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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62501 is a reply to message #62495] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 10:02   |
Dimitrios
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magog BFD in which you can trigger BFD
instruments with Drumagog. At this point, I think good cymbals and a
*decent* kit will still be necessary because it would be hard to replace the
room mics and OH's in Drumagog (but still maybe possible), but as far as
kick, nsare and toms go, it's going to be a whole new world, I think.. I
tied using a TrapKat with BFD about a year ago and wasn't too happy with the
trigger responses. I'm thinking that the ddrum redhat triggers might be a
good choice if the Roland triggers don't get you there.
Deej
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:43bd0295$1@linux...
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> Hi and happy new year.
> I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
> I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
reliable
> enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
> Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
complicated.
> I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
drumagog
> perfectly (if you can say that)
> I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
> enemy to perfect sound replacement.
> Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
> Regards,
> DimitriosI've heard nothing but good things about the Silicon Image SATA conrrollers.
I have a question about this though. If I'm reading my manual correctly, the
onboard VIA controller on my mobo has it's own separate bus for SATA RAID
which is independent of the PCI bus. I would think that, if this is the
case, using an onboard controller would be a better choice as long as it's
got a separate bus. The Promise controller on my
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62503 is a reply to message #62501] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 09:10 |
Don Nafe
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e" on the drums, you should be
> able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
> jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
> to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
> shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
> attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>
> Tony
>
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>
> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> news:43bd4794@linux...
>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>> I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and the
>> software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>> not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get all
>> the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>> trigger into something useful?
>>
>> jef
>>
>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>
>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>reliable
>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>complicated.
>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>drumagog
>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>
>Well, maybe OnyxVLZpro? ;>)
Tony
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bd4a7b$1@linux...
> so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have to
> come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the Onyx's. I
> loves audio !
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>> From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from the
>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though the
>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to them that
>> I didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding.
>> I'll have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first
>> hand knowledge.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "Miguel Vigil" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62507 is a reply to message #62504] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 09:27 |
Tony Benson
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't make reasonably good stuff. Always
use your own ears. I remember reading somewhere on Gearslutz where somebody
was taking their Onyx Mixer back because the mic pres were too shrill and
harsh. Of course every bodies got different ears, so listen for yourself!
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>so what will their next pres be? Even better, and then they'll have to
>come up with some adjectives to describe what is wrong with the Onyx's.
> I loves audio !
>
>Tony Benson wrote:
>> From what I've heard, the Onyx pre's are a pretty big step up from the
>> VLZpro. I've had non-VLZ, VLZ, and VLZpro Mackie boards, and though the
>> VLZpro pre's where much better, they still had a "harshness" to them that
I
>> didn't care for. The Onyx are supposed to be much smoother sounding. I'll
>> have to borrow my friends for a week so I can comment from first hand
>> knowledge.
>>
>> Tony
>>
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>> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43bd4431@linux...
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>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes there is a big difference. The VLZpro series is where Mackie rose
>>>high on the radar of the pro user for quality, usefullness and bang for
>>>the buck mic pre. Of course, you gotta use the insert out via first click
>>>method and avoid the channel.
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>El Miguel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd177a$1@linux...
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>>>>Don't know...I just asked him what he used, and that's what he said.
I
>>>
>>>didn't
>>>
>>>>know there was a diff in VLZ and VLZpro.
>>>>Rod
>>>>"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>>Right now his chain is a Mackie 1402 vlz into the Digi 002.
>>>>>>>Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this Mackie the VLZpro series?
>>>>>I don't know how the new Onyx pres compare.
>>>>>
>>>>>He could try to audition the cheap Behringer ADA8000 with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.studioprojects.com/sp828.html
>>>>>This is an 8 channel mic pre about $800, that needs to be run into an
>>>
>>>ADC.
>>>
>>>>>Just ideas to keep cost in check.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>El Miguel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62546 is a reply to message #62504] |
Thu, 05 January 2006 21:17 |
Aaron Allen
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Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them to
open the gates :)
AA
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43bd53ff@linux...
> The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
> piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
> narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
> You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
> but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
> triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will be
> a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
> means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
> risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
> external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
> double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
> trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
> doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should be
> able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
> jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
> to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
> shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
> attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
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> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> news:43bd4794@linux...
>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>> I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and the
>> software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>> not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get all
>> the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>> trigger into something useful?
>>
>> jef
>>
>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>
>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>reliable
>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>complicated.
