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How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77602] Sat, 30 December 2006 08:15 Go to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and hear
beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K -
20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is
it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
THAT snare sound!

Any thoughts?

Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

Gantt


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77612 is a reply to message #77602] Sat, 30 December 2006 08:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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Are we talking a snare with snap to it?

Generally a 5" deep metal snare drum...a ludwig black beauty comes to mind,
tuned fairy high on top and bottom with snares solidly on the reso head but
not choking the sound should get you in the ballpark

Piccalo snare drums 4" or less deep are good for that too but they tend to
sound a little less resonant ie: choked to my ear, depending on the snare of
course.

Micing from the underside will give you ton's of top end with pretty well
any snare, just be aware of phase issues with top and bottom mics

Don



"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45968298$1@linux...
>
> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
> hear
> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K -
> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is
> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
> THAT snare sound!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>
> Gantt
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77613 is a reply to message #77602] Sat, 30 December 2006 08:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet, perhaps
even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.

AA

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45968298$1@linux...
>
> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
> hear
> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K -
> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is
> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
> THAT snare sound!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>
> Gantt
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77614 is a reply to message #77612] Sat, 30 December 2006 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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My main snare is a 5" chrome Tama. I have had a bottom mic, but I still need
the EQ to get that brightness I'm talking about. It's not so much 'snap'
(I can get plenty of that!) as presence that I'm looking for.

gantt

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Are we talking a snare with snap to it?
>
>Generally a 5" deep metal snare drum...a ludwig black beauty comes to mind,

>tuned fairy high on top and bottom with snares solidly on the reso head
but
>not choking the sound should get you in the ballpark
>
>Piccalo snare drums 4" or less deep are good for that too but they tend
to
>sound a little less resonant ie: choked to my ear, depending on the snare
of
>course.
>
>Micing from the underside will give you ton's of top end with pretty well

>any snare, just be aware of phase issues with top and bottom mics
>
>Don
>
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:45968298$1@linux...
>>
>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and

>> hear
>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
-
>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
Are
>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
Is
>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>> THAT snare sound!
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>
>> Gantt
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77615 is a reply to message #77602] Sat, 30 December 2006 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
neil[1] is currently offline  neil[1]
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16k & up? There's no snare I've ever heard that has much of
anything in it's fundamental frequencies up in that range, so
no matter what mic you use you're not going to have very much
but overtones up there for a snare, IMO. Brass ones usually
have a bit more "body tone" in a wider (to include "higher")
register, but it's still not way up there where you're talking
about; so without hearing specific cuts that you're referring
to, I'd have to say yeah, it's most likely just a matter of EQ.

But I have a couple other questions:
a.) You mention the mic you usually use, but what preamp do you
usually use for Snare? I wonder if you're hearing something
like that API "crack" on these cuts (or maybe similar fast
preamps that may have been used)? If you're using something
slower/softer, it ain't gonna happen - at least not exactly
like what you're looking for, I don't believe.

b.) Are you sure you're hearing the direct snare hit itself, or
are you hearing maybe some room in the overheads or possibly
some reverb that the higher freqs are coming from? Try
isolating the first 1/4 to third of a second of the snare
hit & see if your RTA still kisses those same frequencies.
Then isolate the next half-second or so, then the next... IOW,
see where those frequencies start coming into play on the
timeline & that'll tell you a lot.
Considering that there's a good chance that a lot of the snares
you're talking about were tracked with a '57 - a mic which
starts rolling off like crazy even before it gets to the 16k
you're talking about - I think I'm leaning towards this
possibility.

c.) Do you normally mic the bottom head too? I really hate
this, myself, but sometimes you can get a bit more "air" out of
it with the snares sizzling around right in the face of the
bottom mic. Problem then becomes finding a balance between that
effect and the inevitable "pfft" that results from this
top/bottom micing combination... throw Fleetwood
Mac's "Rhiannon" on your 8-Track for what I find to be an
extreme "pfftxample" of that sound. URRGH!

d.) Is is possibly more of a compression thing than an EQ thing
that you're hearing? You think it might be that VCA "splat"
from certain types of compressors (SSL's are great for this)
flattening out the body tone quite a bit? If that's it - or
part of it - dbx Comps are good at this, too... even the
cheapies.


