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Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62328] Tue, 03 January 2006 21:55 Go to next message
Pete Ruthenburg is currently offline  Pete Ruthenburg   
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Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62357 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jef knight[1] is currently offline  jef knight[1]   CANADA
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with PARIS.

Tony


"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bbf7e6@linux...
> Yeah, he and Edmund told us how great it was and then bailed on us. Right?
> Tell me if I'm wrong.
>
> Edna wrote:
>> Curious as to what he moved to from Paris. From what I've read of his
>> older
>> posts, and the fact he made an instructional video, seemed like he was
>> pretty happy with Paris.
>> Edna
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43bbf0ce@linux...
>>
>>>Maybe that was the problem. I think the man BrianT just wanted a real
>>
>> life,
>>
>>>not only breathing here with his pen, year after year ;-)
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he is
>>>>today....sheesh!
>>>&g
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62367 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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burg@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bb5535$1@linux...
>
> SO we've been using a 27" up til now.The wifey and I are
> thinking of getting a new tv.We started out looking at 30-32"
> tube HDTVs,but then the picture quality of the lcds started to
> wow us.
>
> Now I see you can get 42" projection DLP and Lcds for less than
> 2 grand.So our budget has maybe doubled from what we were
> thinking at first.We just don't want to buy something then want
> something else a couple of years later.
>
> Anybody got some cool sets their running or have any advice.
>
> I'm really eyeing the Sony 42" projection LCD pretty good right
> now.
>
> TIA,
> PeteGoing to get another MB for my barton core 2500+ cpu. The ECS pile I had
finally expired. Have been looking at possibly ASUS ABIT MSI Shuttle and
EPOX. I can get a new feature loaded EPOX 8RDA3+ pretty reasonable or look
for the others used on ebay - prices in $70 range. Also can pick up a new
nVidia FX5200 dual head video card cheap, or a MM G450 real cheap. The
nVidia chipset boards have a little better performance, and I've had good
luck with their video cards. Any tips on what works well or not with
PARIS?Yes, and they make nice little space heaters too!

Tony


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:43bc018a@linux...
>
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62369 is a reply to message #62367] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mark McDermott is currently offline  Mark McDermott   
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in message
> news:43bbfab2$1@linux...
>
>>Don't "undo record" while Paris is in the middle of creating overviews for
>>32 audio tracks 1.5 hours long.... BOOM! ;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>John wrote:
>>
>>>Can anyone add or clarify my new list of Paris no nos ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Things to keep you from crashing.
>>>
>>>
>>>In STOP mode
>>>
>>> DON'T
>>> * select a new Native Effect if the current one is open
>>> * enter record mode without first setting your record path
>>>(Ctrl-R)
>>> * use the name of the project for your recording path
>>> * save with looping enabled
>>>
>>>During Playback or Recording
>>>
>>> DON'T
>>> * change inserts (native or eds)
>>> * move loop or punch points
>>> * enable or disable loop or punch
>>>
>>>Rendering
>>> DON'T
>>> * render tracks with different lengths
>>>
>>>NoLimit
>>>
>>> DON'T
>>> * use 0 or 50 values
>
>
>DLP rear projection is the best way to go... replace the bulb abd it
looks brand new. LCD fades as does Plasma... expect a useable
lifespan of 4-5 years with Plasma.

David.

Pete Ruthenburg wrote:

> SO we've been using a 27" up til now.The wifey and I are
> thinking of getting a new tv.We started out looking at 30-32"
> tube HDTVs,but then the picture quality of the lcds started to
> wow us.
>
> Now I see you can get 42" projection DLP and Lcds for less than
> 2 grand.So our budg
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62373 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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>>>Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and
R&B/rock/gospel
>>>I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
>>>like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
>>>personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
>>>fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>>>
>>>
>>>That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where
>fortunes
>>>are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their experiences
>>>or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in emperical
>>>results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the Nashville
>>>CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound different
>>>then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
>>>or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with
more
>>>convincing data.
>>>
>>>But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and
think
>>>they sound quite nice.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>
>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>>>Gospel
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62374 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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> >>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>ITB
>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>
>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>>>in
>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>>>same
>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>tracks,
>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>or
>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>
>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>>
>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62376 is a reply to message #62374] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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eer's opinon.
>>>>
>>>>P.S
>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>>floating
>>>>point mixer..
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>>in
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>full
>>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>>it
>>>>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62378 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
EK Sound is currently offline  EK Sound   CANADA
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t;>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>seem
>>>>to
>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Rod,

