keeps looking for a recovery boot (there is no CDRom
>> to boot from). I'm off to CompUSA to hope they can fix it, otherwise,
>> it's dead and going back to Apple,
>> with a request for some freebies for this pos design.
>>
>> On one of my WinXP PCs, it just bluescreens when trying to update the
>> iPod Touch. On the other, there is no driver for it
>> to find, and with no boot CD, it's history.
>>
>> This laptop has pissed me off for the last time. It's getting
>> reformated with XP, or put on eBay. I'll probably
>> have to reload all of my CDs onto the iPod now....
>>
>> Guess this is Apple's (yet again) way of crippling their software on PCs
>> to force people to buy Macs. What a joke.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0fdc@linux...
>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
>>>
>>> Yeah, bummer! But it'll happen. I can wait but hopefully it won't be
>>> too long. I'd also like to see them make the hard drive user swappable
>>> so I can easily add a solid state drive when the prices come down.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz
>>>> version
>>>> and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
>>>> has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state
>>>> for now.
>>>> In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid
>>>> state laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
>>>
>>> Yep. Or it'll all be wireless into our brains, no touchscreen needed. :^)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
>>>> Christmas)
>>>> I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed
>>>> and really nice additional apps!
>>>> Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
>>>
>>> Yeah, and notes, too. The Touch is starting to look like a useful
>>> little device. Should my Psion start getting nervous?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before
>>>> seeing the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy
>>>> and dl the new major update.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>>> a heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>> a wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>
>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>>>> much like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>> for more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>> track pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94737 is a reply to message #94734] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:36 |
TCB
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Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my office
to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
TCB
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
SSD
>drives are just way to expensive now.
>
>I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying batteries/cracking
>cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one
a
>serious look.
>
>TCB
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>TCB wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
>Debian
>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs
>aren't
>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the chute.
>>
>>HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>
>>option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>>bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>
>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
a
>
>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>
>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
a
>
>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>
>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>
>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>
>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>
>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset for
>
>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>
>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94738 is a reply to message #94737] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:56 |
excelav
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And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin enough
to slice bread. What a joke!
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my office
>to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>
>TCB
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>SSD
>>drives are just way to expensive now.
>>
>>I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying batteries/cracking
>>cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one
>a
>>serious look.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
>>Debian
>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs
>>aren't
>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
chute.
>>>
>>>HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>>
>>>option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>>support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>>switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>>>bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>a
>>
>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>a
>>
>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>
>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
I
>>
>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>
>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
for
>>
>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>
>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94743 is a reply to message #94738] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:05 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
right now.
However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting to
me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use the
external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
with the laptop. Hmm.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin enough
> to slice bread. What a joke!
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my office
>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>> SSD
>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>
>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying batteries/cracking
>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one
>> a
>>> serious look.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
>>> Debian
>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware specs
>>> aren't
>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
> chute.
>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>
>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>
>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>
>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>> a
>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>> a
>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
> I
>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
> for
>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94744 is a reply to message #94736] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:07 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Glad it came back to life! Grounding is fitting punishment, and I'd cut
off its allowance, too!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Yikes squared. Apparently there is a bug either in the update process,
> or it's Vista integration. No PC could find a driver for it to restore it.
> I had to take it home and restore on our Mac. At first iTunes couldn't
> find/connect to the backup/restore server (here's where I was really getting
> angry). After about a dozen tries it finally found it.
>
> It's reloading my songs now... so I'm back to work and let it do its' thing
> alone, in the punishing loneliness of a computer desk - fitting punishment,
> imho. The new apps will have to wait for another day - I'm also grounding
> it for a week, and limiting it's YouTube privileges as well.
>
> Really frustrating. Yep, your Psion is safe.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 1/15/08 1:31 PM, in article 478d1bbc@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> Yikes! Good luck bringing the dead back to life!
>>
>> My Psion just reminded me that it already has a solid state drive (16mb
>> internal plus compact flash that's currently at 128mb); that it has a
>> real keyboard and a touch screen; and that it doesn't blow up. But then
>> I asked where are its updates, wireless web browsing, and music and
>> movie playing. Then it said OK, right, fine, but it can record audio,
>> and the Psion calendar has a full year view.
>>
>> So based that conversation, and your experience with the Touch update,
>> my Psion is safe...for now.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Well, the update toasted my iPod Touch -- minor oversight on Apple's
>>> part: Vista loses the iPod driver when iTunes tries to start the update
>>> process and can't recover it/find it. It's toasted now - no OS - just
>>> keeps looking for a recovery boot (there is no CDRom
>>> to boot from). I'm off to CompUSA to hope they can fix it, otherwise,
>>> it's dead and going back to Apple,
>>> with a request for some freebies for this pos design.
>>>
>>> On one of my WinXP PCs, it just bluescreens when trying to update the
>>> iPod Touch. On the other, there is no driver for it
>>> to find, and with no boot CD, it's history.
>>>
>>> This laptop has pissed me off for the last time. It's getting
>>> reformated with XP, or put on eBay. I'll probably
>>> have to reload all of my CDs onto the iPod now....
>>>
>>> Guess this is Apple's (yet again) way of crippling their software on PCs
>>> to force people to buy Macs. What a joke.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0fdc@linux...
>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>> Jamie - Sorry there weren't other new laptops - maybe soon.
>>>> Yeah, bummer! But it'll happen. I can wait but hopefully it won't be
>>>> too long. I'd also like to see them make the hard drive user swappable
>>>> so I can easily add a solid state drive when the prices come down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Air looks interesting - big price difference between the PATA 1.7Ghz
>>>>> version
>>>>> and the solid state 1.8 - $1799 to $3100 - ouch. I guess solid state
>>>>> has a ways to go to be cost effective. 64G is a lot for solid state
>>>>> for now.
