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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97562 is a reply to message #97560] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 12:51   |
rick
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explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
enlighten me.
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
<richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots" into
>the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to monitor
>world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
>warming.
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> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-ocean.html
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>Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
>increasing in mass?
>
>http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
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>Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
>Rich
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97566 is a reply to message #97562] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 15:19 |
Rich Lamanna
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Rick, the scientific way is to look at the data and make a determination.
Validity is based on the scientific method and empirical data, not junk
science. The jury is not out, Al Gore is far from being a scientist. There
are over 400 real scientists who's studies dispute anthropogenic global
warming and CO2 as the cause. I don't know about you but my car and boat use
petrol and if the shmucks at the UN are pushing a certain view, with a
political agenda, which affects the world economy and especially the US, and
what I pay for gas, then my liberties are compromised. That's why I want the
truth and so should you. I don't have a problem with new technologies that
are environmentally friendly, if they work and if they are cheap and won't
propagate the economic meltdown we're experiencing. One of the biggest
farces out there is Bio Fuels. It takes about 4 times as much energy to
produce ethanol than is liberated from its burning. And it's causing
increases in the cost of corn which in turn has caused increases in
everything that eats corn, i.e.. cows and omnivores. The government
subsidizes its production which increases taxes on you and I. I'm tired of
the bull, how about you?
Rich
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0a7tu3lk2r4s6i5ucm2egkqoc3t00l1nul@4ax.com...
> explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
> possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
> just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
> acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
> enlighten me.
>
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots" into
> >the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
monitor
> >world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
> >warming.
> >
>
> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-
ocean.html
> >
> >Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
> >increasing in mass?
> >
> >http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
> >
> >Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
> >Rich
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97567 is a reply to message #97563] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 15:25 |
Rich Lamanna
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Yes, you're right. I did hear about this. I think it's possible that ice on
one side of the earth can be increasing while the other decreases. I suppose
this has happened before in the many millennium's of the earth's climate
history. The general group is just....... general. Right, we're gonna get
busted and banned if this gets out of hand :-) Me a Paris terrorist?
Rich
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47eea21f$1@linux...
> Rich,
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> Did they miss this?
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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2059-giant-antarctic-i ce-sheet-breaks-off.html
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> Maybe it's growing on one side and melting on the other?
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> We're both gonna get busted now for posting this here. I was bad and now
all
> the combatants have been banished to the general group. We terrorists can
no
> longer plant bombs here and create carnage amongst civilians.
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> ;o)
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> ;o)
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> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:47ee9f37@linux...
> > Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots"
into
> > the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
monitor
> > world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
> > warming.
> >
> >
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-ocean.html
> >
> > Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
> > increasing in mass?
> >
> > http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
> >
> > Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
> > Rich
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97573 is a reply to message #97566] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 17:47 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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rich, if you read the very first part of my post " it's not that i'm
a huge proponent of the other view" then you would know that i'm not
saying that global warming" is immanent. i would look at the evidence
and make what i would hope to be an educated decision...right or
wrong. however, i do find it a bit ludicrous to as many would suggest
that we as humans (6 +billion) have no impact on the planets
environment.
i fully believe and expect that the earth has it's own natural warming
and cooling cycles. i also believe that we are affected by outside
stellar influences (our sun being the nearest). and as stated above i
believe that the 6+ billion of us do affect our surroundings; possibly
more than the earth and all it's processes can overcome. i also do
not see a problem with trying to live as responsibility as we can and
if that means it costs us a little more to do so then so be it.
i'm already getting #ucked up the ass by the corp leaders who get paid
100's of millions of dollars to mismanage a company into the ground so
what's a few more bucks spent to insure that my granddaughter and her
children also have the opportunity to get the same @ucking? of all
the things to complain about spending money on, i find their future as
the absolute least objectionable. so i say, lets not spend it on the
same old bullshit and spend it on something wothwhile...our...their
future. we've spent trillions on how to destroy the planet, how about
we spend some to..at the least...help it. i don't think that's a
waste of money.
how about instead of the check box for donating money for a political
party on the 1040 we have donate to alternative energy funding? or
stop fathers from @ucking their daughters? or parents from killing
their kids? you know, something useful rather than getting joe/debbie
whoever getting elected to do nothing but bitch about joe/debbie
whoever doing whatever they do and doing nothing but worrying about
getting reelected...now that's a @ucking waste of our money.
god, am i redundant or what???
