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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80361 is a reply to message #80359] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 07:30   |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
using it on a desktop or laptop?
TCB
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Thad,
>
>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure that
>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the driver
>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used in
>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up on
>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and buy
>something different.
>
>Chuck
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an
esoteric
>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known, but
>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started to
>>hear/read that in various places.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it
>when
>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on
>board
>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>
>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on the
>>>A8V.
>>>>
>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>
>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>
>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox gizmo's
>>>
>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>a
>>>
>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The thing
>>>
>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least appears
>>>
>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>
>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>
>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>
>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>
>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>the
>>>FW
>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>
>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
You
>>>can
>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>
>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>
>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>the
>>>
>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost every
>>>
>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>
>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>but
>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU and
>>>RME
>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>
>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>
>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>if
>>>
>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>pres
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>
>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>will
>>>
>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
looking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
electric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in
the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
>you
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80362 is a reply to message #80361] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 08:34 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a PCMCIA
firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
Chuck
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>
>TCB
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thad,
>>
>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure that
>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the driver
>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
in
>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
on
>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
buy
>>something different.
>>
>>Chuck
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an
>esoteric
>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
but
>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
to
>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with it
>>when
>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the on
>>board
>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>
>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
the
>>>>A8V.
>>>>>
>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>
>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>
>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
gizmo's
>>>>
>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
thing
>>>>
>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
appears
>>>>
>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>
>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the network
>>>>
>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>
>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>
>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>the
>>>>FW
>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>
>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>You
>>>>can
>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>
>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>
>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
every
>>>>
>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range with
>>>>
>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>but
>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
and
>>>>RME
>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>
>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>
>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>
>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>if
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many mic
>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>>will
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>looking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is perfect
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in
>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a big
>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in so
>>you
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at one
>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80364 is a reply to message #80362] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 09:21 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
unwitting beta-tester.
Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
Neil
Neil
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
PCMCIA
>firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>
>Chuck
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad,
>>>
>>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure that
>>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
driver
>>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>in
>>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>on
>>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>buy
>>>something different.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for an
>>esoteric
>>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>but
>>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>to
>>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
it
>>>when
>>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a system
>>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
on
>>>board
>>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>>
>>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>the
>>>>>A8V.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>
>>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>>
>>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>
>>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>gizmo's
>>>>>
>>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>thing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>appears
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so our
>>>
>>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
network
>>>>>
>>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for simple
>>>>>
>>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>>
>>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>the
>>>>>FW
>>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>
>>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>You
>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in the
>>>
>>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues then
>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>every
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
with
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>and
>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>
>>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one time
>>>>if
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out, ADAT,
>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
mic
>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new routing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8 Pre
>>>will
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>looking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the Digimax
>>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm missing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they will
>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
perfect
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going in
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
big
>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
so
>>>you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
one
>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be better
>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80365 is a reply to message #80364] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 09:43 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get a pit
in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I had
a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that was
perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the draw
pulls and knobs on the B4.
Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol with
lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning how
to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the keyboard,
so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from disk
to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the manual
and said f*** it and gave up.
A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects that
I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
for whatever reason.
Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1 initialization
for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
antipace.
Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped re-authorization
process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything I had
just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and outputing
SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA to sync
with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit. All
phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering and
chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing in
real time.
This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't even
play a f**** midi piano.
So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much I would
like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock off
and head upstairs.
My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
Chuck
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>unwitting beta-tester.
>
>Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>
>Neil
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
>PCMCIA
>>firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>>>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thad,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
that
>>>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
>driver
>>>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>>in
>>>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>>on
>>>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>>buy
>>>>something different.
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
an
>>>esoteric
>>>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>but
>>>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>to
>>>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>it
>>>>when
>>>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a
system
>>>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
>on
>>>>board
>>>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>>the
>>>>>>A8V.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>>>
>>>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>
>>>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>gizmo's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>thing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>appears
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
our
>>>>
>>>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>network
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>the
>>>>>>FW
>>>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>You
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
then
>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>every
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>>and
>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
time
>>>>>if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
ADAT,
>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>mic
>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
routing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
Pre
>>>>will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
Digimax
>>>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
missing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
will
>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>perfect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
in
>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>big
>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>so
>>>>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>one
>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
better
>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80374 is a reply to message #80364] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 11:27 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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We get bad gear ALL THE TIME, and if you include security and software patches
that break other (critical) processes even more so. I've seen $30k servers
show up DOA and all we can do is ship it back and get another one because
the app runs on Solaris 8 so it's giddy up and SPARC or go home.
My argument you about Creamware wasn't that the world _shouldn't_ be as you
describe but that it's simply unreasonable to expect it will. Writing drivers
and building hardware to run on dozens of different revs of single and multicore
processors that run on an even greater number of chipsets isn't easy. Some
companies, like RME, seem to do a far better job than others, but if it can't
be made to work then their responsibility is to refund your money and that's
that. It wouldn't surprise me if you were the first person the retailer had
dealt with who wanted to run 88.2 and the literature said it supported it
so off it goes.
All that said, guess what, my RME RPM died after about two days.
You still willing to sell me those mics? They better JUST WORK ;-)
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>unwitting beta-tester.
>
>Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>
>Neil
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
>PCMCIA
>>firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>>>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thad,
>>>>
>>>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
that
>>>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
>driver
>>>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>>in
>>>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>>on
>>>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>>buy
>>>>something different.
>>>>
>>>>Chuck
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
an
>>>esoteric
>>>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>but
>>>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>to
>>>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>it
>>>>when
>>>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a
system
>>>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
>on
>>>>board
>>>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>>the
>>>>>>A8V.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>>>
>>>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>
>>>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>gizmo's
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>thing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>appears
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
our
>>>>
>>>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>network
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>the
>>>>>>FW
>>>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>You
>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
then
>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>every
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>>and
>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
time
>>>>>if
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
ADAT,
>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>mic
>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
routing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
Pre
>>>>will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
Digimax
>>>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
missing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
will
>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>perfect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
in
>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>big
>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>so
>>>>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>one
>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
better
>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80377 is a reply to message #80365] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 11:43 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
chuck duffy wrote:
> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>
> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get a pit
> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I had
> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that was
> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the draw
> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>
> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol with
> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning how
> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>
> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the keyboard,
> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from disk
> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the manual
> and said f*** it and gave up.
>
> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects that
> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
> for whatever reason.
>
> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1 initialization
> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
> antipace.
>
> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped re-authorization
> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything I had
> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and outputing
> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA to sync
> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>
> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit. All
> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>
> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering and
> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing in
> real time.
>
> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't even
> play a f**** midi piano.
>
> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much I would
> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock off
> and head upstairs.
>
> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>
>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
>> PCMCIA
>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thad,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
> that
>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
>> driver
>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>>> in
>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>>> on
>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>>> buy
>>>>> something different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
> an
>>>> esoteric
>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>> but
>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>> to
>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>> it
>>>>> when
>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a
> system
>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
>> on
>>>>> board
>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>>> the
>>>>>>> A8V.
>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>> gizmo's
>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>> thing
>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>> appears
>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
> our
>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>> network
>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
> simple
>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>> You
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
> the
>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
> then
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>> with
>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>>> and
>>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
> time
>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
> ADAT,
>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>> mic
>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
> Pre
>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
> Digimax
>>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
> missing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
> will
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
> in
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>> big
>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>> so
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>> one
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
> better
>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80379 is a reply to message #80377] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 14:06 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically the
room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated because
it's the family rec room.
