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This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89346] Wed, 05 September 2007 14:23 Go to next message
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Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89347 is a reply to message #89346] Wed, 05 September 2007 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any lower.
In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad it's
a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89352 is a reply to message #89346] Thu, 06 September 2007 02:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What government?

S

"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427730/?GT1=10357
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89358 is a reply to message #89352] Thu, 06 September 2007 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>What government?

The one that's good for nothing but voting itself pay raises
every year?
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89365 is a reply to message #89347] Thu, 06 September 2007 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president ever.
Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our worst
ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse presidents
regardless of your individual politics.

"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any lower.
> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad it's
>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89366 is a reply to message #89346] Thu, 06 September 2007 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427730/?GT1=10357

So if the government is so incompetent, how do we know those nukes would
even work if the planes crashed or the bombs were accidentally dropped on
Gomorr.....uhhh........San Francisco? There may have been no danger at all
and this is just FUD.

I think you're getting the cart before the horse here.

Proof.......I want proof........

;o)
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89367 is a reply to message #89366] Thu, 06 September 2007 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:46df1e5d$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427730/?GT1=10357
>
>So if the government is so incompetent, how do we know those nukes would

>even work if the planes crashed or the bombs were accidentally dropped on

>Gomorr.....uhhh........San Francisco? There may have been no danger at all

>and this is just FUD.
>
>I think you're getting the cart before the horse here.
>
>Proof.......I want proof........
>
>;o)
>

I think the scary thing is that there are supposed to be protocols that will
prevent this kind of thing from EVER happening, no matter what. The missiles
were supposed to be transported without the warheads, even if they were inactive.
That said, I'm not especially concerned by this if it's happened once in
sixty or so years.

As far as San Fran, I guess we can only hope that someone with highly evolved
(and stridently hetero) morality like Lot would have survived the nuclear
destruction by offering his daughters up for a long night of gang rape! Them's
some family values.

TCB
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89369 is a reply to message #89358] Thu, 06 September 2007 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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Oh THOSE guys. Silly me. I was thinking a government would actually
govern. OK, I got it.

S

"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46e0001f$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>What government?
>
> The one that's good for nothing but voting itself pay raises
> every year?
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89371 is a reply to message #89365] Thu, 06 September 2007 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the
usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership
qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.

Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst ever:

1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put
our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only are
we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies have
backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a wounded
bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world since the
Iraq invasion.

2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people die
needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to begin to
define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get those dirty
brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.

3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie. The
lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before
the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",
Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national tragedy
to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard Clarke was
there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story in painful
detail in his book Against All Enemies.

4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse damage
as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a president.

5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then
believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.
That just don't sound none too Christian to me.

6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now, today,
how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the USA ever
again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.

Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has to
make this planet unliveable.

Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.

And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)

S


"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>
> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president ever.
> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our worst
> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
> presidents
> regardless of your individual politics.
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>lower.
>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad it's
>>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89378 is a reply to message #89371] Thu, 06 September 2007 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
excelav is currently offline  excelav   
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Here we go in to news group meltdown again, I shouldn't have made this post,
sorry.

"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the

>usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership

>qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>
>Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst ever:
>
> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put

>our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only
are
>we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies have

>backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a wounded

>bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world since the

>Iraq invasion.
>
> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people
die
>needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to begin to

>define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get those dirty

>brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.
>
> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.

>Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
>talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
The
>lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
>anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before

>the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",

>Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national tragedy

>to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard Clarke
was
>there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story in painful

>detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>
> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think

>Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd

>leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
>clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
>apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
>alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse damage

>as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a president.
>
> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
>Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then

>believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.

>That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>
> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now, today,

>how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the USA ever

>again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>
> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent

>and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
to
>make this planet unliveable.
>
> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>
> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>
>S
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>
>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president ever.
>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our worst
>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>> presidents
>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>lower.
>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
it's
>>>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>
>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89379 is a reply to message #89371] Thu, 06 September 2007 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   FRANCE
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Oh poo Sarah..........I can type lots more little symbols on my keyboard
that when strung together to make words which evolve into sentences, which
then evolve into paragraphs (which I can also number :o) that can then be
either interpreted to refute your little characters that make up words
(etc.) disputing the points you make or challengeing/discrediting those
whose statements, statistics and opinions you are reciting. Wanna see me do
it? Huh???...HUH!!!????.....do you???

