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| Group peace and harmony. [message #98579] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 18:50  |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
Here's the plan.
We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few people,
and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
well as On Topic posts.
So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic debates
and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start deleting
or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing certain
people to refrain.
In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has always
been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a moderator.
I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open and
honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this stuff.
I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
food for thought at the moment.
Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
of line. Let it sit for a bit.
What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some positive
input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments for
a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
(*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
group.
(*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can pretend
it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that there's
too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group behaviour
perhaps.
Cheers,
Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98580 is a reply to message #98579] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 19:25  |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Thanks Kim
For your interest and effort.
Ted
Have you tried using a Firewire Plugin box (LiquidMix, Duende)
with Paris in XP? : )
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>
>Here's the plan.
>
>We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few people,
>and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
>well as On Topic posts.
>
>So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic debates
>and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start deleting
>or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
certain
>people to refrain.
>
>In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to
be
>a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
always
>been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a moderator.
>I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
and
>honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
stuff.
>
>I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
>food for thought at the moment.
>
>Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
>temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>
>What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some positive
>input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
for
>a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>
>(*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
>arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
>group.
>
>(*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>
>Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can pretend
>it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
>a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that there's
>too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>
>I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group behaviour
>perhaps.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98585 is a reply to message #98579] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 20:43 |
Jeff H
Messages: 9
Registered: April 2008
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THanks Kim,
Much appreciated.
Jeff
Kim wrote:
> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>
> Here's the plan.
>
> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few people,
> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
> well as On Topic posts.
>
> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic debates
> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start deleting
> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing certain
> people to refrain.
>
> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has always
> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a moderator.
> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open and
> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this stuff.
>
> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
> food for thought at the moment.
>
> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>
> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some positive
> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments for
> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>
> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
> group.
>
> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>
> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can pretend
> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that there's
> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>
> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group behaviour
> perhaps.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98587 is a reply to message #98579] |
Mon, 05 May 2008 20:59 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Coolio.. now, where'd I put that vegemite ? (grin)
AA
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>
>
> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>
> Here's the plan.
>
> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
> people,
> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
> well as On Topic posts.
>
> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
> debates
> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
> deleting
> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
> certain
> people to refrain.
>
> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
> always
> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
> moderator.
> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
> and
> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
> stuff.
>
> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
> food for thought at the moment.
>
> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>
> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
> positive
> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
> for
> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>
> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
> group.
>
> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>
> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
> pretend
> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
> there's
> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>
> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
> behaviour
> perhaps.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98618 is a reply to message #98579] |
Tue, 06 May 2008 07:35 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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OK, Daddy.
Kim wrote:
> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>
> Here's the plan.
>
> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few people,
> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
> well as On Topic posts.
>
> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic debates
> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start deleting
> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing certain
> people to refrain.
>
> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has always
> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a moderator.
> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open and
> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this stuff.
>
> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
> food for thought at the moment.
>
> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>
> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some positive
> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments for
> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>
> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
> group.
>
> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>
> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can pretend
> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that there's
> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>
> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group behaviour
> perhaps.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98651 is a reply to message #98579] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 04:55 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my own
defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I know
it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
S
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>
>
> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>
> Here's the plan.
>
> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
> people,
> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
> well as On Topic posts.
>
> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
> debates
> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
> deleting
> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
> certain
> people to refrain.
>
> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
> always
> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
> moderator.
> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
> and
> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
> stuff.
>
> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
> food for thought at the moment.
>
> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>
> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
> positive
> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
> for
> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>
> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
> group.
>
> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>
> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
> pretend
> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
> there's
> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>
> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
> behaviour
> perhaps.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98653 is a reply to message #98651] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 05:27 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Ah hah ! so you admit to inciting all the problems here ! I knew it ! :-)
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my
own
>defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
>as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I know
>it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
>test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
>personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>
>S
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>
>> Here's the plan.
>>
>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>> people,
>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
as
>> well as On Topic posts.
>>
>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>> debates
>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>> deleting
>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>> certain
>> people to refrain.
>>
>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to
be
>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>> always
>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>> moderator.
>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>> and
>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>> stuff.
>>
>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
just
>> food for thought at the moment.
