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| Loosing m mind [message #74094] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 15:40  |
cujo
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Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack punch,
outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room in
a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is it
the Paris bounce?
Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds
like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74096 is a reply to message #74094] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 15:57  |
Tom Bruhl
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Cujo,
Are pro CDs brighter than they used to be in your newly
modified room? If so I'd say it's treatment, speakers and their =
placement.
Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
Paris.
Play that back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?
If so then there's something wrong with your digital config perhaps.
Good luck on this one.
Tom
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
punch,
outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
room in
a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. =
Is it
the Paris bounce?
Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it =
sounds
like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to =
be in your=20
newly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>modified room? If so I'd say it's =
treatment,=20
speakers and their placement.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 =
track (no=20
eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Paris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
Does the=20
same thing happen?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so then there's something wrong =
with your=20
digital config perhaps.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck on this one.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
..com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
Ok, It=20
is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes in Paris have always =
sounded murky=20
and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound =
slamming=20
inside the room.<BR>First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, =
then=20
treated my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another =
UAD=20
with the 1073.. Is it<BR>the Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering in =
CEP? what=20
are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds<BR>like a totally =
different mix to=20
me...ARRRRGGHHH</BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74097 is a reply to message #74096] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 16:01 |
cujo
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So you are saying pull up a stereo mix of say "Who;s Next" and bouonc it
in Paris then burn a CD of it..good idea..
As far as treatment I have follwed a ton of advice from the John Sayers site
as far as nulls proper speaker height and width, I have minimized comb filtering
from my gear, I have tons of 705 a cloud also hangs on the ceiling up, I
mean I don;t expect to make Who's Next again on my gear...and I have always
had translation issues even in big studios with other people engineering..but
it really seems so different, I often dread checking mixes...I will give
your ide a shot..maybe we copy bounce thie files to say 16 tracks, (Carefully)
so 8 l and 8 r....and test if it is a track count thing too.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Cujo,
>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to be in your newly
>modified room? If so I'd say it's treatment, speakers and their =
>placement.
>
>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
>Paris.
>Play that back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?
>If so then there's something wrong with your digital config perhaps.
>
>Good luck on this one.
>Tom
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>
>
> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
>punch,
> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
>room in
> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. =
>Is it
> the Paris bounce?
> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it
=
>sounds
> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to
=
>be in your=20
>newly</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>modified room? If so I'd say it's =
>treatment,=20
>speakers and their placement.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 =
>track (no=20
>eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>size=3D2>Paris.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
>Does the=20
>same thing happen?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so then there's something wrong =
>with your=20
>digital config perhaps.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck on this one.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>.com</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>Ok, It=20
> is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes in Paris have always =
>sounded murky=20
> and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound =
>slamming=20
> inside the room.<BR>First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card,
=
>then=20
> treated my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another
=
>UAD=20
> with the 1073.. Is it<BR>the Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering in =
>CEP? what=20
> are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds<BR>like a totally =
>different mix to=20
> me...ARRRRGGHHH</BLOCKQUOTE>
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>and=20
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74098 is a reply to message #74097] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 16:15 |
Tom Bruhl
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Cujo,
Do pro CDs sound bright to you since your modifications in the room?
T.
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:4532bdc8$1@linux...
So you are saying pull up a stereo mix of say "Who;s Next" and bouonc =
it
in Paris then burn a CD of it..good idea..
As far as treatment I have follwed a ton of advice from the John =
Sayers site
as far as nulls proper speaker height and width, I have minimized comb =
filtering
from my gear, I have tons of 705 a cloud also hangs on the ceiling up, =
I
mean I don;t expect to make Who's Next again on my gear...and I have =
always
had translation issues even in big studios with other people =
engineering..but
it really seems so different, I often dread checking mixes...I will =
give
your ide a shot..maybe we copy bounce thie files to say 16 tracks, =
(Carefully)
so 8 l and 8 r....and test if it is a track count thing too.
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Cujo,
>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to be in your newly
>modified room? If so I'd say it's treatment, speakers and their =3D
>placement.
>
>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
=3D
>Paris.
>Play that back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?
>If so then there's something wrong with your digital config perhaps.
>
>Good luck on this one.
>Tom
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>
>
> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
=3D
>punch,
> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
=3D
>room in
> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
1073.. =3D
>Is it
> the Paris bounce?
> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really =
it
=3D
>sounds
> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they =
used to
=3D
>be in your=3D20
>newly</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>modified room? If so I'd say =
it's =3D
>treatment,=3D20
>speakers and their placement.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro =
CD 2 =3D
>track (no=3D20
>eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT face=3D3DArial =3D
>size=3D3D2>Paris.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
=3D
>Does the=3D20
>same thing happen?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>If so then there's something =
wrong =3D
>with your=3D20
>digital config perhaps.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Good luck on this =
one.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
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> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
dio=3D
>.com</A>>=3D20
> wrote in message <A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D"news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><=
BR>=3D
>Ok, It=3D20
> is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes in Paris have always =3D
>sounded murky=3D20
> and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound =
=3D
>slamming=3D20
> inside the room.<BR>First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 =
card,
=3D
>then=3D20
> treated my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then =
another
=3D
>UAD=3D20
> with the 1073.. Is it<BR>the Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering =
in =3D
>CEP? what=3D20
> are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds<BR>like a totally =3D
>different mix to=3D20
> me...ARRRRGGHHH</BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam, =3D
>and=3D20
>you?<BR><A=3D20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do pro CDs sound bright to you since =
your=20
modifications in the room?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>T.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
..com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4532bdc8$1@linux">news:4532bdc8$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
<BR>So=20
you are saying pull up a stereo mix of say "Who;s Next" and bouonc =
it<BR>in=20
Paris then burn a CD of it..good idea..<BR><BR>As far as treatment I =
have=20
follwed a ton of advice from the John Sayers site<BR>as far as nulls =
proper=20
speaker height and width, I have minimized comb filtering<BR>from my =
gear, I=20
have tons of 705 a cloud also hangs on the ceiling up, I<BR>mean I =
don;t=20
expect to make Who's Next again on my gear...and I have always<BR>had=20
translation issues even in big studios with other people=20