On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:32 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
<richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Rick, the scientific way is to look at the data and make a determination.
>Validity is based on the scientific method and empirical data, not junk
>science. The jury is not out, Al Gore is far from being a scientist. There
>are over 400 real scientists who's studies dispute anthropogenic global
>warming and CO2 as the cause. I don't know about you but my car and boat use
>petrol and if the shmucks at the UN are pushing a certain view, with a
>political agenda, which affects the world economy and especially the US, and
>what I pay for gas, then my liberties are compromised. That's why I want the
>truth and so should you. I don't have a problem with new technologies that
>are environmentally friendly, if they work and if they are cheap and won't
>propagate the economic meltdown we're experiencing. One of the biggest
>farces out there is Bio Fuels. It takes about 4 times as much energy to
>produce ethanol than is liberated from its burning. And it's causing
>increases in the cost of corn which in turn has caused increases in
>everything that eats corn, i.e.. cows and omnivores. The government
>subsidizes its production which increases taxes on you and I. I'm tired of
>the bull, how about you?
>
>Rich
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:0a7tu3lk2r4s6i5ucm2egkqoc3t00l1nul@4ax.com...
>> explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
>> possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
>> just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
>> acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
>> enlighten me.
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots" into
>> >the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
>monitor
>> >world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
>> >warming.
>> >
>>
>> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-
>ocean.html
>> >
>> >Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
>> >increasing in mass?
>> >
>> >http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
>> >
>> >Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
>> >Rich
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97582 is a reply to message #97573] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 20:19 |
Jamie K
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Here we go again, indeed. :^)
Rich, you're still doing a great job of ignoring most of the evidence
and grasping for whatever you can use to rationalize your existing
position. Which is, if I read your message correctly, that raising the
price you pay for gas is an infringement on your liberties.
Better take that up with Exxon who are losing money hand over fist in a
desperate attempt to keep your gas price affordable. ;^)
I'm sure you're quite right to believe that all the scientists you
ignore are way too dumb to know anything about "natural warming and
cooling cycles." Good thing you're around to correct the experts on
their ignorant oversights. LOL! Good on ya. Heh. BTW:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/02/antarc tica-is-cold/#more-529
I'd be happy to more completely celebrate your non-objective, political
paranoiac knee-jerk reactionism and scientific scapegoatism, which I
love, but A) this is the PARIS group not the General group, B) I like
boats, too, and C) I just got a new bass and it needs to be played...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. Woo, new bass (OK it's used - reuse and recycle)!
rick wrote:
> rich, if you read the very first part of my post " it's not that i'm
> a huge proponent of the other view" then you would know that i'm not
> saying that global warming" is immanent. i would look at the evidence
> and make what i would hope to be an educated decision...right or
> wrong. however, i do find it a bit ludicrous to as many would suggest
> that we as humans (6 +billion) have no impact on the planets
> environment.
>
> i fully believe and expect that the earth has it's own natural warming
> and cooling cycles. i also believe that we are affected by outside
> stellar influences (our sun being the nearest). and as stated above i
> believe that the 6+ billion of us do affect our surroundings; possibly
> more than the earth and all it's processes can overcome. i also do
> not see a problem with trying to live as responsibility as we can and
> if that means it costs us a little more to do so then so be it.
>
> i'm already getting #ucked up the ass by the corp leaders who get paid
> 100's of millions of dollars to mismanage a company into the ground so
> what's a few more bucks spent to insure that my granddaughter and her
> children also have the opportunity to get the same @ucking? of all
> the things to complain about spending money on, i find their future as
> the absolute least objectionable. so i say, lets not spend it on the
> same old bullshit and spend it on something wothwhile...our...their
> future. we've spent trillions on how to destroy the planet, how about
> we spend some to..at the least...help it. i don't think that's a
> waste of money.
>
> how about instead of the check box for donating money for a political
> party on the 1040 we have donate to alternative energy funding? or
> stop fathers from @ucking their daughters? or parents from killing
> their kids? you know, something useful rather than getting joe/debbie
> whoever getting elected to do nothing but bitch about joe/debbie
> whoever doing whatever they do and doing nothing but worrying about
> getting reelected...now that's a @ucking waste of our money.