>>
>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
that
>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>
>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>> positive
>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>> for
>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>
>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment
is
>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
the
>> group.
>>
>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>
>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>> pretend
>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more
of
>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>> there's
>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>
>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>> behaviour
>> perhaps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98661 is a reply to message #98651] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 07:40 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Sarah, that's the missing ingredient: a sense of humor! Laugh at
ourselves and we will be a whole lot happier. Truly, nothing is more
liberally larded with bitter sweet irony than human behavior.
Sarah wrote:
> I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my own
> defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
> as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I know
> it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
> test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
> personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>
> S
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>
>> Here's the plan.
>>
>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>> people,
>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum as
>> well as On Topic posts.
>>
>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>> debates
>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>> deleting
>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>> certain
>> people to refrain.
>>
>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to be
>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>> always
>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>> moderator.
>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>> and
>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>> stuff.
>>
>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's just
>> food for thought at the moment.
>>
>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist that
>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>
>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>> positive
>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>> for
>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>
>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in the
>> group.
>>
>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>
>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>> pretend
>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>> there's
>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>
>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>> behaviour
>> perhaps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98662 is a reply to message #98661] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 16:24 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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You said "lard." (giggle)
S
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4821c1ff$1@linux...
> Sarah, that's the missing ingredient: a sense of humor! Laugh at ourselves
> and we will be a whole lot happier. Truly, nothing is more liberally
> larded with bitter sweet irony than human behavior.
>
> Sarah wrote:
>> I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my
>> own defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or
>> combative as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something
>> . . . I know it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just
>> like to "rassle," test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it
>> or take things personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>>
>> S
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>>
>>> Here's the plan.
>>>
>>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>>> people,
>>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
>>> as
>>> well as On Topic posts.
>>>
>>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>>> debates
>>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>>> deleting
>>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>>> certain
>>> people to refrain.
>>>
>>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to
>>> be
>>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>>> always
>>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>>> moderator.
>>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>>> and
>>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some
>>> sort,
>>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
>>> just
>>> food for thought at the moment.
>>>
>>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
>>> that
>>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>>
>>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>>> positive
>>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>>> for
>>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>>
>>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment is
>>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
>>> the
>>> group.
>>>
>>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug
>>> info.
>>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>>
>>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>>> pretend
>>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more of
>>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>>> there's
>>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>>
>>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>>> behaviour
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98663 is a reply to message #98651] |
Wed, 07 May 2008 16:47 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Sarah,
I totally see what you're saying, and I'm not trying to stifle discussions
like that, though if they're OT they should be in the appropriate group mostly,
but if we can't talk about what we want, as well as nut things out, whatever
it be, then the world would be a lesser place.
But I do need to cater to:
(*) Those who are getting genuinely irritated, or worse.
(*) Those who don't like things too OT
What you're saying is, I think, a lot like Don often points out, that many
of us would get along much better if we were actually in a bar somewhere
chilling out face to face, than what we sometimes see here, and if they could
see your body language and see that you're relaxed and there's no need to
get worked up, it would all work much better. Genuine friendship requires
honesty though, so we have to find a balance between ensuring that a group
exists where things are mostly on topic, as well as ensuring that nobody
genuinely gets upset. A little playful prodding is fine, as is challenging
people's views, so long as everyone involved is taking it the right way,
and as long as it's not interrupting those who are here just to discuss music/technology,
which is kinda the point of the group.
And if things get out of hand it never hurts to get back to basics again.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my
own
>defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
>as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I know
>it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
>test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
>personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>
>S
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>
>> Here's the plan.
>>
>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>> people,
>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
as
>> well as On Topic posts.
>>
>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>> debates
>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>> deleting
>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>> certain
>> people to refrain.
>>
>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to
be
>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>> always
>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>> moderator.
>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>> and
>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>> stuff.
>>
>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
just
>> food for thought at the moment.
>>
>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
that
>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>
>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>> positive
>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>> for
>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>
>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment
is
>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
the
>> group.
>>
>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>
>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>> pretend
>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more
of
>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>> there's
>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>
>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>> behaviour
>> perhaps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98678 is a reply to message #98661] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 02:32 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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I dunno, Bill, irony is a disconnect between the apparent or spoken state.
That is, a convention of Mormons being held in Vegas or Bangkok is ironic.