engineering..but<BR>it really seems so different, I often dread =
checking=20
mixes...I will give<BR>your ide a shot..maybe we copy bounce thie =
files to say=20
16 tracks, (Carefully)<BR>so 8 l and 8 r....and test if it is a track =
count=20
thing too.<BR><BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Cujo,<BR>>Are pro CDs brighter than =
they used=20
to be in your newly<BR>>modified room? If so I'd say it's =
treatment,=20
speakers and their =3D<BR>>placement.<BR>><BR>>Try recording =
and mixing=20
a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
=3D<BR>>Paris.<BR>>Play that=20
back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?<BR>>If so =
then=20
there's something wrong with your digital config =
perhaps.<BR>><BR>>Good=20
luck on this one.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "Cujo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
..com</A>>=20
wrote in message=20
=3D<BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>><BR>><BR>> Ok, =
It is=20
finally start to get to me.<BR>> My mixes in Paris have =
always=20
sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =3D<BR>>punch,<BR>> =
outside my=20
room, And they sound slamming inside the room.<BR>> First I =
got an=20
externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =3D<BR>>room=20
in<BR>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD =
with the=20
1073.. =3D<BR>>Is it<BR>> the Paris bounce?<BR>> =
Is it the=20
dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really=20
it<BR>=3D<BR>>sounds<BR>> like a totally different mix to=20
me...ARRRRGGHHH<BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight=20
spam, and you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
<BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
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content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
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name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>></HEA=
D><BR>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
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size=3D3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV& ;gt; <BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they used =
to<BR>=3D<BR>>be=20
in =
your=3D20<BR>>newly</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FON=
T=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>modified room? If so I'd say it's=20
=3D<BR>>treatment,=3D20<BR>>speakers and their=20
placement.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 =3D<BR>>track=20
(no=3D20<BR>>eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
=
=3D<BR> >size=3D3D2>Paris.</FONT>< ;/DIV> <BR>><DIV&g=
t;<FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
=3D<BR>>Does=20
the=3D20<BR>>same thing=20
happen?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>If so then there's something wrong =3D<BR>>with=20
your=3D20<BR>>digital config=20
perhaps.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Good luck on this=20
one.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV&g t; <BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>=
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
#000000 2px=20
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Cujo"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
'>mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio</A=
>=3D<BR>>.com</A>>=3D20<BR>> =20
wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR'=
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
<BR><BR</A>>=3D<BR>>Ok,=20
It=3D20<BR>> is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes =
in Paris=20
have always =3D<BR>>sounded murky=3D20<BR>> and bass heavy =
and lack=20
punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound=20
=3D<BR>>slamming=3D20<BR>> inside the room.<BR>First =
I got an=20
externeal clock, then a UAD 1 =
card,<BR>=3D<BR>>then=3D20<BR>> treated=20
my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then=20
another<BR>=3D<BR>>UAD=3D20<BR>> with the 1073.. Is =
it<BR>the=20
Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering in =3D<BR>>CEP?=20
what=3D20<BR>> are you guys doing..I mean really it=20
sounds<BR>like a totally =3D<BR>>different mix =
to=3D20<BR>> =20
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74106 is a reply to message #74097] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 17:30 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Cuj, try this...
Do a mix of one of your tunes with NO EQ or EFX whatsoever;
just raw tracks, balanced out more or less evenly so that you
can hear everything. Pan a little bit if you wanna, but nothing
too severe L&R unless it's a stereo track - no EQ, no 'verbs,
no dynamics - nothing. Then burn that off to a CD - if that
doesn't sound anything like the mix in your room, then it's
your room or something's funky goin' on between your rig & the
monitors... if it DOES sound like in your room, then it's the
way you're mixing stuff - choices you're making when EQ'ing adding EFX, etc.
Try it... that way you have a true starting point.
Neil
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>So you are saying pull up a stereo mix of say "Who;s Next" and bouonc it
>in Paris then burn a CD of it..good idea..
>
>As far as treatment I have follwed a ton of advice from the John Sayers
site
>as far as nulls proper speaker height and width, I have minimized comb filtering
>from my gear, I have tons of 705 a cloud also hangs on the ceiling up, I
>mean I don;t expect to make Who's Next again on my gear...and I have always
>had translation issues even in big studios with other people engineering..but
>it really seems so different, I often dread checking mixes...I will give
>your ide a shot..maybe we copy bounce thie files to say 16 tracks, (Carefully)
>so 8 l and 8 r....and test if it is a track count thing too.
>
>
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Cujo,
>>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to be in your newly
>>modified room? If so I'd say it's treatment, speakers and their =
>>placement.
>>
>>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
>>Paris.
>>Play that back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?
>>If so then there's something wrong with your digital config perhaps.
>>
>>Good luck on this one.
>>Tom
>> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
>>punch,
>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
>>room in
>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073..
=
>>Is it
>> the Paris bounce?
>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it
>=
>>sounds
>> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to
>=
>>be in your=20
>>newly</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>modified room? If so I'd say it's =
>>treatment,=20
>>speakers and their placement.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 =
>>track (no=20
>>eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>Paris.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
>>Does the=20
>>same thing happen?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so then there's something wrong =
>>with your=20
>>digital config perhaps.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck on this one.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>.com</A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>>Ok, It=20
>> is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes in Paris have always =
>>sounded murky=20
>> and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound =
>>slamming=20
>> inside the room.<BR>First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card,
>=
>>then=20
>> treated my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another
>=
>>UAD=20
>> with the 1073.. Is it<BR>the Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering in
=
>>CEP? what=20
>> are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds<BR>like a totally =
>>different mix to=20
>> me...ARRRRGGHHH</BLOCKQUOTE>
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>>and=20
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74107 is a reply to message #74106] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 17:40 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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another really dumb thought...is your monitoring system wired properly ? +
to + / - to -
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4532d28c$1@linux...
>
> Cuj, try this...
>
> Do a mix of one of your tunes with NO EQ or EFX whatsoever;
> just raw tracks, balanced out more or less evenly so that you
> can hear everything. Pan a little bit if you wanna, but nothing
> too severe L&R unless it's a stereo track - no EQ, no 'verbs,
> no dynamics - nothing. Then burn that off to a CD - if that
> doesn't sound anything like the mix in your room, then it's
> your room or something's funky goin' on between your rig & the
> monitors... if it DOES sound like in your room, then it's the
> way you're mixing stuff - choices you're making when EQ'ing adding EFX,
> etc.
>
> Try it... that way you have a true starting point.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>So you are saying pull up a stereo mix of say "Who;s Next" and bouonc it
>>in Paris then burn a CD of it..good idea..
>>
>>As far as treatment I have follwed a ton of advice from the John Sayers
> site
>>as far as nulls proper speaker height and width, I have minimized comb
>>filtering
>>from my gear, I have tons of 705 a cloud also hangs on the ceiling up, I
>>mean I don;t expect to make Who's Next again on my gear...and I have
>>always
>>had translation issues even in big studios with other people
>>engineering..but
>>it really seems so different, I often dread checking mixes...I will give
>>your ide a shot..maybe we copy bounce thie files to say 16 tracks,
>>(Carefully)
>>so 8 l and 8 r....and test if it is a track count thing too.
>>
>>
>>
>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Cujo,
>>>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to be in your newly
>>>modified room? If so I'd say it's treatment, speakers and their =
>>>placement.
>>>
>>>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 track (no eq) that you know with =
>>>Paris.
>>>Play that back on other systems. Does the same thing happen?