>>>>> In 10 years, we'll laugh at these early sizes as we buy 100TB solid
>>>>> state laptops with touchscreens for $500. ;-) lol
>>>> Yep. Or it'll all be wireless into our brains, no touchscreen needed. :^)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Getting ready to pick up the iPod Touch update (yep, got one before
>>>>> Christmas)
>>>>> I'll let you know how it is - looks like some cool and much needed
>>>>> and really nice additional apps!
>>>>> Woohoo! Email on the iPod touch!
>>>> Yeah, and notes, too. The Touch is starting to look like a useful
>>>> little device. Should my Psion start getting nervous?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Dang - started the latest minor update (165M on DSL.... zzzz) before
>>>>> seeing the new features update. It will be a while before I can buy
>>>>> and dl the new major update.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:478d0542@linux...
>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>>>> a heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>>> a wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang! I
>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>>>>> much like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>>> for more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>> track pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94745 is a reply to message #94738] |
Tue, 15 January 2008 14:57 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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No firewire? Pretty much kills it for what a film producer
friend of mine was hoping - in-field video capture.
In a few years, most laptops will have solid state drives though. Someone
had to be the guinea pig and make a first one that few people would want.
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:478d2bf6$1@linux...
>
> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin
> enough
> to slice bread. What a joke!
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>>leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
>>office
>>to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>>SSD
>>>drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>
>>>I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>batteries/cracking
>>>cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one
>>a
>>>serious look.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
>>>Debian
>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>> specs
>>>aren't
>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
> chute.
>>>>
>>>>HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>>>
>>>>option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>
>>>>support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>>>switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>
>>>>bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>
>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>a
>>>
>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>a
>>>
>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
> I
>>>
>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>>
>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
> for
>>>
>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>>
>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94758 is a reply to message #94745] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 03:27 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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it's not about functionality, it's the ultimate ipod.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:57:39 -0700, "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net>
wrote:
>No firewire? Pretty much kills it for what a film producer
>friend of mine was hoping - in-field video capture.
>
>In a few years, most laptops will have solid state drives though. Someone
>had to be the guinea pig and make a first one that few people would want.
>
>Dedric
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:478d2bf6$1@linux...
>>
>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin
>> enough
>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>>>leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
>>>office
>>>to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>>>SSD
>>>>drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>
>>>>I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>>batteries/cracking
>>>>cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give one
>>>a
>>>>serious look.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can put
>>>>Debian
>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>>> specs
>>>>aren't
>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
>> chute.
>>>>>
>>>>>HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state drive
>>>>
>>>>>option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>
>>>>>support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>>>>switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>>
>>>>>bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>
>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>> I
>>>>
>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB, much
>>>>
>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>>>
>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94765 is a reply to message #94743] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 09:26 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Jamie,
There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple didn't
include them is beyond me.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>right now.
>
>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting to
>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use the
>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>with the laptop. Hmm.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin
enough
>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
office
>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>>> SSD
>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
batteries/cracking
>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
one
>>> a
>>>> serious look.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can
put
>>>> Debian
>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
specs
>>>> aren't
>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
>> chute.
>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
drive
>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>
>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>>
>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>
>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>> a
>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>> a
>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>> I
>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
much
>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>> for
>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94767 is a reply to message #94765] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 09:47 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Senior Member |
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Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
Ted
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Jamie,
>
>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
didn't
>include them is beyond me.
>
>TCB
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>>right now.
>>
>>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting to
>
>>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use the
>
>>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>>with the laptop. Hmm.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin
>enough
>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
>office
>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
Also
>>>> SSD
>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>batteries/cracking
>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
>one
>>>> a
>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can
>put
>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>specs
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
>>> chute.
>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>drive
>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>>
>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
to
>
>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
the
>>>
>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>
>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>>> I
>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>much
>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>> for
>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
track
>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94768 is a reply to message #94767] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 09:48 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Senior Member |
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Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>
> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>
>I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>
>Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>
>Ted
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Jamie,
>>
>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>didn't
>>include them is beyond me.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>
>>>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>>>right now.
>>>
>>>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting to
>>
>>>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>>>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use the
>>
>>>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>>>with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's
thin
>>enough
>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job
Apple,
>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
>>office
>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>Also
>>>>> SSD
>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>batteries/cracking
>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
>>one
>>>>> a
>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can
>>put
>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>specs
>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of
the
>>>> chute.
>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>>drive
>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>>>
>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
>to
>>
>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
>the
>>>>
>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A
bit
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I
need
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>much
>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>track
>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94769 is a reply to message #94768] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 10:13 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one fw port
should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why they
chose to exclude it.
TCB
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>
>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>
>>I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>
>>Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Jamie,
>>>
>>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>>didn't
>>>include them is beyond me.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>>
>>>>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>>>>right now.
>>>>
>>>>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
to
>>>
>>>>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>>>>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use
the
>>>
>>>>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>
>>>>with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's
>thin
>>>enough
>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job
>Apple,
>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in
my
>>>office
>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>Also
>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>batteries/cracking
>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
>>>one
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I
can
>>>put
>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>specs
>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of
>the
>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>>>drive
>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
>>to
>>>
>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A
>bit
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I
>need
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>>much
>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>track
>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94770 is a reply to message #94769] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 10:47 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Senior Member |
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I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends are
dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore have
a leg up
on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were the
first
to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their rationale,
FWIW.
Ted
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one fw
port
>should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why they
>chose to exclude it.
>
>TCB
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>>
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>
>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>
>>>I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>
>>>Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Jamie,
>>>>
>>>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>>>didn't
>>>>include them is beyond me.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>>>
>>>>>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>
>>>>>right now.
>>>>>
>>>>>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>to
>>>>
>>>>>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>>>>>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use
>the
>>>>
>>>>>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>>
>>>>>with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's
>>thin
>>>>enough
>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job
>>Apple,
>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in
>my
>>>>office
>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>>Also
>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>>batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
>>>>one
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I
>can
>>>>put
>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>specs
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of
>>the
>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
should
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
A
>>bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now
I
>>need
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet.
