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| Addictive Drums [message #93500] |
Mon, 10 December 2007 13:10  |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Hi all,
I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much room
sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
The humanize feature is decent.
2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The Nashville
uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety of
country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it seems
as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't say
it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind some
bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I do
need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and it's
retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just soft
acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb on
the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit reverb.
How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats and
fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but instead
uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
Thanks,
Wayne Carson
Paris since '97
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93501 is a reply to message #93500] |
Mon, 10 December 2007 13:31  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
shelves........
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
The manual for it was just released for download.
http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I loved
the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going to
be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
;o)
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:475dac40@linux...
> Hi all,
>
> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>
> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much room
> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
> The humanize feature is decent.
>
> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>
> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I
> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and
> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my
> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it
> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the
> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
> layer.
>
>
> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne Carson
> Paris since '97
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93502 is a reply to message #93501] |
Mon, 10 December 2007 14:25 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Thanks DJ. I'll check out the manual. :) Anybody else want to chime
in?
Wayne
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:475db133@linux...
> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
> shelves........
> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>
> The manual for it was just released for download.
> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>
> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I
> loved the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is
> going to be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:475dac40@linux...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>
>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>> room sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>> using midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even
>> mix individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
>> ambience. The humanize feature is decent.
>>
>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>
>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I
>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the
>> isolation from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic.
>> Secondly, I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine
>> based and I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to
>> 1/2 of my songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak
>> to date and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or
>> primarily just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to
>> use massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or
>> is it a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their
>> website "the grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website
>> states no humanize feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes
>> for a velocity layer.
>>
>>
>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne Carson
>> Paris since '97
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93503 is a reply to message #93502] |
Mon, 10 December 2007 16:01 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
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what DJ said
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:475dbdb9@linux...
> Thanks DJ. I'll check out the manual. :) Anybody else want to chime
> in?
>
> Wayne
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
> news:475db133@linux...
>> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>> shelves........
>> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>
>> The manual for it was just released for download.
>> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>
>> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I
>> loved the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is
>> going to be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:475dac40@linux...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all
>>> think.
>>>
>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
>>> But two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
>>> hat, snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too
>>> much room sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering.
>>> I just using midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can
>>> even mix individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except
>>> room ambience. The humanize feature is decent.
>>>
>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>
>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I
>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the
>>> isolation from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close
>>> mic. Secondly, I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old
>>> school/machine based and I do need a country kit and/or country grooves
>>> on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has
>>> just one add on pak to date and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit
>>> the country mode or primarily just soft acoustic songs. AD does have
>>> reverb and I do like to use massive reverb on the snare on country
>>> ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit reverb. How are the
>>> grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats and fills of a
>>> good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but instead uses
>>> recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
>>> EZ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne Carson
>>> Paris since '97
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93508 is a reply to message #93500] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 11:55 |
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Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums are
my favorite.
The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The on
board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that are
old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and thesedrums
cover alot of ground..
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
>Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>
>1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
>two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much room
>sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
>midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>The humanize feature is decent.
>
>2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The Nashville
>uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety of
>country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>
>3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it seems
>as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't say
>it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
some
>bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
>drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
>concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I do
>need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
>that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and it's
>retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just soft
>acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
on
>the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit reverb.
>How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats and
>fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but instead
>uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>
>
>Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne Carson
>Paris since '97
>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93509 is a reply to message #93501] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 12:10 |
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DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the tweaking
drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then Addictive,
then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
I heard, the drums are again raw..
I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
(ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
a look.
http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with great
Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>shelves........
>http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>
>The manual for it was just released for download.
>http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>
>This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I loved
>the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
to
>be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>
>"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:475dac40@linux...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
a
>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>
>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
But
>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
room
>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>
>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>
>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
I
>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
and
>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
my
>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is
it
>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
"the
>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>> layer.
>>
>>
>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
EZ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne Carson
>> Paris since '97
>>
>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93513 is a reply to message #93508] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 14:55 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
Registered: July 2006
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Will it play stand-alone like a drum machine,even when not recording?
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475edd2d$1@linux...
>
> Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums are
> my favorite.
>
> The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The on
> board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that are
> old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
>
> For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and thesedrums
> cover alot of ground..
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
>
> >Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
> >
> >1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
> >thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
>
> >two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
> >difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>
> >lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>
> >bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>
> >snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
room
>
> >sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
using
>
> >midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
> >individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
ambience.