>>>If so then there's something wrong with your digital config perhaps.
>>>
>>>Good luck on this one.
>>>Tom
>>> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>>> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
>>>punch,
>>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>>> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
>>>room in
>>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073..
> =
>>>Is it
>>> the Paris bounce?
>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it
>>=
>>>sounds
>>> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
>>>
>>>
>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are pro CDs brighter than they used to
>>=
>>>be in your=20
>>>newly</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>modified room? If so I'd say it's =
>>>treatment,=20
>>>speakers and their placement.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try recording and mixing a pro CD 2 =
>>>track (no=20
>>>eq) that you know with </FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2>Paris.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Play that back on other systems. =
>>>Does the=20
>>>same thing happen?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If so then there's something wrong =
>>>with your=20
>>>digital config perhaps.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck on this one.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>>.com</A>>=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"news:4532b8eb$1@linux">news:4532b8eb$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>>>Ok, It=20
>>> is finally start to get to me.<BR>My mixes in Paris have always =
>>>sounded murky=20
>>> and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>outside my room, And they sound =
>>>slamming=20
>>> inside the room.<BR>First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card,
>>=
>>>then=20
>>> treated my room in<BR>a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another
>>=
>>>UAD=20
>>> with the 1073.. Is it<BR>the Paris bounce?<BR>Is it the dithering in
> =
>>>CEP? what=20
>>> are you guys doing..I mean really it sounds<BR>like a totally =
>>>different mix to=20
>>> me...ARRRRGGHHH</BLOCKQUOTE>
>>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>>>and=20
>>>you?<BR><A=20
>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74108 is a reply to message #74100] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 17:52 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere in the
balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in my room
to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the bass down
1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but it isn't
only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 dimentional and
"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area has been
compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow not as
full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be understandable,, but
this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion to 16
bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I want it
to sound!
hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a 1968ME
compressor?
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>My first thought was "it's the room"
>
>May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your speakers
and
>acoustic treatment?
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack punch,
>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room
in
>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is
it
>> the Paris bounce?
>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it
>> sounds
>> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
>
>
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74110 is a reply to message #74108] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 19:24 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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You dither huh? . . .
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere in =
the
balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in my =
room
to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the bass =
down
1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but it =
isn't
only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =
dimentional and
"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area has =
been
compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow not =
as
full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =
understandable,, but
this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion to =
16
bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I =
want it
to sound!
hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a =
1968ME
compressor?
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>My first thought was "it's the room"
>
>May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
speakers
and=20
>acoustic treatment?
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=20
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack =
punch,
>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my =
room
in
>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
1073.. Is
it
>> the Paris bounce?
>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really =
it
>> sounds
>> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=20
>
>
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74112 is a reply to message #74110] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 20:04 |
cujo
Messages: 285
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yes for my reference CD's. am I missing something?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>You dither huh? . . .
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
>
>
>
> It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere in
=
>the
> balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in my
=
>room
> to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the bass
=
>down
> 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but it =
>isn't
> only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =
>dimentional and
> "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area has
=
>been
> compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow not
=
>as
> full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =
>understandable,, but
> this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion to
=
>16
> bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
>
> my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I =
>want it
> to sound!
>
>
> hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a =
>1968ME
> compressor?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >My first thought was "it's the room"
> >
> >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
>speakers
> and=20
> >acoustic treatment?
> >
> >DOn
> >
> >
> >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=20
> >news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> >> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack
=
>punch,
> >> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my
=
>room
> in
> >> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
>1073.. Is
> it
> >> the Paris bounce?
> >> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really
=
>it
>
> >> sounds
> >> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=20
> >
> >
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
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> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
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> the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang =
>close in my=20
> room<BR>to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn
=
>the bass=20
> down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house.
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>but it=20
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> presence area has been<BR>compressed and almost glassy in bad way, =
>Dirty=20
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=
>I=20
> really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting else, =
>I'll try=20
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=
>
> critically, but it is not how I want it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey is
=
>anyone=20
> running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a=20
> 1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR >"Don Nafe" <<A =
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> href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>>My =
>first=20
> thought was "it's the room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =
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>they=20
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>then new=20
> Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is<BR>it<BR>>> =
>the Paris=20
> bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys =
>doing..I=20
> mean really it<BR><BR>>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74113 is a reply to message #74100] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 20:24 |
duncan
Messages: 123
Registered: November 2006
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What he said: size of room, position of speakers?
If you look at the Real Traps site, they used to have a very cool
little widget for calculating room modes - you input your dimensions
and get back a chart indicating where all the major train wrecks are
going to be... Then you make some tones at those frequencies, play
them back as you walk around the mix position, and prepare to be
amazed...
Like I said -- probably the room...
-- an endless quest -- good luck -- chas.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:57:09 -0400, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>My first thought was "it's the room"
>
>May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your speakers and
>acoustic treatment?
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and lack punch,
>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room in
>> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is it
>> the Paris bounce?
>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean really it
>> sounds
>> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74116 is a reply to message #74112] |
Sun, 15 October 2006 21:14 |
Tom Bruhl
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Cujo,
This is probably a different topic but . . .
I was kidding - kinda. I almost never dither with the harder =
music/pop/rock
high level stuff. I do give mastering houses 24bit mixes and expect =
them
to do it right. Have you made a comparison CD with a 24bit 2 mix file
that's been truncated in Paris vs. dithered in CEP? You might be =
surprised
if your work is highly compressed and virtually radio ready. Jazz, =
acoustic
and classical is different for sure.
Tom
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:4532f6a0$1@linux...
yes for my reference CD's. am I missing something?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>You dither huh? . . .
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
>news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
>
>
>
> It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere =
in
=3D
>the
> balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in =
my
=3D
>room
> to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the =
bass
=3D
>down
> 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but =
it =3D
>isn't
> only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D
>dimentional and
> "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area =
has
=3D
>been
> compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow =
not
=3D
>as
> full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D
>understandable,, but
> this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion =
to
=3D
>16
> bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
>
> my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I =
=3D
>want it
> to sound!
>
>
> hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have =
a =3D
>1968ME
> compressor?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> >My first thought was "it's the room"
> >
> >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
=3D
>speakers
> and=3D20
> >acoustic treatment?
> >
> >DOn
> >
> >
> >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=3D20
> >news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> >> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and =
lack
=3D
>punch,
> >> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated =
my
=3D
>room
> in
> >> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
=3D
>1073.. Is
> it
> >> the Paris bounce?