>
> god, am i redundant or what???
>
> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:32 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Rick, the scientific way is to look at the data and make a determination.
>> Validity is based on the scientific method and empirical data, not junk
>> science. The jury is not out, Al Gore is far from being a scientist. There
>> are over 400 real scientists who's studies dispute anthropogenic global
>> warming and CO2 as the cause. I don't know about you but my car and boat use
>> petrol and if the shmucks at the UN are pushing a certain view, with a
>> political agenda, which affects the world economy and especially the US, and
>> what I pay for gas, then my liberties are compromised. That's why I want the
>> truth and so should you. I don't have a problem with new technologies that
>> are environmentally friendly, if they work and if they are cheap and won't
>> propagate the economic meltdown we're experiencing. One of the biggest
>> farces out there is Bio Fuels. It takes about 4 times as much energy to
>> produce ethanol than is liberated from its burning. And it's causing
>> increases in the cost of corn which in turn has caused increases in
>> everything that eats corn, i.e.. cows and omnivores. The government
>> subsidizes its production which increases taxes on you and I. I'm tired of
>> the bull, how about you?
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0a7tu3lk2r4s6i5ucm2egkqoc3t00l1nul@4ax.com...
>>> explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
>>> possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
>>> just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
>>> acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
>>> enlighten me.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
>>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots" into
>>>> the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
>> monitor
>>>> world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
>>>> warming.
>>>>
>>> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-
>> ocean.html
>>>> Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
>>>> increasing in mass?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
>>>>
>>>> Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97590 is a reply to message #97587] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 22:33 |
Deej [5]
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:47ef1f97$1@linux...
> Hey, it was snowing pretty hard when I drove home from work last night . .
> . late March . . . in Portland! Is it the coming Ice Age?
>
> Here's a thought . . . is it possible that the Earth's natural warming and
> cooling trends could override any effect that we humans have?
>
> Or what if the Earth could actually respond to our efforts to warm it by
> cooling itself triggered by some huge thermostatic mechanism?
>
> Or wait . . . oh dear . . . what if the Earth is just a giant terrarium
> for some highly advanced race of intergalactic aliens, and they're
> adjusting the temperature before they harvest us for food? Bill . . . any
> help on this? Where's my tin foil hat . . .?
>
> S
>
>
Back in 1971 I went on an acid binge and when the paranoid phase of it
kicked in, I was watching TV and Walter Cronkite was talking about nuclear
testing and I decided that the free protons and other stuff that was caused
by splitting atoms was going to affect other atoms and cause them to mutate
and that eventually this would start affecting DNA molecules all over the
earth, even with people who were thousands of miles away because it would be
like a domino theory so as the paranoia grew, it became obvious that not
only were we doing this here, but that our solar system was actually just an
atom in a much larger molecule and that if we were doing this here, then it
was probably happening in a parallel universe too and that it was just a
matter of time before our sun which is nothing more than the nucleus of an
atom was either going to split wide open because it was probably part of a
uranium molecule. At that point I really got paranoid and it was nighttime
so I went outside and started staring at the stars and suddenly I saw this
big shooting star and I knew that this was a particle that was heading to
split the sun and so I figured that since I was gonna die anyway, I'd write
this theory all down so I rolled up a fattie and did just that while I
waited for sunrise. Well, the world didn't end that morning and since I was
a college student at the time and I had a paper due for my political science
class and my prof was a real cool Korean dude named Dr. Kim and he hated the
military industrial complex and nukes I took the paper to class, still
trippin my butt off and turned it in as an essay and everyone looked at me
funny and their faces were melting and there were rainbows crawling up the
walls and lights shooting out of people's noses so I had to leave but this
was the 70's, like I said and the next day everyone thought it was cool and
Dr. Kim didn't look like the catepillar in Through The Looking Glass and he
told me how "imaginative" he thought I was so I felt better...I guess people
back then thought this kinda stuff was normal.
You could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw this a few years
ago.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-pH5WXIsgHo&feature=related
Start the timeline at 9:00.
;oD
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97591 is a reply to message #97589] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 22:59 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Mr. Simplicity wrote:
> Swallow Hill? That's where Aaron and I met up with John last May. When's the
> gig? We had a blast when we were up there. We even drove the wrong way on a
> freeway one night and we weren't even drunk.