>
> >The humanize feature is decent.
> >
> >2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>
> >right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
Nashville
>
> >uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety of
>
> >country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
> >
> >3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
seems
>
> >as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't
say
>
> >it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
> some
> >bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
> >drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
> >concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I do
>
> >need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
>
> >that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and
it's
>
> >retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just
soft
>
> >acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
> on
> >the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit
reverb.
>
> >How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats and
>
> >fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but
instead
>
> >uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
> >
> >
> >Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Wayne Carson
> >Paris since '97
> >
> >
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93515 is a reply to message #93513] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 16:29 |
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Yes.. All of the mentioned Virtual drum apps can be played live.
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Will it play stand-alone like a drum machine,even when not recording?
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475edd2d$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums
are
>> my favorite.
>>
>> The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The
on
>> board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that
are
>> old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
>>
>> For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and thesedrums
>> cover alot of ground..
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
a
>>
>> >Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>> >
>> >1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>> >thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
But
>>
>> >two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>> >difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals
and
>>
>> >lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>
>> >bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
hat,
>>
>> >snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>room
>>
>> >sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>using
>>
>> >midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>> >individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
>ambience.
>>
>> >The humanize feature is decent.
>> >
>> >2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>>
>> >right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>Nashville
>>
>> >uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety
of
>>
>> >country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>> >
>> >3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>seems
>>
>> >as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't
>say
>>
>> >it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
>> some
>> >bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
>> >drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
>> >concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and
I do
>>
>> >need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
>>
>> >that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and
>it's
>>
>> >retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just
>soft
>>
>> >acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
>> on
>> >the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit
>reverb.
>>
>> >How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats
and
>>
>> >fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but
>instead
>>
>> >uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>> >
>> >
>> >Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
EZ?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Wayne Carson
>> >Paris since '97
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93517 is a reply to message #93509] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 18:54 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
LaMont,
You can purchase processed BFD samples. I enjoy processing drums (or just
about anything....haven't you noticed?) so BFD is my preference.
;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475ee0b7$1@linux...
>
> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the
> tweaking
> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>
> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
> Addictive,
> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>
> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>
> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
> a look.
>
> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>
> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with
> great
> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>>shelves........
>>http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>
>>The manual for it was just released for download.
>>http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>
>>This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I
>>loved
>
>>the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
> to
>>be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:475dac40@linux...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
> a
>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all
>>> think.
>>>
>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
> But
>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>
>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>
>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
>>> hat,
>
>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
> room
>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>>> using
>
>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
>>> ambience.
>
>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>
>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>
>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>
>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>
>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>
>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>
>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
> I
>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the
>>> isolation
>
>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic.
>>> Secondly,
>
>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
> and
>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
> my
>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>
>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or
>>> primarily
>
>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is
> it
>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
> "the
>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no
>>> humanize
>
>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>> layer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
> EZ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne Carson
>>> Paris since '97
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93518 is a reply to message #93509] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 19:10 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Lamont - DFH or DFHS? DFH Superior drums aren't processed - at least not
the original kits (1.x) - don't have Vintage/Custom yet. In general I'm
with DJ - I like to setup my own sound for drums as much as possible.
Btw - East West is working on a drum library based on their Play system, and
looking at what users like/don't like in other drum VSTis for ideas.
Dedric
On 12/11/07 1:10 PM, in article 475ee0b7$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the tweaking
> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>
> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
> Addictive,
> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>
> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>
> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
> a look.
>
> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>
> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with great
> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>> shelves........
>> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>
>> The manual for it was just released for download.
>> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>
>> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I loved
>
>> the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
> to
>> be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:475dac40@linux...
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
> a
>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>>
>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
> But
>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>
>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>
>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>
>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
> room
>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
>
>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>
>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>
>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>
>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>
>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>
>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>
>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>
>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
> I
>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
>
>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
>
>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
> and
>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
> my
>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>
>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
>
>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is
> it
>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
> "the
>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
>
>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>> layer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
> EZ?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne Carson
>>> Paris since '97
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93519 is a reply to message #93517] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 20:45 |
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I know ,I know..You have your hardware toys. :) Tweak my friend, tweak away..
I'm of the new school producers/engineers. I like instant gratification,
with the ability to tweak..
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>LaMont,
>
>You can purchase processed BFD samples. I enjoy processing drums (or just
>about anything....haven't you noticed?) so BFD is my preference.