> >> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean =
really
=3D
>it
>
> >> sounds
> >> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20
> >
> >
>
>
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> really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere =
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> presence area has been<BR>compressed and almost glassy in bad way, =
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> Glassy, and somehow not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass =3D
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>I=3D20
> really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting else, =
=3D
>I'll try=3D20
> the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice =
nods
=3D
>
> critically, but it is not how I want it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey =
is
=3D
>anyone=3D20
> running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a=3D20
> 1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR >"Don Nafe" <<A =
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> href=3D3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>>My =
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> =3D
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>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
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> <BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =3D
>Ok, It is=3D20
> finally start to get to me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always =3D
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>they=3D20
> sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an externeal =3D
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> then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D
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> Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D
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> mean really it<BR><BR>>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74151 is a reply to message #74116] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 08:19 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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Yeah I always give the ME 24bit files, but you are saying your truancated
evaluation CD;s sound closer than the CEP?
I'll try that today.
I am ready to find a designer for my room..Anyone specialize in this sort
of thing for the small home studio?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Cujo,
>This is probably a different topic but . . .
>
>I was kidding - kinda. I almost never dither with the harder =
>music/pop/rock
>high level stuff. I do give mastering houses 24bit mixes and expect =
>them
>to do it right. Have you made a comparison CD with a 24bit 2 mix file
>that's been truncated in Paris vs. dithered in CEP? You might be =
>surprised
>if your work is highly compressed and virtually radio ready. Jazz, =
>acoustic
>and classical is different for sure.
>Tom
>
> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>news:4532f6a0$1@linux...
>
>
> yes for my reference CD's. am I missing something?
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >You dither huh? . . .
> > "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
> >news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
> >
> >
> >
> > It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere
=
>in
> =3D
> >the
> > balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in
=
>my
> =3D
> >room
> > to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the =
>bass
> =3D
> >down
> > 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but =
>it =3D
> >isn't
> > only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D
> >dimentional and
> > "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area =
>has
> =3D
> >been
> > compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow
=
>not
> =3D
> >as
> > full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D
> >understandable,, but
> > this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion
=
>to
> =3D
> >16
> > bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
> >
> > my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I
=
>=3D
> >want it
> > to sound!
> >
> >
> > hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have
=
>a =3D
> >1968ME
> > compressor?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> > >My first thought was "it's the room"
> > >
> > >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
>=3D
> >speakers
> > and=3D20
> > >acoustic treatment?
> > >
> > >DOn
> > >
> > >
> > >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=3D20
> > >news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> > >> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and =
>lack
> =3D
> >punch,
> > >> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> > >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated
=
>my
> =3D
> >room
> > in
> > >> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
>=3D
> >1073.. Is
> > it
> > >> the Paris bounce?
> > >> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean =
>really
> =3D
> >it
> >
> > >> sounds
> > >> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
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> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You dither huh? . . =
>.</FONT></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>=3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
> > =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
>dio=3D
> >.com</A>>=3D20
> > wrote in message <A=3D20
> > =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D"news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><=
>BR>=3D
> ><BR>It's=3D20
> > really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere =
>in=3D20
> > the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang =
>=3D
> >close in my=3D20
> > room<BR>to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to =
>turn
> =3D
> >the bass=3D20
> > down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the =
>house.
> =3D
> >but it=3D20
> > isn't<BR>only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear,
=
>3=3D20
> > dimentional and<BR>"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like
=
>the
> =3D
> >
> > presence area has been<BR>compressed and almost glassy in bad way,
=
>=3D
> >Dirty=3D20
> > Glassy, and somehow not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass =3D
> >and=3D20
> > treble would be understandable,, but<BR>this mushieness freaks me =
>out,
> =3D
> >I=3D20
> > really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting else,
=
>=3D
> >I'll try=3D20
> > the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice =
>nods
> =3D
> >
> > critically, but it is not how I want it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey
=
>is
> =3D
> >anyone=3D20
> > running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a=3D20
> > 1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR >"Don Nafe" <<A
=
>=3D
> >
> > href=3D3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>>My
=
>=3D
> >first=3D20
> > thought was "it's the room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =3D
> >dimensions, the=3D20
> > approximate location of your speakers<BR>and <BR>>acoustic=3D20
> > treatment?<BR>><BR>>DOn<BR>><BR>><BR>>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
> > =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
>dio=3D
> >.com</A>>=3D20
> > wrote in message=3D20
> > <BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =3D
> >Ok, It is=3D20
> > finally start to get to me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always =3D
> >sounded=3D20
> > murky and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =3D
> >they=3D20
> > sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an externeal =3D
> >clock,=3D20
> > then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D
> >then new=3D20
> > Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D
> >the Paris=3D20
> > bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys =3D
> >doing..I=3D20
> > mean really it<BR><BR>>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D
> >different mix=3D20
> > to me...ARRRRGGHHH <BR>><BR>></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam, =3D
> >and=3D20
> >you?<BR><A=3D20
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is probably a different topic but
=
>. .=20
>.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was kidding - kinda. I almost =
>never dither=20
>with the harder music/pop/rock</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>high level stuff. I do give =
>mastering houses=20
>24bit mixes and expect them</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to do it right. Have you made a =
>comparison CD=20
>with a 24bit 2 mix file</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that's been truncated in Paris vs. =
>dithered in=20
>CEP? You might be surprised</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if your work is highly compressed and =
>virtually=20
>radio ready. Jazz, acoustic</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and classical is different for =
>sure.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>.com</A>>=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:4532f6a0$1@linux">news:4532f6a0$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>yes for=20
> my reference CD's. am I missing something?<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>You dither huh? . . .<BR>> =
>"Cujo"=20
> <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>.com</A>>=20
> wrote in message=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>news:4532d7e6$1@linux...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =
> It's=20
> really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere=20
> in<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> balance of bass and treble it seems =
>that it=20
> is pretty dang close in my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> to the =
>reference=20
> CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the=20
> bass<BR>=3D<BR>>down<BR>> 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get =
>it where it=20
> felt in the house. but it =3D<BR>>isn't<BR>> only that, =
>but in my=20
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> "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area=20
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> but<BR>> this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it =
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> conversion to<BR>=3D<BR>>16<BR>> bit, or somehting else, =
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> the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR>><BR>> my stuff still gets =
>some=20
> nice nods critically, but it is not how I =3D<BR>>want =
>it<BR>> to=20
> sound!<BR>><BR>><BR>> hey is anyone running mixes =
>through any=20
> mic pres? Anyone here have a =3D<BR>>1968ME<BR>> =20
> =
>compressor?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&g=
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> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> >My first thought was "it's the =
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> ><BR>> >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate =
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>>acoustic=20
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> ><BR>> ><BR>> >"Cujo" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
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> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Ok, It is =
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> >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then =
>treated=20
> my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> in<BR>> >> a mega =
>way, then=20
> new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =3D<BR>>1073.. =
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> >> like a totally different mix to =
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> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft =
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> fight spam, and =
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> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
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> =
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> Nafe" <<A =3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
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> the=3D20<BR>> approximate location of your =
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> wrote in message=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
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> =3D<BR>>Ok, It is=3D20<BR>> finally start to get to=20
> me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always=20
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> punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =
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> =3D<BR>>clock,=3D20<BR>> then a UAD 1 card, then treated =
>my=20
> room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D<BR>>then=20
> new=3D20<BR>> Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. =
>
> Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D<BR>>the =
>Paris=3D20<BR>> =20
> bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you =
>guys=20
> =3D<BR>>doing..I=3D20<BR>> mean really =
>it<BR><BR>>>=20
> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D<BR>>different=20
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> =
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>T=20
> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam,=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D" <A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74154 is a reply to message #74151] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 08:45 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
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I can help you sort out your room and what have you....send me an email and
I'll see what I can do for you
DOn
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4533a304$1@linux...