Dang!
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
>>>>much
>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>track
>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94771 is a reply to message #94765] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 09:42 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
TCB wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple didn't
> include them is beyond me.
It looks to me like the design philosophy was "do everything you can to
make it thinner." Clearly they wanted the bragging rights of having "The
Worlds Thinnest Notebook" as they currently trumpet on their web site.
It's a faster subnotebook than Sony's, too, and less expensive
apparently. So in that market, this little beauty should make a splash.
To get there, the battery is not user-removable (like iPods). There are
minimal i/o ports. No expansion port. The CPU is a special sized-reduced
model from Intel. Etc.
However, I just read that you CAN get ethernet from Apple via a USB to
ethernet adapter for like $30. If that helps.
In the end it's just another choice. When evaluating the available Apple
laptop options, it's apparent that the regular MacBook is very
comparable to the Air. The regular Macbook is almost identical in
features with only slightly more weight, but with all the i/o ports, a
faster CPU, user replacable battery, user replaceable hard drive, and
lower cost. If I were you, assuming that the Air is sufficient for your
needs except for the missing i/o, I'd get a MacBook.
The MacBook Pro is also pretty much the same thing but with an expansion
port, faster graphics, and higher res screen choices. If I were me, and
I am, I'd get that. :^) Primarily to cover the video/graphics/animation
stuff I do - the audio stuff would be fine on a regular MacBook.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>> right now.
>>
>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting to
>
>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use the
>
>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need it
>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's thin
> enough
>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job Apple,
>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in my
> office
>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive. Also
>>>> SSD
>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
> batteries/cracking
>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll give
> one
>>>> a
>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If I can
> put
>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
> specs
>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out of the
>>> chute.
>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
> drive
>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp should
>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want to
>
>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than the
>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive. A bit
>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now I need
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet. Dang!
>>> I
>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and NAB,
> much
>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or fanfare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>> for
>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch track
>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94773 is a reply to message #94770] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 11:31 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
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I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet jack,
and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers on
the machine? What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need to
transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just isn't
as secure as a wire.
TCB
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends are
>dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>
>Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
have
>a leg up
>on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were the
>first
>to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>
>Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their rationale,
>FWIW.
>
>Ted
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one fw
>port
>>should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why they
>>chose to exclude it.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>
>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>
>>>>Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be
considered
>>>>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>>>>didn't
>>>>>include them is beyond me.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>>>>
>>>>>>for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>>
>>>>>>right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>
>>>>>>laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need
it
>>>
>>>>>>with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's
>>>thin
>>>>>enough
>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job
>>>Apple,
>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in
>>my
>>>>>office
>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>>>Also
>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>>>batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
give
>>>>>one
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If
I
>>can
>>>>>put
>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>>specs
>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out
of
>>>the
>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>should
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>A
>>>bit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now
>I
>>>need
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet.
>Dang!
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and
NAB,
>>>>>much
>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>track
>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94774 is a reply to message #94773] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 10:25 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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|
TCB wrote:
> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet jack,
> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave off
anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers on
> the machine?
The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need to
> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just isn't
> as secure as a wire.
True.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends are
>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>
>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
> have
>> a leg up
>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were the
>> first
>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>
>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their rationale,
>> FWIW.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one fw
>> port
>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why they
>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be
> considered
>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff. Great
>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I need
>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>> to
>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook Pro
>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And use
>>> the
>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need
> it
>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey it's
>>>> thin
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice job
>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it in
>>> my
>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual dying
>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
> give
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If
> I
>>> can
>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out
> of
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid state
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you want
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower than
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>> A
>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now
>> I
>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie rentals,
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet.
>> Dang!
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and
> NAB,
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice or
>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and chipset
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94775 is a reply to message #94774] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 12:08 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
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|
You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just blew
out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or plug
in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen drive
and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.' Busy
people traveling don't want to hear that.
I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad computer
design. It's asking for trouble.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
jack,
>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>
>I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>
>But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave off
>anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>
>
>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
on
>> the machine?
>
>The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>
>
>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>
>The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>
>
>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
to
>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just isn't
>> as secure as a wire.
>
>True.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends are
>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>
>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>> have
>>> a leg up
>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were
the
>>> first
>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
rationale,
>>> FWIW.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one
fw
>>> port
>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
they
>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
be
>> considered
>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
apple
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
Great
>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I
need
>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
Pro
>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
use
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need
>> it
>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
it's
>>>>> thin
>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
job
>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it
in
>>>> my
>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
dying
>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
>> give
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If
>> I
>>>> can
>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out
>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
state
>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
than
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>>> A
>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now
>>> I
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
rentals,
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet.
>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and
>> NAB,
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
or
>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
chipset
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94776 is a reply to message #94775] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 11:17 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
TCB wrote:
> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just blew
> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or plug
> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen drive
> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.' Busy
> people traveling don't want to hear that.
I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad computer
> design. It's asking for trouble.
It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> TCB wrote:
>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
> jack,
>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>
>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>
>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave off
>
>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>>
>>
>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
> on
>>> the machine?
>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>
>>
>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>
>>
>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
> to
>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just isn't
>>> as secure as a wire.
>> True.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends are
>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>
>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>>> have
>>>> a leg up
>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were
> the
>>>> first
>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>
>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
> rationale,
>>>> FWIW.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least one
> fw
>>>> port
>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
> they
>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs simultaneously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
> be
>>> considered
>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
> apple
>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
> Great
>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what I
> need
>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
> Pro
>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
> use
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd need
>>> it
>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
> it's
>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
> job
>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use it
> in
>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB drive.
>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
> dying
>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
>>> give
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this. If
>>> I
>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the hardware
>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues out
>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
> state
>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
> than
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>>>> A
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right now
>>>> I
>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for) yet.
