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From Rim at Drumagog:
We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the =
Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions =
add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing =
library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from =
within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency =
is introduced. =20
Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
Two new products are available:
Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to =
trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading =
of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the =
regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering =
info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that =
sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
then, but they weren't quite there.
Anyway....there it is.
:o)
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<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
arrival of two=20
exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
Fxpansion's=20
BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
plug-in=20
with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
enable instant=20
access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
by directly=20
triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
complicated=20
setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
<BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
available:<BR>Drumagog=20
BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger =
BFD. =20
It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external =
WAV, AIF=20
or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog =
Pro=20
(with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a =
discounted=20
upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
ordering=20
info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
<P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to =
be able to=20
replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of =
the BFD=20
kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It =
was=20
working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
then, but=20
they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79286 is a reply to message #79284] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 19:49  |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
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Hey...me too...I was Beta testing too....thanks to DJ.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>
>From Rim at Drumagog:
>
>We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the
=
>Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
=
>add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
=
>library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>
>These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
=
>within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
>done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
=
>is introduced. =20
>
>Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>
>Two new products are available:
>Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to =
>trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
=
>of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
=
>regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>
>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering =
>info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>
>
>
>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
=
>sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
>then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>then, but they weren't quite there.
>
>Anyway....there it is.
>
>:o)
>
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>arrival of two=20
>exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>Fxpansion's=20
>BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>plug-in=20
>with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A> <FONT face=3DArial
=
>
>size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>enable instant=20
>access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>by directly=20
>triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>complicated=20
>setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
><BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger =
>BFD. =20
>It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external =
>WAV, AIF=20
>or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
=
>Pro=20
>(with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a =
>discounted=20
>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>ordering=20
>info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
><P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to
=
>be able to=20
>replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of
=
>the BFD=20
>kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It
=
>was=20
>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>then, but=20
>they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79288 is a reply to message #79284] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 19:08 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Neato!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> From Rim at Drumagog:
>
>
> *We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in
> the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
> versions add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're
> not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
> amazing library of sounds (see **www.fxpansion.com*
> <http://www.fxpansion.com/>*).*
>
> *These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all
> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
> is introduced.
>
> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.*
>
> *Two new products are available:
> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>
> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
> info, please visit the drumagog order page: **www.drumagog.com/buy.htm*
> <http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm>
>
> **
>
> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was
> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
> then, but they weren't quite there.
>
> Anyway....there it is.
>
> :o)
>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79292 is a reply to message #79288] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 20:14 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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It really is neato too. You could literally use a carboard box for a kick,
snare and toms and then drop this on the audio events and have a totally
monster sound. I didn't try it with hats or other cymbals but for the meat
'n potatoes stuff, it's killer. I'm going to have to get the BFD percussion
bundle now.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45c00894@linux...
>
> Neato!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> From Rim at Drumagog:
>> *We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in
>> the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
>> versions add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're
>> not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
>> amazing library of sounds (see **www.fxpansion.com*
>> <http://www.fxpansion.com/>*).*
>>
>> *These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all done
>> without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency is
>> introduced. Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.*
>>
>> *Two new products are available:
>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>
>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: **www.drumagog.com/buy.htm*
>> <http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm>
>>
>> ** Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick
>> that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was
>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
>> then, but they weren't quite there.
>>
>> Anyway....there it is.
>>
>> :o)
>>
>>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79295 is a reply to message #79284] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 22:46 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates comp
tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD & DKFH(C&V)
and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery II.
Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every Proejct.
I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs. I
will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum libs
and drum VSTi..
Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys (Additive
Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog. Trigerring
hose raw sounds requires too much work..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>
>From Rim at Drumagog:
>
>We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the
=
>Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
=
>add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
=
>library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>
>These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
=
>within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
>done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
=
>is introduced. =20
>
>Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>
>Two new products are available:
>Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to =
>trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
=
>of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
=
>regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>
>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering =
>info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>
>
>
>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
=
>sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
>then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>then, but they weren't quite there.
>
>Anyway....there it is.
>
>:o)
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>arrival of two=20
>exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>Fxpansion's=20
>BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>plug-in=20
>with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A> <FONT face=3DArial
=
>
>size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>enable instant=20
>access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>by directly=20
>triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>complicated=20
>setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
><BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger =
>BFD. =20
>It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external =
>WAV, AIF=20
>or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
=
>Pro=20
>(with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a =
>discounted=20
>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>ordering=20
>info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
><P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to
=
>be able to=20
>replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of
=
>the BFD=20
>kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It
=
>was=20
>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>then, but=20
>they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79298 is a reply to message #79295] |
Tue, 30 January 2007 22:10 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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LaMont,
I think there is a BFD>DKFH wrapper. Maybe.......you could............(evil
grin)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c02d52$1@linux...
>
> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates
> comp
> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
>
> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD &
> DKFH(C&V)
> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery
> II.
>
> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
> Proejct.
> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs. I
> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum libs
> and drum VSTi..
>
> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys
> (Additive
> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>
> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog.
> Trigerring
> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From Rim at Drumagog:
>>
>>We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the
> =
>>Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
> =
>>add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>>familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
> =
>>library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>>
>>These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
> =
>>within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
>>done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
> =
>>is introduced. =20
>>
>>Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>>
>>Two new products are available:
>>Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to =
>>trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
> =
>>of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
> =
>>regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>
>>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
>>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering =
>>info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
> =
>>sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
>>then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>>then, but they weren't quite there.
>>
>>Anyway....there it is.
>>
>>:o)
>>
>>
>>
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>>arrival of two=20
>>exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>>Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>>Fxpansion's=20
>>BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>>plug-in=20
>>with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A ><FONT face=3DArial
> =
>>
>>size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>>enable instant=20
>>access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>>by directly=20
>>triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>>complicated=20
>>setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
>><BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>>of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>>available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>>BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger =
>>BFD. =20
>>It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external =
>>WAV, AIF=20
>>or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
> =
>>Pro=20
>>(with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>>BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a =
>>discounted=20
>>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>>ordering=20
>>info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
>><P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to
> =
>>be able to=20
>>replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of
> =
>>the BFD=20
>>kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It
> =
>>was=20
>>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>>then, but=20
>>they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79314 is a reply to message #79309] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 09:55 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Lol!! Ok ..
Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of production.
Rule #1: Why use just one snare when adding 2 more while yield the sound
you're going for..
Same for the Bass drum. The original BD is fine, but if I Copy that track
x2 then Drummagog them with added Lower thump DW kick and a High (plat)-Ludwig
Kick ..and a third Drumagog a track with a nice 808 kick for R & B.. All
mixed at different levels to achieve that ultimate Kick and Snare track..
In Hip & R & B, it's normal to "build your" drum tracks. A common Hip & R
&B tracks will consist of :
-4 Kicks
-4 snares
-2 hats
-2shakers
All mixed and blend to perfection that's not obvious to the listener, but
has added debt to the track.
I get really good Live Drum performances in the studio, but the A-list Engineers
are layering those initial tracks to take it to the next level. This occurs
in Rock, Metal, Country, Gospel, Hip Hop/R &B..
When I mentor your Engineer's the first questions or complaints I get from
them is "Why doesn't my mixes sound like (Favorite artist)??
My Response:
Your mixes lack layers. : You snare (Live) is too thin or too thick, You
kick, is too sample sounding or lacks definition.and so on..
Then, I'll use NI's Battery to illustrate why layering (even Live drums)
is essential to achieving the sound you're going after..
So, just recording better drums is onlythe first step in competing (Sound-wise)
with the Big Boy mixes..
Take Care :)
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every Proejct.
>
>On EVERY project???
>
>Why don't you just learn to record better drums?
>
>:)
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79315 is a reply to message #79298] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 09:58 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Really, ..? Who makes suck a wrapper
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>LaMont,
>
>I think there is a BFD>DKFH wrapper. Maybe.......you could............(evil
>grin)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c02d52$1@linux...
>>
>> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates
>> comp
>> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
>>
>> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD &
>> DKFH(C&V)
>> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery
>> II.
>>
>> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
>> Proejct.
>> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs.
I
>> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum
libs
>> and drum VSTi..
>>
>> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys
>> (Additive
>> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>
>> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog.
>> Trigerring
>> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>From Rim at Drumagog:
>>>
>>>We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the
>> =
>>>Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
>> =
>>>add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>>>familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
>> =
>>>library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>>>
>>>These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
>> =
>>>within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
>>>done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
>> =
>>>is introduced. =20
>>>
>>>Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>>>
>>>Two new products are available:
>>>Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
=
>>>trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
>> =
>>>of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>>>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
>> =
>>>regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>>
>>>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
>>>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
=
>>>info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
>> =
>>>sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
>>>then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>>>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
=
>>>then, but they weren't quite there.
>>>
>>>Anyway....there it is.
>>>
>>>:o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>>>arrival of two=20
>>>exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>>>Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>>>Fxpansion's=20
>>>BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>>>plug-in=20
>>>with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>>href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A ><FONT face=3DArial
>> =
>>>
>>>size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>>>enable instant=20
>>>access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>>>by directly=20
>>>triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>>>complicated=20
>>>setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
>>><BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>>>of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>>>available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>>>BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger
=
>>>BFD. =20
>>>It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external
=
>>>WAV, AIF=20
>>>or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
>> =
>>>Pro=20
>>>(with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>>>BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a
=
>>>discounted=20
>>>upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>>>ordering=20
>>>info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>>href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
>>><P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to
>> =
>>>be able to=20
>>>replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of
>> =
>>>the BFD=20
>>>kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It
>> =
>>>was=20
>>>working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
=
>>>then, but=20
>>>they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
>>><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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>>>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79316 is a reply to message #79295] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 09:01 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Hey LaMont, you should upgrade to Battery 3. Big improvements.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates comp
> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
>
> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD & DKFH(C&V)
> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery II.
>
> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every Proejct.
> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs. I
> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum libs
> and drum VSTi..
>
> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys (Additive
> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>
>
> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog. Trigerring
> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>From Rim at Drumagog:
>> We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in the
> =
>> Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
> =
>> add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>> familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
> =
>> library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>>
>> These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
> =
>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all =
>> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
> =
>> is introduced. =20
>>
>> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>>
>> Two new products are available:
>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to =
>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
> =
>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
> =
>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>
>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted =
>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering =
>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
> =
>> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and =
>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>> then, but they weren't quite there.
>>
>> Anyway....there it is.
>>
>> :o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> <HTML><HEAD>
>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>> </HEAD>
>> <BODY>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> <DIV>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>> arrival of two=20
>> exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>> Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>> Fxpansion's=20
>> BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>> plug-in=20
>> with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial
> =
>> size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>> enable instant=20
>> access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>> by directly=20
>> triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>> complicated=20
>> setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
>> <BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>> of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>> available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>> BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger =
>> BFD. =20
>> It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external =
>> WAV, AIF=20
>> or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
> =
>> Pro=20
>> (with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>> BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a =
>> discounted=20
>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>> ordering=20
>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
>> <P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to
> =
>> be able to=20
>> replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of
> =
>> the BFD=20
>> kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It
> =
>> was=20
>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it =
>> then, but=20
>> they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79317 is a reply to message #79292] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 09:02 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Too fun!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> It really is neato too. You could literally use a carboard box for a kick,
> snare and toms and then drop this on the audio events and have a totally
> monster sound. I didn't try it with hats or other cymbals but for the meat
> 'n potatoes stuff, it's killer. I'm going to have to get the BFD percussion
> bundle now.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45c00894@linux...