The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright. It
doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of the
technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted controller,
a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated with
cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick. Then
I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in that
environment using the presonus.
In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums me
out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
Chuck
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>
>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>>
>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get a
pit
>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I
had
>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that
was
>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the draw
>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>>
>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
with
>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
how
>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>>
>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the
keyboard,
>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
disk
>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the manual
>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>>
>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
that
>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
>> for whatever reason.
>>
>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1
initialization
>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
>> antipace.
>>
>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped re-authorization
>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
I had
>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and
outputing
>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA to
sync
>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>>
>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
All
>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>>
>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering
and
>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
in
>> real time.
>>
>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
even
>> play a f**** midi piano.
>>
>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much I
would
>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock
off
>> and head upstairs.
>>
>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>>
>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with
a
>>> PCMCIA
>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
getting
>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are
you
>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
research,
>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
Snaps,
>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
>> that
>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all
the
>>> driver
>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
used
>>>> in
>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given
up
>>>> on
>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
and
>>>> buy
>>>>>> something different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something
'wrong'
>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
>> an
>>>>> esoteric
>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>>> but
>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad
drivers'
>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>>> to
>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>>> it
>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as
a
>> system
>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
the
>>> on
>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
firewire
>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces
on
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> A8V.
>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC
Konnect
>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
record
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on.
The
>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE
so
>> our
>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on
the
>>> network
>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
>> simple
>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
graphics/music
>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
figured
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
in
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
>> then
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
Presonus
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the
MOTU
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
controls
>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count
the
>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add
2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
>> time
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
>> ADAT,
>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>>> mic
>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU
8
>> Pre
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
your
>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>> Digimax
>>>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>> missing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
them......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
>> will
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all
is
>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is
a
>>> big
>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat
in
>>> so
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I
think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it
both
>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
at
>>> one
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I
be
>> better
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way
too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80380 is a reply to message #80379] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 13:10 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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On uprights I pull the front off and put a mic up over the sholder of
the player. Hell for headphone leakage if you don't have fully sealed
cans...
David.
chuck duffy wrote:
> Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically the
> room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated because
> it's the family rec room.
>
> The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright. It
> doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of the
> technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>
>
> That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
> the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted controller,
> a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated with
> cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
> all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick. Then
> I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
> ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in that
> environment using the presonus.
>
> In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums me
> out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>
> Chuck
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80381 is a reply to message #80379] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 14:22 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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But come to think of it, I am beginning to realize that I am just a sad sack
about this stuff. The other day I went to play guitar and nothing worked,
I left the cable plugged into the wah and the wah died. So I removed it
from the chain and the amp didn't work. I said screw it and decided to play
bass. Nothing doing. I left the cable plugged into that and the battery
for the active pickup died. hahahaha
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically the
>room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated because
>it's the family rec room.
>
>The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright. It
>doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of
the
>technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>
>
>That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
>the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted controller,
>a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated with
>cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
>all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick. Then
>I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in that
>environment using the presonus.
>
>In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
me
>out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>
>Chuck
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>>
>>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
>>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>>>
>>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
>>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get
a
>pit
>>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
>>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I
>had
>>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that
>was
>>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the
draw
>>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>>>
>>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
>>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
>with
>>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
>how
>>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>>>
>>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the
>keyboard,
>>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
>>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
>disk
>>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
>>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the
manual
>>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>>>
>>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
>that
>>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
>>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
>>> for whatever reason.
>>>
>>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1
>initialization
>>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
>>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
>>> antipace.
>>>
>>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
re-authorization
>>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
>I had
>>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and
>outputing
>>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA
to
>sync
>>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>>>
>>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
> All
>>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
>>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>>>
>>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering
>and
>>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
>in
>>> real time.
>>>
>>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
>>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
>even
>>> play a f**** midi piano.
>>>
>>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
I
>would
>>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock
>off
>>> and head upstairs.
>>>
>>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>>>
>>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with
>a
>>>> PCMCIA
>>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
>getting
>>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are
>you
>>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thad,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
>research,
>>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>Snaps,
>>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
>>> that
>>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all
>the
>>>> driver
>>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
>used
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given
>up
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
>and
>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> something different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something
>'wrong'
>>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
for
>>> an
>>>>>> esoteric
>>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad
>drivers'
>>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
with
>>>> it
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as
>a
>>> system
>>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
>the
>>>> on
>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
>firewire
>>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces
>on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> A8V.
>>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC
Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC
>Konnect
>>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
>record
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on.
>The
>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
least
>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE
>so
>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on
>the
>>>> network
>>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
for
>>> simple
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>graphics/music
>>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
>figured
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
recording
>>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
>in
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
headphone
>>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
>>> then
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
>Presonus
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the
>MOTU
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>controls
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count
>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add
>2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at
one
>>> time
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
>>> ADAT,
>>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As
many
>>>> mic
>>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and
new
>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU
>8
>>> Pre
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
>Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>your
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not
the
>>> Digimax
>>>>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
I'm
>>> missing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>them......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
>>> will
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all
>is
>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
>company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
is
>a
>>>> big
>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat
>in
>>>> so
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I
>think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
it
>both
>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
>at
>>>> one
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I
>be
>>> better
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way
>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80382 is a reply to message #80380] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 14:23 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Are cans the things that my kids were wearing for shoes the other day, or
are they the things on tweeters that they punched in playing spaceship.
I can't remember. I'm melting....
Chuck
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>On uprights I pull the front off and put a mic up over the sholder of
>the player. Hell for headphone leakage if you don't have fully sealed
>cans...
>
>David.
>
>chuck duffy wrote:
>> Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically
the
>> room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated
because
>> it's the family rec room.
>>
>> The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright.
It
>> doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of
the
>> technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>>
>>
>> That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
>> the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted controller,
>> a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated
with
>> cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
>> all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick.
Then
>> I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>> ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in
that
>> environment using the presonus.
>>
>> In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
me
>> out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80383 is a reply to message #80379] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 14:26 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hey Chuck,
This is obviously a huge drag for you, and if it's time for a break then
that's that. One thing to consider, the meat and potatoes of my setup is
SX/Live and NI Komplete. So far the VSTis have been _rock solid_ both on
the RME Acer laptop and the Core 2 Duo Creamware desktop. The NI acoustic
piano probably doesn't sound as good as Giga, but it sounds damn, damn good.
And they've ditched the stupid dongle thing for an online registration and
update/patching system that actually seems to work.
Just a thought. It certainly would let you stay within SX.
TCB
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically the
>room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated because
>it's the family rec room.
>
>The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright. It
>doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of
the
>technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>
>
>That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
>the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted controller,
>a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated with
>cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
>all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick. Then
>I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in that
>environment using the presonus.
>
>In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
me
>out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>
>Chuck
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>>
>>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>chuck duffy wrote:
>>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
>>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>>>
>>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
>>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get
a
>pit
>>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
>>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I
>had
>>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that
>was
>>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the
draw
>>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>>>
>>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
>>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
>with
>>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
>how
>>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>>>
>>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the
>keyboard,
>>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
>>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
>disk
>>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
>>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the
manual
>>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>>>
>>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
>that
>>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
>>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
>>> for whatever reason.