I assume you've tried all the usual stuff like trying different
mic positions, or even different mics & pres?

Dunno... just having my morning coffee & throwing stuff out
there.


Neil


"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
hear
>beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
-
>20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
>there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is
> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
>some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>THAT snare sound!
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>
>Gantt
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77616 is a reply to message #77613] Sat, 30 December 2006 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Or maybe one of those "Transient desgner" boxes. Anyone ever use them?

gantt

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet, perhaps

>even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>
>AA
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:45968298$1@linux...
>>
>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and

>> hear
>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
-
>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
Are
>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
Is
>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>> THAT snare sound!
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>
>> Gantt
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77627 is a reply to message #77615] Sat, 30 December 2006 10:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Macy is currently offline  John Macy
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Registered: April 2006
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The Transient Designer will not really add any high end, though you can stretch
out the sound to hear more of what is there.

Personally, there is always, always, always a Distressor and a Transient
Designer on my snare track...:) I have a 4 channel TD and would like a second--very
useful tool...

I do cut sometimes with a 57 and a KM84 taped together and print on seperate
tracks--very seldom use under snare mics...



"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>16k & up? There's no snare I've ever heard that has much of
>anything in it's fundamental frequencies up in that range, so
>no matter what mic you use you're not going to have very much
>but overtones up there for a snare, IMO. Brass ones usually
>have a bit more "body tone" in a wider (to include "higher")
>register, but it's still not way up there where you're talking
>about; so without hearing specific cuts that you're referring
>to, I'd have to say yeah, it's most likely just a matter of EQ.
>
>But I have a couple other questions:
>a.) You mention the mic you usually use, but what preamp do you
>usually use for Snare? I wonder if you're hearing something
>like that API "crack" on these cuts (or maybe similar fast
>preamps that may have been used)? If you're using something
>slower/softer, it ain't gonna happen - at least not exactly
>like what you're looking for, I don't believe.
>
>b.) Are you sure you're hearing the direct snare hit itself, or
>are you hearing maybe some room in the overheads or possibly
>some reverb that the higher freqs are coming from? Try
>isolating the first 1/4 to third of a second of the snare
>hit & see if your RTA still kisses those same frequencies.
>Then isolate the next half-second or so, then the next... IOW,
>see where those frequencies start coming into play on the
>timeline & that'll tell you a lot.
>Considering that there's a good chance that a lot of the snares
>you're talking about were tracked with a '57 - a mic which
>starts rolling off like crazy even before it gets to the 16k
>you're talking about - I think I'm leaning towards this
>possibility.
>
>c.) Do you normally mic the bottom head too? I really hate
>this, myself, but sometimes you can get a bit more "air" out of
>it with the snares sizzling around right in the face of the
>bottom mic. Problem then becomes finding a balance between that
>effect and the inevitable "pfft" that results from this
>top/bottom micing combination... throw Fleetwood
>Mac's "Rhiannon" on your 8-Track for what I find to be an
>extreme "pfftxample" of that sound. URRGH!
>
>d.) Is is possibly more of a compression thing than an EQ thing
>that you're hearing? You think it might be that VCA "splat"
>from certain types of compressors (SSL's are great for this)
>flattening out the body tone quite a bit? If that's it - or
>part of it - dbx Comps are good at this, too... even the
>cheapies.
>
>
>I assume you've tried all the usual stuff like trying different
>mic positions, or even different mics & pres?
>
>Dunno... just having my morning coffee & throwing stuff out
>there.
>
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
>hear
>>beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
>-
>>20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>>a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>>cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>>need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
>>there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
Is
>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of recording
>>some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>>THAT snare sound!
>>
>>Any thoughts?
>>
>>Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>
>>Gantt
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77650 is a reply to message #77613] Sat, 30 December 2006 16:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Martin Harrington is currently offline  Martin Harrington   AUSTRALIA
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That's what I would've bet too.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com

