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Nah, use the Holley, but add a Weber Power Plate to the primaries.
You get all the weber jet dial-ability and your mileage goes up by
about 5 mpg if you set it up right.
Better yet, 350 crate motor!! yeah
DC
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>And if it does have the 302 Zapper motor, you would want to
>throw out the Rochester carb and put a Carter AFB on it....
>way easier to take care of than a Holley! ;-) But then
>again, I'm a Mopar guy, so what do I know! ;-)
>
>David.
>
>Aaron Allen wrote:
>
>> They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it
>> wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El
Camino
>> that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy
>> limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
>> LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?)
>>
>> geAArhead
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux...
>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
>>>>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
>>>>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
>>>>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
>>>>
>>>>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've learned
>>>>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's
a
>>>>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if
>>>>you're
>>>>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
>>>
>>>True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
>>>you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
>>>on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
>>>20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
>>>carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66585 is a reply to message #66550] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 21:47 |
Deej [1]
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With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually become.
Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put this
stuff together and see what it can achieve.
;o)
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:443c54af$1@linux...
>
> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx. I
> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are
searching
> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys and
> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the
same
> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically, or
> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT is
> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will make
> me better.
> Rod
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >> Dawfensiveness
> >
> >
> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
WAAAAYYY
>
> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about the
>
> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is
totally
>
> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a PT
> mix
> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats it
> for
> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will
know
>
> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer Paris
> in
> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the 'sound'
>
> >doesn't matter and dump to.
> >
> >AA
> >
> >
> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
> >news:443c155c$1@linux...
> >> Well,
> >>
> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
over
>
> >> the years.
> >>
> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
>
> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move
> on
> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
> >>
> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
> of
> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think
> we
> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
>
> >> platforms.
> >>
> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
> feel
> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's own
>
> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than
>
> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
> >>
> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
around
>
> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
> >> current daw wars..
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> TC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve Cox wrote:
> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it is
>
> >>>>and
> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
great
> >>>
> >>> help
> >>>
> >>>>!
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
other
> >>>>
> >>>>people
> >>>>
> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
all
> >>>
> >>> should
> >>>
> >>>>>be welcome.
> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
Paris
> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>
> >>>>>things
> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris.
> It
> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>
> >>>>>have
> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our
>
> >>>>>group
> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out,
> or
> >>>>
> >>>>your
> >>>>
> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so
> to
> >>>>
> >>>>speak.
> >>>>
> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
don't
> >>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
> >>>>>people
> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
> )
> >>>
> >>> raved
> >>>
> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so
>
> >>>>>sure
> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
here
> >>>
> >>> that
> >>>
> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
> Some
> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as
>
> >>>>>being
> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
people
> >>>
> >>> love
> >>>
> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
> >>>>>working
> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come
out
> >>>
> >>> that
> >>>
> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>
> >>>>>useable.
> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>
> >>>>>vary
> >>>>>hard to beat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have, or
>
> >>>>>are
> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard". Many
>
> >>>>>feel
> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For
some
> >>>
> >>> people
> >>>
> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However,
> it
> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
> >>>>>equipment
> >>>>>you use.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
> >>>>>really
> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
> cost
> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville,
> or
> >>>
> >>> Austin,
> >>>
> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
> >>>>>instruments,
> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants
> to
> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL 9000
>
> >>>>>and
> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and
your
> >>>>
> >>>>talking
> >>>>
> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
>
> >>>>>There
> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By the
>
> >>>>>way,
> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
saying
> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
users.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Steve,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what... two
>
> >>>>>>weeks
> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave is
>
> >>>>>>well
> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to.
OK?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Dave,
> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
> >>>>>>>encouraging
> >>>>>>>the Paris users How??
> >>>>>>>Steve
> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Howdy all,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
> >>>>>>>> still.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Alot
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
> >>>
> >>> less
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the
> new
> >>>>
> >>>>console
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
> >>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed
> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paris,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
still
> >>>>>
> >>>>>running
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6
years,
> >>>
> >>> but
> >>>
> >>>>>>>things
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Cheers
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
> >>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
current
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Paris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or
Paris
> >>>
> >>> users
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>who
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is
>
> >>>>>>>>>when
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>folks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>>MR
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>
> >>>>>>>>>> happened
> >>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its
>
> >>>>>>>>>>time
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>move
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>on.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
> >>>
> >>> I
> >>>
> >>>>>bought
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual
> 2.0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>G5.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hence
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it
>
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer
> of
> >>>>>
> >>>>>the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>year
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
believe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Paris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>
> >>>>>>>>>>achieve.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Dave
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>
> >
> >
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| Re: Bye Paris - group future... [message #66587 is a reply to message #66565] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 21:57 |
Deej [1]
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> limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
Man........ that 302 was a friggin' monster ride.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:443c7189@linux...
> They didn't make a 305 in '72.. that was the 307, heh, and I believe it
> wasn't offered for the Camero (but did show in in the Chevelle and El
Camino
> that I know of), unless you're reference is to the 60's aluminum chevy
> limited production 302 that 'did' come in the Camaro :)
> LOL (Your point proven, perhaps?)
>
> geAArhead
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:443c63e9$1@linux...
> >
> > "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
> >>>And if I may add, this place is great for getting advice or
> >>>opinions on more than just "systems"... there's a great wealth
> >>>of knowledge here on audio in general, and that's - personally -
> >>>why I prefer to hang here more than any other audio forum.
> >>
> >>Quite true, and it even goes beyond just audio in some cases. I've
learned
> >>plenty of non-audio computer related stuff for example. Basically it's a
> >>group of intelligent people with similar interests, so very often, if
> >>you're
> >>into it, somebody on here will know about it.
> >
> > True, and not just restricted to computers, even... I'll bet if
> > you ask "What's the best way to re-jet and rebuild a carburetor
> > on a '72 Camaro with a 305 engine in order to get me another
> > 20 or so horsepower?", someone here will refer you to the best
> > carb kit & jet size with which to do so.
> >
> > Neil
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66592 is a reply to message #66578] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 22:43 |
dave Parkin
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I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external pres,
and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro tools
for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing. Sounds
like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first choice
of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the fall
down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over was
enormous.
Cheers
"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
>
>Ain't no peace to be found in my rig, that's for sure. Nothing but
>hard work and everybody trying to be the producer.... grrrrr
>
>DAW's are like bums, everyone's got one and they all stink
>sometimes.
>
>I'm stickin' with PARIS thanks.
>
>
>Innit fun how the Control 24 eats up 196 I/O outs for every channel
>you want to monitor? You would think they would return digital
>to the Control 24 and then convert it and send it to your speakers.