>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now and
>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
> or
>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
> chipset
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94777 is a reply to message #94776] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 13:53 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
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I'm saying it's a massive design flaw, whether I'm using it or anyone else.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
blew
>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
plug
>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
drive
>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
Busy
>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>
>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>
>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>
>
>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad computer
>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>
>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
>> jack,
>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>>
>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>
>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
off
>>
>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>> on
>>>> the machine?
>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
>> to
>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
isn't
>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>> True.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
are
>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>>>> have
>>>>> a leg up
>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were
>> the
>>>>> first
>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>> rationale,
>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
one
>> fw
>>>>> port
>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
>> they
>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
simultaneously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
>> be
>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
>> apple
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>> Great
>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
I
>> need
>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
>> use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
need
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
>> it's
>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
>> job
>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
it
>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an
office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
drive.
>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>> dying
>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
If
>>>> I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
hardware
>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
out
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>> state
>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
>> want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>> than
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>>>>> A
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
now
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
yet.
>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
and
>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>> or
>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94778 is a reply to message #94776] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 14:00 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
MacBook air, wow! Yawn!
I'm with Thad, this was a dumb oversight on Apple's part. In May they will
do updates to the MacBook line, I just hope they don't discontinue the MacBook.
I cant see paying a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better deal.
Apple, give the people what they want!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>TCB wrote:
>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
blew
>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
plug
>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
drive
>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
Busy
>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>
>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>
>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>
>
>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad computer
>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>
>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
>> jack,
>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>>
>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>
>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
off
>>
>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>> on
>>>> the machine?
>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>
>>>
>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>
>>>
>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
>> to
>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
isn't
>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>> True.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
are
>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>>>> have
>>>>> a leg up
>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were
>> the
>>>>> first
>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>> rationale,
>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
one
>> fw
>>>>> port
>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
>> they
>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
simultaneously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
>> be
>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
>> apple
>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>> Great
>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
I
>> need
>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
>> use
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
need
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
>> it's
>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
>> job
>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
it
>> in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an
office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
drive.
>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>> dying
>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
If
>>>> I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
hardware
>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
out
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>> state
>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
>> want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>> than
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>>>>> A
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
now
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
yet.
>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
and
>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>> or
>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94779 is a reply to message #94777] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 12:53 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Yep indeed, a massive design flaw. For you, me and everyone else.
Except for those who don't need built-in ethernet or firewire and can
live with USB-only (or USB adapted to ethernet). IOW, not you and me.
Apple is gambling that the market for such an aggressively size-reduced
laptop is there.
And anyway, they already make a laptop that does what I need - I'm just
waiting for a refresh to pick up a few desired features (and I hope it
doesn't take months). Apple probably already makes a laptop that does
what you need. So neither of us really need this new, super light one
that we're criticizing.
Strangely enough, though, others are buying the MacBook Air and are even
excited about it. Go figure. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> I'm saying it's a massive design flaw, whether I'm using it or anyone else.
>
>
> TCB
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> TCB wrote:
>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
> blew
>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
> plug
>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
> drive
>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
> Busy
>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>> I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>
>> If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>
>> think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>> have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>
>>
>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad computer
>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>> It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
>>> jack,
>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>
>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
> off
>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>>> on
>>>>> the machine?
>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
>>> to
>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
> isn't
>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
> are
>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>>>>> have
>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they were
>>> the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>>> rationale,
>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
> one
>>> fw
>>>>>> port
>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
>>> they
>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
>>> be
>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
>>> apple
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
> I
>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
>>> use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
> need
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
>>> it's
>>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
>>> job
>>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
> it
>>> in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an
> office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
> drive.
>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>>> dying
>>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has I'll
>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
> If
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
> hardware
>>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
> out
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>>> state
>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>>> than
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state drive.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
> now
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
> yet.
>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
> and
>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>>> or
>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94780 is a reply to message #94779] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 14:19 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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I could live with the Ethernet adapter, but no FW port? They unnecessarily
narrowed there market with that one. A lot of AV people would have bought
it. I'm sure they will come out with a FW version someday when sales sag.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Yep indeed, a massive design flaw. For you, me and everyone else.
>
>Except for those who don't need built-in ethernet or firewire and can
>live with USB-only (or USB adapted to ethernet). IOW, not you and me.
>
>Apple is gambling that the market for such an aggressively size-reduced
>laptop is there.
>
>And anyway, they already make a laptop that does what I need - I'm just
>waiting for a refresh to pick up a few desired features (and I hope it
>doesn't take months). Apple probably already makes a laptop that does
>what you need. So neither of us really need this new, super light one
>that we're criticizing.
>
>Strangely enough, though, others are buying the MacBook Air and are even
>excited about it. Go figure. :^)
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> I'm saying it's a massive design flaw, whether I'm using it or anyone
else.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
>> blew
>>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
>> plug
>>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them through
>>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
>> drive
>>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
>> Busy
>>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>> I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>>
>>> If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>>
>>> think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>> have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength,
but
>>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
computer
>>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>> It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an ethernet
>>>> jack,
>>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW doesn't
>>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
>> off
>>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and thinness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>>>> on
>>>>>> the machine?
>>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you
need
>>>> to
>>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
>> isn't
>>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
>> are
>>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and therefore
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they
were
>>>> the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>>>> rationale,
>>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
>> one
>>>> fw
>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue
why
>>>> they
>>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
>> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for
$20.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should
not
>>>> be
>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days.
Why
>>>> apple
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
>> I
>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is interesting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful.
And
>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
>> need
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But
hey
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet.
Nice
>>>> job
>>>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
>> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly
an
>> office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>>>> dying
>>>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has
I'll
>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
>> If
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
>> out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP, bootcamp
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if
you
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state
drive.
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
>> now
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
>> yet.
>>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
>> and
>>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU
and
>>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a multitouch
>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
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| Re: ...to be Slim is Design [message #94781 is a reply to message #94778] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 13:07 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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We seem to be headed towards a wireless world, so Air isn't too far off of
that
mark. Probably find a niche with post gen-x business travelers that live on
wifi and
thumb drives.