>> Neato!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> From Rim at Drumagog:
>>> *We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in
>>> the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
>>> versions add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're
>>> not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
>>> amazing library of sounds (see **www.fxpansion.com*
>>> <http://www.fxpansion.com/>*).*
>>>
>>> *These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
>>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all done
>>> without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency is
>>> introduced. Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.*
>>>
>>> *Two new products are available:
>>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
>>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
>>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
>>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>>
>>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
>>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
>>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: **www.drumagog.com/buy.htm*
>>> <http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm>
>>>
>>> ** Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick
>>> that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
>>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was
>>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
>>> then, but they weren't quite there.
>>>
>>> Anyway....there it is.
>>>
>>> :o)
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79318 is a reply to message #79316] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 10:29 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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I Have!! Nice.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Hey LaMont, you should upgrade to Battery 3. Big improvements.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates
comp
>> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
>>
>> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD &
DKFH(C&V)
>> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery
II.
>>
>> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every Proejct.
>> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs.
I
>> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum
libs
>> and drum VSTi..
>>
>> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys
(Additive
>> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
>> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>>
>>
>> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog.
Trigerring
>> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>From Rim at Drumagog:
>>> We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in
the
>> =
>>> Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new versions
>> =
>>> add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
>>> familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an amazing
>> =
>>> library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>>>
>>> These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples from
>> =
>>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all
=
>>> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional latency
>> =
>>> is introduced. =20
>>>
>>> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>>>
>>> Two new products are available:
>>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
=
>>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading
>> =
>>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all the
>> =
>>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>>>
>>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
=
>>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
=
>>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick that
>> =
>>> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
=
>>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
>>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
=
>>> then, but they weren't quite there.
>>>
>>> Anyway....there it is.
>>>
>>> :o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>> </HEAD>
>>> <BODY>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
>>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>> <DIV>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
>>> arrival of two=20
>>> exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog=20
>>> Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>>> Fxpansion's=20
>>> BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
>>> plug-in=20
>>> with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>> href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial
>> =
>>> size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
>>> enable instant=20
>>> access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>>> by directly=20
>>> triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>>> complicated=20
>>> setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
>>> <BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>>> of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>>> available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>>> BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger
=
>>> BFD. =20
>>> It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external
=
>>> WAV, AIF=20
>>> or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog
>> =
>>> Pro=20
>>> (with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger=20
>>> BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a
=
>>> discounted=20
>>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>>> ordering=20
>>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>>> href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
>>> <P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great
to
>> =
>>> be able to=20
>>> replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one
of
>> =
>>> the BFD=20
>>> kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well.
It
>> =
>>> was=20
>>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
=
>>> then, but=20
>>> they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
>>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79322 is a reply to message #79318] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 10:32 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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LaMont...
Can you post some sample clips of this layering technique?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c0d204$1@linux...
>
> I Have!! Nice.
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey LaMont, you should upgrade to Battery 3. Big improvements.
> >
> >Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
> >LaMont wrote:
> >> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates
> comp
> >> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
> >>
> >> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD &
> DKFH(C&V)
> >> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery
> II.
> >>
> >> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
Proejct.
> >> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs.
> I
> >> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum
> libs
> >> and drum VSTi..
> >>
> >> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys
> (Additive
> >> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
>
> >> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
> >>
> >>
> >> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog.
> Trigerring
> >> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
> >> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>From Rim at Drumagog:
> >>> We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products in
> the
> >> =
> >>> Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
versions
> >> =
> >>> add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not =
> >>> familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
amazing
> >> =
> >>> library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
> >>>
> >>> These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples
from
> >> =
> >>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all
> =
> >>> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional
latency
> >> =
> >>> is introduced. =20
> >>>
> >>> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
> >>>
> >>> Two new products are available:
> >>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
> =
> >>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit
loading
> >> =
> >>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
> >>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all
the
> >> =
> >>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
> >>>
> >>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
> =
> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
> =
> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick
that
> >> =
> >>> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
> =
> >>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was =
> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
> =
> >>> then, but they weren't quite there.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway....there it is.
> >>>
> >>> :o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >>> <HTML><HEAD>
> >>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >>> <STYLE></STYLE>
> >>> </HEAD>
> >>> <BODY>
> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >>> <DIV>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the =
> >>> arrival of two=20
> >>> exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and
Drumagog=20
> >>> Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
> >>> Fxpansion's=20
> >>> BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module =
> >>> plug-in=20
> >>> with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
> >>> href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT
face=3DArial
> >> =
> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products =
> >>> enable instant=20
> >>> access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
> >>> by directly=20
> >>> triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
> >>> complicated=20
> >>> setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
> >>> <BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
> >>> of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
> >>> available:<BR>Drumagog=20
> >>> BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger
> =
> >>> BFD. =20
> >>> It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external
> =
> >>> WAV, AIF=20
> >>> or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of
Drumagog
> >> =
> >>> Pro=20
> >>> (with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to
trigger=20
> >>> BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a
> =
> >>> discounted=20
> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
> >>> ordering=20
> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
> >>> href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
> >>> <P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great
> to
> >> =
> >>> be able to=20
> >>> replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one
> of
> >> =
> >>> the BFD=20
> >>> kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well.
> It
> >> =
> >>> was=20
> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce it
> =
> >>> then, but=20
> >>> they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79325 is a reply to message #79314] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 13:05 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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While I do, and will continue to do, this kind of thing, I think it's truly
evil. Just like overcompression at the mastering stage. We all do it, so
we all have to keep doing it, because if we don't then it sounds wrong. It
makes more sense for sample heavy stuff, for sure, but whenever I listen
to a track by the Meters or James Brown pre-1980 I always think, 'Ah, drums!
Drums! You know, like stuff that people hit!'
But I still do it anyway, and it's one of those things that creeps in. At
first it's, 'Damn, there's just not enough felt/wood on the kick. Well, the
bottom snare mic could have something, maybe I can copy it and EQ out some
of the beater hitting the drum. Nope, not really. OK, let's add a sample
with a nice sharp attack to it. Whoa, now the snare sounds all weird . .