>
>;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475ee0b7$1@linux...
>>
>> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
>> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the
>> tweaking
>> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>>
>> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
>> Addictive,
>> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>>
>> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
>> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>>
>> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
>> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
>> a look.
>>
>> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>>
>> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with
>> great
>> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>>>shelves........
>>>http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>>
>>>The manual for it was just released for download.
>>>http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>>
>>>This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and I
>>>loved
>>
>>>the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
>> to
>>>be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>news:475dac40@linux...
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
>> a
>>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all
>>>> think.
>>>>
>>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
>> But
>>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals
and
>>
>>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>
>>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
>>>> hat,
>>
>>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>> room
>>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>>>> using
>>
>>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
>>>> ambience.
>>
>>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are
down
>>
>>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>>
>>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>>
>>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>
>>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>>
>>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
>> I
>>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the
>>>> isolation
>>
>>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic.
>>>> Secondly,
>>
>>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
>> and
>>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
>> my
>>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>>
>>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or
>>>> primarily
>>
>>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or
is
>> it
>>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
>> "the
>>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no
>>>> humanize
>>
>>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>>> layer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
>> EZ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Wayne Carson
>>>> Paris since '97
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93520 is a reply to message #93518] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 20:49 |
|
|
DKFHS/CV.. Their kits are not as raw as BFD. Hey whatever floats your boat.
I like Addictives's almost ready sound and interface. Sppeds up the production
process..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Lamont - DFH or DFHS? DFH Superior drums aren't processed - at least not
>the original kits (1.x) - don't have Vintage/Custom yet. In general I'm
>with DJ - I like to setup my own sound for drums as much as possible.
>
>Btw - East West is working on a drum library based on their Play system,
and
>looking at what users like/don't like in other drum VSTis for ideas.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 12/11/07 1:10 PM, in article 475ee0b7$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
>> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the tweaking
>> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>>
>> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
>> Addictive,
>> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>>
>> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
>> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>>
>> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
>> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
>> a look.
>>
>> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>>
>> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with
great
>> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>>> shelves........
>>> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>>
>>> The manual for it was just released for download.
>>> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>>
>>> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and
I loved
>>
>>> the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
>> to
>>> be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:475dac40@linux...
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
>> a
>>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>>>
>>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
>> But
>>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals
and
>>
>>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>
>>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
hat,
>>
>>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>> room
>>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
using
>>
>>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>>
>>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are
down
>>
>>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>>
>>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>>
>>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>
>>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>>
>>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
>> I
>>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
>>
>>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
>>
>>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
>> and
>>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
>> my
>>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>>
>>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
>>
>>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or
is
>> it
>>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
>> "the
>>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
>>
>>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>>> layer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
>> EZ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Wayne Carson
>>>> Paris since '97
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93522 is a reply to message #93520] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 20:04 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
So there's a more "raw" sound than being recorded sans processing? ;-)
Was BFD recorded at a frat party with a Tool sound-alike band? ;-))
(I pretty much know what you are saying - just joking around a bit - I don't
have BFD, but the demos remind me of the BlueJay Kits from Sonic Implants -
recorded at Blue Jay Studio in Mass. - a bit loose, fair amount of room
tone, etc).
On 12/11/07 9:49 PM, in article 475f5a65$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> DKFHS/CV.. Their kits are not as raw as BFD. Hey whatever floats your boat.
> I like Addictives's almost ready sound and interface. Sppeds up the production
> process..
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Lamont - DFH or DFHS? DFH Superior drums aren't processed - at least not
>> the original kits (1.x) - don't have Vintage/Custom yet. In general I'm
>> with DJ - I like to setup my own sound for drums as much as possible.
>>
>> Btw - East West is working on a drum library based on their Play system,
> and
>> looking at what users like/don't like in other drum VSTis for ideas.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 12/11/07 1:10 PM, in article 475ee0b7$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an BFD.
>>> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the tweaking
>>> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>>>
>>> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
>>> Addictive,
>>> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>>>
>>> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from what
>>> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>>>
>>> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
>>> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
>>> a look.
>>>
>>> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>>>
>>> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with
> great
>>> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>>>> shelves........
>>>> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>>>
>>>> The manual for it was just released for download.
>>>> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>>>
>>>> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and
> I loved
>>>
>>>> the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
>>> to
>>>> be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:475dac40@linux...