Sarcasm makes use of irony, so when I tell the half-wits at HP 'Enterprise
Support Logistics' that they certainly earned their name as I'm waiting for
a part 13.5 hours after initiating a service call on a machine with a four
hour response time service contract, that's being ironic. Irony is pretty
high level, subtle stuff.
In my experience when it comes to human behavior pointless tragedy and low
rent slapstick comedy really seem to have the central roles. But hey, I've
been up for 22 hours at this point so maybe my point of view is a bit skewed.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Sarah, that's the missing ingredient: a sense of humor! Laugh at
>ourselves and we will be a whole lot happier. Truly, nothing is more
>liberally larded with bitter sweet irony than human behavior.
>
>Sarah wrote:
>> I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in
my own
>> defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
>> as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I
know
>> it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
>> test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
>> personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>>
>> S
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>>
>>> Here's the plan.
>>>
>>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>>> people,
>>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
as
>>> well as On Topic posts.
>>>
>>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today
the
>>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can
and
>>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>>> debates
>>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>>> deleting
>>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's
not
>>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>>> certain
>>> people to refrain.
>>>
>>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted
to be
>>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>>> always
>>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>>> moderator.
>>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>>> and
>>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
just
>>> food for thought at the moment.
>>>
>>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
that
>>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was
out
>>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>>
>>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>>> positive
>>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>>> for
>>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>>
>>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment
is
>>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
the
>>> group.
>>>
>>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>>
>>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>>> pretend
>>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more
of
>>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>>> there's
>>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>>
>>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>>> behaviour
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
>>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98679 is a reply to message #98663] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 03:39 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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i agree; i don't think some here would use the names called if it were
a face to face meeting. even though we've been together for many
years the whole anonymity thing at times takes it to levels that would
never happen in a personal meeting.
On 8 May 2008 09:47:34 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Sarah,
>
>I totally see what you're saying, and I'm not trying to stifle discussions
>like that, though if they're OT they should be in the appropriate group mostly,
>but if we can't talk about what we want, as well as nut things out, whatever
>it be, then the world would be a lesser place.
>
>But I do need to cater to:
>
>(*) Those who are getting genuinely irritated, or worse.
>
>(*) Those who don't like things too OT
>
>What you're saying is, I think, a lot like Don often points out, that many
>of us would get along much better if we were actually in a bar somewhere
>chilling out face to face, than what we sometimes see here, and if they could
>see your body language and see that you're relaxed and there's no need to
>get worked up, it would all work much better. Genuine friendship requires
>honesty though, so we have to find a balance between ensuring that a group
>exists where things are mostly on topic, as well as ensuring that nobody
>genuinely gets upset. A little playful prodding is fine, as is challenging
>people's views, so long as everyone involved is taking it the right way,
>and as long as it's not interrupting those who are here just to discuss music/technology,
>which is kinda the point of the group.
>
>And if things get out of hand it never hurts to get back to basics again.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in my
>own
>>defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
>
>>as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I know
>
>>it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
>
>>test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
>>personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>>
>>S
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>>
>>> Here's the plan.
>>>
>>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>>> people,
>>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
>as
>>> well as On Topic posts.
>>>
>>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today the
>>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can and
>>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>>> debates
>>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>
>>> deleting
>>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's not
>>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>
>>> certain
>>> people to refrain.
>>>
>>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted to
>be
>>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>
>>> always
>>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>>> moderator.
>>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>
>>> and
>>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
>just
>>> food for thought at the moment.
>>>
>>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
>that
>>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was out
>>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>>
>>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>>> positive
>>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>
>>> for
>>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>>
>>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment
>is
>>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
>the
>>> group.
>>>
>>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>>
>>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>
>>> pretend
>>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more
>of
>>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>
>>> there's
>>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>>
>>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>
>>> behaviour
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>
>>
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| Re: Group peace and harmony. [message #98682 is a reply to message #98678] |
Thu, 08 May 2008 06:41 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hope you get your part! You're right: there is plenty of good slapstick
out there.
The irony of which I spoke is the incongruity of behavior. When people
act in anger, grief, pity, hostility, covert hostility, they invariably
accomplish more harm than they attempt to counter, i.e. Bush's "war on
terror".