>>>
>>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1
>initialization
>>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
>>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
>>> antipace.
>>>
>>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
re-authorization
>>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
>I had
>>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and
>outputing
>>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA
to
>sync
>>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>>>
>>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
> All
>>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
>>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>>>
>>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering
>and
>>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
>in
>>> real time.
>>>
>>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
>>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
>even
>>> play a f**** midi piano.
>>>
>>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
I
>would
>>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock
>off
>>> and head upstairs.
>>>
>>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>>>
>>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with
>a
>>>> PCMCIA
>>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
>getting
>>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are
>you
>>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thad,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
>research,
>>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>Snaps,
>>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
>>> that
>>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all
>the
>>>> driver
>>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
>used
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given
>up
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
>and
>>>>> buy
>>>>>>> something different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something
>'wrong'
>>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
for
>>> an
>>>>>> esoteric
>>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad
>drivers'
>>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
with
>>>> it
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as
>a
>>> system
>>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
>the
>>>> on
>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
>firewire
>>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces
>on
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> A8V.
>>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC
Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC
>Konnect
>>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
>record
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on.
>The
>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
least
>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE
>so
>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on
>the
>>>> network
>>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
for
>>> simple
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>graphics/music
>>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
>figured
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
recording
>>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
>in
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
headphone
>>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
>>> then
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
>Presonus
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the
>MOTU
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>controls
>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count
>the
>>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add
>2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at
one
>>> time
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
>>> ADAT,
>>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As
many
>>>> mic
>>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and
new
>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU
>8
>>> Pre
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
>Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>your
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not
the
>>> Digimax
>>>>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
I'm
>>> missing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>them......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
>>> will
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all
>is
>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
>company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
is
>a
>>>> big
>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat
>in
>>>> so
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I
>think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
it
>both
>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
>at
>>>> one
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I
>be
>>> better
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way
>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80385 is a reply to message #80374] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 13:26 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Interesting thread for sure.
Chuck.. if you're watching.. man, get a stand alone HD24/mixer or get a
Creamware set up. I'm just sick of workarounds and conflicts and crap that
comes with a computer - I already do that all day long and I sure don't want
to do it for myself at night. What's that they say about mechanics and the
piles of junk they drive?
I am giddy to get home every night and get a few minutes learning SCOPE,
because it's a bit of a curve but it's just that fast and cool that I'm
pretty sure that's my next step beyond Paris at this point. My cold start to
Scope is up and running on an AMD2200/XP system is about 40 seconds. The
amount of I/O in that system is sickening man, email me if you want more
specs.
AA
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45db3d89$1@linux...
>
> We get bad gear ALL THE TIME, and if you include security and software
> patches
> that break other (critical) processes even more so. I've seen $30k servers
> show up DOA and all we can do is ship it back and get another one because
> the app runs on Solaris 8 so it's giddy up and SPARC or go home.
>
> My argument you about Creamware wasn't that the world _shouldn't_ be as
> you
> describe but that it's simply unreasonable to expect it will. Writing
> drivers
> and building hardware to run on dozens of different revs of single and
> multicore
> processors that run on an even greater number of chipsets isn't easy. Some
> companies, like RME, seem to do a far better job than others, but if it
> can't
> be made to work then their responsibility is to refund your money and
> that's
> that. It wouldn't surprise me if you were the first person the retailer
> had
> dealt with who wanted to run 88.2 and the literature said it supported it
> so off it goes.
>
> All that said, guess what, my RME RPM died after about two days.
>
> You still willing to sell me those mics? They better JUST WORK ;-)
>
> TCB
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>unwitting beta-tester.
>>
>>Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
>>PCMCIA
>>>firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI
>>>firewire.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
>>>>getting
>>>>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>>>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thad,
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
>>>>>research,
>>>>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>>>>>Snaps,
>>>>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
> that
>>>>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
>>driver
>>>>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>>>in
>>>>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>>>on
>>>>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>>>buy
>>>>>something different.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something
>>>>>>'wrong'
>>>>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
> an
>>>>esoteric
>>>>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>>but
>>>>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad
>>>>>>drivers'
>>>>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>>to
>>>>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>>it
>>>>>when
>>>>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a
> system
>>>>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
>>on
>>>>>board
>>>>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
>>>>>>>>firewire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>>>the
>>>>>>>A8V.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC
>>>>>>>>Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC
>>>>>>>>Konnect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>gizmo's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>>thing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>appears
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
> our
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>>network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
> simple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
>>>>>>>>>graphics/music
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
>>>>>>>>>figured
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>FW
>>>>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
>>>>>>>>>recording
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>>You
>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
>>>>>>>>>>headphone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
> then
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
>>>>>>>>>>Presonus
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>>>and
>>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix
>>>>>>>>>>controls
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2
>>>>>>>>>>DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
> time
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
> ADAT,
>>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>>mic
>>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for
>>>>>>>>>>>>monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
> routing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
> Pre
>>>>>will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Presonus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
> Digimax
>>>>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
> missing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
> will
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wait......If
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>perfect
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
> in
>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>>big
>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>>so
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>both
>>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>>one
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
> better
>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80399 is a reply to message #80381] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 16:03 |
Carl Amburn
Messages: 214
Registered: July 2005
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Does an acoustic guitar work for you?
-Carl
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45db6695$1@linux...
>
> But come to think of it, I am beginning to realize that I am just a sad
sack
> about this stuff. The other day I went to play guitar and nothing worked,
> I left the cable plugged into the wah and the wah died. So I removed it
> from the chain and the amp didn't work. I said screw it and decided to
play
> bass. Nothing doing. I left the cable plugged into that and the battery
> for the active pickup died. hahahaha
>
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >
> >Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically the
> >room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated
because
> >it's the family rec room.
> >
> >The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright. It
> >doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations of
> the
> >technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
> >
> >
> >That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and man
> >the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted
controller,
> >a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated
with
> >cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
> >all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick.
Then
> >I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
> >ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in
that
> >environment using the presonus.
> >
> >In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
> me
> >out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
> >
> >Chuck
> >
> >Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
> >>
> >>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >> -Jamie
> >> www.JamieKrutz.com
> >>
> >>
> >>chuck duffy wrote:
> >>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo
uncommonly
> >>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
> >>>
> >>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire
experience
> >>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get
> a
> >pit
> >>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just
pre-sonus.
> >>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I
> >had
> >>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that
> >was
> >>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the
> draw
> >>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
> >>>
> >>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the
conventional
> >>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
> >with
> >>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
> >how
> >>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
> >>>
> >>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the
> >keyboard,
> >>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when
powered
> >>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
> >disk
> >>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13
keystrokes
> >>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the
> manual
> >>> and said f*** it and gave up.
> >>>
> >>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
> >that
> >>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any
serious
> >>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris
projects
> >>> for whatever reason.
> >>>
> >>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1
> >initialization
> >>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a
couple
> >>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't
find
> >>> antipace.
> >>>
> >>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
> re-authorization
> >>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
> >I had
> >>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working
and
> >outputing
> >>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA
> to
> >sync
> >>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
> >>>
> >>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
> > All
> >>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in
standalone
> >>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
> >>>
> >>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the
stuttering
> >and
> >>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
> >in
> >>> real time.
> >>>
> >>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get
more
> >>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
> >even
> >>> play a f**** midi piano.
> >>>
> >>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
> I
> >would
> >>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I
knock
> >off
> >>> and head upstairs.