>
>
> Yeah I always give the ME 24bit files, but you are saying your truancated
> evaluation CD;s sound closer than the CEP?
>
> I'll try that today.
>
> I am ready to find a designer for my room..Anyone specialize in this sort
> of thing for the small home studio?
>
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Cujo,
>>This is probably a different topic but . . .
>>
>>I was kidding - kinda. I almost never dither with the harder =
>>music/pop/rock
>>high level stuff. I do give mastering houses 24bit mixes and expect =
>>them
>>to do it right. Have you made a comparison CD with a 24bit 2 mix file
>>that's been truncated in Paris vs. dithered in CEP? You might be =
>>surprised
>>if your work is highly compressed and virtually radio ready. Jazz, =
>>acoustic
>>and classical is different for sure.
>>Tom
>>
>> "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
>>news:4532f6a0$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> yes for my reference CD's. am I missing something?
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >You dither huh? . . .
>> > "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
>> >news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere
> =
>>in
>> =3D
>> >the
>> > balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in
> =
>>my
>> =3D
>> >room
>> > to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the =
>>bass
>> =3D
>> >down
>> > 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but =
>>it =3D
>> >isn't
>> > only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D
>> >dimentional and
>> > "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area =
>>has
>> =3D
>> >been
>> > compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow
> =
>>not
>> =3D
>> >as
>> > full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D
>> >understandable,, but
>> > this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion
> =
>>to
>> =3D
>> >16
>> > bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
>> >
>> > my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I
> =
>>=3D
>> >want it
>> > to sound!
>> >
>> >
>> > hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have
> =
>>a =3D
>> >1968ME
>> > compressor?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>> > >My first thought was "it's the room"
>> > >
>> > >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
>>=3D
>> >speakers
>> > and=3D20
>> > >acoustic treatment?
>> > >
>> > >DOn
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=3D20
>> > >news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
>> > >> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and =
>>lack
>> =3D
>> >punch,
>> > >> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
>> > >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated
> =
>>my
>> =3D
>> >room
>> > in
>> > >> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
>>=3D
>> >1073.. Is
>> > it
>> > >> the Paris bounce?
>> > >> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean =
>>really
>> =3D
>> >it
>> >
>> > >> sounds
>> > >> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>> >
>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>> ><HTML><HEAD>
>> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
>> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
>> ><STYLE></STYLE>
>> ></HEAD>
>> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
>> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You dither huh? . . =
>>.</FONT></DIV>
>> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>=3D
>> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> > <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
>>dio=3D
>> >.com</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote in message <A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><=
>>BR>=3D
>> ><BR>It's=3D20
>> > really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere =
>>in=3D20
>> > the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang =
>>=3D
>> >close in my=3D20
>> > room<BR>to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to =
>>turn
>> =3D
>> >the bass=3D20
>> > down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the =
>>house.
>> =3D
>> >but it=3D20
>> > isn't<BR>only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear,
> =
>>3=3D20
>> > dimentional and<BR>"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like
> =
>>the
>> =3D
>> >
>> > presence area has been<BR>compressed and almost glassy in bad way,
> =
>>=3D
>> >Dirty=3D20
>> > Glassy, and somehow not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass =3D
>> >and=3D20
>> > treble would be understandable,, but<BR>this mushieness freaks me =
>>out,
>> =3D
>> >I=3D20
>> > really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting else,
> =
>>=3D
>> >I'll try=3D20
>> > the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice =
>>nods
>> =3D
>> >
>> > critically, but it is not how I want it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey
> =
>>is
>> =3D
>> >anyone=3D20
>> > running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a=3D20
>> > 1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR >"Don Nafe" <<A
> =
>>=3D
>> >
>> > href=3D3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>>My
> =
>>=3D
>> >first=3D20
>> > thought was "it's the room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =3D
>> >dimensions, the=3D20
>> > approximate location of your speakers<BR>and <BR>>acoustic=3D20
>> > treatment?<BR>><BR>>DOn<BR>><BR>><BR>>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
>> > =3D
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
>>dio=3D
>> >.com</A>>=3D20
>> > wrote in message=3D20
>> > <BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =3D
>> >Ok, It is=3D20
>> > finally start to get to me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always =3D
>> >sounded=3D20
>> > murky and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =3D
>> >they=3D20
>> > sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an externeal =3D
>> >clock,=3D20
>> > then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D
>> >then new=3D20
>> > Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D
>> >the Paris=3D20
>> > bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys =3D
>> >doing..I=3D20
>> > mean really it<BR><BR>>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D
>> >different mix=3D20
>> > to me...ARRRRGGHHH <BR>><BR>></BLOCKQUOTE>
>> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>spam, =3D
>> >and=3D20
>> >you?<BR><A=3D20
>> =
>>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>>fer=3D
>> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>> >
>> >
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is probably a different topic but
> =
>>. .=20
>>.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was kidding - kinda. I almost =
>>never dither=20
>>with the harder music/pop/rock</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>high level stuff. I do give =
>>mastering houses=20
>>24bit mixes and expect them</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to do it right. Have you made a =
>>comparison CD=20
>>with a 24bit 2 mix file</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that's been truncated in Paris vs. =
>>dithered in=20
>>CEP? You might be surprised</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if your work is highly compressed and =
>>virtually=20
>>radio ready. Jazz, acoustic</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and classical is different for =
>>sure.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>.com</A>>=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:4532f6a0$1@linux">news:4532f6a0$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
>>yes for=20
>> my reference CD's. am I missing something?<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>You dither huh? . . .<BR>> =
>>"Cujo"=20
>> <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>.com</A>>=20
>> wrote in message=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>news:4532d7e6$1@linux...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =
>> It's=20
>> really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere=20
>> in<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> balance of bass and treble it seems =
>>that it=20
>> is pretty dang close in my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> to the =
>>reference=20
>> CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the=20
>> bass<BR>=3D<BR>>down<BR>> 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get =
>>it where it=20
>> felt in the house. but it =3D<BR>>isn't<BR>> only that, =