(flexes digits in preparation for the typing equivalent of pulling a semi
truck with an unmentioned appendage and grunts in a manly way)

;o)


"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:46e09569$1@linux...
>I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the
>usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership
>qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>
> Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst ever:
>
> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put
> our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only
> are we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies
> have backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a
> wounded bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world
> since the Iraq invasion.
>
> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people die
> needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to begin to
> define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get those
> dirty brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.
>
> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
> Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
> talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
> The lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
> anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before
> the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",
> Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national
> tragedy to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard
> Clarke was there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story
> in painful detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>
> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
> Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
> leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
> clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
> apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
> alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse
> damage as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a
> president.
>
> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
> Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then
> believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.
> That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>
> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now,
> today, how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the
> USA ever again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>
> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
> and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
> to make this planet unliveable.
>
> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>
> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>
> S
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>
>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president ever.
>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our
>> worst
>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>> presidents
>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>lower.
>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
>>> it's
>>>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>
>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89380 is a reply to message #89379] Thu, 06 September 2007 20:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sarah already knows all about poo.

Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com


DJ wrote:
> Oh poo Sarah..........I can type lots more little symbols on my keyboard
> that when strung together to make words which evolve into sentences, which
> then evolve into paragraphs (which I can also number :o) that can then be
> either interpreted to refute your little characters that make up words
> (etc.) disputing the points you make or challengeing/discrediting those
> whose statements, statistics and opinions you are reciting. Wanna see me do
> it? Huh???...HUH!!!????.....do you???
>
> (flexes digits in preparation for the typing equivalent of pulling a semi
> truck with an unmentioned appendage and grunts in a manly way)
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:46e09569$1@linux...
>> I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the
>> usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership
>> qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>>
>> Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst ever:
>>
>> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put
>> our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only
>> are we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies
>> have backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a
>> wounded bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world
>> since the Iraq invasion.
>>
>> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people die
>> needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to begin to
>> define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get those
>> dirty brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.
>>
>> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
>> Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
>> talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
>> The lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
>> anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before
>> the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",
>> Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national
>> tragedy to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard
>> Clarke was there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story
>> in painful detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>>
>> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
>> Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
>> leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
>> clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
>> apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
>> alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse
>> damage as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a
>> president.
>>
>> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
>> Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then
>> believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.
>> That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>>
>> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now,
>> today, how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the
>> USA ever again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>>
>> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
>> and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
>> to make this planet unliveable.
>>
>> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>>
>> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president ever.
>>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our
>>> worst
>>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>>> presidents
>>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>> With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>> lower.
>>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
>>>> it's
>>>> a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>
>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89382 is a reply to message #89371] Thu, 06 September 2007 20:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent

>and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
to
>make this planet unliveable.

Good thing those extremists that want to impose a set of laws
based on societal mores from two millennia ago, or in the
absence of their ability to do so would rather kill those who
don't like their particular ideology, don't have anything to do
with out current situation.
Yep, let's just blame the ones that are trying to deal with it
instead - that makes MUCH more sense.
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89383 is a reply to message #89379] Thu, 06 September 2007 21:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I need a beer...