> >>>
> >>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
> >>>
> >>> Chuck
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
> >>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
> >>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
> >>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
> >>>> unwitting beta-tester.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
> >>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
> >>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
> >>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
> >>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
> >>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
> >>>>
> >>>> Neil
> >>>>
> >>>> Neil
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and
with
> >a
> >>>> PCMCIA
> >>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI
firewire.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
> >getting
> >>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me.
Are
> >you
> >>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> TCB
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Thad,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
> >research,
> >>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>
> >Snaps,
> >>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies
(figure
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all
> >the
> >>>> driver
> >>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
> >used
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically
given
> >up
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
> >and
> >>>>> buy
> >>>>>>> something different.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chuck
> >>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is
something
> >'wrong'
> >>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
> for
> >>> an
> >>>>>> esoteric
> >>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be
known,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has
'bad
> >drivers'
> >>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've
started
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> TCB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
> with
> >>>> it
> >>>>>>> when
> >>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as
> >a
> >>> system
> >>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
> >the
> >>>> on
> >>>>>>> board
> >>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> TCB
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
> >>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
> >firewire
> >>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
> >>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio
interfaces
> >on
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> A8V.
> >>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC
> Konnekt4D
> >>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
> >>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC
> >Konnect
> >>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with
Sonar.
> >>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus
Firebox
> >>>>> gizmo's
> >>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and
> >record
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on.
> >The
> >>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
> least
> >>>>> appears
> >>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE
> >so
> >>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on
> >the
> >>>> network
> >>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
> for
> >>> simple
> >>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new
> >graphics/music
> >>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I
> >figured
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> FW
> >>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
> recording
> >>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Deej
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current
drivers.
> >>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
> >in
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
> headphone
> >>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers
issues
> >>> then
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace
almost
> >>>>> every
> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price
range
> >>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the
> >Presonus
> >>>>>>>>> but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with the
> >MOTU
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> RME
> >>>>>>>>>>>> products.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the
cuemix
> >controls
> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
> >>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you
count
> >the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add
> >2 DigimaxFS
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at
> one
> >>> time
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and
out,
> >>> ADAT,
> >>>>>>>>> MANI
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As
> many
> >>>> mic
> >>>>>>>> pres
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep
for
> >monitoring
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and
> new
> >>> routing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU
> >8
> >>> Pre
> >>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the
> >Presonus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
> >your
> >>>>>> looking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not
> the
> >>> Digimax
> >>>>>>>>> FS.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire
Studio
> >>> instead.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
> I'm
> >>> missing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
> >them......
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for
plugging
> >>>>>> electric
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in
they
> >>> will
> >>>>>>>> sound
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
wait......If
> >>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all
> >is
> >>>> perfect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call the
> >company.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3
going
> >>> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
> is
> >a
> >>>> big
> >>>>>>>> deal.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat
> >in
> >>>> so
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I
> >think.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
> >directly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
> it
> >both
> >>>>>>> ways.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
> >at
> >>>> one
> >>>>>>>> time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can
handle
> >>>> recordin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is
there.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I
> >be
> >>> better
> >>>>>>>>> off
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to
Connect-icut.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really
existed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the
way
> >too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
> >>>>>>>>>> ADK
> >>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
> >>>
> >
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80401 is a reply to message #80399] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 17:24 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hi Carl,
I play acoustic all the time, have several laying around. I got bit by the
recording bug at age 17 or so with a 2 track then a 4 track. I love playing,
but I really like recording and the process more. Go figure...
Chuck
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>Does an acoustic guitar work for you?
>
>-Carl
>
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45db6695$1@linux...
>>
>> But come to think of it, I am beginning to realize that I am just a sad
>sack
>> about this stuff. The other day I went to play guitar and nothing worked,
>> I left the cable plugged into the wah and the wah died. So I removed
it
>> from the chain and the amp didn't work. I said screw it and decided to
>play
>> bass. Nothing doing. I left the cable plugged into that and the battery
>> for the active pickup died. hahahaha
>>
>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically
the
>> >room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated
>because
>> >it's the family rec room.
>> >
>> >The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright.
It
>> >doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations
of
>> the
>> >technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>> >
>> >
>> >That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and
man
>> >the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted
>controller,
>> >a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated
>with
>> >cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
>> >all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick.
>Then
>> >I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>> >ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in
>that
>> >environment using the presonus.
>> >
>> >In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
>> me
>> >out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>> >
>> >Chuck
>> >
>> >Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>> >>
>> >>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>> >>
>> >>Cheers,
>> >> -Jamie
>> >> www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>chuck duffy wrote:
>> >>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo
>uncommonly
>> >>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire
>experience
>> >>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get
>> a
>> >pit
>> >>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just
>pre-sonus.
>> >>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me.
I
>> >had
>> >>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff
that
>> >was
>> >>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the
>> draw
>> >>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>> >>>
>> >>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the
>conventional
>> >>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
>> >with
>> >>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
>> >how
>> >>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>> >>>
>> >>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from
the
>> >keyboard,
>> >>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when
>powered
>> >>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
>> >disk
>> >>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13
>keystrokes
>> >>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the
>> manual
>> >>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>> >>>
>> >>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
>> >that
>> >>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any
>serious
>> >>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris
>projects
>> >>> for whatever reason.
>> >>>
>> >>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with
1/1
>> >initialization
>> >>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for
a
>couple
>> >>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't
>find
>> >>> antipace.
>> >>>
>> >>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
>> re-authorization
>> >>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
>> >I had
>> >>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working
>and
>> >outputing
>> >>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA
>> to
>> >sync
>> >>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>> >>>
>> >>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
>> > All
>> >>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in
>standalone
>> >>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the
>stuttering
>> >and
>> >>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
>> >in
>> >>> real time.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get
>more
>> >>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
>> >even
>> >>> play a f**** midi piano.
>> >>>
>> >>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
>> I
>> >would
>> >>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I
>knock
>> >off
>> >>> and head upstairs.
>> >>>
>> >>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>> >>>
>> >>> Chuck
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>> >>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>> >>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>> >>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>> >>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>> >>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>> >>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>> >>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>> >>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>> >>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Neil
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Neil
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and
>with
>> >a
>> >>>> PCMCIA
>> >>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI
>firewire.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Chuck
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
>> >getting
>> >>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me.
>Are
>> >you
>> >>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> TCB
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Thad,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
>> >research,
>> >>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>>
>> >Snaps,
>> >>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies
>(figure
>> >>> that
>> >>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets,
all
>> >the
>> >>>> driver
>> >>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
>> >used
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically
>given
>> >up
>> >>>>> on
>> >>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
>> >and
>> >>>>> buy
>> >>>>>>> something different.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Chuck
>> >>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is
>something
>> >'wrong'
>> >>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
>> for
>> >>> an
>> >>>>>> esoteric
>> >>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be
>known,
>> >>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has
>'bad
>> >drivers'
>> >>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've
>started
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> TCB
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
>> with
>> >>>> it
>> >>>>>>> when
>> >>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it
as
>> >a
>> >>> system
>> >>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
>> >the
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>>>> board
>> >>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> TCB
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>> >>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
>> >firewire
>> >>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio
>interfaces
>> >on
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> A8V.
>> >>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the
TC
>> Konnekt4D
>> >>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The
TC
>> >Konnect
>> >>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with
>Sonar.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus
>Firebox
>> >>>>> gizmo's
>> >>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic
and
>> >record
>> >>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming
on.