Not the solution audio and video people would want, but like Jamie said,
we still have other laptops for that - just not ones thin enough to
accidentally
bend in half, or send with a fax... ;-)
Imho, connectivity needs a little update - perhaps a snap locked fiber port
with 10+ G/s speeds. 1394 is too loose of a connection design, and 1394c and
faster are no
where to be seen yet (not to mention that most laptops use the smaller
unpowered 1394 port).
USB is too slow to the be the defacto data port on laptops, even though it
is.
Fine for smaller or low bandwidth devices, but too slow for data backup of
any size.
My .02.
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:478e7056$1@linux...
>
> MacBook air, wow! Yawn!
>
> I'm with Thad, this was a dumb oversight on Apple's part. In May they
> will
> do updates to the MacBook line, I just hope they don't discontinue the
> MacBook.
> I cant see paying a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
> Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
> great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better
> deal.
>
> Apple, give the people what they want!
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>TCB wrote:
>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
> blew
>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
> plug
>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them
>>> through
>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
> drive
>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
> Busy
>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>
>>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>
>>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>
>>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>
>>
>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength, but
>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
>>> computer
>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>
>>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an
>>>>> ethernet
>>> jack,
>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW
>>>> doesn't
>>>
>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>
>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
> off
>>>
>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and
>>>> thinness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>>> on
>>>>> the machine?
>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you need
>>> to
>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
> isn't
>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>> True.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
> are
>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and
>>>>>> therefore
>>>>> have
>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they
>>>>>> were
>>> the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>>> rationale,
>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
> one
>>> fw
>>>>>> port
>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue why
>>> they
>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for $20.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not
>>> be
>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why
>>> apple
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
> I
>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful. And
>>> use
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
> need
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But hey
>>> it's
>>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet. Nice
>>> job
>>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
> it
>>> in
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly an
> office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
> drive.
>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>>> dying
>>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
> If
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
> hardware
>>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
> out
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>>> state
>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if you
>>> want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>>> than
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
> now
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
> yet.
>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
> and
>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>>> or
>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU and
>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multitouch
>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>
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| Re: ...to be Slim is Design [message #94783 is a reply to message #94781] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 16:13 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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10 GB ethernet, using a properly configured card and switch (TCP frame size
needs tweaking, you want bigger but usually not biggest), is _obscenely_
fast. We're spec'ing out a new SAN that we picked up for the office and I
patched an extra gigabit NIC into my Debian desktop (the linux network stack
is absolutely fabulous) and set up an iSCSI mount on my desktop. Just for
kicks I dragged a 700 MB ISO image over to the SAN. It moved in under 15
seconds. A _lot_ under 15 seconds. It was so fast I thought that a symlink
was created and the file would be copied when I unmounted the drive (happens
with some linux file transfers). Nope, it was that fast.
As someone who gets calls from 'post gen-x business travelers' at all hours
of the day and night because they can't get on a wireless network in their
hotel or airport, the first thing I ask is, 'Do you have a wired connection
available? OK, try that just to be sure anything is working at all.'
I just think this is incredibly stupid. You obviously disagree, so I'll drop
it, but I seriously would have considered one had they not done this.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>We seem to be headed towards a wireless world, so Air isn't too far off
of
>that
>mark. Probably find a niche with post gen-x business travelers that live
on
>wifi and
>thumb drives.
>
>Not the solution audio and video people would want, but like Jamie said,
>we still have other laptops for that - just not ones thin enough to
>accidentally
>bend in half, or send with a fax... ;-)
>
>Imho, connectivity needs a little update - perhaps a snap locked fiber port
>with 10+ G/s speeds. 1394 is too loose of a connection design, and 1394c
and
>faster are no
>where to be seen yet (not to mention that most laptops use the smaller
>unpowered 1394 port).
>USB is too slow to the be the defacto data port on laptops, even though
it
>is.
>Fine for smaller or low bandwidth devices, but too slow for data backup
of
>any size.
>
>My .02.
>
>Dedric
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:478e7056$1@linux...
>>
>> MacBook air, wow! Yawn!
>>
>> I'm with Thad, this was a dumb oversight on Apple's part. In May they
>> will
>> do updates to the MacBook line, I just hope they don't discontinue the
>> MacBook.
>> I cant see paying a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
>> Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
>> great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better
>> deal.
>>
>> Apple, give the people what they want!
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
>> blew
>>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
>> plug
>>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them
>>>> through
>>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
>> drive
>>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell phone.'
>> Busy
>>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>>
>>>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>>
>>>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>>
>>>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength,
but
>>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
>>>> computer
>>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>>
>>>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet adapter.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an
>>>>>> ethernet
>>>> jack,
>>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>
>>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
>> off
>>>>
>>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and
>>>>> thinness.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right drivers
>>>> on
>>>>>> the machine?
>>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you
need
>>>> to
>>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
>> isn't
>>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>>> True.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
>> are
>>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and
>>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they
>>>>>>> were
>>>> the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to their
>>>> rationale,
>>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
>> one
>>>> fw
>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue
why
>>>> they
>>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
>> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for
$20.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should
not
>>>> be
>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days.
Why
>>>> apple
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that stuff.
>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
>> I
>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is
>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next MacBook
>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful.
And
>>>> use
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
>> need
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But
hey
>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet.
Nice
>>>> job
>>>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
>> it
>>>> in
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly
an
>> office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the usual
>>>> dying
>>>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
>> If
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
>> out
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the solid
>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if
you
>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think. Slower
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
>> now
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch, movie
>>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
>> yet.