>>but in my=20
>> control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D<BR>>dimentional =
>>and<BR>> =20
>> "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area=20
>> has<BR>=3D<BR>>been<BR>> compressed and almost glassy in =
>>bad way,=20
>> Dirty Glassy, and somehow not<BR>=3D<BR>>as<BR>> full =
>>range. =20
>> So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D<BR>>understandable,,=20
>> but<BR>> this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it =
>>my=20
>> conversion to<BR>=3D<BR>>16<BR>> bit, or somehting else, =
>>I'll try=20
>> the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR>><BR>> my stuff still gets =
>>some=20
>> nice nods critically, but it is not how I =3D<BR>>want =
>>it<BR>> to=20
>> sound!<BR>><BR>><BR>> hey is anyone running mixes =
>>through any=20
>> mic pres? Anyone here have a =3D<BR>>1968ME<BR>> =20
>> =
>>compressor?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&g=
>>t; =20
>> "Don Nafe" <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>> >My first thought was "it's the =
>>room"<BR>> =20
>> ><BR>> >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate =
>>location=20
>> of your =3D<BR>>speakers<BR>> and=3D20<BR>> =
>>>acoustic=20
>> treatment?<BR>> ><BR>> >DOn<BR>> =20
>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >"Cujo" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>.com</A>>=20
>> wrote in message=3D20<BR>> =
>>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>> =20
>> >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Ok, It is =
>>finally start=20
>> to get to me.<BR>> >> My mixes in Paris have always =
>>sounded=20
>> murky and bass heavy and lack<BR>=3D<BR>>punch,<BR>> =
>>>>=20
>> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the =
>>room.<BR>> =20
>> >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then =
>>treated=20
>> my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> in<BR>> >> a mega =
>>way, then=20
>> new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =3D<BR>>1073.. =
>>Is<BR>> =20
>> it<BR>> >> the Paris bounce?<BR>> >> Is =
>>it the=20
>> dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean=20
>> really<BR>=3D<BR>>it<BR>><BR>> >> =
>>sounds<BR>> =20
>> >> like a totally different mix to =
>>me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20<BR>> =20
>> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft =
>>Lockspam to=20
>> fight spam, and =
>>you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
>> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
>> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
>> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
>> 6.00.2800.1400"=20
>> =
>>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>>D><BR>><BODY=20
>> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>>size=3D3D2>You=20
>> dither huh? . .=20
>> =
>>.</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"P=
>>ADDING-RIGHT:=20
>> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
>>#000000 2px=20
>> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Cujo"=20
>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>'>mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio</A=
>>>=3D<BR>>.com</A>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>> wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR'=
>>>news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>><BR><BR</A>>=3D<BR>><BR>It's=3D20<BR>> =20
>> really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere=20
>> in=3D20<BR>> the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems =
>>that it=20
>> is pretty dang =3D<BR>>close in my=3D20<BR>> =
>>room<BR>to the=20
>> reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to =
>>turn<BR>=3D<BR>>the=20
>> bass=3D20<BR>> down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get =
>>it where it=20
>> felt in the house.<BR>=3D<BR>>but it=3D20<BR>> =
>>isn't<BR>only=20
>> that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, =
>>3=3D20<BR>> =20
>> dimentional and<BR>"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, =
>>like=20
>> the<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> presence area has =
>>been<BR>compressed and=20
>> almost glassy in bad way, =3D<BR>>Dirty=3D20<BR>> Glassy, =
>>and somehow=20
>> not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass=20
>> =3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> treble would be understandable,,=20
>> but<BR>this mushieness freaks me =
>>out,<BR>=3D<BR>>I=3D20<BR>> =20
>> really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting =
>>else,=20
>> =3D<BR>>I'll try=3D20<BR>> the Wavelab dither=20
>> tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice=20
>> nods<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> critically, but it is not how I want =
>>
>> it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey=20
>> is<BR>=3D<BR>>anyone=3D20<BR>> running mixes through any =
>>mic pres?=20
>> Anyone here have a=3D20<BR>> =20
>> =
>>1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR=
>>><BR><BR><BR>"Don=20
>> Nafe" <<A =3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A'>mailto:dnafe@magma.ca"&=
>>gt;dnafe@magma.ca</A</A>>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>My =3D<BR>>first=3D20<BR>> thought was =
>>"it's the=20
>> room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =
>>=3D<BR>>dimensions,=20
>> the=3D20<BR>> approximate location of your =
>>speakers<BR>and=20
>> <BR>>acoustic=3D20<BR>> =20
>> =
>>treatment?<BR>><BR>>DOn<BR>><BR>><=
>>BR>>"Cujo"=20
>> <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
>>'>mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio</A=
>>>=3D<BR>>.com</A>>=3D20<BR>> =20
>> wrote in message=3D20<BR>> =20
>> =
>><BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>>=
>>;<BR>>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>Ok, It is=3D20<BR>> finally start to get to=20
>> me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always=20
>> =3D<BR>>sounded=3D20<BR>> murky and bass heavy and lack=20
>> punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =
>>=3D<BR>>they=3D20<BR>> =20
>> sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an =
>>externeal=20
>> =3D<BR>>clock,=3D20<BR>> then a UAD 1 card, then treated =
>>my=20
>> room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D<BR>>then=20
>> new=3D20<BR>> Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. =
>>
>> Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D<BR>>the =
>>Paris=3D20<BR>> =20
>> bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you =
>>guys=20
>> =3D<BR>>doing..I=3D20<BR>> mean really =
>>it<BR><BR>>>=20
>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D<BR>>different=20
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>> =
>><BR>><BR>></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FON=
>>T=20
>> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>>spam,=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D "<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
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| Re: Loosing m mind [message #74155 is a reply to message #74151] |
Mon, 16 October 2006 08:40 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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I flew Emmitt Siniard out here to help me set my room up when I moved into
this place. He's in Vegas these days and is a Parisite/musician/engineer and
studio designer.
If you want to contact him PM me at animix@animas.net
It was well worth it, BTW.
Deej
"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
news:4533a304$1@linux...
>
>
> Yeah I always give the ME 24bit files, but you are saying your truancated
> evaluation CD;s sound closer than the CEP?
>
> I'll try that today.
>
> I am ready to find a designer for my room..Anyone specialize in this sort
> of thing for the small home studio?
>
>
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Cujo,
> >This is probably a different topic but . . .
> >
> >I was kidding - kinda. I almost never dither with the harder =
> >music/pop/rock
> >high level stuff. I do give mastering houses 24bit mixes and expect =
> >them
> >to do it right. Have you made a comparison CD with a 24bit 2 mix file
> >that's been truncated in Paris vs. dithered in CEP? You might be =
> >surprised
> >if your work is highly compressed and virtually radio ready. Jazz, =
> >acoustic
> >and classical is different for sure.
> >Tom
> >
> > "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
> >news:4532f6a0$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > yes for my reference CD's. am I missing something?