>Control 24's are not cheap, especially when you need another
>196 I/O to really use them, it's the least Digi could've done, eh?
>
>Oh, and BTW, if you patch the direct outs of your
>196 I/O L & R (or surround if you swing that way) to your powered
>speakers, (via a passive vol control or carefully setting their input
>levels) or to your power amp, instead of routing the CR signal to the
>Control 24's monitoring level controls, you will get about a 100%
>improvement in fidelity. Try it, you will be amazed. The Control
>24's CR monitoring circuit sounds pretty lousy.
>
>Hey no need to thank us. Making things sound better: it's what
>Paris people DO.
>
>
>DC
>
>
>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>Howdy all,
>>
>> I didnt realise my simple little post would cause such a stir. It seems
>>to me some of you want to block out the opinions of those that dont agree
>>with you. I wasnt putting Paris down, i think Paris is great. As stated,
>>I used Paris for 6 years, and it did very well.
>>
>> You'd be living in a cloud if you believed all the other Daws which
>>are still being updated and tweaked werent as good as Paris. I love Paris,
>>but the truth is, things have come along way. Thats just how it is. Those
>>of you who dont want to hear that, shouldnt have opened the post...
>>
>> Those of you curious about how much PT's cost, work it out yourself.
Heres
>>my rig.
>>
>> PT's HD3 accell PCIe
>> Control 24
>> 192 box, with extra 8 ins card.
>> 96 box
>> Dual 2.0 Mac G5.
>>
>> Cheers all. Find peace in ya own rig, dosent matter what others are using.
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66595 is a reply to message #66592] |
Tue, 11 April 2006 23:07 |
dc[4]
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"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>
>I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external pres,
>and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro tools
>for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing.
It's got good mic pres in it, you should try them. Where it bites
you is when you use the onboard control room monitoring circuits.
They sound lousy and use up 192 I/O outputs. Also, every mic
pre from the control 24 that you use will take up an analog input
on the 192 just like an outboard mic pre because there is no A-D
conversion in the Control 24.
>Sounds
>like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
Sounds like you jump to conclusions a lot. I am on no other DAW
forums. I design and install studios and PT's systems.
That's how I know these things.
> paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first choice
>of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the fall
>down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over was
>enormous.
Dave, no one minds that you left Paris. really. It still works for
me, and I will use it as long as I can, then I will probably get into
Sequoia.
DC
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66599 is a reply to message #66585] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 04:07 |
John [1]
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Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does?
Thanks DJ
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
>Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually become.
>Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put
this
>stuff together and see what it can achieve.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:443c54af$1@linux...
>>
>> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx.
I
>> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are
>searching
>> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys and
>> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the
>same
>> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically,
or
>> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT
is
>> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will
make
>> me better.
>> Rod
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> >> Dawfensiveness
>> >
>> >
>> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
>WAAAAYYY
>>
>> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about
the
>>
>> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is
>totally
>>
>> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a
PT
>> mix
>> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats
it
>> for
>> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will
>know
>>
>> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer Paris
>> in
>> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the 'sound'
>>
>> >doesn't matter and dump to.
>> >
>> >AA
>> >
>> >
>> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>> >news:443c155c$1@linux...
>> >> Well,
>> >>
>> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
>over
>>
>> >> the years.
>> >>
>> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
>>
>> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move
>> on
>> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>> >>
>> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
>> of
>> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think
>> we
>> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
>>
>> >> platforms.
>> >>
>> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
>> feel
>> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
own
>>
>> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than
>>
>> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>> >>
>> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
>around
>>
>> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
>> >> current daw wars..
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> TC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve Cox wrote:
>> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it
is
>>
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
>great
>> >>>
>> >>> help
>> >>>
>> >>>>!
>> >>>>
>> >>>>John
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
>other
>> >>>>
>> >>>>people
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
>all
>> >>>
>> >>> should
>> >>>
>> >>>>>be welcome.
>> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>Paris
>> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>
>> >>>>>things
>> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris.
>> It
>> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>
>> >>>>>have
>> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help
our
>>
>> >>>>>group
>> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out,
>> or
>> >>>>
>> >>>>your
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him
so
>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>>speak.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
>don't
>> >>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>> >>>>>people
>> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
>> )
>> >>>
>> >>> raved
>> >>>
>> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not
so
>>
>> >>>>>sure
>> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
>here
>> >>>
>> >>> that
>> >>>
>> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>> Some
>> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived
as
>>
>> >>>>>being
>> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
>people
>> >>>
>> >>> love
>> >>>
>> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>> >>>>>working
>> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come
>out
>> >>>
>> >>> that
>> >>>
>> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>
>> >>>>>useable.
>> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>
>> >>>>>vary
>> >>>>>hard to beat.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
or
>>
>> >>>>>are
>> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
Many
>>
>> >>>>>feel
>> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For
>some
>> >>>
>> >>> people
>> >>>
>> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However,
>> it
>> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>> >>>>>equipment
>> >>>>>you use.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>> >>>>>really
>> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
>> cost
>> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville,
>> or
>> >>>
>> >>> Austin,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>> >>>>>instruments,
>> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants
>> to
>> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
9000
>>
>> >>>>>and
>> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and
>your
>> >>>>
>> >>>>talking
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
>>
>> >>>>>There
>> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By
the
>>
>> >>>>>way,
>> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>saying
>> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
>users.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>Steve,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
two
>>
>> >>>>>>weeks
>> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave
is
>>
>> >>>>>>well
>> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to.
>OK?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Dave,
>> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>> >>>>>>>encouraging
>> >>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>> >>>>>>>Steve
>> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>> >>>>>>>> still.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Alot
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools
rep
>> >>>
>> >>> less
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the
>> new
>> >>>>
>> >>>>console
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>> >>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed
>> to
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Paris,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
>still
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>running
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6
>years,
>> >>>
>> >>> but
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>things
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Cheers
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>> >>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>current
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Paris
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or
>Paris
>> >>>
>> >>> users
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>who
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss
is
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>when
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>folks
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>>MR
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> happened
>> >>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but
its
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>time
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>move
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>on.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>> >>>
>> >>> I
>> >>>
>> >>>>>bought
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual
>> 2.0
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>G5.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>Hence
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on
it
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>have
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer
>> of
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>year
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>believe
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Paris
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>Dave
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66603 is a reply to message #66599] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 06:14 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Hi John,
Oh no now you've gone and done it.
:)
John wrote:
> Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does?
> Thanks DJ
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
>>Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually become.