>> >The
>> >>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
>> least
>> >>>>> appears
>> >>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase
SE
>> >so
>> >>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks
on
>> >the
>> >>>> network
>> >>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
>> for
>> >>> simple
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her
new
>> >graphics/music
>> >>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2.
I
>> >figured
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> FW
>> >>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
>> recording
>> >>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current
>drivers.
>> >>>>>> You
>> >>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
>> >in
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
>> headphone
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers
>issues
>> >>> then
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace
>almost
>> >>>>> every
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price
>range
>> >>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of
the
>> >Presonus
>> >>>>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with
the
>> >MOTU
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> RME
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the
>cuemix
>> >controls
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you
>count
>> >the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you
add
>> >2 DigimaxFS
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band
at
>> one
>> >>> time
>> >>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and
>out,
>> >>> ADAT,
>> >>>>>>>>> MANI
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix.
As
>> many
>> >>>> mic
>> >>>>>>>> pres
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep
>for
>> >monitoring
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and
>> new
>> >>> routing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The
MOTU
>> >8
>> >>> Pre
>> >>>>>>> will
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have
the
>> >Presonus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>> >your
>> >>>>>> looking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not
>> the
>> >>> Digimax
>> >>>>>>>>> FS.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire
>Studio
>> >>> instead.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
>> I'm
>> >>> missing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>> >them......
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for
>plugging
>> >>>>>> electric
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in
>they
>> >>> will
>> >>>>>>>> sound
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>wait......If
>> >>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back
all
>> >is
>> >>>> perfect
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call
the
>> >company.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3
>going
>> >>> in
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
>> is
>> >a
>> >>>> big
>> >>>>>>>> deal.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to
adat
>> >in
>> >>>> so
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with
I
>> >think.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>> >directly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
>> it
>> >both
>> >>>>>>> ways.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
>> >at
>> >>>> one
>> >>>>>>>> time.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can
>handle
>> >>>> recordin
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is
>there.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would
I
>> >be
>> >>> better
>> >>>>>>>>> off
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to
>Connect-icut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really
>existed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the
>way
>> >too.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>> >>>>>>>>>> ADK
>> >>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> >>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>> >>>
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80404 is a reply to message #80365] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 18:58 |
Paul Artola
Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005
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Behold, the new DJ!
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 21 Feb 2007 03:43:23 +1000, "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo uncommonly
>good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>
>I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire experience
>has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get a pit
>in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just pre-sonus.
> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me. I had
>a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff that was
>perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the draw
>pulls and knobs on the B4.
>
>Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the conventional
>MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol with
>lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning how
>to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>
>Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from the keyboard,
>so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when powered
>down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from disk
>to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13 keystrokes
>required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the manual
>and said f*** it and gave up.
>
>A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects that
>I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any serious
>recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris projects
>for whatever reason.
>
>Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with 1/1 initialization
>for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for a couple
>of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't find
>antipace.
>
>Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped re-authorization
>process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything I had
>just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working and outputing
>SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA to sync
>with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>
>Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit. All
>phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in standalone
>mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>
>Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the stuttering and
>chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing in
>real time.
>
>This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get more
>than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't even
>play a f**** midi piano.
>
>So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much I would
>like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I knock off
>and head upstairs.
>
>My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>unwitting beta-tester.
>>
>>Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and with a
>>PCMCIA
>>>firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI firewire.
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just getting
>>>>lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me. Are you
>>>>using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thad,
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much research,
>>>>>but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster. Snaps,
>>>>>crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies (figure
>that
>>>>>out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets, all the
>>driver
>>>>>revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when used
>>>in
>>>>>standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically given up
>>>on
>>>>>recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research and
>>>buy
>>>>>something different.
>>>>>
>>>>>Chuck
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But there seems to be this general opinion that there is something 'wrong'
>>>>>>with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset for
>an
>>>>esoteric
>>>>>>third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be known,
>>>but
>>>>>>the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has 'bad drivers'
>>>>>>is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've started
>>>to
>>>>>>hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems with
>>it
>>>>>when
>>>>>>>using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it as a
>system
>>>>>>>sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using the
>>on
>>>>>board
>>>>>>>firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some firewire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio interfaces on
>>>the
>>>>>>>A8V.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the TC Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The TC Konnect
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with Sonar.
>>>
>>>>>>>>Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus Firebox
>>>gizmo's
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic and record
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming on. The
>>>thing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at least
>>>appears
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase SE so
>our
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks on the
>>network
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable for
>simple
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her new graphics/music
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2. I figured
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>FW
>>>>>>>>>port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track recording
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>Not all the routing features are available in the current drivers.
>>>>You
>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>>>at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat in
>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the headphone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>channels.
>>>>>>>>>>Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers issues
>then
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace almost
>>>every
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price range
>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of the Presonus
>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>>>has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In the long run I think you really better off going with the MOTU
>>>and
>>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>>>products.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any of these would work in that budget and give you the cuemix controls
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>$1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you count the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you add 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band at one
>time
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and out,
>ADAT,
>>>>>>>MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix. As many
>>mic
>>>>>>pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep for monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and new
>routing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The MOTU 8
>Pre
>>>>>will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have the Presonus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface your
>>>>looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not the
>Digimax
>>>>>>>FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire Studio
>instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless I'm
>missing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about them......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for plugging
>>>>electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in they
>will
>>>>>>sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but wait......If
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back all is
>>perfect
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>again. They didn't document that and I had to call the company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3 going
>in
>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency is a
>>big
>>>>>>deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to adat in
>>so
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>really want a card on the motherboard to do that with I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test it both
>>>>>ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Either
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs at
>>one
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>16
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can handle
>>recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>many tracks at once but the hardware capability is there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would I be
>better
>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the way too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80405 is a reply to message #80385] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 21:18 |
Neil
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"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> I am giddy to get home every night and get a few minutes learning SCOPE,
>because it's a bit of a curve but it's just that fast and cool that I'm
>pretty sure that's my next step beyond Paris at this point. My cold start
to
>Scope is up and running on an AMD2200/XP system is about 40 seconds. The
>amount of I/O in that system is sickening man, email me if you want more
>specs.
I'll say this aout the Scope stuff, it's stable as hell, to be
sure - now I'm only using it as an external summing thingy, but
once I got it set up on a 2nd PC (so I wouldn't have the 88.2k
clocking issues I had with it on the same PC as my Cubase rig)
it hasn't glitched yet. I STILL wish I could have a one-box
solution, though. Drives me crazy with frustration just at the
thought of having to use two PC's for nothing more than a
summing app on one of 'em. If the PTHD core cards & propreitary
i/o's didn't cost so much..... ARRRRRRGH!!!! lol
Chuck wants a laptop solution, though, doesn't he? so I don't
think the Pulsar stuff is the way to go for him, if that's the
case.
Neil
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80406 is a reply to message #80401] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 20:33 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Sounds like you need to divest yourself of anything battery operated,
plus go with a less wobbly recording system.
Ivory is an excellent piano plugin. It can run directly on any OSX or
WiXP sequencer.