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
>>> a
>>>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
>>> But
>>>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals
> and
>>>
>>>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>>
>>>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
> hat,
>>>
>>>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>>> room
>>>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
> using
>>>
>>>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>>>
>>>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are
> down
>>>
>>>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large
>>>
>>>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>>
>>>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>>>
>>>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
>>> I
>>>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
>>>
>>>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
>>>
>>>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
>>> and
>>>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of
>>> my
>>>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date
>>>
>>>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
>>>
>>>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or
> is
>>> it
>>>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
>>> "the
>>>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
>>>
>>>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>>>> layer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
>>> EZ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Wayne Carson
>>>>> Paris since '97
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93529 is a reply to message #93522] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 23:19 |
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|
Lol!!..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>So there's a more "raw" sound than being recorded sans processing? ;-)
>Was BFD recorded at a frat party with a Tool sound-alike band? ;-))
>
>(I pretty much know what you are saying - just joking around a bit - I don't
>have BFD, but the demos remind me of the BlueJay Kits from Sonic Implants
-
>recorded at Blue Jay Studio in Mass. - a bit loose, fair amount of room
>tone, etc).
>
>On 12/11/07 9:49 PM, in article 475f5a65$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> DKFHS/CV.. Their kits are not as raw as BFD. Hey whatever floats your
boat.
>> I like Addictives's almost ready sound and interface. Sppeds up the production
>> process..
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Lamont - DFH or DFHS? DFH Superior drums aren't processed - at least
not
>>> the original kits (1.x) - don't have Vintage/Custom yet. In general
I'm
>>> with DJ - I like to setup my own sound for drums as much as possible.
>>>
>>> Btw - East West is working on a drum library based on their Play system,
>> and
>>> looking at what users like/don't like in other drum VSTis for ideas.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 12/11/07 1:10 PM, in article 475ee0b7$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ, we are going to have to disagree (Wink-wink) on this one. I'm an
BFD.
>>>> Ground Breaking, but those drums are very raw. If you are into the tweaking
>>>> drums from the bottom up, then these are your drums..
>>>>
>>>> But, if you want killer drums (That requires minimal) tweaking, then
>>>> Addictive,
>>>> then Drum Kits From Hell are the ticket..
>>>>
>>>> As for the BFD2, that interface looks a little too clinical and from
what
>>>> I heard, the drums are again raw..
>>>>
>>>> I have the 35 gigs of DKFH CV(Custom/Vintage)Those babys great.. Toontrack
>>>> (ez drummer & DKFH) new Interface for 2008 is on a whole new level..take
>>>> a look.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.toontrack.com/s20.asp
>>>>
>>>> And then there's Battery 3 (Native Intruments) It's 9 gig Lib, and with
>> great
>>>> Live Kits with great dynamics covers a lot of ground..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> I'd say don't spend another penny on anything until this hits the
>>>>> shelves........
>>>>> http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=53
>>>>>
>>>>> The manual for it was just released for download.
>>>>> http://www.fxpansion1.com/BFD2_Public/BFD2_Manual.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> This think looks like the total ****!!!!! I bought BFD years ago and
>> I loved
>>>>
>>>>> the kits, but the interface totally sucked. It looks like this is going
>>>> to
>>>>> be like EZ Drummer or Addictive ....on some major steroids.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:475dac40@linux...
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
>>>> a
>>>>>> Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all
think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>>>> thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
>>>> But
>>>>>> two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>>>> difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals
>> and
>>>>
>>>>>> lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I
can't
>>>>
>>>>>> bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
>> hat,
>>>>
>>>>>> snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
>>>> room
>>>>>> sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>> using
>>>>
>>>>>> midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>>>> individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>>>>
>>>>>> The humanize feature is decent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are
>> down
>>>>
>>>>>> right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>>>> Nashville uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a
large
>>>>
>>>>>> variety of country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and
it
>>>>
>>>>>> seems as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell
>>>>
>>>>>> (don't say it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure.
>>>> I
>>>>>> don't mind some bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation
>>>>
>>>>>> from each drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly,
>>>>
>>>>>> I am concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based
>>>> and
>>>>>> I do need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2
of
>>>> my
>>>>>> songs that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to
date
>>>>
>>>>>> and it's retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily
>>>>
>>>>>> just soft acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use
>>>>>> massive reverb on the snare on country ballads so is it possible or
>> is
>>>> it
>>>>>> a whole kit reverb. How are the grooves. XLN states on their website
>>>> "the
>>>>>> grooves, beats and fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize
>>>>
>>>>>> feature but instead uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity
>>>>>> layer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
>>>> EZ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Wayne Carson
>>>>>> Paris since '97
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93653 is a reply to message #93508] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 20:28 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Member |
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Thanks LaMont and all you guys. I contacted XLN. Their website said AD
works with Sonar/Cakewalk v6.0 or higher among others apps. I use Sonar
Cakewalk Home Studio 4.0 XL on my laptop and run EZdrummer just fine
although it take 60 seconds to load. It is soley for midi work and song
creation. I send everything to Paris on my desktop for all audio work.
