| Error 18/12 [message #108807] |
Sat, 04 July 2015 08:08  |
danielcornelius
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The Error 18/12 comes very often this days at my 3 Mec System.
Someone knows how to debug it ?
What is my Problem ?
Window appears with this message :
Error in initializing Paris Engine. Error code 18/12
Cannot find something in ParisWiki. I have open up a ParisWiki column with error 18/12.
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
[Updated on: Sat, 04 July 2015 08:15] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108813 is a reply to message #108812] |
Wed, 08 July 2015 18:34  |
Will The Weirdo
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Registered: December 2009
Location: On The Lake
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As a long time PARIS user I'm a pro at troubleshooting PARIS. These are the steps I would take.
1. Reload PARIS software.
2. Remove all your EDS cards, use an eraser and clean the card connectors.
3. Start with one card only and get PARIS back running, adding one card back at time if it runs. If the one card does not run, switch cards, you could have a bad EDS. The key is to simplify your setup here, just get PARIS running again, then slowly rebuild your setup until the problem resurfaces, leading you to the issue.
4. After this, if PARIS will not run 1 card, I start looking at the computer...... pray you get it working before this step.
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108814 is a reply to message #108813] |
Thu, 09 July 2015 07:45 |
danielcornelius
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I have checked the EDS Cards now. They are still alive in one card system. I believe its a damaged ribbon, that cause the problem ?
Any eraser or a special eraser ?
The EDS Contacts are not golden ?
@Will
Thx for fast replay !
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108816 is a reply to message #108814] |
Thu, 09 July 2015 15:03 |
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Any eraser should work - old fashioned light-grey or white typewriter erasers are particularly good because they have a mild abrasive grit embedded in them - just clean gently and be careful not to leave crumbs of eraser on the card. Also electrical contact cleaner like CAIG Deoxit can be handy for this sort of cleaning.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
[Updated on: Thu, 09 July 2015 15:04] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108820 is a reply to message #108818] |
Fri, 10 July 2015 09:58 |
danielcornelius
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Thank you all. I will try it tomorrow ! 
Another question :
Why are the EDS cards in a three card system very hot ?
They are so hot, that i can cooking eggs on it, i believe...
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
[Updated on: Fri, 10 July 2015 10:12] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108822 is a reply to message #108820] |
Fri, 10 July 2015 10:24 |
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They run hot, and in hot weather can't efficiently shed that heat into the surrounding air. The good news is that a ton of these have been operated in hot locations and very few seem to have failed, so they seem to be pretty robust - it's just that performance issues (crashes etc) will show up when they can't shed that heat.
Three basic parts to proper cooling:
1) the chips themselves can be cooled by putting heatsinks on them (cheap at your local computer supply place) with proper thermal paste (thanks for that idea, Dimitrios!)
2) then that heat from the chips needs to be guided out of the computer and replaced by cooler air - make sure your air intakes aren't blocked by anything and that the fans are working well, consider adding an additional fan (also dirt cheap at the same supply place)
3) then that heat that's been removed from the computer itself needs to be guided away and replaced by cooler air - make sure your computer is in a well-ventilated area (I use the computer's own power supply and a couple of longer cables to power a couple of fans outside the case that ventilate the "machine room"; they go on when the computer does, and they're virtually silent). I also have a small bathroom fan above the computer to extract the hot air from the top of the machine room; the intake fans draw their air from a cool shady spot at ground level.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
[Updated on: Sun, 26 July 2015 23:14] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108834 is a reply to message #108825] |
Fri, 24 July 2015 08:59 |
danielcornelius
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I have checked all SCSI Cables EDS Cards and Mecs as a one Card System. They all are working right. But if i try to use a two card system, Paris says no MEC is connected. But there is one connected and it shows the 48kHz LED for example at both at startup/booting. I have changed the ribbon too.
What can i do ?
Should i sell the most and buy UAD Apollo or something ?
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
[Updated on: Fri, 24 July 2015 09:00] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108837 is a reply to message #108835] |
Sun, 26 July 2015 07:09 |
danielcornelius
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I have mimimized my system to 2 eds cards. Now Paris Erro Window shows mesage : "Error initializing Paris Engine.No Interface was connected to the master card. Please make sure the cable is firmly connected an re-launsch Paris" 
I have connect the ribbons on card shown on uploaded foto.
16pin to 16pin (C) stripe left and two
20 pin to 20 pin (A & B)
C--C (Clock)
A--B (IO)
B--A (IO)
It works for a long time. But now there is nothing. I have checked SCSI with mecs as 1one card System. Runs evereyone . But in 2 or 3 Card system i get a lot of Error 1/1 7/7 18/12 and it says the one i write here on the top now.
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
[Updated on: Sun, 26 July 2015 10:48] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108838 is a reply to message #108837] |
Sun, 26 July 2015 11:05 |
Wayne
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Registered: July 2008
Location: Las Vegas
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Reviewing you pic.
The small clock ribbon cable might be the problem. Red stripe should be on the left just like the data cables. Also, I believe the cards should be in adjacent PCI slots but I could be wrong. Lastly, I always connect the EDS cable to PCI/EDS number one (submix A on PCI slot 1) and make all my changes to subsequent submixes (submix B, C, etc) via the global submixer.
Wayne
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108840 is a reply to message #108839] |
Mon, 27 July 2015 07:30 |
danielcornelius
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Hi JeffH,
Housesync, that was it ! 
@all
Thank you so much for troubleshooting.
@ Wayne,
the ribbons was not the problem.
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
[Updated on: Mon, 27 July 2015 07:35] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108841 is a reply to message #108840] |
Mon, 27 July 2015 08:39 |
danielcornelius
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One EDS is damaged in 3 Card system. 2 Cards run but 3 Cards d'ont run. if i use 3 Card system Error 2/2 appears.
I have checked the mec on the other card, everyone seems allright. I have checked the MB PCI Ports with damaged card too. On each the Error 2/2 appears too. if i use one health card, the Ports are working fine with EDS Card. 
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- Asio Driver Cubase 5LE,Cubase 12
- Asus Z97-C, LGA 1150
- Intel i5 2320
- 32GB RAM
- 4x Seagate Barracuda 750GB
- Win10 64 bit
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108849 is a reply to message #108848] |
Wed, 29 July 2015 16:54 |
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Excellent! If you can't salvage the card, might I recommend sending it to Doug Wellington, who's doing interesting things reverse engineering them? It might lead to cool things down the road.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Error 18/12 [message #108859 is a reply to message #108856] |
Sat, 01 August 2015 12:54 |
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No problem if you've still got a use for it - that's just where broken cards can go nowadays to avoid the landfill and still serve a useful purpose. So glad you got the issue resolved!
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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