One mic, one preamp/audio interface, a simple computer (is there such a
thing?) and a simple sequencer. The rest is distraction.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
chuck duffy wrote:
> Hi Carl,
>
> I play acoustic all the time, have several laying around. I got bit by the
> recording bug at age 17 or so with a 2 track then a 4 track. I love playing,
> but I really like recording and the process more. Go figure...
>
> Chuck
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> Does an acoustic guitar work for you?
>>
>> -Carl
>>
>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45db6695$1@linux...
>>> But come to think of it, I am beginning to realize that I am just a sad
>> sack
>>> about this stuff. The other day I went to play guitar and nothing worked,
>>> I left the cable plugged into the wah and the wah died. So I removed
> it
>>> from the chain and the amp didn't work. I said screw it and decided to
>> play
>>> bass. Nothing doing. I left the cable plugged into that and the battery
>>> for the active pickup died. hahahaha
>>>
>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically
> the
>>>> room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated
>> because
>>>> it's the family rec room.
>>>>
>>>> The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright.
> It
>>>> doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations
> of
>>> the
>>>> technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and
> man
>>>> the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted
>> controller,
>>>> a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated
>> with
>>>> cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated when
>>>> all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick.
>> Then
>>>> I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>>>> ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies in
>> that
>>>> environment using the presonus.
>>>>
>>>> In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
>>> me
>>>> out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> chuck duffy wrote:
>>>>>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo
>> uncommonly
>>>>>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire
>> experience
>>>>>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly get
>>> a
>>>> pit
>>>>>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just
>> pre-sonus.
>>>>>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me.
> I
>>>> had
>>>>>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff
> that
>>>> was
>>>>>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to the
>>> draw
>>>>>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the
>> conventional
>>>>>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
>>>> with
>>>>>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
>>>> how
>>>>>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from
> the
>>>> keyboard,
>>>>>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when
>> powered
>>>>>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template from
>>>> disk
>>>>>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13
>> keystrokes
>>>>>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out the
>>> manual
>>>>>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
>>>> that
>>>>>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any
>> serious
>>>>>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris
>> projects
>>>>>> for whatever reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with
> 1/1
>>>> initialization
>>>>>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for
> a
>> couple
>>>>>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't
>> find
>>>>>> antipace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
>>> re-authorization
>>>>>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
>>>> I had
>>>>>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working
>> and
>>>> outputing
>>>>>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and MIA
>>> to
>>>> sync
>>>>>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
>>>> All
>>>>>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in
>> standalone
>>>>>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the
>> stuttering
>>>> and
>>>>>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
>>>> in
>>>>>> real time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get
>> more
>>>>>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
>>>> even
>>>>>> play a f**** midi piano.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
>>> I
>>>> would
>>>>>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I
>> knock
>>>> off
>>>>>> and head upstairs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>>>>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>>>>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>>>>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>>>>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>>>>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>>>>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>>>>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>>>>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>>>>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and
>> with
>>>> a
>>>>>>> PCMCIA
>>>>>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI
>> firewire.
>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm just
>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me.
>> Are
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thad,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done much
>>>> research,
>>>>>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>>>> Snaps,
>>>>>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies
>> (figure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets,
> all
>>>> the
>>>>>>> driver
>>>>>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning when
>>>> used
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically
>> given
>>>> up
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> something different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is
>> something
>>>> 'wrong'
>>>>>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
>>> for
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> esoteric
>>>>>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should be
>> known,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has
>> 'bad
>>>> drivers'
>>>>>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've
>> started
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
>>> with
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using it
> as
>>>> a
>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
>>>> the
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have some
>>>> firewire
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio
>> interfaces
>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> A8V.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the
> TC
>>> Konnekt4D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The
> TC
>>>> Konnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with
>> Sonar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus
>> Firebox
>>>>>>>> gizmo's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic
> and
>>>> record
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming
> on.
>>>> The
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple (at
>>> least
>>>>>>>> appears
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase
> SE
>>>> so
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks
> on
>>>> the
>>>>>>> network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
>>> for
>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her
> new
>>>> graphics/music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2.
> I
>>>> figured
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> FW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current
>> drivers.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of adat
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also the
>>> headphone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers
>> issues
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace
>> almost
>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price
>> range
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of
> the
>>>> Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with
> the
>>>> MOTU
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> RME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the
>> cuemix
>>>> controls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you
>> count
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you
> add
>>>> 2 DigimaxFS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band
> at
>>> one
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and
>> out,
>>>>>> ADAT,
>>>>>>>>>>>> MANI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix.
> As
>>> many
>>>>>>> mic
>>>>>>>>>>> pres
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep
>> for
>>>> monitoring
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation and
>>> new
>>>>>> routing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The
> MOTU
>>>> 8
>>>>>> Pre
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have
> the
>>>> Presonus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio not
>>> the
>>>>>> Digimax
>>>>>>>>>>>> FS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire
>> Studio
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
>>> I'm
>>>>>> missing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick about
>>>> them......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for
>> plugging
>>>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level in
>> they
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>> wait......If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back
> all
>>>> is
>>>>>>> perfect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call
> the
>>>> company.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all 3
>> going
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
>>> is
>>>> a
>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to
> adat
>>>> in
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with
> I
>>>> think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
>>> it
>>>> both
>>>>>>>>>> ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
>>>> at
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can
>> handle
>>>>>>> recordin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is
>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would
> I
>>>> be
>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to
>> Connect-icut.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really
>> existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the
>> way
>>>> too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: Its a done deal... [message #80409 is a reply to message #80401] |
Tue, 20 February 2007 22:06 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Chuck! I've got a solution for you that will put a smile on your face! No
not that, some thing else!
For around $300.00 you could be back up and recording and the sound will
put a smile on your face!
I
I
I
V
Dude, it's PARIS!!!!!
C-16 $50.00
442 $50.00 or less
EDS 1000 $150.00
Total $250.00
MEC $50.00-$100.00
You want to record acoustic instruments and write songs, paris is great for
that. Your native instruments stuff, you can use Cubase for that. You could
run both on the same machine. Or run them on two different machines and
use Paris as your mixer, cue system, summing box. There is no learning curve,
an it's great to write and record songs with. You were happy when you used
Paris in the past; ) Paris is cheap, it sounds great and you will get good
results quickly and easily. If you buy another Paris system, you wont lose
any money, if, or when you sell it. So there is nothing to lose! Simplify
your life and get another Paris system and be happy!
James
P.S. There are some great plugins for free, thanks to Chuck!
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Carl,
>
>I play acoustic all the time, have several laying around. I got bit by
the
>recording bug at age 17 or so with a 2 track then a 4 track. I love playing,
>but I really like recording and the process more. Go figure...
>
>Chuck
>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>Does an acoustic guitar work for you?
>>
>>-Carl
>>
>>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:45db6695$1@linux...
>>>
>>> But come to think of it, I am beginning to realize that I am just a sad
>>sack
>>> about this stuff. The other day I went to play guitar and nothing worked,
>>> I left the cable plugged into the wah and the wah died. So I removed
>it
>>> from the chain and the amp didn't work. I said screw it and decided
to
>>play
>>> bass. Nothing doing. I left the cable plugged into that and the battery
>>> for the active pickup died. hahahaha
>>>
>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Well, that was a subject of another long sad post of mine. Basically
>the
>>> >room stinks, low cielings, small, rectangular. Can't really be treated
>>because
>>> >it's the family rec room.
>>> >
>>> >The instrument I like alot, but it's a small yamaha student upright.