>>Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put
>
> this
>
>>stuff together and see what it can achieve.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:443c54af$1@linux...
>>
>>>Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx.
>
> I
>
>>>think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are
>>
>>searching
>>
>>>for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys and
>>>gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the
>>
>>same
>>
>>>thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically,
>
> or
>
>>>whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT
>
> is
>
>>>working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will
>
> make
>
>>>me better.
>>>Rod
>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Dawfensiveness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
>>
>>WAAAAYYY
>>
>>>>before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about
>
> the
>
>>>>tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is
>>
>>totally
>>
>>>>personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a
>
> PT
>
>>>mix
>>>
>>>>in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats
>
> it
>
>>>for
>>>
>>>>ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will
>>
>>know
>>
>>>>it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer Paris
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the 'sound'
>>>
>>>>doesn't matter and dump to.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:443c155c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Well,
>>>>>
>>>>>I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
>>
>>over
>>
>>>>>the years.
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
>>>
>>>>>either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>>>once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I think
>>>
>>>we
>>>
>>>>>can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on various
>>>
>>>>>platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>>If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
>>>
>>>feel
>>>
>>>>>"inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
>
> own
>
>>>>>sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features than
>>>
>>>>>Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>>>>>
>>>>>This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
>>
>>around
>>
>>>>>here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
>>>>>current daw wars..
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>TC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Cox wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it
>
> is
>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
>>
>>great
>>
>>>>>>help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
>>
>>other
>>
>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
>>
>>all
>>
>>>>>>should
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>be welcome.
>>>>>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>>
>>Paris
>>
>>>>>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>>
>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than Paris.
>>>
>>> It
>>>
>>>>>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>>
>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help
>
> our
>
>>>>>>>>group
>>>>>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out,
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>>>>>your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him
>
> so
>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>>>speak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
>>
>>don't
>>
>>>>>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>>>>>>>>people
>>>>>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>>>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
>>>
>>>)
>>>
>>>>>>raved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not
>
> so
>
>>>>>>>>sure
>>>>>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
>>
>>here
>>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>>>
>>>Some
>>>
>>>>>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived
>
> as
>
>>>>>>>>being
>>>>>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
>>
>>people
>>
>>>>>>love
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>>>>>>>>working
>>>>>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come
>>
>>out
>>
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>>
>>>>>>>>useable.
>>>>>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>>
>>>>>>>>vary
>>>>>>>>hard to beat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
>
> or
>
>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
>
> Many
>
>>>>>>>>feel
>>>>>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For
>>
>>some
>>
>>>>>>people
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do. However,
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>>>>>>>>equipment
>>>>>>>>you use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>>>>>>>>really
>>>>>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
>>>
>>>cost
>>>
>>>>>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville,
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>>>>Austin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>>>>>>>>instruments,
>>>>>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company wants
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
>
> 9000
>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and
>>
>>your
>>
>>>>>>>talking
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the world.
>>>
>>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By
>
> the
>
>>>>>>>>way,
>>>>>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>>
>>saying
>>
>>>>>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
>>
>>users.
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Steve,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
>
> two
>
>>>>>>>>>weeks
>>>>>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave
>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>well
>>>>>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to.
>>
>>OK?
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>>>>>>>>>encouraging
>>>>>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>>>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>>>>>>>>>>>still.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Alot
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools
>
> rep
>
>>>>>>less
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the
>>>
>>>new
>>>
>>>>>>>console
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>>>>Paris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
>>
>>still
>>
>>>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6
>>
>>years,
>>
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>>>>>>Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>>
>>current
>>
>>>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or
>>
>>Paris
>>
>>>>>>users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss
>
> is
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>happened
>>>>>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but
>
> its
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>time
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>move
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>bought
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual
>>>
>>>2.0
>>>
>>>>>>>>G5.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hence
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on
>
> it
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>>
>>believe
>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
--
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ADK
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66604 is a reply to message #66537] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 06:19 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
|
Senior Member |
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HI,
Yes well put.
Ummm by Paul's philosophy I guess I shouldn't post here anymore sense I
don't own ...:(
Chris
TC wrote:
> Well,
>
> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
> over the years.
>
> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move on
> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>
> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
> of this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I
> think we can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on
> various platforms.
>
> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
> feel "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
> own sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features
> than Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>
> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
> around here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here
> than current daw wars..
>
> Cheers,
>
> TC
>
>
>
>
> Steve Cox wrote:
>
>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it
>>> is and
>>> it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
>>
>>
>> help
>>
>>> !
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
>>>> other
>>>
>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>> aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think all
>>
>>
>> should
>>
>>>> be welcome.
>>>> For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>>>> Paris
>>>> users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>>> things
>>>> like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than
>>>> Paris. It
>>>> is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>>> have
>>>> actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our
>>>> group
>>>> much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out, or
>>>
>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>> getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so to
>>>
>>>
>>> speak.
>>>
>>>> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
>>>> don't
>>>> drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>>>> people
>>>> to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed; )
>>
>>
>> raved
>>
>>>> about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so
>>>> sure
>>>> that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
>>
>>
>> that
>>
>>>> thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>>>> Some
>>>> times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as
>>>> being
>>>> better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
>>
>>
>> love
>>
>>>> the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>>>> working
>>>> methods of newer software. There will always be something to come out
>>
>>
>> that
>>
>>>> will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>>> useable.
>>>> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>>> vary
>>>> hard to beat.
>>>>
>>>> Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
>>>> or are
>>>> considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
>>>> Many feel
>>>> that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
>>
>>
>> people
>>
>>>> this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do.
>>>> However, it
>>>> really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>>>> equipment
>>>> you use.
>>>>
>>>> Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>>>> really
>>>> no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
>>>> cost
>>>> of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville, or
>>
>>
>> Austin,
>>
>>>> then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>>>> instruments,
>>>> so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company
>>>> wants to
>>>> give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
>>>> 9000 and
>>>> a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and your
>>>
>>>
>>> talking
>>>
>>>> sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the
>>>> world. There
>>>> have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By
>>>> the way,
>>>> he still mixes with Paris!
>>>>
>>>> Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>>>> saying
>>>> that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> "Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
>>>>> two weeks
>>>>> now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave
>>>>> is well
>>>>> respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to. OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>>>>> encouraging
>>>>>> the Paris users How??
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
>>
>>
>> less
>>
>>>>>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the new
>>>
>>>
>>> console
>>>
>>>>>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paris,
>>>>
>>>>>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
>>>>>>> still
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> running
>>>>
>>>>>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
>>
>>
>> but
>>
>>>>>> things
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Dave
>>>>>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paris
>>>>
>>>>>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>
>>
>> users
>>
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> folks
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>>
>>
>> I
>>
>>>> bought
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual 2.0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> G5.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hence
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>>>>> achieve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
--
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66605 is a reply to message #66599] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 06:46 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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not really.............not in a day, at least. I'd have to hire Thad to
write a 90,000 word *picture book* for it.