DC
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89392 is a reply to message #89378] Fri, 07 September 2007 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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It's OK James, I shouldn't have responded. :)

S


"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46e0bcc6$1@linux...
>
> Here we go in to news group meltdown again, I shouldn't have made this
> post,
> sorry.
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the
>
>>usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership
>
>>qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>>
>>Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst ever:
>>
>> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put
>
>>our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only
> are
>>we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies have
>
>>backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a
>>wounded
>
>>bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world since the
>
>>Iraq invasion.
>>
>> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people
> die
>>needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to begin to
>
>>define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get those
>>dirty
>
>>brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.
>>
>> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
>
>>Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
>>talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
> The
>>lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
>>anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before
>
>>the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",
>
>>Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national
>>tragedy
>
>>to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard Clarke
> was
>>there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story in painful
>
>>detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>>
>> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
>
>>Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
>
>>leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
>>clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
>>apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
>>alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse
>>damage
>
>>as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a president.
>>
>> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
>>Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then
>
>>believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.
>
>>That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>>
>> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now,
>> today,
>
>>how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the USA
>>ever
>
>>again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>>
>> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
>
>>and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
> to
>>make this planet unliveable.
>>
>> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>>
>> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>>
>>S
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president
>>> ever.
>>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our
>>> worst
>>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>>> presidents
>>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>>lower.
>>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
> it's
>>>>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89393 is a reply to message #89380] Fri, 07 September 2007 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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Boy do I ever.

S


"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46e0c134@linux...
>
> Sarah already knows all about poo.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Oh poo Sarah..........I can type lots more little symbols on my keyboard
>> that when strung together to make words which evolve into sentences,
>> which then evolve into paragraphs (which I can also number :o) that can
>> then be either interpreted to refute your little characters that make up
>> words (etc.) disputing the points you make or challengeing/discrediting
>> those whose statements, statistics and opinions you are reciting. Wanna
>> see me do it? Huh???...HUH!!!????.....do you???
>>
>> (flexes digits in preparation for the typing equivalent of pulling a semi
>> truck with an unmentioned appendage and grunts in a manly way)
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:46e09569$1@linux...
>>> I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose
>>> the usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability,
>>> leadership qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>>>
>>> Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst
>>> ever:
>>>
>>> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have
>>> put our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not
>>> only are we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and
>>> allies have backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might
>>> feel for a wounded bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around
>>> the world since the Iraq invasion.
>>>
>>> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people
>>> die needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to
>>> begin to define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get
>>> those dirty brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you
>>> that.
>>>
>>> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
>>> Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
>>> talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
>>> The lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11
>>> or anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that
>>> before the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney,
>>> "Condi", Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this
>>> national tragedy to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for
>>> it, Richard Clarke was there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and
>>> tells the story in painful detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>>>
>>> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
>>> Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
>>> leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
>>> clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
>>> apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
>>> alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse
>>> damage as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a
>>> president.
>>>
>>> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
>>> Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and
>>> then believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal
>>> gain. That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>>>
>>> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now,
>>> today, how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will
>>> the USA ever again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>>>
>>> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
>>> and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration
>>> has to make this planet unliveable.
>>>
>>> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>>>
>>> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president
>>>> ever.
>>>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our
>>>> worst
>>>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>>>> presidents
>>>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>> With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>>> lower.
>>>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
>>>>> it's
>>>>> a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>>
>>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89394 is a reply to message #89382] Fri, 07 September 2007 00:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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Yeah, good thing.

Wait a minute . . . somebody's trying to deal with it? Guess I missed that.
Who would that be?

S


"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46e0c54f$1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
>
>>and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
> to
>>make this planet unliveable.
>
> Good thing those extremists that want to impose a set of laws
> based on societal mores from two millennia ago, or in the
> absence of their ability to do so would rather kill those who
> don't like their particular ideology, don't have anything to do
> with out current situation.
> Yep, let's just blame the ones that are trying to deal with it
> instead - that makes MUCH more sense.
>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89395 is a reply to message #89379] Fri, 07 September 2007 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
Senior Member
Boy do I ever.