>>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
>> and
>>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little notice
>>>> or
>>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU
and
>>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multitouch
>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>
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| Re: ...to be Slim is Design [message #94785 is a reply to message #94783] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 15:23 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Hey Thad - no I don't disagree with you at all - just pointing out that as
someone else said,
Air is basically a large iPod, not a fully capable laptop. I'm completely
with you - lack of firewire
takes out a significant market (it could have replaced a lot of firestore
drives with digital film/video people).
USB isn't good for any large scale data transfers, and given the drive
sizes, Apple apparently isn't
planning to sell this outside the check email and type proposals market, and
didn't think about
the people at the other end of those business travelers' data link. I can
see the problems
this would cause you considering that some of the people you deal with might
be attracted to Air.
Regards,
Dedric
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:478e8fa9$1@linux...
>
> 10 GB ethernet, using a properly configured card and switch (TCP frame
> size
> needs tweaking, you want bigger but usually not biggest), is _obscenely_
> fast. We're spec'ing out a new SAN that we picked up for the office and I
> patched an extra gigabit NIC into my Debian desktop (the linux network
> stack
> is absolutely fabulous) and set up an iSCSI mount on my desktop. Just for
> kicks I dragged a 700 MB ISO image over to the SAN. It moved in under 15
> seconds. A _lot_ under 15 seconds. It was so fast I thought that a symlink
> was created and the file would be copied when I unmounted the drive
> (happens
> with some linux file transfers). Nope, it was that fast.
>
> As someone who gets calls from 'post gen-x business travelers' at all
> hours
> of the day and night because they can't get on a wireless network in their
> hotel or airport, the first thing I ask is, 'Do you have a wired
> connection
> available? OK, try that just to be sure anything is working at all.'
>
> I just think this is incredibly stupid. You obviously disagree, so I'll
> drop
> it, but I seriously would have considered one had they not done this.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>We seem to be headed towards a wireless world, so Air isn't too far off
> of
>>that
>>mark. Probably find a niche with post gen-x business travelers that live
> on
>>wifi and
>>thumb drives.
>>
>>Not the solution audio and video people would want, but like Jamie said,
>>we still have other laptops for that - just not ones thin enough to
>>accidentally
>>bend in half, or send with a fax... ;-)
>>
>>Imho, connectivity needs a little update - perhaps a snap locked fiber
>>port
>>with 10+ G/s speeds. 1394 is too loose of a connection design, and 1394c
> and
>>faster are no
>>where to be seen yet (not to mention that most laptops use the smaller
>>unpowered 1394 port).
>>USB is too slow to the be the defacto data port on laptops, even though
> it
>>is.
>>Fine for smaller or low bandwidth devices, but too slow for data backup
> of
>>any size.
>>
>>My .02.
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:478e7056$1@linux...
>>>
>>> MacBook air, wow! Yawn!
>>>
>>> I'm with Thad, this was a dumb oversight on Apple's part. In May they
>
>>> will
>>> do updates to the MacBook line, I just hope they don't discontinue the
>
>>> MacBook.
>>> I cant see paying a $700.00 premium that is slower and can't do as much.
>>> Also the memory is soldered in, 2GB is the max. Thinner and lighter is
>>> great, but I need functionality. At $1099.00, the MacBook is a better
>
>>> deal.
>>>
>>> Apple, give the people what they want!
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> You're missing my point. Let's say I have a user in Bangalore who just
>>> blew
>>>>> out their wireless drivers. I can say, 'Go to the business center (or
>>> plug
>>>>> in in your room) and call me on your cell phone.' I can walk them
>>>>> through
>>>>> fixing their machine. WIth this Mac I'd have to say, 'Go buy a USB pen
>>> drive
>>>>> and borrow someone's laptop that works and call me on your cell
>>>>> phone.'
>>> Busy
>>>>> people traveling don't want to hear that.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you were talking about buying a laptop for yourself.
>>>>
>>>>If you're speccing a machine for someone else that you support, and you
>>>
>>>>think there's a possibility the airport capability might fail, you'd
>>>>have to include the USB ethernet adapter.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I know I think like a tech, so I'm not really on Apple's wavelength,
> but
>>>>> to me not having a secondary networking option is fundamentally bad
>
>>>>> computer
>>>>> design. It's asking for trouble.
>>>>
>>>>It has a secondary networking option: that pesky USB to ethernet
>>>>adapter.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't buy the form factor argument. It's not thinner than an
>>>>>>> ethernet
>>>>> jack,
>>>>>>> and a mini FW plug is smaller the USB, which it has.
>>>>>> I agree it would be better to have those ports. Although mini FW
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>
>>>>>> supply power so that would leave some accessories in the cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it looks like they were very strict in the design phase to leave
>>> off
>>>>>
>>>>>> anything they could in the interest of ultimate low weight and
>>>>>> thinness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if your wireless drivers break? How do you get the right
>>>>>>> drivers
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the machine?
>>>>>> The external USB DVDR drive is a $100 option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What happens if the card itself breaks, no networking possible?
>>>>>> The USB to ethernet adapter is $30.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And while WAP may be finally getting at least decent, what if you
> need
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> transfer medical records, talk to a server, and so on? Wireless just
>>> isn't
>>>>>>> as secure as a wire.
>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing they think it's needed in order to keep the size down
>>>>>>>> and keep the wow factor up (my daughter in 3rd year and her friends
>>> are
>>>>>>>> dying to get it), whilst still providing alternatives for
>>>>>>>> connect-ability so it's not a deal killer for users like us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, by doing so, they are driving the market (wireless) and
>>>>>>>> therefore
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> a leg up
>>>>>>>> on the competition by establishing tech standards. I believe they
>
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>> to drop floppy drives, use Firewire etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not saying I agree with their thinking, just speculating as to
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>> rationale,
>>>>>>>> FWIW.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My point is that it shouldn't be necessary. Ethernet and at least
>>> one
>>>>> fw
>>>>>>>> port
>>>>>>>>> should be standard on any computer at this point. I have no clue
> why
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> chose to exclude it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry - it's $29, plus the cost of a hub if you need other inputs
>>> simultaneously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a USB2 to Ethernet adaptor that Apple is supplying for
> $20.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore. woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB442Z/A#overview
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are USB to Firewire adaptors available too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adding adaptors is second best I guess...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should
> not
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> considered
>>>>>>>>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days.