> It
>>> >doesn't mic well, based on surroundings mostly, probably limitations
>of
>>> the
>>> >technician, lord knows I tried for months to get a decent sound on tape.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >That's when I got the brilliant idea to go with giga for pianos, and
>man
>>> >the sound was great but that lead to needing an 88 key weighted
>>controller,
>>> >a search that took forever. Then giga worked but it wasn't integrated
>>with
>>> >cubase and I couldn't stand that because it just got to complicated
when
>>> >all I wanted to do was take ten minutes and record a song real quick.
>>Then
>>> >I got the brilliant idea to try halion, and import my gigas, which worked
>>> >ok, but in the end I could never get acceptable, playable latencies
in
>>that
>>> >environment using the presonus.
>>> >
>>> >In the end it's all so stupid and ridiculous that I gave up, which bums
>>> me
>>> >out, because I think I am approaching writing some decent songs.
>>> >
>>> >Chuck
>>> >
>>> >Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>Man, that is a sad story Chuck.
>>> >>
>>> >>Maybe you should get a stand alone recorder next to your piano.
>>> >>
>>> >>Cheers,
>>> >> -Jamie
>>> >> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>chuck duffy wrote:
>>> >>> I hear you man. It kills me, because I am normally deep voodoo
>>uncommonly
>>> >>> good at solving software, hardware and driver problems.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I'm glad all of you guys have solid rigs, but my cubase, firewire
>>experience
>>> >>> has left me never wanting to touch a computer again. I honestly
get
>>> a
>>> >pit
>>> >>> in my stomache when I think about recording. And it aint just
>>pre-sonus.
>>> >>> I have been through so much crap with this shit that it kills me.
> I
>>> >had
>>> >>> a little midiman keyboard with lots of faders and knobs and stuff
>that
>>> >was
>>> >>> perfect for B4, had a working template that mapped everything to
the
>>> draw
>>> >>> pulls and knobs on the B4.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Loved it. Then the USB quit working. So I switched to the
>>conventional
>>> >>> MIDI port, then the keys started breaking. So I switched to an edirol
>>> >with
>>> >>> lots of knobs and faders. No mapping for B4. Spent two days learning
>>> >how
>>> >>> to create the mapping, saved the template to the device.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Things were fine, then the template mysteriously disappeared from
>the
>>> >keyboard,
>>> >>> so I reloaded, then it stopped retaining settings completely when
>>powered
>>> >>> down. For a little while I wresled with re-loading the template
from
>>> >disk
>>> >>> to the device every time I wanted to play. I memorized the 13
>>keystrokes
>>> >>> required, but then didn't play for a while and forgot, broke out
the
>>> manual
>>> >>> and said f*** it and gave up.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> A critical hard drive died, without backup and I lost half my projects
>>> >that
>>> >>> I wanted to finish after a 10 year hiatus from actually doing any
>>serious
>>> >>> recording. 10% of the ones that I didn't loose are corrupt paris
>>projects
>>> >>> for whatever reason.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Got a new computer, reloaded paris JUST TO EXPORT and fought with
>1/1
>>> >initialization
>>> >>> for half a day. Then got it running and faced the real world for
>a
>>couple
>>> >>> of weeks, returned to find that the demo had expired and I couldn't
>>find
>>> >>> antipace.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Went to use GIGA on the new computer and worked through their warped
>>> re-authorization
>>> >>> process that involved me removing hacking the registry for everything
>>> >I had
>>> >>> just re-installed. Figured out how to get the GSIF drivers working
>>and
>>> >outputing
>>> >>> SPDIF from an ECHO MIA. Couldn't reliably get the pre-sonus and
MIA
>>> to
>>> >sync
>>> >>> with sp/dif so gave up and decided to go analog.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Got it working and noticed that the piano sounded like absolute shit.
>>> > All
>>> >>> phasey and wierd. Discovered that the pre-sonus doesn't pan in
>>standalone
>>> >>> mode, so it was simply layering the LR giga output together.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Fire up cubase and find that the only latency that stops the
>>stuttering
>>> >and
>>> >>> chattering of TWO CHANNELS OF 44.1 K won't let me play the damn thing
>>> >in
>>> >>> real time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This is of course all over the course of months/years. I don't get
>>more
>>> >>> than 10 minutes of un-interrupted time anymore, and when I do I can't
>>> >even
>>> >>> play a f**** midi piano.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So I play the real thing, which I love, and think to myself how much
>>> I
>>> >would
>>> >>> like to record the tune I'm playing. That gets me depressed so I
>>knock
>>> >off
>>> >>> and head upstairs.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My new tee shirt is gonna read 'i'll record when i'm dead'
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chuck
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> See? This is the kind of crap I bitched about before...
>>> >>>> companies putting stuff out on the market that doesn't work with
>>> >>>> half of what it's "supposed" to interface with, or putting it
>>> >>>> out before it's ready, causing everyone who buys it to become an
>>> >>>> unwitting beta-tester.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thad, you disagreed with my stance on this before, but being a
>>> >>>> systems guy for a living, you have to agree that this is WAY
>>> >>>> more rampant in the audio field than it is in any other... I
>>> >>>> mean, how many times have you gotten a new piece of gear in at
>>> >>>> work, and find it simply doens't work as advertised? As often as
>>> >>>> we encounter this sort of thing in the audio realm?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Neil
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Neil
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Actually, two different laptops using the on-board fire-wire and
>>with
>>> >a
>>> >>>> PCMCIA
>>> >>>>> firewire interface. One desktop using on-board firewire and PCI
>>firewire.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Chuck
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Sorry you're having so much trouble with it, Chuck. Maybe I'm
just
>>> >getting
>>> >>>>>> lucky, or maybe the hardware is scared of not working around me.
>>Are
>>> >you
>>> >>>>>> using it on a desktop or laptop?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> TCB
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> Thad,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I don't know about the general opinion, since I haven't done
much
>>> >research,
>>> >>>>>>> but my personal experience with the Firepod has been a disaster.
>>>
>>> >Snaps,
>>> >>>>>>> crackles, pops, lockups, usable only at unplayable latencies
>>(figure
>>> >>> that
>>> >>>>>>> out :-)). Two different computers, three different chipsets,
>all
>>> >the
>>> >>>> driver
>>> >>>>>>> revs. Extremely inflexible live monitoring, lack of panning
when
>>> >used
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>> standalone mode. The list goes on and on, and I've basically
>>given
>>> >up
>>> >>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>> recording because I can't afford the time or the money to research
>>> >and
>>> >>>>> buy
>>> >>>>>>> something different.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Chuck
>>> >>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> But there seems to be this general opinion that there is
>>something
>>> >'wrong'
>>> >>>>>>>> with the driver in all cases. Needing to have the right chipset
>>> for
>>> >>> an
>>> >>>>>> esoteric
>>> >>>>>>>> third party add-on is a mild pain and something that should
be
>>known,
>>> >>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>>> the idea that the Presonus gear doesn't work correctly or has
>>'bad
>>> >drivers'
>>> >>>>>>>> is just bosh. I'm not saying you were implying this, but I've
>>started
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>> hear/read that in various places.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> TCB
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had a Firebox for a while and have only ever had problems
>>> with
>>> >>>> it
>>> >>>>>>> when
>>> >>>>>>>>> using it as what we used to call a wave device, i.e. using
it
>as
>>> >a
>>> >>> system
>>> >>>>>>>>> sound device. The ASIO driver has been rock solid for me, using
>>> >the
>>> >>>> on
>>> >>>>>>> board
>>> >>>>>>>>> firewire on a Dell laptop.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> TCB
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> HI DJ,
>>> >>>>>>>>>> The firebox sounds and generally works well but does have
some
>>> >firewire
>>> >>>>>>>>>> chipset compatibility issues.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend using a Firewire PCI card for any audio
>>interfaces
>>> >on
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> A8V.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> You should also check out the Focusrite Sapphire LE or the
>TC
>>> Konnekt4D
>>> >>>>>>>>>> all it he same price range.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sonically they all sound better than the M-Audio FW410. The
>TC
>>> >Konnect
>>> >>>>>>>>>> series have a pair of excellent Mic-Pres but has issues with
>>Sonar.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Works great with Cubase, Samp, Reaper, etc.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking of getting one of those little Presonus
>>Firebox
>>> >>>>> gizmo's
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> for Amy's new PC, just so she can plug in a guitar and mic
>and
>>> >record
>>> >>>>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> vocal/guitar track to a click when she feels a song coming
>on.