>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>drumagog
>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62567 is a reply to message #62546] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 05:21 |
jef knight[1]
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now *that's* a good trick!
still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
just my 2cents
Aaron Allen wrote:
>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them to
>open the gates :)
>AA
>
>
>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>
>
>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will be
>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should be
>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>
>>
>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and the
>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get all
>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>
>>>jef
>>>
>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>reliable
>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>complicated.
>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>drumagog
>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>
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now *that's* a good trick!<br>
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still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.<br>
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just my 2cents<br>
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Aaron Allen wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them to
open the gates :)
AA
"Tony Benson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tony@standinghampton.com"><tony@standinghampton.com></a> wrote in message
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<pre wrap="">The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will be
a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should be
able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling the
shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
Tony
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<pre wrap="">I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and the
software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get all
the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
trigger into something useful?
jef
Dimitrios wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi and happy new year.
I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
reliable
enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
complicated.
I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
drumagog
perfectly (if you can say that)
I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is an
enemy to perfect sound replacement.
Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
Regards,
Dimitrios
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62576 is a reply to message #62567] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 08:06 |
Tony Benson
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Jef,
Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43be6f5c@linux...
> now *that's* a good trick!
>
> still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
> dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>
> just my 2cents
>
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>
>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>to
>>open the gates :)
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>
>>
>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>be
>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>be
>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>the
>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>the
>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>all
>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>
>>>>jef
>>>>
>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>reliable
>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>an
>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62597 is a reply to message #62576] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 12:45 |
jef knight[1]
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insightful. thanks Tony. I'm not at all familiar with drumogog but, as
they say, whatever works works...
Tony Benson wrote:
>Jef,
>
>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
>would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
>quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
>think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>
>
>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>
>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>
>>just my 2cents
>>
>>
>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>>to
>>>open the gates :)
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>be
>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>be
>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>the
>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>the
>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>all
>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62599 is a reply to message #62576] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 13:16 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
Tony Benson wrote:
>Jef,
>
>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as there
>would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be lowered
>quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a little. I don't
>think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm intrigued.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>
>
>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>
>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>
>>just my 2cents
>>
>>
>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use them
>>>to
>>>open the gates :)
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually very
>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity right,
>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is that
>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>be
>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>be
>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also want
>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>the
>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>the
>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input? I'm
>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>all
>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could drive
>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>an
>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62600 is a reply to message #62597] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 13:24 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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Drumagog is a very cool "drum replacer" plug-in. It uses your recorded drum
tracks to trigger it's own samples. It uses banks of multi velocity sample
libraries. You can blend the level of the sample in with your recorded
sound, or have it totally replace your recorded sound. It will also convert
your recorded drums to midi output to send out to hardware sound sources. I
think what Dimitrios wants to do is, record using triggers to remove as much
of the drum sound from his cymbal tracks, then use Drumagog to "replace" the
trigger pulses with the samples of his choice. Kind of like recording an
electronic drum kit, but with real cymbals. Since he uses Drumagog, he could
do this by only having to deaden his real drums and use triggers to record
pulses to trigger the Drumagog samples. Here's a link if you want to check
into it:
http://www.drumagog.com/
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43bed75d@linux...
> insightful. thanks Tony. I'm not at all familiar with drumogog but, as
> they say, whatever works works...
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>
>>Jef,
>>
>>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>>there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be
>>lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>>intrigued.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>
>>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>>
>>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>
>>>just my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>>>>them to
>>>>open the gates :)
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>>>>>very
>>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>right,
>>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>>>>>that
>>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>>be
>>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>>be
>>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>>>>>want
>>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>>the
>>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62601 is a reply to message #62599] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 14:06 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Yes, the voltage output of a piezo drum trigger is proportional to how much
it vibrates. They work just a piezo bridge on a guitar. The problem is that
they don't always operate at an impedance consistent with audio gear. This
is why it might be necessary to experiment with "buffer" resistors between
the hot and ground connection of the triggers. One way to do this would be
to run the trigger into the line in of a mixer channel and use the gain
control to adjust the level of the direct output back into your recording
gear. If the output is too hot even at the lowest gain setting, it's time to
get the solder iron out. I remember some triggers I used to use back in the
late 80's had resistors soldered between the hot and ground lugs of the 1/4
plugs. And that was to buffer the output down to work with regular trigger
inputs. You'd have to experiment to get it right for audio inputs. It should
actually work very well with Drumagog.
Tony
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43bedeb9@linux...