They replied that as long as I'm running VST it should work. Well according
to the EZDoc.pdf the EZ drummer needs a software sequencer or virtual
instrument host. EZ drummer works with my Sonar/Cakewalk HS v4.0 and the
intall program put it in the insert DXi Synth menu along with EDIROL VSC,
Dyad DXi and DreamStation DXi2. I don't know the difference between a DX
and a VST. I did find the the ezdrummer.dll in the VSTPlugins folder of the
EZDrummer and Toontracks folder in the Program files. So do you think AD
will work on my laptop and Home Studio v4.0XL?
Wayne
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475edd2d$1@linux...
>
> Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums are
> my favorite.
>
> The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The on
> board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that are
> old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
>
> For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and thesedrums
> cover alot of ground..
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have a
>
>>Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>
>>1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms. But
>
>>two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>
>>lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>
>>bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>
>>snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much room
>
>>sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
>
>>midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>
>>The humanize feature is decent.
>>
>>2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>
>>right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>Nashville
>
>>uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety of
>
>>country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>
>>3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>seems
>
>>as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't say
>
>>it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
> some
>>bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
>>drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
>>concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I do
>
>>need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
>
>>that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and it's
>
>>retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just
>>soft
>
>>acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
> on
>>the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit
>>reverb.
>
>>How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats and
>
>>fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but instead
>
>>uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>>
>>
>>Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with EZ?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wayne Carson
>>Paris since '97
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93655 is a reply to message #93653] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 22:40 |
|
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Hi Wayne, Addictive drums runs fine on my laptop. I have a Dell 1720 Inspiron-dual-core..XP
Pro..
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>Thanks LaMont and all you guys. I contacted XLN. Their website said AD
>works with Sonar/Cakewalk v6.0 or higher among others apps. I use Sonar
>Cakewalk Home Studio 4.0 XL on my laptop and run EZdrummer just fine
>although it take 60 seconds to load. It is soley for midi work and song
>creation. I send everything to Paris on my desktop for all audio work.
>They replied that as long as I'm running VST it should work. Well according
>to the EZDoc.pdf the EZ drummer needs a software sequencer or virtual
>instrument host. EZ drummer works with my Sonar/Cakewalk HS v4.0 and the
>intall program put it in the insert DXi Synth menu along with EDIROL VSC,
>Dyad DXi and DreamStation DXi2. I don't know the difference between a DX
>and a VST. I did find the the ezdrummer.dll in the VSTPlugins folder of
the
>EZDrummer and Toontracks folder in the Program files. So do you think AD
>will work on my laptop and Home Studio v4.0XL?
>
>Wayne
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475edd2d$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums
are
>> my favorite.
>>
>> The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The
on
>> board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that
are
>> old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
>>
>> For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and thesedrums
>> cover alot of ground..
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
a
>>
>>>Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all think.
>>>
>>>1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
But
>>
>>>two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>>
>>>lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>
>>>bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick, hat,
>>
>>>snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
room
>>
>>>sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just using
>>
>>>midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room ambience.
>>
>>>The humanize feature is decent.
>>>
>>>2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>>
>>>right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>Nashville
>>
>>>uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety
of
>>
>>>country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>
>>>3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>>>seems
>>
>>>as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't
say
>>
>>>it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
>> some
>>>bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
>>>drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
>>>concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I
do
>>
>>>need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my songs
>>
>>>that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and
it's
>>
>>>retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just
>>>soft
>>
>>>acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
>> on
>>>the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit
>>>reverb.
>>
>>>How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats
and
>>
>>>fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but instead
>>
>>>uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
EZ?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Wayne Carson
>>>Paris since '97
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Addictive Drums [message #93656 is a reply to message #93655] |
Fri, 14 December 2007 21:39 |
Wayne Carson
Messages: 86
Registered: June 2007
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Member |
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Cool, thanks.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:476368d0$1@linux...