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:443cdf7f$1@linux...
>
> Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does?
> Thanks DJ
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
> >Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually
become.
> >Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put
> this
> >stuff together and see what it can achieve.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> >news:443c54af$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase sx.
> I
> >> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who are
> >searching
> >> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys
and
> >> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be the
> >same
> >> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically,
> or
> >> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If PT
> is
> >> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will
> make
> >> me better.
> >> Rod
> >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >> >> Dawfensiveness
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
> >WAAAAYYY
> >>
> >> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about
> the
> >>
> >> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that is
> >totally
> >>
> >> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out a
> PT
> >> mix
> >> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats
> it
> >> for
> >> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone will
> >know
> >>
> >> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer
Paris
> >> in
> >> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the
'sound'
> >>
> >> >doesn't matter and dump to.
> >> >
> >> >AA
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
> >> >news:443c155c$1@linux...
> >> >> Well,
> >> >>
> >> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
> >over
> >>
> >> >> the years.
> >> >>
> >> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are
eventually
> >>
> >> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or
move
> >> on
> >> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the
spirit
> >> of
> >> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I
think
> >> we
> >> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on
various
> >>
> >> >> platforms.
> >> >>
> >> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris
user
> >> feel
> >> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
> own
> >>
> >> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features
than
> >>
> >> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
> >> >>
> >> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
> >around
> >>
> >> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
> >> >> current daw wars..
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >>
> >> >> TC
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve Cox wrote:
> >> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
> >> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it
> is
> >>
> >> >>>>and
> >> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
> >great
> >> >>>
> >> >>> help
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>!
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>John
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
> >other
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>people
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
> >all
> >> >>>
> >> >>> should
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>be welcome.
> >> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
> >Paris
> >> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by
saying
> >>
> >> >>>>>things
> >> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than
Paris.
> >> It
> >> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT
users
> >>
> >> >>>>>have
> >> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help
> our
> >>
> >> >>>>>group
> >> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing
out,
> >> or
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>your
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him
> so
> >> to
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>speak.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
> >don't
> >> >>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
> >> >>>>>people
> >> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
> >> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
> >> )
> >> >>>
> >> >>> raved
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not
> so
> >>
> >> >>>>>sure
> >> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
> >here
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
> >> Some
> >> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived
> as
> >>
> >> >>>>>being
> >> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
> >people
> >> >>>
> >> >>> love
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
> >> >>>>>working
> >> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to come
> >out
> >> >>>
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and
vary
> >>
> >> >>>>>useable.
> >> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris
becomes
> >>
> >> >>>>>vary
> >> >>>>>hard to beat.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
> or
> >>
> >> >>>>>are
> >> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
> Many
> >>
> >> >>>>>feel
> >> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For
> >some
> >> >>>
> >> >>> people
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do.
However,
> >> it
> >> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
> >> >>>>>equipment
> >> >>>>>you use.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
> >> >>>>>really
> >> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus
the
> >> cost
> >> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A.,
Nashville,
> >> or
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Austin,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
> >> >>>>>instruments,
> >> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company
wants
> >> to
> >> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
> 9000
> >>
> >> >>>>>and
> >> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and
> >your
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>talking
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the
world.
> >>
> >> >>>>>There
> >> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By
> the
> >>
> >> >>>>>way,
> >> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
> >saying
> >> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
> >users.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Steve,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
> two
> >>
> >> >>>>>>weeks
> >> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave
> is
> >>
> >> >>>>>>well
> >> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to.
> >OK?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Dave,
> >> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
> >> >>>>>>>encouraging
> >> >>>>>>>the Paris users How??
> >> >>>>>>>Steve
> >> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Howdy all,
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
> >> >>>>>>>> still.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>Alot
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools
> rep
> >> >>>
> >> >>> less
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes
the
> >> new
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>console
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
> >> >>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as
opposed
> >> to
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Paris,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
> >still
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>running
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6
> >years,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> but
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>things
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
> >> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>Cheers
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
> >> >>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
> >current
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>Paris
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or
> >Paris
> >> >>>
> >> >>> users
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>who
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss
> is
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>when
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>folks
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
> >> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
> >> >>>>>>>>>MR
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris
tracking
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> happened
> >> >>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but
> its
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>time
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>to
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>move
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>on.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this
week.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>bought
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a
dual
> >> 2.0
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>G5.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>Hence
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on
> it
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>have
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won
Engineer/producer
> >> of
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>the
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>year
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
> >believe
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>Paris
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios
couldnt
> >>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>achieve.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>Dave
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66609 is a reply to message #66605] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 07:57 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>not really.............not in a day, at least. I'd have to hire Thad to
>write a 90,000 word *picture book* for it.
>
>;o)
>
But there would be no Mac pictures; )
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:443cdf7f$1@linux...
>>
>> Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does?
>> Thanks DJ
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
>> >Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually
>become.
>> >Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put
>> this
>> >stuff together and see what it can achieve.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:443c54af$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase
sx.
>> I
>> >> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who
are
>> >searching
>> >> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys
>and
>> >> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be
the
>> >same
>> >> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically,
>> or
>> >> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If
PT
>> is
>> >> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will
>> make
>> >> me better.
>> >> Rod
>> >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> >> >> Dawfensiveness
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
>> >WAAAAYYY
>> >>
>> >> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that
is
>> >totally
>> >>
>> >> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out
a
>> PT
>> >> mix
>> >> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats
>> it
>> >> for
>> >> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone
will
>> >know
>> >>
>> >> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer
>Paris
>> >> in
>> >> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the
>'sound'
>> >>
>> >> >doesn't matter and dump to.
>> >> >
>> >> >AA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>> >> >news:443c155c$1@linux...
>> >> >> Well,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in
all
>> >over
>> >>
>> >> >> the years.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are
>eventually
>> >>
>> >> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or
>move
>> >> on
>> >> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the
>spirit
>> >> of
>> >> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and
I
>think
>> >> we
>> >> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on
>various
>> >>
>> >> >> platforms.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris
>user
>> >> feel
>> >> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
>> own
>> >>
>> >> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features
>than
>> >>
>> >> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
>> >around
>> >>
>> >> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
>> >> >> current daw wars..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Cox wrote:
>> >> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>> >> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy
it
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>and
>> >> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
>> >great
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> help
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>John
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not
that
>> >other
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>people
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
>> >all
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> should
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>be welcome.