"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:459691c4$1@linux...
> You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet,
> perhaps even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>
> AA
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:45968298$1@linux...
>>
>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
>> hear
>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K -
>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes? Are
>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most? Is
>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of
>> recording
>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>> THAT snare sound!
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>
>> Gantt
>
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77701 is a reply to message #77650] Sun, 31 December 2006 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
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I thought about this & said "yeah, perhaps they're right"; then
it occurred to me - he's hearing this on LOTS of different
stuff, he's saying... the chances of ALL those different tracks
across all those different genres using an exciter on the snare
are pretty slim - besides, the Aphex exciters work up to the 7k
range, max, & the BBE's even lower than that, IIRC. Are the
plugin exciters that go higher into the range he's talking
about?

I'm still leaning towards a room or reverb thing.

Gantt-Man... you figure out this snare thing yet? I'm curious.

Neil


"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>That's what I would've bet too.
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>news:459691c4$1@linux...
>> You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet,
>> perhaps even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:45968298$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and

>>> hear
>>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
-
>>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually
use
>>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter
and
>>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
Are
>>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
Is
>>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of
>>> recording
>>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to
get
>>> THAT snare sound!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>
>
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77702 is a reply to message #77701] Sun, 31 December 2006 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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Registered: May 2008
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Another thing that might be... leakage from a gate. This could be in the
form of cymbal bleed into the snare (furthered by hitting a verb when it
opens) or possibly just so much compression that it's causing a hiss when
the snare gate opens?

W/O hearing what you're hearing Gantt, I'd only be able to guess.

AA


"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45984b03$1@linux...
>
> I thought about this & said "yeah, perhaps they're right"; then
> it occurred to me - he's hearing this on LOTS of different
> stuff, he's saying... the chances of ALL those different tracks
> across all those different genres using an exciter on the snare
> are pretty slim - besides, the Aphex exciters work up to the 7k
> range, max, & the BBE's even lower than that, IIRC. Are the
> plugin exciters that go higher into the range he's talking
> about?
>
> I'm still leaning towards a room or reverb thing.
>
> Gantt-Man... you figure out this snare thing yet? I'm curious.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>That's what I would've bet too.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>news:459691c4$1@linux...
>>> You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet,
>>> perhaps even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:45968298$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
>
>>>> hear
>>>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
> -
>>>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually
> use
>>>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter
> and
>>>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I
>>>> still
>>>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
> Are
>>>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
> Is
>>>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of
>>>> recording
>>>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to
> get
>>>> THAT snare sound!
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77731 is a reply to message #77616] Sun, 31 December 2006 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I use an SPL TD, though not during tracking. It's great for mixes though.
Another secret weapon is the UAD-1 Neve 33609. this thing provides some
serious snare mojo.

Deej

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45969342$1@linux...
>
> Or maybe one of those "Transient desgner" boxes. Anyone ever use them?
>
> gantt
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet,
>>perhaps
>
>>even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:45968298$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
>
>>> hear
>>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K
> -
>>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually use
>>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter and
>>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
> Are
>>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
> Is
>>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of
>>> recording
>>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to get
>>> THAT snare sound!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77732 is a reply to message #77731] Sun, 31 December 2006 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...
Senior Member

The Transient Designer intrigues me. I might have to check one out. And
I need to figure out a way to use the Neve EQ w/ Paris. As soon as my new
UAD-1 card comes (and assuming that there doesn't turn out to be anything
wrong w/ one of my old ones!) I'm planning to install one in my old G4 to
try using the newer UAD-1 FX in Digital Performer. I'll have to shift the
tracks an extra 13 ms to compensate for the trip in and out of DP, but it
might work!

Thanks, and Happy New Year!

Gantt

"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>I use an SPL TD, though not during tracking. It's great for mixes though.