> Why
>>>>> apple
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, it's a lightened sub-notebook. No room for all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>> Great
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the market they're aiming it at, presumably. But not what
>>> I
>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However the Air's optional external USB optical drive is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. Maybe I could take the internal DVDR out of my next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacBook
>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop and put in a second hard drive, that would be useful.
> And
>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> external DVDR that was just announced today for few times I'd
>>> need
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the laptop. Hmm.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they left out FireWire. WTF are they thinking??? But
> hey
>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> thin
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to slice bread. What a joke!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind, I take it all back, it doesn't have ethernet.
> Nice
>>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>> Apple,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave out a ten cent part on an $1800 laptop so I can't use
>>> it
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to talk to my servers securely over a wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Drive space isn't much of an issue, this would be mostly
> an
>>> office/travel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop, my music laptop is already tricked out with a 250GB
>>> drive.
>>>>>>>>>>> Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives are just way to expensive now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll keep an eye on this. If they don't have any of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usual
>>>>> dying
>>>>>>>>>>>> batteries/cracking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases problems that a lot of first gen Apple hardware has
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> serious look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for a new portable, and saw the hype on this.
>>> If
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Debian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and XP on it I'd be sincerely interested, as long as the
>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>> specs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too horrible and they don't have massive hardware issues
>>> out
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chute.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD is only 80GB (or 64GB if you want to spring for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solid
>>>>> state
>>>>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option). If that's enough space to add Debial and XP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bootcamp
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support 'em. Or use one of the virtual machine setups if
> you
>>>>> want
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> switch between OSs on the fly. CPU is 1.8GHZ I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slower
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger/heavier laptops but still very capable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New thin MacBook Air just announced. www.Apple.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The track pad is multitouch now. Optional solid state
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower CPU than the other MacBooks but not bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It looks pretty cool for something that light. But right
>>> now
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy lifter 17" HD res box, so it's not for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also at MacWorld: Software updates to iPhone/iTouch,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movie
>>>>> rentals,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wireless backup system, and an iTV update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No refresh for the other laptops (what I'm waiting for)
>>> yet.
>>>>>>>> Dang!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess they'll sneak that update in sometime between now
>>> and
>>>>>>> NAB,
>>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like they did with the MacPro last week with little
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notice
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> fanfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm expecting LED backlighting on the 17", updated CPU
> and
>>>>> chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more speed and battery life, and now I'm expecting a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multitouch
>>>>>>>>>>> track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pad! Hope it doesn't take months...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94795 is a reply to message #94765] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 19:30 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Jamie,
>
>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple didn't
>include them is beyond me.
>
Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
video.
But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
pab
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94797 is a reply to message #94795] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 20:10 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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For some reason S3200 has been painfully slow to come to fruition, as was
FW800. Maybe Apple sees the end of the road for 1394, or just a lack of
consumer adoption (non-A/V world) - it may be a bandwidth limited design.
And with 3G SATA, it's hardly a competitor for large data storage at 800Mb/s
max currently, but certainly far better than USB2. I wouldn't be surprised
to see another format emerge with much greater capacity.
I also think the connector format is way too loose for high speed, high risk
reliability. And, firewire/1394 is far too susceptible to destroying ports
during hot swapping, though it's supposed to be hot swappable.
Neither USB or firewire is a long term high speed data transfer solution,
imho - just two more incremental stops along the way. Might take someone
besides Apple to come out with a faster solution (other than Ethernet).
Dedric
On 1/16/08 8:30 PM, in article hfito318eg5bomg413oafvcmqj4djlvdjm@4ax.com,
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jamie,
>>
>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be
>> considered
>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>> didn't
>> include them is beyond me.
>>
>
> Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
> with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>
> It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
> superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
> video.
>
> But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
> they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
> don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
> have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
> only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
> Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
> Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>
> At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
> reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
> Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
> still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
> bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>
> pab
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94798 is a reply to message #94795] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 21:44 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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I was disappointed when they dumped the FW on the iPods. Most of the Macs
I own have USB 1.1 which is really slow, and doesn't work as well as FW.
They left out all the people that have external FW drives with this lap
top. There answer is for us to spend another $300 to $500, and un-securely
back up over the air. Some times they are just too whiz-bang, consumer oriented,
they need to think prosumer.
I wish Apple would stop building obsolescence in to their products. They
have put iSight cameras on the iMac and all the lap tops, why wouldn't they
put one on the iPhone and the iPods? Why not add a mic to the iPod so you
could do dictation or record lectures. I hate having to buy add on doodads.
The whole idea, is suppose to be portability. I don't want to carry more
stuff.
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Jamie,
>>
>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
didn't
>>include them is beyond me.
>>
>
>Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
>with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>
>It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
>superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
>video.
>
>But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
>they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
>don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
>have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
>only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
>Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
>Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>
>At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
>reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
>Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
>still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
>bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>
>pab
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94800 is a reply to message #94798] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 22:00 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Another indicator that this was a bad move is Apple's stock price, it's dropped
$35.00 to 40.00 a share. Hopefully they get the message.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I was disappointed when they dumped the FW on the iPods. Most of the Macs
>I own have USB 1.1 which is really slow, and doesn't work as well as FW.
> They left out all the people that have external FW drives with this lap
>top. There answer is for us to spend another $300 to $500, and un-securely
>back up over the air. Some times they are just too whiz-bang, consumer
oriented,
>they need to think prosumer.
>
>I wish Apple would stop building obsolescence in to their products. They
>have put iSight cameras on the iMac and all the lap tops, why wouldn't they
>put one on the iPhone and the iPods? Why not add a mic to the iPod so you
>could do dictation or record lectures. I hate having to buy add on doodads.