>> >> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>> >Paris
>> >> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by
>saying
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>things
>> >> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than
>Paris.
>> >> It
>> >> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT
>users
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>have
>> >> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help
>> our
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>group
>> >> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing
>out,
>> >> or
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>your
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with
him
>> so
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>speak.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok,
but
>> >don't
>> >> >>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>> >> >>>>>people
>> >> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>> >> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
>> >> )
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> raved
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is
not
>> so
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>sure
>> >> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
>> >here
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>> >> Some
>> >> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived
>> as
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>being
>> >> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
>> >people
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> love
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and
the
>> >> >>>>>working
>> >> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to
come
>> >out
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and
>vary
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>useable.
>> >> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris
>becomes
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>vary
>> >> >>>>>hard to beat.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
>> or
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>are
>> >> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
>> Many
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>feel
>> >> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business.
For
>> >some
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> people
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do.
>However,
>> >> it
>> >> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>> >> >>>>>equipment
>> >> >>>>>you use.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there
is
>> >> >>>>>really
>> >> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus
>the
>> >> cost
>> >> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A.,
>Nashville,
>> >> or
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Austin,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>> >> >>>>>instruments,
>> >> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company
>wants
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
>> 9000
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record,
and
>> >your
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>talking
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the
>world.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>There
>> >> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT.
By
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>way,
>> >> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>> >saying
>> >> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
>> >users.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Steve,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
>> two
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>weeks
>> >> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging.
Dave
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>well
>> >> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats
to.
>> >OK?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Dave,
>> >> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>> >> >>>>>>>encouraging
>> >> >>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>> >> >>>>>>>Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop
by
>> >> >>>>>>>> still.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Alot
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools
>> rep
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> less
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes
>the
>> >> new
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>console
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>> >> >>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as
>opposed
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Paris,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris.
Im
>> >still
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>running
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend
6
>> >years,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> but
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>things
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Cheers
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>> >> >>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>> >current
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Paris
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems,
or
>> >Paris
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> users
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>who
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>when
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>folks
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>MR
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris
>tracking
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> happened
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but
>> its
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>time
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>to
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>move
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>on.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this
>week.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>bought
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a
>dual
>> >> 2.0
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>G5.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Hence
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records
on
>> it
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>have
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won
>Engineer/producer
>> >> of
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>year
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>> >believe
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Paris
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios
>couldnt
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go
yet.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>Dave
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66612 is a reply to message #66605] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 08:58 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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You're making it real hard for us to follow along. All I know so far is how
to get a bear in a bird feeder !
John
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>not really.............not in a day, at least. I'd have to hire Thad to
>write a 90,000 word *picture book* for it.
>
>;o)
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:443cdf7f$1@linux...
>>
>> Can you describe what your cubase/paris hybrid is and does?
>> Thanks DJ
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >With the exception of a few occasional rough spots here and there, my
>> >Cubase/Paris hybrid is exactly what I hoped Paris would eventually
>become.
>> >Just because Paris stopped doesn't mean we did. I think it's fun to put
>> this
>> >stuff together and see what it can achieve.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> >news:443c54af$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Yeah, I still use Paris as main DAW, although I augment with cubase
sx.
>> I
>> >> think of the spirit of this newsgroup to have evolved as those who
are
>> >searching
>> >> for the best way to do their thang with music, and share it.... guys
>and
>> >> gals that aren't swayed by popular opinion, unless it happens to be
the
>> >same
>> >> thing that works for them sonically, or logistically, or ergonomically,
>> or
>> >> whatever, and are willing to share, or learn. I say, bring it on. If
PT
>> is
>> >> working for you, and you can tell me how...I'll listen. Maybe it will
>> make
>> >> me better.
>> >> Rod
>> >> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> >> >> Dawfensiveness
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Dude, I love that term. And your right. Look at all the hits made
>> >WAAAAYYY
>> >>
>> >> >before we even had computers, much less DAWs. It ain't as much about
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >tools as it is about the capturing of the moment. How you do that
is
>> >totally
>> >>
>> >> >personal and up to each of us. Sure, I can spank the daylights out
a
>> PT
>> >> mix
>> >> >in level with Paris, but then again Paris midi sucks. Use what floats
>> it
>> >> for
>> >> >ya, I say. Use it how it floats it for ya. If it's good, everyone
will
>> >know
>> >>
>> >> >it when they hear it, and the means doesn't matter. I still prefer
>Paris
>> >> in
>> >> >a big way, but I program midi/song structures elsewhere where the
>'sound'
>> >>
>> >> >doesn't matter and dump to.
>> >> >
>> >> >AA
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"TC" <tc@spammetodeathyoubastards.org> wrote in message
>> >> >news:443c155c$1@linux...
>> >> >> Well,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in
all
>> >over
>> >>
>> >> >> the years.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are
>eventually
>> >>
>> >> >> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or
>move
>> >> on
>> >> >> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the
>spirit
>> >> of
>> >> >> this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and
I
>think
>> >> we
>> >> >> can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info on
>various
>> >>
>> >> >> platforms.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris
>user
>> >> feel
>> >> >> "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
>> own
>> >>
>> >> >> sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features
>than
>> >>
>> >> >> Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
>> >around
>> >>
>> >> >> here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here than
>> >> >> current daw wars..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> TC
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve Cox wrote:
>> >> >>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>> >> >>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy
it
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>and
>> >> >>>>it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's
>> >great
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> help
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>!
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>John
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not
that
>> >other
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>people
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
>> >all
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> should
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>be welcome.
>> >> >>>>>For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>> >Paris
>> >> >>>>>users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by
>saying
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>things
>> >> >>>>>like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than
>Paris.
>> >> It
>> >> >>>>>is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT
>users
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>have
>> >> >>>>>actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help
>> our
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>group
>> >> >>>>>much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing
>out,
>> >> or
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>your
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with
him
>> so
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>speak.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok,
but
>> >don't
>> >> >>>>>drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>> >> >>>>>people
>> >> >>>>>to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>> >> >>>>>I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
>> >> )
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> raved
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is
not
>> so
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>sure
>> >> >>>>>that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys
>> >here
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>> >> Some
>> >> >>>>>times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived
>> as
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>being
>> >> >>>>>better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some
>> >people
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> love
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and
the
>> >> >>>>>working
>> >> >>>>>methods of newer software. There will always be something to
come
>> >out
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and
>vary
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>useable.