." and pretty soon my drums sound like a Budweiser commercial.
But I still do it anyway . . .
TCB
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Lol!! Ok ..
>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of production.
>
>Rule #1: Why use just one snare when adding 2 more while yield the sound
>you're going for..
>
>Same for the Bass drum. The original BD is fine, but if I Copy that track
> x2 then Drummagog them with added Lower thump DW kick and a High (plat)-Ludwig
>Kick ..and a third Drumagog a track with a nice 808 kick for R & B.. All
>mixed at different levels to achieve that ultimate Kick and Snare track..
>
>In Hip & R & B, it's normal to "build your" drum tracks. A common Hip &
R
>&B tracks will consist of :
>
>-4 Kicks
>-4 snares
>-2 hats
>-2shakers
>
>All mixed and blend to perfection that's not obvious to the listener, but
>has added debt to the track.
>
>I get really good Live Drum performances in the studio, but the A-list Engineers
>are layering those initial tracks to take it to the next level. This occurs
>in Rock, Metal, Country, Gospel, Hip Hop/R &B..
>
>When I mentor your Engineer's the first questions or complaints I get from
>them is "Why doesn't my mixes sound like (Favorite artist)??
>My Response:
>Your mixes lack layers. : You snare (Live) is too thin or too thick, You
>kick, is too sample sounding or lacks definition.and so on..
>Then, I'll use NI's Battery to illustrate why layering (even Live drums)
>is essential to achieving the sound you're going after..
>
>So, just recording better drums is onlythe first step in competing (Sound-wise)
>with the Big Boy mixes..
>Take Care :)
>
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every Proejct.
>>
>>On EVERY project???
>>
>>Why don't you just learn to record better drums?
>>
>>:)
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79327 is a reply to message #79325] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 12:11 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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This would explain what I am hearing.
I worked pretty hard on my kick drum sound on my last drum trial with live
drums.
I ended up compressing the F*ck out of the snare and the Kick to get it
thumping
like I am used to hearing in commercial cds. First I compressed it with
about 6db of reduction.
It wasnt comparable to commercial CDs. So I hit it with about 12-16 db of
reduction
and it was suddenly a lot closer.
Is this common or am I over doing it?
Should I try a different technique?
I was using the Shure Beta52A mic and recorded it at appx -6 or -8 db on the
PARIS channel fader.
16bit resolution no compression to tape.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45c0f66c$1@linux...
>
> While I do, and will continue to do, this kind of thing, I think it's
truly
> evil. Just like overcompression at the mastering stage. We all do it, so
> we all have to keep doing it, because if we don't then it sounds wrong. It
> makes more sense for sample heavy stuff, for sure, but whenever I listen
> to a track by the Meters or James Brown pre-1980 I always think, 'Ah,
drums!
> Drums! You know, like stuff that people hit!'
>
> But I still do it anyway, and it's one of those things that creeps in. At
> first it's, 'Damn, there's just not enough felt/wood on the kick. Well,
the
> bottom snare mic could have something, maybe I can copy it and EQ out some
> of the beater hitting the drum. Nope, not really. OK, let's add a sample
> with a nice sharp attack to it. Whoa, now the snare sounds all weird . .
> " and pretty soon my drums sound like a Budweiser commercial.
>
> But I still do it anyway . . .
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >Lol!! Ok ..
> >Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of
production.
> >
> >Rule #1: Why use just one snare when adding 2 more while yield the sound
> >you're going for..
> >
> >Same for the Bass drum. The original BD is fine, but if I Copy that track
> > x2 then Drummagog them with added Lower thump DW kick and a High
(plat)-Ludwig
> >Kick ..and a third Drumagog a track with a nice 808 kick for R & B.. All
> >mixed at different levels to achieve that ultimate Kick and Snare track..
> >
> >In Hip & R & B, it's normal to "build your" drum tracks. A common Hip &
> R
> >&B tracks will consist of :
> >
> >-4 Kicks
> >-4 snares
> >-2 hats
> >-2shakers
> >
> >All mixed and blend to perfection that's not obvious to the listener, but
> >has added debt to the track.
> >
> >I get really good Live Drum performances in the studio, but the A-list
Engineers
> >are layering those initial tracks to take it to the next level. This
occurs
> >in Rock, Metal, Country, Gospel, Hip Hop/R &B..
> >
> >When I mentor your Engineer's the first questions or complaints I get
from
> >them is "Why doesn't my mixes sound like (Favorite artist)??
> >My Response:
> >Your mixes lack layers. : You snare (Live) is too thin or too thick, You
> >kick, is too sample sounding or lacks definition.and so on..
> >Then, I'll use NI's Battery to illustrate why layering (even Live drums)
> >is essential to achieving the sound you're going after..
> >
> >So, just recording better drums is onlythe first step in competing
(Sound-wise)
> >with the Big Boy mixes..
> >Take Care :)
> >
> >
> >"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
Proejct.
> >>
> >>On EVERY project???
> >>
> >>Why don't you just learn to record better drums?
> >>
> >>:)
> >
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79328 is a reply to message #79322] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 13:28 |
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Sure.. I'll get an example together tonight. But, you can easily try this
out by using any version of Battery vsti..
-Load in a drum sample in a cell,
- then right mouse click to add a sample..add another sample
-Now listen to the results.
-If one sample is over shadowing the other, adjust the levels to that sample.
Keep reapeating the add sample until you have achieved your desired sound..
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>LaMont...
>
>Can you post some sample clips of this layering technique?
>
>--
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c0d204$1@linux...
>>
>> I Have!! Nice.
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hey LaMont, you should upgrade to Battery 3. Big improvements.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> > -Jamie
>> > www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >
>> >
>> >LaMont wrote:
>> >> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her gates
>> comp
>> >> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
>> >>
>> >> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD
&
>> DKFH(C&V)
>> >> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as Battery
>> II.
>> >>
>> >> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
>Proejct.
>> >> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum libs.
>> I
>> >> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull drum
>> libs
>> >> and drum VSTi..