> could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>
>>Jef,
>>
>>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>>there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could be
>>lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>>intrigued.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>
>>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>>
>>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up a
>>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>
>>>just my 2cents
>>>
>>>
>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>>>>them to
>>>>open the gates :)
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically, a
>>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>>>>>very
>>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>right,
>>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>>>>>that
>>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There will
>>>>>be
>>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>>be
>>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to do
>>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>>>>>want
>>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>>the
>>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tony
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them and
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you get
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from the
>>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage is
>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62612 is a reply to message #62601] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 22:04 |
Chris Wargo
Messages: 45
Registered: November 2005
|
Member |
|
|
Tony, It sounds like you are actually describing a pad. Piezos have very
high output impedances and need a buffer amp as an input when passing audio,
like the on board preamps used on an acoustic guitar. The purpose of this
buffer amp is to raise the input impedance that the transducer sees. This
prevents the transducer from being unduly loaded by the input amplifier and
keeps the frquency response even and alows for maximum signal transfer between
pickup and amplifier. Plugging a piezo into a normal 10Kohm line input actually
would drop the signal down versus the same piezo through a proper buffer
amp at unity gain feeding the same pre. Since the audio quality isn't a concearn
with the trigger signal, pretty much any method of getting the right signal
voltage would be fine. I've triggered drumgog with a radioshack piezo taped
to a wooden board. I ran this into a little mackie and then into my recording
software. I can't recall if I needed to use a mic or line input though,
but whatever gets the required gain should be fine.
-Chris
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Yes, the voltage output of a piezo drum trigger is proportional to how much
>it vibrates. They work just a piezo bridge on a guitar. The problem is that
>they don't always operate at an impedance consistent with audio gear. This
>is why it might be necessary to experiment with "buffer" resistors between
>the hot and ground connection of the triggers. One way to do this would
be
>to run the trigger into the line in of a mixer channel and use the gain
>control to adjust the level of the direct output back into your recording
>gear. If the output is too hot even at the lowest gain setting, it's time
to
>get the solder iron out. I remember some triggers I used to use back in
the
>late 80's had resistors soldered between the hot and ground lugs of the
1/4
>plugs. And that was to buffer the output down to work with regular trigger
>inputs. You'd have to experiment to get it right for audio inputs. It should
>actually work very well with Drumagog.
>
>Tony
>
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:43bedeb9@linux...
>> could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
>>
>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>
>>>Jef,
>>>
>>>Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>>>trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>>>introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>>>trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>>>there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could
be
>>>lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>>little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>>>intrigued.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>>
>>>>now *that's* a good trick!
>>>>
>>>>still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up
a
>>>>dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>>
>>>>just my 2cents
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>>>>>them to
>>>>>open the gates :)
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically,
a
>>>>>>piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>>>>>>very
>>>>>>narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>>You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>>right,
>>>>>>but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>>>>>>that
>>>>>>triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There
will
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>>means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>>risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>>external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>>double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>>trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>>doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>>>>>>be
>>>>>>able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to
do
>>>>>>jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>>attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>>I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them
and
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>>>>>>>I'm
>>>>>>>not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you
get
>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from
the
>>>>>>>trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>>I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>>I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>>reliable
>>>>>>>>enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>>>Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>>>complicated.
>>>>>>>>I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could
>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>drumagog
>>>>>>>>perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>>>I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage
is
>>>>>>>>an
>>>>>>>>enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>>>Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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| Re: Anyone_using_drum_triggers?_need_some_insight [message #62615 is a reply to message #62612] |
Fri, 06 January 2006 22:29 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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Exactly Chris. You obviously have a much better technical understanding of
it than I do, but that's what I was trying to say. As long as you can get
the trigger signal recorded with a decent amount of dynamic range, you
should be able to get great results with Drumagog.
Tony
On 1/7/06 12:04 AM, in article 43bf4bec$1@linux, "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na>
wrote:
>
> Tony, It sounds like you are actually describing a pad. Piezos have very
> high output impedances and need a buffer amp as an input when passing audio,
> like the on board preamps used on an acoustic guitar. The purpose of this
> buffer amp is to raise the input impedance that the transducer sees. This
> prevents the transducer from being unduly loaded by the input amplifier and
> keeps the frquency response even and alows for maximum signal transfer between
> pickup and amplifier. Plugging a piezo into a normal 10Kohm line input
> actually
> would drop the signal down versus the same piezo through a proper buffer
> amp at unity gain feeding the same pre. Since the audio quality isn't a
> concearn
> with the trigger signal, pretty much any method of getting the right signal
> voltage would be fine. I've triggered drumgog with a radioshack piezo taped
> to a wooden board. I ran this into a little mackie and then into my recording
> software. I can't recall if I needed to use a mic or line input though,
> but whatever gets the required gain should be fine.