>>> >The
>>> >>>>> thing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that appeals to me about this is that it is small/simple
(at
>>> least
>>> >>>>> appears
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to be), has a couple of preamps and is bundled with Cubase
>SE
>>> >so
>>> >>> our
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> platforms are compatible and I can grab the project/tracks
>on
>>> >the
>>> >>>> network
>>> >>>>>>>>>> >from the main DAW in the studio and import them.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is the Presonus driver so shabby that it would not be usable
>>> for
>>> >>> simple
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> stuff like this? She will be using my old DAW rig for her
>new
>>> >graphics/music
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> computer. ASUS A8V-Dlx, AMD 64 4400x2 CPU 2G RAM on XP SP2.
>I
>>> >figured
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> FW
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> port on this would probably handle simple two track recording.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there another simple and inexpensive (and better) 2 track
>>> recording
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> interface that is bundled with Cubase SE?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> news:45d88fac$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Driver -
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not all the routing features are available in the current
>>drivers.
>>> >>>>>> You
>>> >>>>>>>>> can
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> at the moment only use the analog and the first bank of
adat
>>> >in
>>> >>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> internal routing control.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every unit we've gotten so far has had hardware issues.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dead or abnormally noisy inputs or outputs.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Weird zippering sounds when using the mic gain and also
the
>>> headphone
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grounding noise and buzzing units.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If they work out some of these mechanical and or drivers
>>issues
>>> >>> then
>>> >>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit will be a great device but so far I've had to replace
>>almost
>>> >>>>> every
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unit with some other device.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Focusrite Sapphire Pro is the only other in that price
>>range
>>> >>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar features. It doesn't have the routing features of
>the
>>> >Presonus
>>> >>>>>>>>> but
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> has the same number of I/O.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the long run I think you really better off going with
>the
>>> >MOTU
>>> >>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>> RME
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If the the budget is an issues then I would recommend.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any of these would work in that budget and give you the
>>cuemix
>>> >controls
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> similar to Presonus and RME.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x MOTU 8Pre
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1x Presonus Digimax FS
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> $1080.00
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog outs.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2x MOTU 8 Pre - $1070.00
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This will give you 16 analog in 4 analog outs (8 if you
>>count
>>> >the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> seperate headphones)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You will also have 16 channels of ADAT to use. So if you
>add
>>> >2 DigimaxFS
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to each of those you could have 32 analog ins and 24 outs.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of issues is the Presonus FireStudio having?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well..I would like to be able to record an entire band
>at
>>> one
>>> >>> time
>>> >>>>>>>> if
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> neded.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inclding a live drumset.. Also Iwould like SPDIF in and
>>out,
>>> >>> ADAT,
>>> >>>>>>>>> MANI
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OUS and HEADPHONE MIX OUTS for different headpone mix.
>As
>>> many
>>> >>>> mic
>>> >>>>>>>> pres
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible with 48v and pads.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as many ous as possible. i dont use outs that much excep
>>for
>>> >monitoring
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones, but I would like them for experimentation
and
>>> new
>>> >>> routing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> techniques
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all under$1200
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Brandon,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't get it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firestudio is having lots of hardware issues. The
>MOTU
>>> >8
>>> >>> Pre
>>> >>>>>>> will
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give you 16 analog ins and 12 analog out when you have
>the
>>> >Presonus
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Digimax FS plugged into it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What features are you hoping to get in th eaudio interface
>>> >your
>>> >>>>>> looking
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How much I/O?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Mic -Pres?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you are correct.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My mistake I was looking at the Presonus FireStudio
not
>>> the
>>> >>> Digimax
>>> >>>>>>>>> FS.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm.. I might call Morgan and get the Presonus Fire
>>Studio
>>> >>> instead.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway thanks fo rthe heads up.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon, the Digimax FS does not have firewire unless
>>> I'm
>>> >>> missing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something. I have 3 of em. Also, a little trick
about
>>> >them......
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 8 pres but the first 2 are instrument level for
>>plugging
>>> >>>>>> electric
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guitars/bass guitars into. If you plug line level
in
>>they
>>> >>> will
>>> >>>>>>>> sound
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shit (hissy) so you're down to 6 pres........but
>>wait......If
>>> >>>>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your line ins into the INSERTS for 1 & 2 on the back
>all
>>> >is
>>> >>>> perfect
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again. They didn't document that and I had to call
>the
>>> >company.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding latency, i got the 9652 rme and have all
3
>>going
>>> >>> in
>>> >>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adats.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's an expensive card $500 or so but I know latency
>>> is
>>> >a
>>> >>>> big
>>> >>>>>>>> deal.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the digimax doesn't have firewire you have to
>adat
>>> >in
>>> >>>> so
>>> >>>>>>> you
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really want a card on the motherboard to do that with
>I
>>> >think.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Still learning,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually I think I will hook them both up via firewire
>>> >directly
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the comp. Then I will monitor thru the Presonus.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It claims to have 0 latency. I will just have to test
>>> it
>>> >both
>>> >>>>>>> ways.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Either
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way that should give me the ability to record 32 inputs
>>> >at
>>> >>>> one
>>> >>>>>>>> time.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> analog
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and 16 ADAT plus midi.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dont know if the computer or firewire bandwidth can
>>handle
>>> >>>> recordin
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gthat
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many tracks at once but the hardware capability is
>>there.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For now it is going to be:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubase SX3
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 MOTU 8 pre (via Firewire)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 Presonus Digimax FS (linked to MOTU via ADAT)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 DBX 586 preamps
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monitors my Mackie 824s
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASUS MB A7N8X-Deluxe E
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows XP
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP3000+ CPU
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2G Ram
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm OS drive
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 10k rpm Audio drive
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 7200 rpm maxtor for the OS temp file only. (would
>I
>>> >be
>>> >>> better
>>> >>>>>>>>> off
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out this?)
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 firewire card w/TI chipset
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is your setup going to be?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well my entire PARIS rig is on its way to
>>Connect-icut.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New gear on its way..
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been watchinbg the Cubase tutorials and
man
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that softwaer has tons of functionality.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stuff I used to dream of and dint know really
>>existed.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool stuff.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I got a Firewire card and a memory upgrade on the
>>way
>>> >too.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am excited to get into it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will let you all know how it is going.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ADK
>>> >>>>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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