>> >>
>> >> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese guys
>> (Additive
>> >> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum recording..
>>
>> >> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from Drumagog.
>> Trigerring
>> >> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
>> >> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>From Rim at Drumagog:
>> >>> We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products
in
>> the
>> >> =
>> >>> Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
>versions
>> >> =
>> >>> add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not
=
>> >>> familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
>amazing
>> >> =
>> >>> library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
>> >>>
>> >>> These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples
>from
>> >> =
>> >>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is all
>> =
>> >>> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional
>latency
>> >> =
>> >>> is introduced. =20
>> >>>
>> >>> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
>> >>>
>> >>> Two new products are available:
>> >>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed
to
>> =
>> >>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit
>loading
>> >> =
>> >>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
>> >>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all
>the
>> >> =
>> >>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a discounted
>> =
>> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For ordering
>> =
>> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick
>that
>> >> =
>> >>> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits and
>> =
>> >>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was
=
>> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce
it
>> =
>> >>> then, but they weren't quite there.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anyway....there it is.
>> >>>
>> >>> :o)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> >>> <HTML><HEAD>
>> >>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>> >>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>> >>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
>> >>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>> >>> </HEAD>
>> >>> <BODY>
>> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
>> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>> >>> <DIV>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the
=
>> >>> arrival of two=20
>> >>> exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and
>Drumagog=20
>> >>> Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
>> >>> Fxpansion's=20
>> >>> BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module
=
>> >>> plug-in=20
>> >>> with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>> >>> href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT
>face=3DArial
>> >> =
>> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products
=
>> >>> enable instant=20
>> >>> access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
>> >>> by directly=20
>> >>> triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
>> >>> complicated=20
>> >>> setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
>> >>> <BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
>> >>> of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
>> >>> available:<BR>Drumagog=20
>> >>> BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to trigger
>> =
>> >>> BFD. =20
>> >>> It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of external
>> =
>> >>> WAV, AIF=20
>> >>> or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of
>Drumagog
>> >> =
>> >>> Pro=20
>> >>> (with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to
>trigger=20
>> >>> BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for
a
>> =
>> >>> discounted=20
>> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
>> >>> ordering=20
>> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
>> >>> href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
>> >>> <P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great
>> to
>> >> =
>> >>> be able to=20
>> >>> replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one
>> of
>> >> =
>> >>> the BFD=20
>> >>> kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well.
>> It
>> >> =
>> >>> was=20
>> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce
it
>> =
>> >>> then, but=20
>> >>> they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
>> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79329 is a reply to message #79328] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 12:28 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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I dont have battery.
Can this be done with Drumagog only?
on seperate channels?
Maybe have the original and the sample and use Drumagogs blend feature?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"LaMont " <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:45c0fbfd$1@linux...
>
> Sure.. I'll get an example together tonight. But, you can easily try this
> out by using any version of Battery vsti..
>
> -Load in a drum sample in a cell,
> - then right mouse click to add a sample..add another sample
> -Now listen to the results.
> -If one sample is over shadowing the other, adjust the levels to that
sample.
> Keep reapeating the add sample until you have achieved your desired
sound..
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >LaMont...
> >
> >Can you post some sample clips of this layering technique?
> >
> >--
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Brandon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c0d204$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I Have!! Nice.
> >>
> >> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Hey LaMont, you should upgrade to Battery 3. Big improvements.
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> > -Jamie
> >> > www.JamieKrutz.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >LaMont wrote:
> >> >> To me, BFD is for the Old school engineer, who has all his or her
gates
> >> comp
> >> >> tricks. Those sample are as RAW as they come.
> >> >>
> >> >> For my production needs, I require "Ready To Go" sounds. I have BFD
> &
> >> DKFH(C&V)
> >> >> and for my needs, DKFH(Custom vintage) is it for me. As well as
Battery
> >> II.
> >> >>
> >> >> Having said all of that, Drummagog is a God Send!! I use it on every
> >Proejct.
> >> >> I have 2 X 80 gig drives just for Drums from a vast array of Drum
libs.
> >> I
> >> >> will be builinga Drum only VST computer for all these wonderfull
drum
> >> libs
> >> >> and drum VSTi..
> >> >>
> >> >> Like, Drum-core.WOW!! Amazing sounds and playing. As well as hese
guys
> >> (Additive
> >> >> Audio) are really on to something good as far virtual drum
recording..
> >>
> >> >> http://www.xlnaudio.com/index.php?page=products&p_page=a udio
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> But, back to the subject.. I'd like to trigger DKFH(CV) from
Drumagog.
> >> Trigerring
> >> >> hose raw sounds requires too much work..
> >> >> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>From Rim at Drumagog:
> >> >>> We are proud to announce the arrival of two exciting new products
> in
> >> the
> >> >> =
> >> >>> Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and Drumagog Platinum. These new
> >versions
> >> >> =
> >> >>> add the ability to directly trigger Fxpansion's BFD. If you're not
> =
> >> >>> familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module plug-in with an
> >amazing
> >> >> =
> >> >>> library of sounds (see www.fxpansion.com).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> These new Drumagog products enable instant access to BFD's samples
> >from
> >> >> =
> >> >>> within the Drumagog screen, by directly triggering BFD. This is
all
> >> =
> >> >>> done without MIDI or other complicated setups, and no additional
> >latency
> >> >> =
> >> >>> is introduced. =20
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Note: A copy of BFD is required to use the new features.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Two new products are available:
> >> >>> Drumagog BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed
> to
> >> =
> >> >>> trigger BFD. It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit
> >loading
> >> >> =
> >> >>> of external WAV, AIF or SDII files.