Yikes! Glad you survived. It was nice of you guys to come out to see the
band I was playing with back then.
I'm doing a solo show at the legendary Swallow Hill Cafe on Thursday
April 24th. More info: www.JamieKrutz.com/upcomingshows.html
If you make it I will buy you a beer. If Aaron makes it, I will buy you
a second beer so Aaron can better keep you under control. ;^)
If John makes it, I'll get off the stage and let him play! :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:47ef1db1@linux...
>> Mr. Simplicity wrote:
>>> Very cool. Are you playing bass at your live gigs too these days or are
>>> you still in rock star shredder mode?
>> Right now the basses are for recording - new CD in progress (s l o w l y
>> progressing).
>>
>> At gigs I'm still shredding on guitar and violin. The new fusion/prog band
>> has me doing Dixie Dregs, Jeff Beck and UK/Holdsworth covers, plus
>> originals that are even more shredderific. Definitely giving me a workout!
>> Some of the tunes are mine, so I share the blame. :^)
>>
>> By contrast I have a solo singer/songwriter concert coming up at Swallow
>> Hill in April - mostly acoustic guitar and piano, maybe a little violin,
>> maybe some other stuff. Come on up!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97596 is a reply to message #97590] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 02:15 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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Dude, I think we were having our acid phases at the same time, though I
never had a "bad trip". I just laughed a lot and thought I was enlightened
until the next morning. :)
But I do remember that scene in "Men In Black." I ran it several times,
then a few more times in slow motion. Whoa. :)
S
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47ef2905$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
> news:47ef1f97$1@linux...
>> Hey, it was snowing pretty hard when I drove home from work last night .
>> . . late March . . . in Portland! Is it the coming Ice Age?
>>
>> Here's a thought . . . is it possible that the Earth's natural warming
>> and cooling trends could override any effect that we humans have?
>>
>> Or what if the Earth could actually respond to our efforts to warm it by
>> cooling itself triggered by some huge thermostatic mechanism?
>>
>> Or wait . . . oh dear . . . what if the Earth is just a giant terrarium
>> for some highly advanced race of intergalactic aliens, and they're
>> adjusting the temperature before they harvest us for food? Bill . . .
>> any help on this? Where's my tin foil hat . . .?
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>
> Back in 1971 I went on an acid binge and when the paranoid phase of it
> kicked in, I was watching TV and Walter Cronkite was talking about nuclear
> testing and I decided that the free protons and other stuff that was
> caused by splitting atoms was going to affect other atoms and cause them
> to mutate and that eventually this would start affecting DNA molecules all
> over the earth, even with people who were thousands of miles away because
> it would be like a domino theory so as the paranoia grew, it became
> obvious that not only were we doing this here, but that our solar system
> was actually just an atom in a much larger molecule and that if we were
> doing this here, then it was probably happening in a parallel universe too
> and that it was just a matter of time before our sun which is nothing more
> than the nucleus of an atom was either going to split wide open because it
> was probably part of a uranium molecule. At that point I really got
> paranoid and it was nighttime so I went outside and started staring at the
> stars and suddenly I saw this big shooting star and I knew that this was a
> particle that was heading to split the sun and so I figured that since I
> was gonna die anyway, I'd write this theory all down so I rolled up a
> fattie and did just that while I waited for sunrise. Well, the world
> didn't end that morning and since I was a college student at the time and
> I had a paper due for my political science class and my prof was a real
> cool Korean dude named Dr. Kim and he hated the military industrial
> complex and nukes I took the paper to class, still trippin my butt off and
> turned it in as an essay and everyone looked at me funny and their faces
> were melting and there were rainbows crawling up the walls and lights
> shooting out of people's noses so I had to leave but this was the 70's,
> like I said and the next day everyone thought it was cool and Dr. Kim
> didn't look like the catepillar in Through The Looking Glass and he told
> me how "imaginative" he thought I was so I felt better...I guess people
> back then thought this kinda stuff was normal.
>
> You could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw this a few years
> ago.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-pH5WXIsgHo&feature=related
>
> Start the timeline at 9:00.