The irony of the solution becoming the problem. Only with great wisdom
can solutions be found that harm little, and wisdom is a scarce
commodity here on Earth.
Last night I watched Charlie Wilson's War. Get my point? Our CIA has an
uncanny tendency to help raise leaders to power who do more harm than
good, especially to the USA.
TCB wrote:
> I dunno, Bill, irony is a disconnect between the apparent or spoken state.
> That is, a convention of Mormons being held in Vegas or Bangkok is ironic.
> Sarcasm makes use of irony, so when I tell the half-wits at HP 'Enterprise
> Support Logistics' that they certainly earned their name as I'm waiting for
> a part 13.5 hours after initiating a service call on a machine with a four
> hour response time service contract, that's being ironic. Irony is pretty
> high level, subtle stuff.
>
> In my experience when it comes to human behavior pointless tragedy and low
> rent slapstick comedy really seem to have the central roles. But hey, I've
> been up for 22 hours at this point so maybe my point of view is a bit skewed.
>
>
> TCB
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Sarah, that's the missing ingredient: a sense of humor! Laugh at
>> ourselves and we will be a whole lot happier. Truly, nothing is more
>> liberally larded with bitter sweet irony than human behavior.
>>
>> Sarah wrote:
>>> I like your thinking on this. I do want to say something (perhaps in
> my own
>>> defense?), which is just that some of us might not be as angry or combative
>
>>> as we sound. Like when DJ and/or Don and I get into something . . . I
> know
>>> it gets noisy and sarcastic at times, but I think we just like to "rassle,"
>
>>> test out our own points of view. I never hang on to it or take things
>
>>> personally. I just like the unfiltered banter. :)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:481fb97e$1@linux...
>>>> OK, are you relaxed? ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Here's the plan.
>>>>
>>>> We're all going to chill for a bit. I've had a few emails from a few
>
>>>> people,
>>>> and I think we all acknowledge that the group has been lacking decorum
> as
>>>> well as On Topic posts.
>>>>
>>>> So unfortunately I'm gonna get all moderator on you all. Later today
> the
>>>> groups will be renamed as discussed to make it clearer where you can
> and
>>>> cannot post certain things. This will hopefully clear any off topic
>>>> debates
>>>> and tension from the main group at least. Furthermore, I plan to start
>
>>>> deleting
>>>> or moving posts or threads for a short time as appropriate, and it's
> not
>>>> impossible that I will look, at least temporarily, at asking or forcing
>
>>>> certain
>>>> people to refrain.
>>>>
>>>> In a recent email with Chuck he commented to me that he never wanted
> to be
>>>> a moderator. I'm much the same, and I think the spirit of the group has
>
>>>> always
>>>> been that we sort out our own issues amongst ourselves without a
>>>> moderator.
>>>> I think this has worked well in creating a group of people who are open
>
>>>> and
>>>> honest with each other, but recently we've struggled with a lot of this
>
>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also half pondering creation of a Paris NG usage policy of some sort,
>>>> which gives a guide to decorum and approach which is expected. That's
> just
>>>> food for thought at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Right now however I just want to ask that everybody chill out. Resist
> that
>>>> temptation to post back your witty retort to whoever you thought was
> out
>>>> of line. Let it sit for a bit.
>>>>
>>>> What's more important to me right now than anything is getting some
>>>> positive
>>>> input into the group, and I think we have heard enough of the arguments
>
>>>> for
>>>> a bit. So I'll ask you all, for a couple of days at least:
>>>>
>>>> (*) If it's an argument, just let it go. I don't care if your comment
> is
>>>> arguably warranted. What's warranted more is some peace and harmony in
> the
>>>> group.
>>>>
>>>> (*) Think of something On Topic to post. New music software or plug info.
>>>> An instrument you're planning to buy. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>> Later today I hope to clear off some of these messy threads and we can
>
>>>> pretend
>>>> it never happened for a bit. Let's see the group become a little more
> of
>>>> a community again. If there's one thing everybody agrees on it's that
>
>>>> there's
>>>> too much discord, so let's simply avoid it for a bit.
>>>>
>>>> I'll rename the groups, and we'll look at some kind of guide to group
>
>>>> behaviour
>>>> perhaps.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>
>
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