> >> >>> Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of Drumagog Pro (with all
> >the
> >> >> =
> >> >>> regular drumagog features), plus the ability to trigger BFD.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for a
discounted
> >> =
> >> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For
ordering
> >> =
> >> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page:
www.drumagog.com/buy.htm
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's great to be able to replace a kick
> >that
> >> >> =
> >> >>> sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from one of the BFD kits
and
> >> =
> >> >>> then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as well. It was
> =
> >> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce
> it
> >> =
> >> >>> then, but they weren't quite there.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Anyway....there it is.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> :o)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> >>> <HTML><HEAD>
> >> >>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >> >>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> >> >>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.5730.11" name=3DGENERATOR>
> >> >>> <STYLE></STYLE>
> >> >>> </HEAD>
> >> >>> <BODY>
> >> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From Rim at Drumagog:</FONT></DIV>
> >> >>> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> >>> <DIV>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>We are proud to announce the
> =
> >> >>> arrival of two=20
> >> >>> exciting new products in the Drumagog lineup: Drumagog BFD and
> >Drumagog=20
> >> >>> Platinum. These new versions add the ability to directly trigger =
> >> >>> Fxpansion's=20
> >> >>> BFD. If you're not familiar with BFD, it's an acoustic drum module
> =
> >> >>> plug-in=20
> >> >>> with an amazing library of sounds (see </STRONG></FONT><A=20
> >> >>> href=3D"http://www.fxpansion.com/"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.fxpansion.com</STRONG></FONT></A><FONT
> >face=3DArial
> >> >> =
> >> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>).</STRONG></FONT></P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>These new Drumagog products
> =
> >> >>> enable instant=20
> >> >>> access to BFD's samples from within the Drumagog screen, =
> >> >>> by directly=20
> >> >>> triggering BFD. This is all done without MIDI or other =
> >> >>> complicated=20
> >> >>> setups, and no additional latency is introduced. =
> >> >>> <BR><BR>Note: A copy=20
> >> >>> of BFD is required to use the new features.</STRONG></FONT></P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Two new products are =
> >> >>> available:<BR>Drumagog=20
> >> >>> BFD is a simple version of Drumagog which is only designed to
trigger
> >> =
> >> >>> BFD. =20
> >> >>> It does not contain any internal sounds, or permit loading of
external
> >> =
> >> >>> WAV, AIF=20
> >> >>> or SDII files.<BR>Drumagog Platinum is a full-blown version of
> >Drumagog
> >> >> =
> >> >>> Pro=20
> >> >>> (with all the regular drumagog features), plus the ability to
> >trigger=20
> >> >>> BFD.<BR><BR>If you own a copy of Drumagog Pro, you are eligible for
> a
> >> =
> >> >>> discounted=20
> >> >>> upgrade to Drumagog Platinum. The upgrade price is $89. For =
> >> >>> ordering=20
> >> >>> info, please visit the drumagog order page: </STRONG></FONT><A=20
> >> >>> href=3D"http://www.drumagog.com/buy.htm"><FONT face=3DArial=20
> >> >>> size=3D2><STRONG>www.drumagog.com/buy.htm</STRONG></FONT ></A></P>
> >> >>> <P><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Drumagog BFD is very cool. It's
great
> >> to
> >> >> =
> >> >>> be able to=20
> >> >>> replace a kick that sounds like a cardboard box with a kick from
one
> >> of
> >> >> =
> >> >>> the BFD=20
> >> >>> kits and then blend the Eldorado Studio room into the track as
well.
> >> It
> >> >> =
> >> >>> was=20
> >> >>> working very well for me before NAMM. I thought they would announce
> it
> >> =
> >> >>> then, but=20
> >> >>> they weren't quite there.</FONT></P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway....there it is.</FONT></P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:o)</FONT></P>
> >> >>> <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79340 is a reply to message #79333] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 17:45 |
Neil
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"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>I may take yo up on that offer.
>Can Click tracks be generated Quickly and painlessly in battery.?
It plays back MIDI - it's a VSTi - so if you want to just create
a meaure of MIDI clicks on the 4-count, then copy & paste that
across the rest of your measures, then yeah, it's pretty quick
& easy.
>What are the benefits over Drumagog ? I thought they were the same thing
basically.
None - what are the benefits of teeth vs feet? :D They're
two different things, although the newer versions of D-Gog can
also do MIDI, while the older ones, cannot (I have an old
version of D-gog that I'll sell you cheep, too... I have a few
things I need to do some housecleaning on, get rid of some
stuff I no longer use).
>I really need a plug that makes quick easy click tracks with
>real drum sounds and records it to tape or spits out a wav file
>for import.
You can record Battery to .wav with either that TapeIt plugin
that Lamont posted a link to, or that Voxengo Recorder applet.
Neil
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79341 is a reply to message #79340] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 16:58 |
Don Nafe
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I might be interested in your drumagog if the price is right
D
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c1381f$1@linux...
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>I may take yo up on that offer.
>>Can Click tracks be generated Quickly and painlessly in battery.?
>
> It plays back MIDI - it's a VSTi - so if you want to just create
> a meaure of MIDI clicks on the 4-count, then copy & paste that
> across the rest of your measures, then yeah, it's pretty quick
> & easy.
>
>>What are the benefits over Drumagog ? I thought they were the same thing
> basically.
>
> None - what are the benefits of teeth vs feet? :D They're
> two different things, although the newer versions of D-Gog can
> also do MIDI, while the older ones, cannot (I have an old
> version of D-gog that I'll sell you cheep, too... I have a few
> things I need to do some housecleaning on, get rid of some
> stuff I no longer use).
>
>>I really need a plug that makes quick easy click tracks with
>>real drum sounds and records it to tape or spits out a wav file
>>for import.
>
> You can record Battery to .wav with either that TapeIt plugin
> that Lamont posted a link to, or that Voxengo Recorder applet.
>
>
> Neil
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79344 is a reply to message #79339] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 17:04 |
Jamie K
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It's been a while since I had to experience that prematurely released
POS. I don't have time to look 'em up right now but to read some of the
bugs I reported in the first release of Battery, you could look back on
Native instruments' forums.