> The whole idea, is suppose to be portability. I don't want to carry more
>stuff.
>
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Jamie,
>>>
>>>There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>>luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>didn't
>>>include them is beyond me.
>>>
>>
>>Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
>>with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>>
>>It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
>>superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
>>video.
>>
>>But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
>>they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
>>don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
>>have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
>>only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
>>Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
>>Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>>
>>At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
>>reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
>>Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
>>still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
>>bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>>
>>pab
>
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94803 is a reply to message #94800] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 22:06 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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James McCloskey wrote:
> Another indicator that this was a bad move is Apple's stock price, it's dropped
> $35.00 to 40.00 a share. Hopefully they get the message.
Yep. But the Dow is down, too. The Fed does not seem optimistic:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwHbki86OAoUhqDveb6JLDol_ 4-gD8U78C780
"Separately on Wednesday, more big banks reported losses and said people
were having trouble making payments for everything from credit cards to
cars. Stocks were mostly down for the day, the Dow Jones industrial
average declining 34.95 points, or 0.28 percent."
And here's a story about typical post keynote Apple stock performance
patterns:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2008/tc200 80116_282937.htm?chan=technology_technology+index+page_top+s tories
So is there a clear message in Apple's stock price? Dunno. Interesting
stuff, though.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I was disappointed when they dumped the FW on the iPods. Most of the Macs
>> I own have USB 1.1 which is really slow, and doesn't work as well as FW.
>> They left out all the people that have external FW drives with this lap
>> top. There answer is for us to spend another $300 to $500, and un-securely
>> back up over the air. Some times they are just too whiz-bang, consumer
> oriented,
>> they need to think prosumer.
>>
>> I wish Apple would stop building obsolescence in to their products. They
>> have put iSight cameras on the iMac and all the lap tops, why wouldn't they
>> put one on the iPhone and the iPods? Why not add a mic to the iPod so you
>> could do dictation or record lectures. I hate having to buy add on doodads.
>> The whole idea, is suppose to be portability. I don't want to carry more
>> stuff.
>>
>> Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>> On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be considered
>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>> didn't
>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>
>>> Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
>>> with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>>>
>>> It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
>>> superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
>>> video.
>>>
>>> But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
>>> they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
>>> don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
>>> have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
>>> only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
>>> Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
>>> Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>>>
>>> At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
>>> reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
>>> Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
>>> still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
>>> bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>>>
>>> pab
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| Re: To Air is Human [message #94804 is a reply to message #94803] |
Wed, 16 January 2008 22:13 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Citicorp posted a $10B loss last quarter with layoffs in the works - the
biggest loss in their 196 year history (196?... guess so).
They are in trouble, but will still probably recover. That alone
and a the inflation report has Wall Street scrambling. Apple
is probably just a casualty since nothing they could introduce, other than
an economic injector device could reverse that. ;-)
On 1/16/08 11:06 PM, in article 478ef3ff@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> James McCloskey wrote:
>> Another indicator that this was a bad move is Apple's stock price, it's
>> dropped
>> $35.00 to 40.00 a share. Hopefully they get the message.
>
> Yep. But the Dow is down, too. The Fed does not seem optimistic:
>
> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hwHbki86OAoUhqDveb6JLDol_ 4-gD8U78C780
>
> "Separately on Wednesday, more big banks reported losses and said people
> were having trouble making payments for everything from credit cards to
> cars. Stocks were mostly down for the day, the Dow Jones industrial
> average declining 34.95 points, or 0.28 percent."
>
>
> And here's a story about typical post keynote Apple stock performance
> patterns:
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2008/tc200 80116_282937.htm?c
> han=technology_technology+index+page_top+stories
>
> So is there a clear message in Apple's stock price? Dunno. Interesting
> stuff, though.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I was disappointed when they dumped the FW on the iPods. Most of the Macs
>>> I own have USB 1.1 which is really slow, and doesn't work as well as FW.
>>> They left out all the people that have external FW drives with this lap
>>> top. There answer is for us to spend another $300 to $500, and un-securely
>>> back up over the air. Some times they are just too whiz-bang, consumer
>> oriented,
>>> they need to think prosumer.
>>>
>>> I wish Apple would stop building obsolescence in to their products. They
>>> have put iSight cameras on the iMac and all the lap tops, why wouldn't they
>>> put one on the iPhone and the iPods? Why not add a mic to the iPod so you
>>> could do dictation or record lectures. I hate having to buy add on doodads.
>>> The whole idea, is suppose to be portability. I don't want to carry more
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>> On 17 Jan 2008 03:26:37 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>> There's plenty of room for FW and ethernet, and those should not be
>>>>> considered
>>>>> luxury items. They're necessities on any computer these days. Why apple
>>> didn't
>>>>> include them is beyond me.
>>>>>
>>>> Apple has been moving away from Firewire for several years, starting
>>>> with dropping it from the iPod generation right after mine.
>>>>
>>>> It pisses me off, since they INVENTED the damn format. And it's
>>>> superiror to USB2 for large data transfers, especially lin audio and
>>>> video.
>>>>
>>>> But in their desperation to capture the PC market, I truly believe
>>>> they "dumbed down" the iPod and other devices to USB2 since most pc's
>>>> don't have firewire, and do have USB. So, the rest of us faithful who
>>>> have been using firewire for years get screwed because Joe Average
>>>> only has USB. And it also kinda pisses me off that most people think
>>>> Microsoft and Intel invented the whole USB concept, when Apple had the
>>>> Apple Desktop Bus since the IIgs model.
>>>>
>>>> At least the pro Macs still have firewire. But that was one of the
>>>> reasons I bought my iPod Photo and didn't hold off for the iPod Video.
>>>> Mine is the last generation that uses FIrewire -- the next model will
>>>> still charge via Firewire, but will only sync up via USB2. And when I
>>>> bought it, I only had USB1 ports and refused to buy a separate card.
>>>>
>>>> pab
>>
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