>> >> >>>>>When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris
>becomes
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>vary
>> >> >>>>>hard to beat.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
>> or
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>are
>> >> >>>>>considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
>> Many
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>feel
>> >> >>>>>that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business.
For
>> >some
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> people
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do.
>However,
>> >> it
>> >> >>>>>really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>> >> >>>>>equipment
>> >> >>>>>you use.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there
is
>> >> >>>>>really
>> >> >>>>>no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus
>the
>> >> cost
>> >> >>>>>of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A.,
>Nashville,
>> >> or
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Austin,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>> >> >>>>>instruments,
>> >> >>>>>so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company
>wants
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
>> 9000
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>and
>> >> >>>>>a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record,
and
>> >your
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>talking
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the
>world.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>There
>> >> >>>>>have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT.
By
>> the
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>way,
>> >> >>>>>he still mixes with Paris!
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>> >saying
>> >> >>>>>that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris
>> >users.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>"Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Steve,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
>> two
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>weeks
>> >> >>>>>>now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging.
Dave
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>well
>> >> >>>>>>respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats
to.
>> >OK?
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>"Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Dave,
>> >> >>>>>>>This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>> >> >>>>>>>encouraging
>> >> >>>>>>>the Paris users How??
>> >> >>>>>>>Steve
>> >> >>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Howdy all,
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop
by
>> >> >>>>>>>> still.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>Alot
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools
>> rep
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> less
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes
>the
>> >> new
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>console
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>and surrounding furniture.
>> >> >>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as
>opposed
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Paris,
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris.
Im
>> >still
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>running
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend
6
>> >years,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> but
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>things
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>Cheers
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Hey Dave
>> >> >>>>>>>>>You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>> >current
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>Paris
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems,
or
>> >Paris
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> users
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>who
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss
>> is
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>when
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>folks
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>MR
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>>news:441d9384$1@linux...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>Howdy all.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris
>tracking
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> happened
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but
>> its
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>time
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>to
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>move
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>on.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this
>week.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>bought
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a
>dual
>> >> 2.0
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>G5.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>Hence
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>the excitement.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records
on
>> it
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>have
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>done quite well here in Australia. I have won
>Engineer/producer
>> >> of
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>the
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>year
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>> >believe
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>Paris
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>added something to my sound that other digital studios
>couldnt
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>achieve.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go
yet.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>Dave
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66619 is a reply to message #66595] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 10:33 |
dave Parkin
Messages: 24
Registered: August 2005
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Junior Member |
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Since i put my 2 cents in about the pro tools mix bus, ive had nothing but
grief from this group. If you install PT's rigs for a living, you must be
completely aware of the superior sound quality. Its great Paris still works
for you, but theres alot better sounding stuff out there now. Im past the
point of being PC about it all, its just the facts.
Higher sample rates, amazing pluggins, motorised faders, routing sounds
wherever your creativity takes you, and most of all, product support and
ongoing development into the future.
Ive had some emails from some of you trying to prove that Paris is better
than all this. If thats what you think, Im Ok with that, but its time to
look at the ever impressive world of other Daws.
I was being nice about this at first, but a handful of you made a simple
post of mine into a war.
Cheers
"DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
>
>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external pres,
>>and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro tools
>>for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing.
>
>
>It's got good mic pres in it, you should try them. Where it bites
>you is when you use the onboard control room monitoring circuits.
>They sound lousy and use up 192 I/O outputs. Also, every mic
>pre from the control 24 that you use will take up an analog input
>on the 192 just like an outboard mic pre because there is no A-D
>conversion in the Control 24.
>
>
>>Sounds
>>like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
>
>Sounds like you jump to conclusions a lot. I am on no other DAW
>forums. I design and install studios and PT's systems.
>That's how I know these things.
>
>
>> paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first choice
>>of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the fall
>>down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over was
>>enormous.
>
>
>Dave, no one minds that you left Paris. really. It still works for
>me, and I will use it as long as I can, then I will probably get into
>Sequoia.
>
>DC
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66620 is a reply to message #66604] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 10:48 |
Pauln[1]
Messages: 19
Registered: February 2007
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Junior Member |
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>Ummm by Paul's philosophy I guess I shouldn't post here anymore sense I don't
own ...:(
Um Chris, I believe my post was defending just the opposite. Go back and
read it again. I've been part this group since 1998 and have never discouraged
anyone from posting.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI,
>Yes well put.
>
>Ummm by Paul's philosophy I guess I shouldn't post here anymore sense I
>don't own ...:(
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>TC wrote:
>
>> Well,
>>
>> I use PT HD, Logic 7 and Paris, with considerable investments in all
>> over the years.
>>
>> The fact that Paris is no longer made means that people are eventually
>> either going to supplement their workflow with other systems, or move
on
>> once the hardware is no longer easy to come by.
>>
>> Dawfensiveness is just plain silly. That hasn't really been the spirit
>> of this NG (although it has been touchy in the past at times) and I
>> think we can all keep an open mind and help each other with good info
on
>> various platforms.
>>
>> If someone's moving to HD is going to somehow make another Paris user
>> feel "inadequate" about their system, then so be it. Paris can hold it's
>> own sonically, and other systems will continue to have more features
>> than Paris, but that's just the way it goes.
>>
>> This place has always been a step above other NG's since I've been
>> around here (1998), and it's aways been more about the community here
>> than current daw wars..
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> TC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Cox wrote:
>>
>>> Hey John, Point taken...Steve
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I ever get PT I'll be here telling everyone how good or lousy it
>>>> is and
>>>> it WILL help paris users decide to keep paris or move on. That's great
>>>
>>>
>>> help
>>>
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Steve has a good point, this is the Paris news group, not that
>>>>> other
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> aren't welcome! Both guys are entitled to their opinion. I think
all
>>>
>>>
>>> should
>>>
>>>>> be welcome.
>>>>> For some time there has been a migration away from Paris by former
>>>>> Paris
>>>>> users. Some people have tried to justify their own choice by saying
>>>>> things
>>>>> like the waters are safe in PT land, or PT sounds better than
>>>>> Paris. It
>>>>> is discouraging to paris users, and kind of trolling. Some PT users
>>>>> have
>>>>> actually come here in the past just to troll, and it didn't help our
>>>>> group
>>>>> much. It is psychological, it makes you feel like your missing out,
or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>> getting left behind. When BT left, a lot of people went with him so
to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> speak.
>>>>
>>>>> For the others that are going to switch, if you got to go, Ok, but
>>>>> don't
>>>>> drag people away with you by knocking Paris. We need to encourage
>>>>> people
>>>>> to stick around. This NG is shrinking!