There were some show stoppers, for what I do. The bug fix update helped
some. B2 helped a whole lot more. B3 is much more refined and expanded.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Battery 1 worked fine here - maybe some issues with advanced features,
> but I never came across any of significance. Battery 2 works fine as well.
>
> Dedric
>
> "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c1343b$1@linux...
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> If it's Battery 1, you'll need to upgrade it before it will even really
>>> work. It should be upgradable, though.
>> Define "work"... ummm, it works (and yes, I just checked, and
>> it's Battery 1). Dunno what's suposed to not "work" on it,
>> though.
>>
>> Neil
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79350 is a reply to message #79327] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 20:14 |
Neil
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"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>I ended up compressing the F*ck out of the snare and the Kick to get it
>thumping
>like I am used to hearing in commercial cds. First I compressed it with
>about 6db of reduction.
>It wasnt comparable to commercial CDs. So I hit it with about 12-16 db of
>reduction
>and it was suddenly a lot closer.
>Is this common or am I over doing it?
There's not such thing as "overdoing it" if that's what it
takes to getting what you want out of the sound. Another thing
you might try on Kick is multiband compression - 3 bands, and
set the middle bandwidth to 300hz to 3k, then duck the middle
band down... nice, no EQ needed in many instances. Snare, I just
tend to use an aggressive compressor & nearly always end up
boosting 5k & 10-12k to some extent - those freqs are pretty
essential for a good crackin' snare sound. I usually don't end
up compressing snare as much as you mentioned, but between -9db
& -12db isn't unusual for me.
>Should I try a different technique?
Yes, the Multiband thing, I already told you that! :)
>I was using the Shure Beta52A mic and recorded it at appx -6
or -8 db on the PARIS channel fader.
>16bit resolution no compression to tape.
What kind of mic pre are you using, and what other options
(if any) do you have in this area? Try different pres too,
don't forget they can make a big diff.
Neil
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79353 is a reply to message #79341] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 23:11 |
neil[1]
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OK, well if you and/or Brandon wnt either the Drumagog or the
Battery software, I'll let you have them for $50 each, shipping
included (unless shipping to Canada has some ridiculous
surcharges, Don... I think you're gonna have to cover the
tariff, either way). Both are version 1; as I said, they are not
newer versions of this software. Battery is VST, and D-Gog is
Direct-X.
Let me know if either of you want either one... e-mail is:
neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net
Neil
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I might be interested in your drumagog if the price is right
>
>D
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45c1381f$1@linux...
>>
>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>I may take yo up on that offer.
>>>Can Click tracks be generated Quickly and painlessly in battery.?
>>
>> It plays back MIDI - it's a VSTi - so if you want to just create
>> a meaure of MIDI clicks on the 4-count, then copy & paste that
>> across the rest of your measures, then yeah, it's pretty quick
>> & easy.
>>
>>>What are the benefits over Drumagog ? I thought they were the same thing
>> basically.
>>
>> None - what are the benefits of teeth vs feet? :D They're
>> two different things, although the newer versions of D-Gog can
>> also do MIDI, while the older ones, cannot (I have an old
>> version of D-gog that I'll sell you cheep, too... I have a few
>> things I need to do some housecleaning on, get rid of some
>> stuff I no longer use).
>>
>>>I really need a plug that makes quick easy click tracks with
>>>real drum sounds and records it to tape or spits out a wav file
>>>for import.
>>
>> You can record Battery to .wav with either that TapeIt plugin
>> that Lamont posted a link to, or that Voxengo Recorder applet.
>>
>>
>> Neil
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79360 is a reply to message #79343] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 09:27 |
LaMont
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Hey Neil..
Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers drums
with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand claps,
Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
They were syncing Consoles !!!
The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
Live drum kit, layered with:
-808 drum kit
-smack claps for snare accents
-Live bass
-Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
All mix to perfection..
And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now you
add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you had
a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
"eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Lol!! Ok ..
>>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of
production.
>
>I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>guy.
>
>:)
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79361 is a reply to message #79360] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 08:35 |
Deej [4]
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>They were syncing Consoles !!!
Stop it!!!...just stop!!!!....if you don't there's gonna be trouble.
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>
> Hey Neil..
>
> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>
> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
> drums
> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
> claps,
> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>
> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
> Live drum kit, layered with:
>
> -808 drum kit
> -smack claps for snare accents
> -Live bass
> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
> All mix to perfection..
>
> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now you
> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you
> had
> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>
> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Lol!! Ok ..
>>>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of
> production.
>>
>>I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>>and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>>other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>>their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>>guy.
>>
>>:)
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79362 is a reply to message #79360] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 08:38 |
brandon[2]
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LaMont,
you said:
The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
> Live drum kit, layered with:
>
> -808 drum kit
> -smack claps for snare accents
> -Live bass
> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
> All mix to perfection..
How do you know of these producton details?
Is there a resource or link to articles on the such?
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>
> Hey Neil..
>
> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>
> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
drums
> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
claps,
> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>
> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
> Live drum kit, layered with:
>
> -808 drum kit
> -smack claps for snare accents
> -Live bass
> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
> All mix to perfection..
>
> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now you
> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you
had
> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>
> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> >"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>Lol!! Ok ..
> >>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of
> production.
> >
> >I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
> >and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
> >other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
> >their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
> >guy.
> >
> >:)
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79366 is a reply to message #79361] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 11:08 |
LaMont
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Hey DJ,
Yep.. They we're syncing consoles back in 1978 while recording Michael's
"Off the wall" album.
They also instituted the "working tracks" over-dub method using 2inch tape.
Where as they would say track 20 tracks of backing vocals to a tape, with
one track left for smpte sync. Then, get another tape for say strings, then
another for Horns & etc. All told, they were mixing up to 80 tracks per per
song on that album .and that was 1978..!!The album came out in 1979..
If you get a chance, take a listen to "Rock With You"..Lush,thick Backing
vocals, all done by Michael. The title track Off-The Wall vocals are as thicks
as I've ever heard, as are the Horns, Live strings, and many other ear-candy
tracks..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>They were syncing Consoles !!!