>
> Hi Wayne, Addictive drums runs fine on my laptop. I have a Dell 1720
> Inspiron-dual-core..XP
> Pro..
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>Thanks LaMont and all you guys. I contacted XLN. Their website said AD
>
>>works with Sonar/Cakewalk v6.0 or higher among others apps. I use Sonar
>
>>Cakewalk Home Studio 4.0 XL on my laptop and run EZdrummer just fine
>>although it take 60 seconds to load. It is soley for midi work and song
>
>>creation. I send everything to Paris on my desktop for all audio work.
>
>>They replied that as long as I'm running VST it should work. Well
>>according
>
>>to the EZDoc.pdf the EZ drummer needs a software sequencer or virtual
>>instrument host. EZ drummer works with my Sonar/Cakewalk HS v4.0 and the
>
>>intall program put it in the insert DXi Synth menu along with EDIROL VSC,
>
>>Dyad DXi and DreamStation DXi2. I don't know the difference between a DX
>
>>and a VST. I did find the the ezdrummer.dll in the VSTPlugins folder of
> the
>>EZDrummer and Toontracks folder in the Program files. So do you think AD
>
>>will work on my laptop and Home Studio v4.0XL?
>>
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:475edd2d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi Wayne, I have both Products and like them both, but Addictive Drums
> are
>>> my favorite.
>>>
>>> The interface is (imho) the best. it's routing is very flexible. The
> on
>>> board FX are very usable. They just added an 2 new expansion kits that
> are
>>> old school. But, all of their kits can be used in all genres.
>>>
>>> For Country/Pop, the standard kits work well. I do a Gospel and
>>> thesedrums
>>> cover alot of ground..
>>>
>>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I've been using EZ drummer for about a year. I noticed they now have
> a
>>>
>>>>Nashville kit. I may change apps. Here's why and what do you all
>>>>think.
>>>>
>>>>1. EZ drummer is easy to use with drag and drop loops but I'm not
>>>>thoroughly satisfied with the mixer. Individual kick, hat and toms.
> But
>>>
>>>>two mics on the the snare ? (I don't hear all that much significant
>>>>difference on the top and bottom) and just overheads for the cymbals and
>>>
>>>>lastly room ambience. The problem I have with the mixer is that I can't
>>>
>>>>bring up the ride or crashes without also raising bleed of the kick,
>>>>hat,
>>>
>>>>snare and toms on the overhead mics. In the end the mix has too much
> room
>>>
>>>>sound. I need more isolation at times. I'm not triggering. I just
>>>>using
>>>
>>>>midi drum tracks. I am amazed that these drum programs can even mix
>>>>individual parts of a drum kit midi track. No efx's except room
>>>>ambience.
>>>
>>>>The humanize feature is decent.
>>>>
>>>>2. The patterns are decent with the EZ software and some loops are down
>>>
>>>>right funky but only two kit sounds (pop/rock and cocktail). The
>>>>Nashville
>>>
>>>>uses an new kit and I was wondering if the loops have a large variety
> of
>>>
>>>>country 3/4 and 6/8 grooves.
>>>>
>>>>3. www.xlnaudio.com I looked into XLN Addictive Drums (AD) and it
>
>>>>seems
>>>
>>>>as though each kick, snare, tom, ride, hat, cymbals and cowbell (don't
> say
>>>
>>>>it!) has it's own fader and efx/inserts but I'm not sure. I don't mind
>>> some
>>>>bleed, in fact I like it for ambience, so is the isolation from each
>>>>drum/cymbal similar to solo or more like a close mic. Secondly, I am
>>>>concerned that the kits are mostly rock/old school/machine based and I
> do
>>>
>>>>need a country kit and/or country grooves on about 1/3 to 1/2 of my
>>>>songs
>>>
>>>>that I'm editing and mixing. XLN has just one add on pak to date and
> it's
>>>
>>>>retro. Does the "acoustic" kit fit the country mode or primarily just
>
>>>>soft
>>>
>>>>acoustic songs. AD does have reverb and I do like to use massive reverb
>>> on
>>>>the snare on country ballads so is it possible or is it a whole kit
>>>>reverb.
>>>
>>>>How are the grooves. XLN states on their website "the grooves, beats
> and
>>>
>>>>fills of a good drummer!" Website states no humanize feature but
>>>>instead
>>>
>>>>uses recorded alternating strokes for a velocity layer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Are any of you folks addicted or would you recommend that I stay with
> EZ?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Wayne Carson
>>>>Paris since '97
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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