>
> ;oD
>
>
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97627 is a reply to message #97582] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 19:05 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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> I'd be happy to more completely celebrate your non-objective, political
> paranoiac knee-jerk reactionism and scientific scapegoatism, which I
> love, but A) this is the PARIS group not the General group, B) I like
> boats, too, and C) I just got a new bass and it needs to be played...
Cool about your new bass. Did you say it's a Warwick, an import, nice. I dig
that Warwick growl too. Don't ever get rid of the Fender Jazz, Jaco would be
dissapointed. Are you playing fretless? Just got back from Miami, working on
an arrangement for Othello Molineaux's new cd. It's a piece for a steel drum
orchestra, well, he and I are playing the parts for the recording. Toots is
supposed to play on it.
Global warming is boring man. Me a paranoid, knee jerk reactionary,
scientific scapegoater? I don't even know what that is, but I live in the
northeast and would welcome the tropics up here :-) I'm tired of friggin'
winter.
Peace,
Rich
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> PS. Woo, new bass (OK it's used - reuse and recycle)!
>
>
> rick wrote:
> > rich, if you read the very first part of my post " it's not that i'm
> > a huge proponent of the other view" then you would know that i'm not
> > saying that global warming" is immanent. i would look at the evidence
> > and make what i would hope to be an educated decision...right or
> > wrong. however, i do find it a bit ludicrous to as many would suggest
> > that we as humans (6 +billion) have no impact on the planets
> > environment.
> >
> > i fully believe and expect that the earth has it's own natural warming
> > and cooling cycles. i also believe that we are affected by outside
> > stellar influences (our sun being the nearest). and as stated above i
> > believe that the 6+ billion of us do affect our surroundings; possibly
> > more than the earth and all it's processes can overcome. i also do
> > not see a problem with trying to live as responsibility as we can and
> > if that means it costs us a little more to do so then so be it.
> >
> > i'm already getting #ucked up the ass by the corp leaders who get paid
> > 100's of millions of dollars to mismanage a company into the ground so
> > what's a few more bucks spent to insure that my granddaughter and her
> > children also have the opportunity to get the same @ucking? of all
> > the things to complain about spending money on, i find their future as
> > the absolute least objectionable. so i say, lets not spend it on the
> > same old bullshit and spend it on something wothwhile...our...their
> > future. we've spent trillions on how to destroy the planet, how about
> > we spend some to..at the least...help it. i don't think that's a
> > waste of money.
> >
> > how about instead of the check box for donating money for a political
> > party on the 1040 we have donate to alternative energy funding? or
> > stop fathers from @ucking their daughters? or parents from killing
> > their kids? you know, something useful rather than getting joe/debbie
> > whoever getting elected to do nothing but bitch about joe/debbie
> > whoever doing whatever they do and doing nothing but worrying about
> > getting reelected...now that's a @ucking waste of our money.
> >
> > god, am i redundant or what???
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:32 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
> > <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Rick, the scientific way is to look at the data and make a
determination.
> >> Validity is based on the scientific method and empirical data, not junk
> >> science. The jury is not out, Al Gore is far from being a scientist.
There
> >> are over 400 real scientists who's studies dispute anthropogenic global
> >> warming and CO2 as the cause. I don't know about you but my car and
boat use
> >> petrol and if the shmucks at the UN are pushing a certain view, with a
> >> political agenda, which affects the world economy and especially the
US, and
> >> what I pay for gas, then my liberties are compromised. That's why I
want the
> >> truth and so should you. I don't have a problem with new technologies
that
> >> are environmentally friendly, if they work and if they are cheap and
won't
> >> propagate the economic meltdown we're experiencing. One of the biggest
> >> farces out there is Bio Fuels. It takes about 4 times as much energy to
> >> produce ethanol than is liberated from its burning. And it's causing
> >> increases in the cost of corn which in turn has caused increases in
> >> everything that eats corn, i.e.. cows and omnivores. The government
> >> subsidizes its production which increases taxes on you and I. I'm tired
of
> >> the bull, how about you?
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0a7tu3lk2r4s6i5ucm2egkqoc3t00l1nul@4ax.com...
> >>> explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
> >>> possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
> >>> just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
> >>> acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
> >>> enlighten me.
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
> >>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots"
into
> >>>> the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
> >> monitor
> >>>> world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
> >>>> warming.
