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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105429 is a reply to message #105428] |
Thu, 22 July 2010 15:15   |
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Are you on Mac or PC with the RME card? Apple seriously dropped the ball on this, ADAT sync only works on PC (or when being received by MOTU software with MOTU hardware).
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105439 is a reply to message #105438] |
Fri, 23 July 2010 09:49 |
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Excellent! No, you definitely need the ADAT sync cable, nothing else transmits the stream of data needed for APP. But it should be a breeze from now on.
If you don't have AATranslator, it's pretty close to a must-have now - I haven't verified this rigorously but it seems that AATranslator's translations of exported PARIS OMFs match the placement of ADAT sync with sample accuracy, unsurprisingly since both reference from the internal sample clock rather than something as crude as frames per second. So now in addition to being able to fly stuff back and forth between Reaper and PARIS via ADAT sync, you can also either export PARIS OMFs and convert them to a host of other DAW formats or go the other way and use AATranslator to open the Reaper session to do the same. True sync bliss.
Glad you got it sorted!
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105442 is a reply to message #105441] |
Fri, 23 July 2010 13:38 |
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Yes, I realized that quickly during the process too - "I must have more gear, stat!"  .
Next up, a master clock. As you might see from my setup, the RME is actually in "master" clock mode supplying word clock out to feed the MECs. Simultaneously, its ADAT sync in supplies positional sync from PARIS to Reaper (the C16 controls the transport). PARIS' functionality is so cool and the buy-in so and expansion so cheap that it makes total sense once again. My latency through PARIS' ins and looped into Reaper via SP/DIF is ridiculously low (I've never noticed any) so tracking to either DAW is now a breeze.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105443 is a reply to message #105442] |
Fri, 23 July 2010 13:42 |
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By the way, if you had a chance and felt like writing up the steps to pull this off while it's fresh in your memory, I'd be happy to format it into a Wiki entry for the next person along.
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105445 is a reply to message #105401] |
Sat, 24 July 2010 09:08 |
thesandbox1
Messages: 167
Registered: July 2009
Location: Carmel, IN
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Okay...
Syncing Reaper to PARIS using a RME 9652.
1. Connect 9 pin male to male cable from PARIS ADAT card to RME card.
2. In Hammerfall DSP settings... Set Clock mode to Auto Sync (note I am using another Master clock so this may differ) Set Pref Sync Ref to ADAT sync. (note: you can also watch this box as PARIS loads to see the ADAT sync taking place and also while playing to watch the time code)
3. In REAPER Preferences under Audio Device make sure that Audio system is set to ASIO and the ASIO driver is set to ASIO Hammerfall DSP (this is what I did not catch at first) Enable your inputs and outputs here as well.
Second...there are a couple ways but if you right click the play button in REAPER go and check "enable sync to timecode" and set "use input" to ASIO Positioning Protocol" Check "start playback ...when stopped" if you desire or make sure the play button is green and says SYNC on it.
Double check that the BPM and time sig in REAPER match PARIS for easier editing...
Now Press Play in PARIS and Reaper should roll with it!
Kerry if I missed anything please go ahead and ask or edit as needed.
Matt
www.sandboxproductions.com
https://www.facebook.com/Sandbox-Productions-Recording-Studi o-Carmel-IN-122733877784336/
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105448 is a reply to message #105445] |
Sat, 24 July 2010 13:41 |
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That's great stuff, Matt, really concise. It's up on the Wiki now, I added some additional notes too.
How's it working - nice and crisp? I haven't really played with the parameters much, it seemed to lock with PARIS nicely out of the box. I have the RME streaming back into PARIS via two channels of the lightpipe so I monitor through a pair of channel strips using the Brian Tankersley "monitor regardless of monitor mode" trick - have you got that set up yet?
It's quite a mind-bending setup to get one's head around - I have the RME as the word clock master and the positional sync slave, I'm also routing the ADAT digital back into PARIS, and then I have also have my Demeter and one mic pre "normalled" in the PARIS patchbay - in through one input of PARIS and back out of the SP/DIF out - to stream that audio straight into the SP/DIF in of the RME and thus into Reaper. Sounds complicated with all those digital streams looped back and forth; works flawlessly, nary a click or pop.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Dual DAW users and the RME 9652 [message #105449 is a reply to message #105448] |
Sat, 24 July 2010 14:00 |
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Re: AATranslator and this:
| Quote: | I did get AATranslator awhile ago and only tried it with a couple of songs and they never finished exporting. Will have to look through the list of things to watch for that you posted and try again some time.
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- here, I'll save you some time. 99% likely you either have 1) a corrupted audio file in that PARIS session (just try an export from a different session) or 2) an illegal character like a slash or a period in a file name, segment name, or track name (or you have segments that you've named and PARIS has inserted the illegal "slash" character as a separator).
Quick fixes to try:
a) check the audio files in your song's Audio Bin just have either numbers or letters in their names - no characters like "." or "/". Do the same for your audio segments. Try exporting again - if that doesn't fix it,
b) go into your audio bin and right click each segment (not file) so its name turns red, and delete the segment's name (this seems to stifle PARIS' urge to stick an apparently illegal "/" in to separate the names of file and segment). Try exporting again - if it still doesn't complete,
c) suspect a corrupted audio segment - you can use the steps in the Wiki to track down and fix the corruption. Mike and I have talked about a drag-and-drop utility to fix our apparently all-too-easily corrupted PAFs, don't know whether that's made its way up the priority list yet.
The other 1% alternative is of course that you've discovered a problem we've missed, but try those first. Since I discovered those fixes and started getting vigilant about names I've not had a single failed export, and I must have done at least forty by now, some very large and complex. The newer versions of AATranslator are literally about fifty times faster than the old ones and large sessions that once took 45 minutes take under a minute, or sadly, "no longer quite long enough to make it to the coffee machine".
By the way - don't do it from the "Crop Circles" or "See It My Way" demos, do it from one of your own sessions. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that the demos themselves might have had problems that were pressed into the CD they came on - mine failed repeatedly and I eventually tracked it down to corrupted audio.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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a second card and then have virtually any mix and match of inputs and outputs to all MEC's...especially for headphone mixes. 