>>>>> I remember vary well a certain somebody, who I will leave unnamed;
)
>>>
>>>
>>> raved
>>>
>>>>> about Nuendo for months on end. Now that certain somebody is not so
>>>>> sure
>>>>> that Nuendo is better sounding than Paris! ; ) A couple of guys here
>>>
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> thought Nuendo was the answer to Paris are now questioning Nuendo.
>>>>> Some
>>>>> times other stuff just sounds different, and initially perceived as
>>>>> being
>>>>> better. Of course paris was left behind feature wise, and some people
>>>
>>>
>>> love
>>>
>>>>> the whiz-bang of all that. Others prefer the capabilities and the
>>>>> working
>>>>> methods of newer software. There will always be something to come
out
>>>
>>>
>>> that
>>>
>>>>> will be more slick than Paris. Paris is still pretty slick and vary
>>>>> useable.
>>>>> When combined with a second DAW for effect processing, Paris becomes
>>>>> vary
>>>>> hard to beat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many Paris commercial studio owners have expressed that they have,
>>>>> or are
>>>>> considering going with PT because it's "The industry standard".
>>>>> Many feel
>>>>> that if they don't jump to PT that they are losing business. For some
>>>
>>>
>>> people
>>>
>>>>> this is the case, and they need to do what they need to do.
>>>>> However, it
>>>>> really should be based on the quality of the end result, not the
>>>>> equipment
>>>>> you use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody has different needs. For most project studios, there is
>>>>> really
>>>>> no need for an expensive system like PT, or 2K for Nuendo, plus the
>>>>> cost
>>>>> of hardware. If your in a major market like N.Y., L.A., Nashville,
or
>>>
>>>
>>> Austin,
>>>
>>>>> then PT makes sense. For myself, I'm more in to recording live
>>>>> instruments,
>>>>> so paris works fine and sounds great. The day a record company
>>>>> wants to
>>>>> give me a million dollars to record an album and insist on a SSL
>>>>> 9000 and
>>>>> a PT system, I'll buy them. When it comes to making a record, and
your
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> talking
>>>>
>>>>> sound quality, Paris can stand toe to toe with any DAW in the
>>>>> world. There
>>>>> have been some pretty big records done on Paris, just ask BT. By
>>>>> the way,
>>>>> he still mixes with Paris!
>>>>>
>>>>> Opinions are Ok, but I feel that post about PT that are in effect
>>>>> saying
>>>>> that PT is better than Paris, are not all that helpful to Paris users.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> "Paul" <paul@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does YOUR post help this newsgroup? You've been here what...
>>>>>> two weeks
>>>>>> now and this isn't the first time you've come out swinging. Dave
>>>>>> is well
>>>>>> respected here and welcome to post whatever the hell he whats to.
OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve Cox" <stevec1@charter.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>> This being a Paris forum and all,.... your post is helping and
>>>>>>> encouraging
>>>>>>> the Paris users How??
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Howdy all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Havent dropped by in a month or so. Ill endeavour to drop by
>>>>>>>> still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of interesting posts to shuffle through....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My PT's rig is going very well. It took me and the pro tools rep
>>>
>>>
>>> less
>>>
>>>>>>>> than 48 hours to completely swap over systems. That includes the
new
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> console
>>>>
>>>>>>>> and surrounding furniture.
>>>>>>>> The main difference to me with the mix bus in PT's, as opposed
to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paris,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is how much larger it is. Its easier to get cloudy in Paris. Im
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> running
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> at 48KHz on PT's. Paris certainly was a great way to spend 6 years,
>>>
>>>
>>> but
>>>
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> really have progressed in the Digidesign world.
>>>>>>>> Just a few thoughts.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Dave
>>>>>>>>> You know, this group could almost be newly titled to include
>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> users and Paris users who have moved on to other systems, or Paris
>>>
>>>
>>> users
>>>
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are using other systems with Paris. For me the greatest loss is
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> leave Paris and then this NG. I hope you'll stick around.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> MR
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:441d9384$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Howdy all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sad but exciting moment has arrived. My last Paris tracking
>>>>>>>>>> happened
>>>>>>>>>> tonight. Six years Paris has been a loyal friend to me, but its
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My Pro Tools rig has arrived, and Im setting it up this week.
>>>
>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>>> bought
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a Pro tools HD3 accel PCI-e rig, with a control 24, and a dual
2.0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> G5.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hence
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the excitement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> paris has treated me well. Ive done a number of records on it
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> done quite well here in Australia. I have won Engineer/producer
of
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for the last 2 years here in Western Australia, and I truly
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> added something to my sound that other digital studios couldnt
>>>>>>>>>> achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am keeping my Paris rig, cuz i cant entirely let go yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers to ya all.!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66622 is a reply to message #66619] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 10:54 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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Senior Member |
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Dave,
I think the PT mix bus sounds just fine and I don't think that's what DC was
saying. There seems to be an issue with the circuitry in the monitoring
section of the Control 24 needing to be bypassed in order to hear the PT mix
bus. I just got off the phone with Ed Stasuim a few minutes ago. He's got a
pretty respectable PT HD system at his studio here and he monitors through a
passive volume control. His system sounds great BTW. It's the one that
really opened my eyes as to how far PT has come sonically. This guy has gold
and platinum records all over his studio walls so you're in good company ;o)
Anyway, I'm hoping this isn't taken as some kind of slam and more like
offering useful info to help you achieve what you're looking for.
Best regards,
Deej
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:443d39fb$1@linux...
>
> Since i put my 2 cents in about the pro tools mix bus, ive had nothing but
> grief from this group. If you install PT's rigs for a living, you must be
> completely aware of the superior sound quality. Its great Paris still
works
> for you, but theres alot better sounding stuff out there now. Im past the
> point of being PC about it all, its just the facts.
>
> Higher sample rates, amazing pluggins, motorised faders, routing
sounds
> wherever your creativity takes you, and most of all, product support and
> ongoing development into the future.
>
> Ive had some emails from some of you trying to prove that Paris is
better
> than all this. If thats what you think, Im Ok with that, but its time to
> look at the ever impressive world of other Daws.
>
> I was being nice about this at first, but a handful of you made a
simple
> post of mine into a war.
> Cheers
>
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external
pres,
> >>and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro
tools
> >>for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing.
> >
> >
> >It's got good mic pres in it, you should try them. Where it bites
> >you is when you use the onboard control room monitoring circuits.
> >They sound lousy and use up 192 I/O outputs. Also, every mic
> >pre from the control 24 that you use will take up an analog input
> >on the 192 just like an outboard mic pre because there is no A-D
> >conversion in the Control 24.