I've read really good stuff about the True Systems 8 channel unit, but I'm
not sure if it has lightpipe. A friend of mine who runs a Nuendo system
actually thinks the new Mackie Onyx 8 channel unit sounded pretty good for
the money. I haven't heard it yet myself, but he said it was clean and
didn't color the sound to ears. He's one of the few people I personally know
who's ears I respect, for what it's worth. Some ideas there anyway.

Tony

Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62382 is a reply to message #62378] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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t;>
>>>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at
24
>>>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel

>>>>>>>>>has,
>>>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these

>>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>
>>
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62387 is a reply to message #62373] Wed, 04 January 2006 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pete Ruthenburg is currently offline  Pete Ruthenburg   
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ion on the DLP.
That's been my experience anyway. Also, watch some action shots on both
units. There should be less blurring with the DLP's. And yes, TV's are
almost like computers now. Obsolete in 12 to 18 months. Another penny and
half for you. ;>)

Tony


"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43bc06ea$1@linux...
>
> Tony,thanks for the info.At Best Buy they had a Samsung 42"DLP
> and Sony 42" projection LCD set up next to each other and both my
> wife and I preferred the LCD to the DLP.
> If I bought right now it would probably be some kind of rear
> projection deal.After reading some stuff on Cnet it seems some
> newer technolgy will be out this year and some prices dropping on
> things,but I guess you could always say that.
> Right now I'm wondering if I should hold off for a little bit,
> save a little money and see what happens technology-wise.
>
> Thanks,
> Pete
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Pete,
>>
>>I research this stuff a little bit from time to time. I bought a 42"
>>Plasma
>
>>a couple of years ago. It's been a decent TV, but if I was looking now,
> I'd
>>go with the DLP technology rear projectors. The picture is actually better
>
>>in my and several "TV magazine guru's" opinion, and the technology is very
>
>>sturdy. Also, as Jef said, Plasma and LCD tech is very hard to repair.
>>It's
>
>>more like if it goes bad, plan on replacing it. If you do go with a Plasma
>
>>or LCD, get the extended warranty. If you go somewhere like Best Buy, try
>
>>talking the salesman into discounting the TV by the price of the warranty,
>
>>so you basically end up getting it free. That's what I did. They'll
>>usually
>
>>work with you, because I think they make more commission on selling the
>
>>warranties than the TV's. That's my two cents!
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:43bb5535$1@linux...
>>>
>>> SO we've been using a 27" up
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62394 is a reply to message #62387] Wed, 04 January 2006 09:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>
>>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>>>opinon.
>>>>>>>P.S
>>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
>>>>>>>32bit
>>>>>
>>>>> floating
>>>>>
>>>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
> and
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
> from
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
> (the
>>>>>
>>>>> full
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
>>>>>>>>(reassembled),
>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
>>>>>>>>>quite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>
>>>>>>>>>one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?<
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62407 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>>>>>>those
>>>>>>
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
>> 30
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tracks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get
lost
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>>
>>>>>>>>intacked,
>>>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>>>>>>>>Paris..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>>>>>discussions
>>>>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>
>>>>>>>>Opinions
>>>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
>> it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
>> i/o
>>>>>>
>>>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>>>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>>>>opinon.
>>>>>>>>P.S
>>>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to

>>>>>>>>32bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> floating
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
>> from
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>>>>And..it only
Re: Way OT-Shopping for a new TV.Any advice?LCD,Plasma,DLP ect. [message #62459 is a reply to message #62328] Wed, 04 January 2006 21:34 Go to previous message
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ough
> >> >
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the
folders
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>within
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go
> > into
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>every
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is
> >> >>
> >> >>running
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and
sub-sub
> >> >>>>>>directories within my main directories. How could this happen?
> >> >>>>>>Prior
> >> >
> >> > to
> >> >
> >> >>>>>>hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share
on
> >> >>
> >> >>both
> >> >>
> >> >>>>>>machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long.
The
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>current
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>>>situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else
> > can
> >> >>>>>>happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
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