> >
> >
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >You dither huh? . . .
> > > "Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =3D
> > >news:4532d7e6$1@linux...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere
> =
> >in
> > =3D
> > >the
> > > balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang close in
> =
> >my
> > =3D
> > >room
> > > to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the =
> >bass
> > =3D
> > >down
> > > 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the house. but =
> >it =3D
> > >isn't
> > > only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D
> > >dimentional and
> > > "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area =
> >has
> > =3D
> > >been
> > > compressed and almost glassy in bad way, Dirty Glassy, and somehow
> =
> >not
> > =3D
> > >as
> > > full range. So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D
> > >understandable,, but
> > > this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it my conversion
> =
> >to
> > =3D
> > >16
> > > bit, or somehting else, I'll try the Wavelab dither tomorrow.
> > >
> > > my stuff still gets some nice nods critically, but it is not how I
> =
> >=3D
> > >want it
> > > to sound!
> > >
> > >
> > > hey is anyone running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have
> =
> >a =3D
> > >1968ME
> > > compressor?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
> > > >My first thought was "it's the room"
> > > >
> > > >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate location of your =
> >=3D
> > >speakers
> > > and=3D20
> > > >acoustic treatment?
> > > >
> > > >DOn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message=3D20
> > > >news:4532b8eb$1@linux...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Ok, It is finally start to get to me.
> > > >> My mixes in Paris have always sounded murky and bass heavy and =
> >lack
> > =3D
> > >punch,
> > > >> outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the room.
> > > >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then treated
> =
> >my
> > =3D
> > >room
> > > in
> > > >> a mega way, then new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =
> >=3D
> > >1073.. Is
> > > it
> > > >> the Paris bounce?
> > > >> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean =
> >really
> > =3D
> > >it
> > >
> > > >> sounds
> > > >> like a totally different mix to me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> > >
> > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> > ><HTML><HEAD>
> > ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
> > >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
> > ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> > ><STYLE></STYLE>
> > ></HEAD>
> > ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>You dither huh? . . =
> >.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
> > >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >=3D
> > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
> > > =3D
> > =
>
>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
> >dio=3D
> > >.com</A>>=3D20
> > > wrote in message <A=3D20
> > > =3D
> > =
>
>>href=3D3D"news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><=
> >BR>=3D
> > ><BR>It's=3D20
> > > really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere =
> >in=3D20
> > > the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems that it is pretty dang =
> >=3D
> > >close in my=3D20
> > > room<BR>to the reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to =
> >turn
> > =3D
> > >the bass=3D20
> > > down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get it where it felt in the =
> >house.
> > =3D
> > >but it=3D20
> > > isn't<BR>only that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear,
> =
> >3=3D20
> > > dimentional and<BR>"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like
> =
> >the
> > =3D
> > >
> > > presence area has been<BR>compressed and almost glassy in bad way,
> =
> >=3D
> > >Dirty=3D20
> > > Glassy, and somehow not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass =3D
> > >and=3D20
> > > treble would be understandable,, but<BR>this mushieness freaks me =
> >out,
> > =3D
> > >I=3D20
> > > really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting else,
> =
> >=3D
> > >I'll try=3D20
> > > the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice =
> >nods
> > =3D
> > >
> > > critically, but it is not how I want it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey
> =
> >is
> > =3D
> > >anyone=3D20
> > > running mixes through any mic pres? Anyone here have a=3D20
> > > 1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR >"Don Nafe" <<A
> =
> >=3D
> > >
> > > href=3D3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>> wrote:<BR>>My
> =
> >=3D
> > >first=3D20
> > > thought was "it's the room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =3D
> > >dimensions, the=3D20
> > > approximate location of your speakers<BR>and <BR>>acoustic=3D20
> > > treatment?<BR>><BR>>DOn<BR>><BR>><BR>>"Cujo" <<A=3D20
> > > =3D
> > =
>
>>href=3D3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstu=
> >dio=3D
> > >.com</A>>=3D20
> > > wrote in message=3D20
> > > <BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> =3D
> > >Ok, It is=3D20
> > > finally start to get to me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always =3D
> > >sounded=3D20
> > > murky and bass heavy and lack punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =3D
> > >they=3D20
> > > sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an externeal =3D
> > >clock,=3D20
> > > then a UAD 1 card, then treated my room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D
> > >then new=3D20
> > > Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D
> > >the Paris=3D20
> > > bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you guys =3D
> > >doing..I=3D20
> > > mean really it<BR><BR>>> sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D
> > >different mix=3D20
> > > to me...ARRRRGGHHH <BR>><BR>></BLOCKQUOTE>
> > ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
> >spam, =3D
> > >and=3D20
> > >you?<BR><A=3D20
> > =
>
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
> >fer=3D
> > >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> > >
> > >
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cujo,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is probably a different topic but
> =
> >. .=20
> >.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was kidding - kinda. I almost =
> >never dither=20
> >with the harder music/pop/rock</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>high level stuff. I do give =
> >mastering houses=20
> >24bit mixes and expect them</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to do it right. Have you made a =
> >comparison CD=20
> >with a 24bit 2 mix file</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that's been truncated in Paris vs. =
> >dithered in=20
> >CEP? You might be surprised</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>if your work is highly compressed and =
> >virtually=20
> >radio ready. Jazz, acoustic</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and classical is different for =
> >sure.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Cujo" <<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >.com</A>>=20
> > wrote in message <A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"news:4532f6a0$1@linux">news:4532f6a0$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
> >yes for=20
> > my reference CD's. am I missing something?<BR><BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" =
> ><<A=20
> > href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
> > wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>You dither huh? . . .<BR>> =
> >"Cujo"=20
> > <<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >.com</A>>=20
> > wrote in message=20
> > =
> >=3D<BR>>news:4532d7e6$1@linux...<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> =