> >>>>
> >>>
http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-
> >> ocean.html
> >>>> Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
> >>>> increasing in mass?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
> >>>> Rich
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97628 is a reply to message #97590] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 19:10 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
Registered: February 2006
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Holy shit, that happened to you too? Sounds like that was some pretty good
acid.
Rich
"Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:47ef2905$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
news:47ef1f97$1@linux...
> > Hey, it was snowing pretty hard when I drove home from work last night .
..
> > . late March . . . in Portland! Is it the coming Ice Age?
> >
> > Here's a thought . . . is it possible that the Earth's natural warming
and
> > cooling trends could override any effect that we humans have?
> >
> > Or what if the Earth could actually respond to our efforts to warm it by
> > cooling itself triggered by some huge thermostatic mechanism?
> >
> > Or wait . . . oh dear . . . what if the Earth is just a giant terrarium
> > for some highly advanced race of intergalactic aliens, and they're
> > adjusting the temperature before they harvest us for food? Bill . . .
any
> > help on this? Where's my tin foil hat . . .?
> >
> > S
> >
> >
>
> Back in 1971 I went on an acid binge and when the paranoid phase of it
> kicked in, I was watching TV and Walter Cronkite was talking about nuclear
> testing and I decided that the free protons and other stuff that was
caused
> by splitting atoms was going to affect other atoms and cause them to
mutate
> and that eventually this would start affecting DNA molecules all over the
> earth, even with people who were thousands of miles away because it would
be
> like a domino theory so as the paranoia grew, it became obvious that not
> only were we doing this here, but that our solar system was actually just
an
> atom in a much larger molecule and that if we were doing this here, then
it
> was probably happening in a parallel universe too and that it was just a
> matter of time before our sun which is nothing more than the nucleus of an
> atom was either going to split wide open because it was probably part of a
> uranium molecule. At that point I really got paranoid and it was nighttime
> so I went outside and started staring at the stars and suddenly I saw this
> big shooting star and I knew that this was a particle that was heading to
> split the sun and so I figured that since I was gonna die anyway, I'd
write
> this theory all down so I rolled up a fattie and did just that while I
> waited for sunrise. Well, the world didn't end that morning and since I
was
> a college student at the time and I had a paper due for my political
science
> class and my prof was a real cool Korean dude named Dr. Kim and he hated
the
> military industrial complex and nukes I took the paper to class, still
> trippin my butt off and turned it in as an essay and everyone looked at me
> funny and their faces were melting and there were rainbows crawling up the
> walls and lights shooting out of people's noses so I had to leave but this
> was the 70's, like I said and the next day everyone thought it was cool
and
> Dr. Kim didn't look like the catepillar in Through The Looking Glass and
he
> told me how "imaginative" he thought I was so I felt better...I guess
people
> back then thought this kinda stuff was normal.
>
> You could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw this a few years
> ago.
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-pH5WXIsgHo&feature=related
>
> Start the timeline at 9:00.
>
> ;oD
>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97639 is a reply to message #97627] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 18:49 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Rich Lamanna wrote:
>> I'd be happy to more completely celebrate your non-objective, political
>> paranoiac knee-jerk reactionism and scientific scapegoatism, which I
>> love, but A) this is the PARIS group not the General group, B) I like
>> boats, too, and C) I just got a new bass and it needs to be played...
>
> Cool about your new bass. Did you say it's a Warwick, an import, nice. I dig
> that Warwick growl too. Don't ever get rid of the Fender Jazz, Jaco would be
> dissapointed. Are you playing fretless?
Yep, I'm keeping the Fender, it has a great sound. Digging the Warwick,
too, and the 5 string/24 fret range.
Neither are fretless but my violin is, does that count? ;^)
> Just got back from Miami, working on
> an arrangement for Othello Molineaux's new cd. It's a piece for a steel drum
> orchestra, well, he and I are playing the parts for the recording. Toots is
> supposed to play on it.
Cool!
> Global warming is boring man. Me a paranoid, knee jerk reactionary,
> scientific scapegoater? I don't even know what that is, but I live in the
> northeast and would welcome the tropics up here :-) I'm tired of friggin'
> winter.
And yet you left Miami? :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Peace,
> Rich
>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>> PS. Woo, new bass (OK it's used - reuse and recycle)!