>Another secret weapon is the UAD-1 Neve 33609. this thing provides some

>serious snare mojo.
>
>Deej
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:45969342$1@linux...
>>
>> Or maybe one of those "Transient desgner" boxes. Anyone ever use them?
>>
>> gantt
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>You're probably listening to an aural exciter of some kind I'd bet,
>>>perhaps
>>
>>>even a verb high pass tuned to those freq's.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:45968298$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it -
and
>>
>>>> hear
>>>> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the
16K
>> -
>>>> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ. I usually
use
>>>> a Crown CM-200 (electret condenser, kinda like an SM-57, but flatter
and
>>>> cleaner to my ear) on snare, but I've tried a Neumann KM-84 and I still
>>>> need to crank the EQ to get that sound. Is that just what it takes?
>> Are
>>>> there snare drums that naturally generate higher harmonics than most?
>> Is
>>>> it something to do w/ the drum head? I've had the priviledge of
>>>> recording
>>>> some pretty great drummers, but I still need to reach for the EQ to
get
>>>> THAT snare sound!
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77733 is a reply to message #77732] Mon, 01 January 2007 02:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LaMont is currently offline  LaMont
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Gantt,
Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77740 is a reply to message #77733] Mon, 01 January 2007 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come in?

Thanks,

Gantt

"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Gantt,
>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77741 is a reply to message #77740] Mon, 01 January 2007 08:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nil is currently offline  Nil
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Voxengo also has their Transmodder... here's a link to the demo:

http://www.voxengo.com/files/VoxengoTransmodder_15_WinVST_se tup.exe

BY THE WAY, GUYS - Voxengo has a sale going on on about a half-
dozen of their plugs right now... 20% discount.

Neil


"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
in?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gantt
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Gantt,
>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77742 is a reply to message #77740] Mon, 01 January 2007 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Wow! I have the Transform bundle! I'll try sending a snare track over to
Digital Performer and see what it does...

Gantt

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
in?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gantt
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Gantt,
>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77750 is a reply to message #77740] Mon, 01 January 2007 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lamont[5] is currently offline  lamont[5]
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Gantt, you can use the waves in paris..

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
in?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gantt
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Gantt,
>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77758 is a reply to message #77750] Mon, 01 January 2007 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Alas, not in Mac OS 9...

Gantt

"lamont" <jjd@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Gantt, you can use the waves in paris..
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
>in?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Gantt,
>>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77762 is a reply to message #77758] Mon, 01 January 2007 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LaMont is currently offline  LaMont
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Gantt, you need to PC :)

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Alas, not in Mac OS 9...
>
>Gantt
>
>"lamont" <jjd@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Gantt, you can use the waves in paris..
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
>>in?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Gantt,
>>>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>>>
>>
>
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77780 is a reply to message #77762] Tue, 02 January 2007 11:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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You know, as un-PC as it is for a Die-Hard Mac user to have such thoughts,
I've been thinking about it...

But the learning curve!

AARGH!

gantt

"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Gantt, you need to PC :)
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Alas, not in Mac OS 9...
>>
>>Gantt
>>
>>"lamont" <jjd@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Gantt, you can use the waves in paris..
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Aargh! Another plugin I can't use in Paris! Which bundle does it come
>>>in?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt,
>>>>>Waves have a similar SPL plugin called "Trans-X" http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=119
>>>>
>>>
>>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: How Do You Get THAT Snare Sound? [message #77877 is a reply to message #77602] Thu, 04 January 2007 10:34 Go to previous message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> writes:
> I listen to contemporary CD's - jazz, rock, R&B, C&W, you name it - and
> hear
> beautiful, bright snare drums that make my RTA bounce around in the 16K -
> 20K range. I can't make that happen without a ton of EQ.

OK, I admit it, I cheat to get that sound - Toontrack and Scarbee are my
friends. And for those big film score drums, I use Storm Drum... (Links at
my http://www.softsampling.com site.)

Doug (And what's wrong with cranking the EQ anyway?)

http://www.parisfaqs.com


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