>
> -Chris
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>> Yes, the voltage output of a piezo drum trigger is proportional to how much
>
>> it vibrates. They work just a piezo bridge on a guitar. The problem is that
>
>> they don't always operate at an impedance consistent with audio gear. This
>
>> is why it might be necessary to experiment with "buffer" resistors between
>
>> the hot and ground connection of the triggers. One way to do this would
> be
>> to run the trigger into the line in of a mixer channel and use the gain
>
>> control to adjust the level of the direct output back into your recording
>
>> gear. If the output is too hot even at the lowest gain setting, it's time
> to
>> get the solder iron out. I remember some triggers I used to use back in
> the
>> late 80's had resistors soldered between the hot and ground lugs of the
> 1/4
>> plugs. And that was to buffer the output down to work with regular trigger
>
>> inputs. You'd have to experiment to get it right for audio inputs. It should
>
>> actually work very well with Drumagog.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> news:43bedeb9@linux...
>>> could you still get velocity info this way, or would it be edit-city?
>>>
>>> Tony Benson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jef,
>>>>
>>>> Since Dimitrios wants to use Drumagog as his sound source, an external
>
>>>> trigger to midi device really wouldn't be necessary and might actually
>
>>>> introduce some extra latency from the midi conversion. I think a recorded
>
>>>> trigger pulse would actually be the best way to "trigger" Drumagog as
>
>>>> there would be much less crosstalk and the threshold on Drumagog could
> be
>>>> lowered quite a bit. I may actually experiment with this scenario a
>>>> little. I don't think I'll quit recording my "real" drums, but now I'm
>
>>>> intrigued.
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:43be6f5c@linux...
>>>>
>>>>> now *that's* a good trick!
>>>>>
>>>>> still suspicious of the other use though. for the 199 you can pick up
> a
>>>>> dm-5 for it doesn't seem, to me anyway, worth the exp hassles.
>>>>>
>>>>> just my 2cents
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another sweet trick is to put triggers on a conventional kit and use
>
>>>>>> them to
>>>>>> open the gates :)
>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43bd53ff@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The voltage from the triggers will record just like audio. Basically,
> a
>>>>>>> piezo trigger acts as a contact microphone. The bandwidth is usually
>
>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>> narrow and the sensitivity is much less than a conventional microphone.
>>>>>>> You will need to do some tweaking to get the gain and sensitivity
>>>>>>> right,
>>>>>>> but that shouldn't be too difficult. One thing to remember though is
>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> triggers are sensitive to vibration from the whole drum kit. There
> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> a trade off between sensitivity and reducing false triggering, so that
>>>>>>> means it's difficult to get a wide range of trigger velocities without
>>>>>>> risking some double or false triggering. This is one area where an
>>>>>>> external trigger input device can help, as they can be set to ignore
>>>>>>> double triggering and usually have various settings to optimize the
>>>>>>> trigger's output. Anyway, if your doing pop, rock, or other music that
>>>>>>> doesn't necessarily require a lot of "finesse" on the drums, you should
>
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> able to make triggers and drumagog work. Don't plan on being able to
> do
>>>>>>> jazz or snare parts with ghost notes, etc. One thing you might also
>
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to look into is putting mesh heads on the drums in addition to filling
>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> shells with foam, packing peanuts, etc. That would reduce to "click"
>>>>>>> attack you'll get with regular drum heads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:43bd4794@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I use triggers both in the studio and live (kick only).
>>>>>>>> I don't see how triggers could work w/o an interface between them
> and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> software. What are you thinkin', just put them into an audio input?
>
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> not familliar with drummagog but w/o the interface where will you
> get
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the velocity etc info? Won't you have to convert the voltage from
> the
>>>>>>>> trigger into something useful?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dimitrios wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi and happy new year.
>>>>>>>>> I amconsidering trying these roland drum triggers.
>>>>>>>>> I only wonder can these trigger signals be recorded and asre these
>>>>>>>>> reliable
>>>>>>>>> enouph to drive Drumagog's engine ?
>>>>>>>>> Thus not to buy and trigger to midi device that makes things more
>>>>>>>>> complicated.
>>>>>>>>> I would like to have clean (no leackage) trigger sound that could
>
>>>>>>>>> drive
>>>>>>>>> drumagog
>>>>>>>>> perfectly (if you can say that)
>>>>>>>>> I am already using it with real drum sounds but sometimes leackage
> is
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> enemy to perfect sound replacement.
>>>>>>>>> Any insight in this direction would be appreciatted.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
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