>>
>>
>> rick wrote:
>>> rich, if you read the very first part of my post " it's not that i'm
>>> a huge proponent of the other view" then you would know that i'm not
>>> saying that global warming" is immanent. i would look at the evidence
>>> and make what i would hope to be an educated decision...right or
>>> wrong. however, i do find it a bit ludicrous to as many would suggest
>>> that we as humans (6 +billion) have no impact on the planets
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> i fully believe and expect that the earth has it's own natural warming
>>> and cooling cycles. i also believe that we are affected by outside
>>> stellar influences (our sun being the nearest). and as stated above i
>>> believe that the 6+ billion of us do affect our surroundings; possibly
>>> more than the earth and all it's processes can overcome. i also do
>>> not see a problem with trying to live as responsibility as we can and
>>> if that means it costs us a little more to do so then so be it.
>>>
>>> i'm already getting #ucked up the ass by the corp leaders who get paid
>>> 100's of millions of dollars to mismanage a company into the ground so
>>> what's a few more bucks spent to insure that my granddaughter and her
>>> children also have the opportunity to get the same @ucking? of all
>>> the things to complain about spending money on, i find their future as
>>> the absolute least objectionable. so i say, lets not spend it on the
>>> same old bullshit and spend it on something wothwhile...our...their
>>> future. we've spent trillions on how to destroy the planet, how about
>>> we spend some to..at the least...help it. i don't think that's a
>>> waste of money.
>>>
>>> how about instead of the check box for donating money for a political
>>> party on the 1040 we have donate to alternative energy funding? or
>>> stop fathers from @ucking their daughters? or parents from killing
>>> their kids? you know, something useful rather than getting joe/debbie
>>> whoever getting elected to do nothing but bitch about joe/debbie
>>> whoever doing whatever they do and doing nothing but worrying about
>>> getting reelected...now that's a @ucking waste of our money.
>>>
>>> god, am i redundant or what???
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:19:32 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
>>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rick, the scientific way is to look at the data and make a
> determination.
>>>> Validity is based on the scientific method and empirical data, not junk
>>>> science. The jury is not out, Al Gore is far from being a scientist.
> There
>>>> are over 400 real scientists who's studies dispute anthropogenic global
>>>> warming and CO2 as the cause. I don't know about you but my car and
> boat use
>>>> petrol and if the shmucks at the UN are pushing a certain view, with a
>>>> political agenda, which affects the world economy and especially the
> US, and
>>>> what I pay for gas, then my liberties are compromised. That's why I
> want the
>>>> truth and so should you. I don't have a problem with new technologies
> that
>>>> are environmentally friendly, if they work and if they are cheap and
> won't
>>>> propagate the economic meltdown we're experiencing. One of the biggest
>>>> farces out there is Bio Fuels. It takes about 4 times as much energy to
>>>> produce ethanol than is liberated from its burning. And it's causing
>>>> increases in the cost of corn which in turn has caused increases in
>>>> everything that eats corn, i.e.. cows and omnivores. The government
>>>> subsidizes its production which increases taxes on you and I. I'm tired
> of
>>>> the bull, how about you?
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0a7tu3lk2r4s6i5ucm2egkqoc3t00l1nul@4ax.com...
>>>>> explain to my why this is better to the point of ridiculing the other
>>>>> possibility? it's not that i'm a huge proponent of the other view, i
>>>>> just find the absolute dismissal of it quite funny given the
>>>>> acceptance of another theory to be sooooooo much more valid. please
>>>>> enlighten me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 15:49:08 -0600, "Rich Lamanna"
>>>>> <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots"
> into
>>>>>> the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to
>>>> monitor
>>>>>> world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
>>>>>> warming.
>>>>>>
> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-
>>>> ocean.html
>>>>>> Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
>>>>>> increasing in mass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
>>>>>> Rich
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97656 is a reply to message #97587] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 09:37 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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Yes, Sarah, it is actually caused by extraterrestrials, but, they don't
want to eat us (luckily we don't taste like chicken). They just like to
see us argue. They're really sick that way...
Sarah wrote:
> Hey, it was snowing pretty hard when I drove home from work last night . . .
> late March . . . in Portland! Is it the coming Ice Age?
>
> Here's a thought . . . is it possible that the Earth's natural warming and
> cooling trends could override any effect that we humans have?