>
>Stop it!!!...just stop!!!!....if you don't there's gonna be trouble.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Neil..
>>
>> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
>> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
>> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>>
>> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
>> drums
>> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
>> claps,
>> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
>> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>>
>> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>
>> -808 drum kit
>> -smack claps for snare accents
>> -Live bass
>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>> All mix to perfection..
>>
>> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
>> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now you
>> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you
>> had
>> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>>
>> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Lol!! Ok ..
>>>>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school of
>> production.
>>>
>>>I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>>>and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>>>other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>>>their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>>>guy.
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79368 is a reply to message #79362] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 11:12 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey Brandon,(I did not forget to get you that example) session lasted till
1:00 AM, and I'm fighting a flu.
But, the resource comes from the Album credits, and if you Google Bruce Swedien,
he has many articles of the Michael Jackson /Quincy Jones production techniques.
AND, lastly, just listen to the tracks itself..They are almost self explanatory..
Take care..
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>LaMont,
>
>you said:
>The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>
>> -808 drum kit
>> -smack claps for snare accents
>> -Live bass
>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>> All mix to perfection..
>
>
>How do you know of these producton details?
>Is there a resource or link to articles on the such?
>
>--
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Neil..
>>
>> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
>> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
>> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>>
>> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
>drums
>> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
>claps,
>> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
>> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>>
>> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>
>> -808 drum kit
>> -smack claps for snare accents
>> -Live bass
>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>> All mix to perfection..
>>
>> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
>> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now you
>> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you
>had
>> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>>
>> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Lol!! Ok ..
>> >>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school
of
>> production.
>> >
>> >I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>> >and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>> >other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>> >their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>> >guy.
>> >
>> >:)
>>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79386 is a reply to message #79368] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 14:42 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Bruce is on gearslutz.com back around September-October 06. He talks about
some of his techniques such as how he gets his kick drum sounds(with Pix),
what console he uses and what he masters to these days. It's a good read.
James
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Brandon,(I did not forget to get you that example) session lasted till
>1:00 AM, and I'm fighting a flu.
>
>But, the resource comes from the Album credits, and if you Google Bruce
Swedien,
>he has many articles of the Michael Jackson /Quincy Jones production techniques.
>AND, lastly, just listen to the tracks itself..They are almost self explanatory..
>Take care..
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>LaMont,
>>
>>you said:
>>The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>>
>>> -808 drum kit
>>> -smack claps for snare accents
>>> -Live bass
>>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>>> All mix to perfection..
>>
>>
>>How do you know of these producton details?
>>Is there a resource or link to articles on the such?
>>
>>--
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Neil..
>>>
>>> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
>>> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
>>> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>>>
>>> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
>>drums
>>> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
>>claps,
>>> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
>>> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>>>
>>> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>>
>>> -808 drum kit
>>> -smack claps for snare accents
>>> -Live bass
>>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>>> All mix to perfection..
>>>
>>> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
>>> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now
you
>>> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and you
>>had
>>> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>>>
>>> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>Lol!! Ok ..
>>> >>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school
>of
>>> production.
>>> >
>>> >I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>>> >and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>>> >other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>>> >their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>>> >guy.
>>> >
>>> >:)
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK-here's what I was beta testing [message #79394 is a reply to message #79386] |
Thu, 01 February 2007 18:00 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Man, I saved all of his post then PDF' them to a binder :)
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Bruce is on gearslutz.com back around September-October 06. He talks about
>some of his techniques such as how he gets his kick drum sounds(with Pix),
>what console he uses and what he masters to these days. It's a good read.
>
>James
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Brandon,(I did not forget to get you that example) session lasted till
>>1:00 AM, and I'm fighting a flu.
>>
>>But, the resource comes from the Album credits, and if you Google Bruce
>Swedien,
>>he has many articles of the Michael Jackson /Quincy Jones production techniques.
>>AND, lastly, just listen to the tracks itself..They are almost self explanatory..
>>Take care..
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>LaMont,
>>>
>>>you said:
>>>The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking about:
>>>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>>>
>>>> -808 drum kit
>>>> -smack claps for snare accents
>>>> -Live bass
>>>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>>>> All mix to perfection..
>>>
>>>
>>>How do you know of these producton details?
>>>Is there a resource or link to articles on the such?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:45c214e5$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hey Neil..
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you're right about the record everything stereo. But, he and Quincy
>>>> were kings of the Layered approach and they had been using samples since
>>>> they were recording the Brothers Johnson's projects inthe mid 1970's..
>>>>
>>>> Then when they started working with Michael Jackson, they took layers
>>>drums
>>>> with samples to and new level!!.. Starting with Beat It.. Layered hand
>>>claps,
>>>> Knocks..What Q calls "Ear Candy"..
>>>> They were syncing Consoles !!!
>>>>
>>>> The song PYT on (Thriller) is a perfect example of what I'm talking
about:
>>>> Live drum kit, layered with:
>>>>
>>>> -808 drum kit
>>>> -smack claps for snare accents
>>>> -Live bass
>>>> -Synth Moog bass (mixed tightly ) together to perfection
>>>> All mix to perfection..
>>>>
>>>> And I'm only talking about the "Thriller" album..When you get to albums
>>>> BAD, Dangerous...They take the above approches to the "extreme"..Now
>you
>>>> add in Producer Michael himself,Teddy Riley (Mr Layer) & Bruce, and
you
>>>had
>>>> a production dream team full of Live meets samples ..
>>>>
>>>> "eil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Lol!! Ok ..
>>>> >>Neil and Others, I come form the Quincy Jones /Bruce Swedien school
>>of
>>>> production.
>>>> >
>>>> >I thought Bruce was more of a: "record everything in stereo,
>>>> >and some things in stereo twice" kinda guy, not a: "I'll let
>>>> >other people do the recording & I'll use several tracks of
>>>> >their samples because I can't record a decent kick drum" kinda
>>>> >guy.
>>>> >
>>>> >:)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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