> > It's=20
> > really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere=20
> > in<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> balance of bass and treble it seems =
> >that it=20
> > is pretty dang close in my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> to the =
> >reference=20
> > CD's but I get to the car and I have to turn the=20
> > bass<BR>=3D<BR>>down<BR>> 1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get =
> >it where it=20
> > felt in the house. but it =3D<BR>>isn't<BR>> only that, =
> >but in my=20
> > control room, the mises sound clear, 3 =3D<BR>>dimentional =
> >and<BR>> =20
> > "airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, like the presence area=20
> > has<BR>=3D<BR>>been<BR>> compressed and almost glassy in =
> >bad way,=20
> > Dirty Glassy, and somehow not<BR>=3D<BR>>as<BR>> full =
> >range. =20
> > So, the EQ thing bass and treble would be =3D<BR>>understandable,,=20
> > but<BR>> this mushieness freaks me out, I really wonder if it =
> >my=20
> > conversion to<BR>=3D<BR>>16<BR>> bit, or somehting else, =
> >I'll try=20
> > the Wavelab dither tomorrow.<BR>><BR>> my stuff still gets =
> >some=20
> > nice nods critically, but it is not how I =3D<BR>>want =
> >it<BR>> to=20
> > sound!<BR>><BR>><BR>> hey is anyone running mixes =
> >through any=20
> > mic pres? Anyone here have a =3D<BR>>1968ME<BR>> =20
> > =
> >compressor?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&g=
> >t; =20
> > "Don Nafe" <<A =
> >href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
> > wrote:<BR>> >My first thought was "it's the =
> >room"<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> >May I ask the room dimensions, the approximate =
> >location=20
> > of your =3D<BR>>speakers<BR>> and=3D20<BR>> =
> >>acoustic=20
> > treatment?<BR>> ><BR>> >DOn<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> ><BR>> >"Cujo" <<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >.com</A>>=20
> > wrote in message=3D20<BR>> =
> >>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>> =20
> > >><BR>> >><BR>> >> Ok, It is =
> >finally start=20
> > to get to me.<BR>> >> My mixes in Paris have always =
> >sounded=20
> > murky and bass heavy and lack<BR>=3D<BR>>punch,<BR>> =
> >>>=20
> > outside my room, And they sound slamming inside the =
> >room.<BR>> =20
> > >> First I got an externeal clock, then a UAD 1 card, then =
> >treated=20
> > my<BR>=3D<BR>>room<BR>> in<BR>> >> a mega =
> >way, then=20
> > new Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the =3D<BR>>1073.. =
> >Is<BR>> =20
> > it<BR>> >> the Paris bounce?<BR>> >> Is =
> >it the=20
> > dithering in CEP? what are you guys doing..I mean=20
> > really<BR>=3D<BR>>it<BR>><BR>> >> =
> >sounds<BR>> =20
> > >> like a totally different mix to =
> >me...ARRRRGGHHH=3D20<BR>> =20
> > ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft =
> >Lockspam to=20
> > fight spam, and =
> >you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> > <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> > Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
> > http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
> > =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
> >content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> > 6.00.2800.1400"=20
> > =
> >name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
> >D><BR>><BODY=20
> > bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
> >size=3D3D2>You=20
> > dither huh? . .=20
> > =
> >.</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"P=
> >ADDING-RIGHT:=20
> > 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =
> >#000000 2px=20
> > solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Cujo"=20
> > <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D'mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >'>mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio</A=
> >>=3D<BR>>.com</A>>=3D20<BR>> =20
> > wrote in message <A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D'news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR'=
> >>news:4532d7e6$1@linux">news:4532d7e6$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
> ><BR><BR</A>>=3D<BR>><BR>It's=3D20<BR>> =20
> > really hard to describe, it has to be the room, but somewhere=20
> > in=3D20<BR>> the<BR>balance of bass and treble it seems =
> >that it=20
> > is pretty dang =3D<BR>>close in my=3D20<BR>> =
> >room<BR>to the=20
> > reference CD's but I get to the car and I have to =
> >turn<BR>=3D<BR>>the=20
> > bass=3D20<BR>> down<BR>1 and trebl up 2 clciks to get =
> >it where it=20
> > felt in the house.<BR>=3D<BR>>but it=3D20<BR>> =
> >isn't<BR>only=20
> > that, but in my control room, the mises sound clear, =
> >3=3D20<BR>> =20
> > dimentional and<BR>"airy" but the CD burns sound almost hazy, =
> >like=20
> > the<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> presence area has =
> >been<BR>compressed and=20
> > almost glassy in bad way, =3D<BR>>Dirty=3D20<BR>> Glassy, =
> >and somehow=20
> > not as<BR>full range. So, the EQ thing bass=20
> > =3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>> treble would be understandable,,=20
> > but<BR>this mushieness freaks me =
> >out,<BR>=3D<BR>>I=3D20<BR>> =20
> > really wonder if it my conversion to 16<BR>bit, or somehting =
> >else,=20
> > =3D<BR>>I'll try=3D20<BR>> the Wavelab dither=20
> > tomorrow.<BR><BR>my stuff still gets some nice=20
> > nods<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> critically, but it is not how I want =
> >
> > it<BR>to sound!<BR><BR><BR>hey=20
> > is<BR>=3D<BR>>anyone=3D20<BR>> running mixes through any =
> >mic pres?=20
> > Anyone here have a=3D20<BR>> =20
> > =
> >1968ME<BR>compressor?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR=
> >><BR><BR><BR>"Don=20
> > Nafe" <<A =3D<BR>><BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D'mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A'>mailto:dnafe@magma.ca"&=
> >gt;dnafe@magma.ca</A</A>>>=20
> > wrote:<BR>>My =3D<BR>>first=3D20<BR>> thought was =
> >"it's the=20
> > room"<BR>><BR>>May I ask the room =
> >=3D<BR>>dimensions,=20
> > the=3D20<BR>> approximate location of your =
> >speakers<BR>and=20
> > <BR>>acoustic=3D20<BR>> =20
> > =
> >treatment?<BR>><BR>>DOn<BR>><BR>><=
> >BR>>"Cujo"=20
> > <<A=3D20<BR>> =3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D'mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio=
> >'>mailto:chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com">chris@nospamapplemanstudio</A=
> >>=3D<BR>>.com</A>>=3D20<BR>> =20
> > wrote in message=3D20<BR>> =20
> > =
> ><BR>>news:4532b8eb$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>>=
> >;<BR>>>=20
> > =3D<BR>>Ok, It is=3D20<BR>> finally start to get to=20
> > me.<BR>>> My mixes in Paris have always=20
> > =3D<BR>>sounded=3D20<BR>> murky and bass heavy and lack=20
> > punch,<BR>>> outside my room, And =
> >=3D<BR>>they=3D20<BR>> =20
> > sound slamming inside the room.<BR>>> First I got an =
> >externeal=20
> > =3D<BR>>clock,=3D20<BR>> then a UAD 1 card, then treated =
> >my=20
> > room<BR>in<BR>>> a mega way, =3D<BR>>then=20
> > new=3D20<BR>> Dynaudio BM15s then another UAD with the 1073.. =
> >
> > Is<BR>it<BR>>> =3D<BR>>the =
> >Paris=3D20<BR>> =20
> > bounce?<BR>>> Is it the dithering in CEP? what are you =
> >guys=20
> > =3D<BR>>doing..I=3D20<BR>> mean really =
> >it<BR><BR>>>=20
> > sounds<BR>>> like a totally =3D<BR>>different=20
> > mix=3D20<BR>> to me...ARRRRGGHHH=20
> > =
> ><BR>><BR>></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FON=
> >T=20
> > size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
> >spam,=20
> > =
> >=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D" <A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
> >'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
> >>=3D<BR>>.html</A>=20
> > =
> ></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>></BLOC=
> >KQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
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