>
> Or what if the Earth could actually respond to our efforts to warm it by
> cooling itself triggered by some huge thermostatic mechanism?
>
> Or wait . . . oh dear . . . what if the Earth is just a giant terrarium for
> some highly advanced race of intergalactic aliens, and they're adjusting the
> temperature before they harvest us for food? Bill . . . any help on this?
> Where's my tin foil hat . . .?
>
> S
>
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:47ee9f37@linux...
>> Here we go again. A few years ago scientists put 3,000 "buoy robots" into
>> the oceans of the world, which are all part of the Argos System to monitor
>> world climate patterns. Oh no it looks like the ocean is cooling, not
>> warming.
>>
>> http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2008/03/warming-models-baff led-by-cooling-ocean.html
>>
>> Oh and looky here, what's this, evidence that Antarctic ice sheet is
>> increasing in mass?
>>
>> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/antarctic_020822.html
>>
>> Interesting stuff. Just thought you might like to know,
>> Rich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97684 is a reply to message #97628] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 23:50 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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Senior Member |
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Heeheh!!!. IIRC, it was a little transparent recangular thing that went by
the street name of "Clearlight".
...errrr....that is, IIRC......
;)
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:47f02dee@linux...
> Holy shit, that happened to you too? Sounds like that was some pretty good
> acid.
>
> Rich
>
> "Mr. Simplicity" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message
> news:47ef2905$1@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
> news:47ef1f97$1@linux...
>> > Hey, it was snowing pretty hard when I drove home from work last night
>> > .
> .
>> > . late March . . . in Portland! Is it the coming Ice Age?
>> >
>> > Here's a thought . . . is it possible that the Earth's natural warming
> and
>> > cooling trends could override any effect that we humans have?
>> >
>> > Or what if the Earth could actually respond to our efforts to warm it
>> > by
>> > cooling itself triggered by some huge thermostatic mechanism?
>> >
>> > Or wait . . . oh dear . . . what if the Earth is just a giant terrarium
>> > for some highly advanced race of intergalactic aliens, and they're
>> > adjusting the temperature before they harvest us for food? Bill . . .
> any
>> > help on this? Where's my tin foil hat . . .?
>> >
>> > S
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Back in 1971 I went on an acid binge and when the paranoid phase of it
>> kicked in, I was watching TV and Walter Cronkite was talking about
>> nuclear
>> testing and I decided that the free protons and other stuff that was
> caused
>> by splitting atoms was going to affect other atoms and cause them to
> mutate
>> and that eventually this would start affecting DNA molecules all over the
>> earth, even with people who were thousands of miles away because it would
> be
>> like a domino theory so as the paranoia grew, it became obvious that not
>> only were we doing this here, but that our solar system was actually just
> an
>> atom in a much larger molecule and that if we were doing this here, then
> it
>> was probably happening in a parallel universe too and that it was just a
>> matter of time before our sun which is nothing more than the nucleus of
>> an
>> atom was either going to split wide open because it was probably part of
>> a
>> uranium molecule. At that point I really got paranoid and it was
>> nighttime
>> so I went outside and started staring at the stars and suddenly I saw
>> this
>> big shooting star and I knew that this was a particle that was heading to
>> split the sun and so I figured that since I was gonna die anyway, I'd
> write
>> this theory all down so I rolled up a fattie and did just that while I
>> waited for sunrise. Well, the world didn't end that morning and since I
> was
>> a college student at the time and I had a paper due for my political
> science
>> class and my prof was a real cool Korean dude named Dr. Kim and he hated
> the
>> military industrial complex and nukes I took the paper to class, still
>> trippin my butt off and turned it in as an essay and everyone looked at
>> me
>> funny and their faces were melting and there were rainbows crawling up
>> the
>> walls and lights shooting out of people's noses so I had to leave but
>> this
>> was the 70's, like I said and the next day everyone thought it was cool
> and
>> Dr. Kim didn't look like the catepillar in Through The Looking Glass and
> he
>> told me how "imaginative" he thought I was so I felt better...I guess
> people
>> back then thought this kinda stuff was normal.
>>
>> You could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw this a few years
>> ago.
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-pH5WXIsgHo&feature=related
>>
>> Start the timeline at 9:00.
>>
>> ;oD
>>
>>
>>
>
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