> >
> >
> >>Sounds
> >>like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
> >
> >Sounds like you jump to conclusions a lot. I am on no other DAW
> >forums. I design and install studios and PT's systems.
> >That's how I know these things.
> >
> >
> >> paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first choice
> >>of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the
fall
> >>down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over
was
> >>enormous.
> >
> >
> >Dave, no one minds that you left Paris. really. It still works for
> >me, and I will use it as long as I can, then I will probably get into
> >Sequoia.
> >
> >DC
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66625 is a reply to message #66622] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 11:36 |
dave Parkin
Messages: 24
Registered: August 2005
|
Junior Member |
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Im not talking about the C24 monitor section. I addressed that in an earlier
post. Im talking bout the way i got nailed, just for liking the pt's mix
bus more than the paris one.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Dave,
>
>I think the PT mix bus sounds just fine and I don't think that's what DC
was
>saying. There seems to be an issue with the circuitry in the monitoring
>section of the Control 24 needing to be bypassed in order to hear the PT
mix
>bus. I just got off the phone with Ed Stasuim a few minutes ago. He's got
a
>pretty respectable PT HD system at his studio here and he monitors through
a
>passive volume control. His system sounds great BTW. It's the one that
>really opened my eyes as to how far PT has come sonically. This guy has
gold
>and platinum records all over his studio walls so you're in good company
;o)
>
>Anyway, I'm hoping this isn't taken as some kind of slam and more like
>offering useful info to help you achieve what you're looking for.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Deej
>
>"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
>news:443d39fb$1@linux...
>>
>> Since i put my 2 cents in about the pro tools mix bus, ive had nothing
but
>> grief from this group. If you install PT's rigs for a living, you must
be
>> completely aware of the superior sound quality. Its great Paris still
>works
>> for you, but theres alot better sounding stuff out there now. Im past
the
>> point of being PC about it all, its just the facts.
>>
>> Higher sample rates, amazing pluggins, motorised faders, routing
>sounds
>> wherever your creativity takes you, and most of all, product support and
>> ongoing development into the future.
>>
>> Ive had some emails from some of you trying to prove that Paris is
>better
>> than all this. If thats what you think, Im Ok with that, but its time
to
>> look at the ever impressive world of other Daws.
>>
>> I was being nice about this at first, but a handful of you made a
>simple
>> post of mine into a war.
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external
>pres,
>> >>and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro
>tools
>> >>for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing.
>> >
>> >
>> >It's got good mic pres in it, you should try them. Where it bites
>> >you is when you use the onboard control room monitoring circuits.
>> >They sound lousy and use up 192 I/O outputs. Also, every mic
>> >pre from the control 24 that you use will take up an analog input
>> >on the 192 just like an outboard mic pre because there is no A-D
>> >conversion in the Control 24.
>> >
>> >
>> >>Sounds
>> >>like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
>> >
>> >Sounds like you jump to conclusions a lot. I am on no other DAW
>> >forums. I design and install studios and PT's systems.
>> >That's how I know these things.
>> >
>> >
>> >> paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first choice
>> >>of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the
>fall
>> >>down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over
>was
>> >>enormous.
>> >
>> >
>> >Dave, no one minds that you left Paris. really. It still works for
>> >me, and I will use it as long as I can, then I will probably get into
>> >Sequoia.
>> >
>> >DC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Bye Paris [message #66626 is a reply to message #66625] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 11:30 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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|
Hmmmm.......OK then. I haven't followed all the posts.
"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:443d489e$1@linux...
>
> Im not talking about the C24 monitor section. I addressed that in an
earlier
> post. Im talking bout the way i got nailed, just for liking the pt's mix
> bus more than the paris one.
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Dave,
> >
> >I think the PT mix bus sounds just fine and I don't think that's what DC
> was
> >saying. There seems to be an issue with the circuitry in the monitoring
> >section of the Control 24 needing to be bypassed in order to hear the PT
> mix
> >bus. I just got off the phone with Ed Stasuim a few minutes ago. He's
got
> a
> >pretty respectable PT HD system at his studio here and he monitors
through
> a
> >passive volume control. His system sounds great BTW. It's the one that
> >really opened my eyes as to how far PT has come sonically. This guy has
> gold
> >and platinum records all over his studio walls so you're in good company
> ;o)
> >
> >Anyway, I'm hoping this isn't taken as some kind of slam and more like
> >offering useful info to help you achieve what you're looking for.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote in message
> >news:443d39fb$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Since i put my 2 cents in about the pro tools mix bus, ive had nothing
> but
> >> grief from this group. If you install PT's rigs for a living, you must
> be
> >> completely aware of the superior sound quality. Its great Paris still
> >works
> >> for you, but theres alot better sounding stuff out there now. Im past
> the
> >> point of being PC about it all, its just the facts.
> >>
> >> Higher sample rates, amazing pluggins, motorised faders, routing
> >sounds
> >> wherever your creativity takes you, and most of all, product support
and
> >> ongoing development into the future.
> >>
> >> Ive had some emails from some of you trying to prove that Paris is
> >better
> >> than all this. If thats what you think, Im Ok with that, but its time
> to
> >> look at the ever impressive world of other Daws.
> >>
> >> I was being nice about this at first, but a handful of you made a
> >simple
> >> post of mine into a war.
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "DC" <dc@spamthemoon.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Dave Parkin" <dave@blackbirdstudio.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>I dont use any analogue from the control 24. I have a lot of external
> >pres,
> >> >>and a central station. The control 24 is purely a controller for Pro
> >tools
> >> >>for me. I dont get what you are saying in regards to the I/O thing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >It's got good mic pres in it, you should try them. Where it bites
> >> >you is when you use the onboard control room monitoring circuits.
> >> >They sound lousy and use up 192 I/O outputs. Also, every mic
> >> >pre from the control 24 that you use will take up an analog input
> >> >on the 192 just like an outboard mic pre because there is no A-D
> >> >conversion in the Control 24.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>Sounds
> >> >>like youve been on a few forums reading too much shit.
> >> >
> >> >Sounds like you jump to conclusions a lot. I am on no other DAW
> >> >forums. I design and install studios and PT's systems.
> >> >That's how I know these things.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> paris is awesome, but i dont believe it could be anyones first
choice
> >> >>of Daw these days, seeing as its dead. I remained on Paris after the
> >fall
> >> >>down for all those years, purely because the expense of changing over
> >was
> >> >>enormous.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dave, no one minds that you left Paris. really. It still works for
> >> >me, and I will use it as long as I can, then I will probably get into
> >> >Sequoia.
> >> >
> >> >DC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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