S


"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
news:46e0c04e@linux...
> Oh poo Sarah..........I can type lots more little symbols on my keyboard
> that when strung together to make words which evolve into sentences, which
> then evolve into paragraphs (which I can also number :o) that can then be
> either interpreted to refute your little characters that make up words
> (etc.) disputing the points you make or challengeing/discrediting those
> whose statements, statistics and opinions you are reciting. Wanna see me
> do it? Huh???...HUH!!!????.....do you???
>
> (flexes digits in preparation for the typing equivalent of pulling a semi
> truck with an unmentioned appendage and grunts in a manly way)
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
> news:46e09569$1@linux...
>>I guess it would depend on your criteria for worseness, and I suppose the
>>usual criteria would be things like competence, corruptability, leadership
>>qualities, and legacy. History book type evaluations.
>>
>> Here's why I myself consider Bush (and his administration) the worst
>> ever:
>>
>> 1. His ignorant, ethnocentric, machismo Middle East policies have put
>> our country in far more danger than we were in prior to 9/11. Not only
>> are we more hated than before, but even some of our friends and allies
>> have backed away in a sort of frightened pity, like you might feel for a
>> wounded bear. Terror attacks have increased steadily around the world
>> since the Iraq invasion.
>>
>> 2. He would rather continue to let more tens of thousands of people
>> die needlessly than admit defeat, all the while completely unable to
>> begin to define what "victory" is. I can tell you what victory is: get
>> those dirty brown Muslim feet off our oil. But they won't tell you that.
>>
>> 3. Tens of thousands are already dead or maimed, and all for a lie.
>> Yes, I said a lie. Not a mistake, not bad intelligence (unless you're
>> talking about their brains), but an intentional deception . . . a lie.
>> The lie, of course, is that invading Iraq and anything to do with 9/11 or
>> anything to do with the "war on terror" at all. The truth is that before
>> the sun even came up on 9/12/2001, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, "Condi",
>> Bush and all were working out how to take advantage of this national
>> tragedy to promote their Iraq agenda. Don't take my word for it, Richard
>> Clarke was there with them on 9/11, 9/12, 9/13 etc., and tells the story
>> in painful detail in his book Against All Enemies.
>>
>> 4. I'm sick of hearing people talk about how it's a mistake to think
>> Bush is not intelligent, that beneath that lack of eloquence is a shrewd
>> leader. Bah. The man has worse problems than language mangling. He
>> clearly has reasoning problems, shows no evidence of conscience, and
>> apparently has learning disabilities. My long distance diagnosis is
>> alcoholic encephalopathy, but there may be some other substance abuse
>> damage as well. But to put it simply, we have an evil moron for a
>> president.
>>
>> 5. Why evil? Well, how 'bout the hypocrisy of calling oneself a
>> Christian, talking about a personal relationship with Jesus/God, and then
>> believing it's OK to decimate whole populations for one's personal gain.
>> That just don't sound none too Christian to me.
>>
>> 6. Even if we could stop Bush and his band of Bushies right now,
>> today, how many decades is it going to take to undo the damage? Will the
>> USA ever again be the "Shining City on the Hill?" I hope so.
>>
>> Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren may have been incompetent
>> and/or corrupt, but none had the ability that the Bush administration has
>> to make this planet unliveable.
>>
>> Bush and his whole greedy, lying crew belong in jail.
>>
>> And what did you do on YOUR summer vacation? :)
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:46e0481a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I still can't believe anyone considers GW to be the worst president
>>> ever.
>>> Perhaps the most venal or smallest minded, but he's nowhere near our
>>> worst
>>> ever. Wilson, McKinley, Buchanan, and van Buren were all FAR worse
>>> presidents
>>> regardless of your individual politics.
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>With the Worst President Ever I don't think my confidence can go any
>>>>lower.
>>>> In fact, I'm sure of it and with both dems and repubs sucking so bad
>>>> it's
>>>>a trifecta in play ! Go fark !
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89396 is a reply to message #89383] Fri, 07 September 2007 00:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
Senior Member
Come on over. All I got's Black Butte Porter, though . . .

s


"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:46e0d8ff$1@linux...
>
> I need a beer...
>
>
> DC
>
Re: This should help boost your confidence in our government. [message #89626 is a reply to message #89346] Tue, 11 September 2007 19:39 Go to previous message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
Senior Member
Nothing personal James, but: it is vital to recognize correct cause.
Solutions directed at wrong causes only make problems worse.

This was an error by the military, but, James, you asked about our
confidence in government. That's a wrong attribution and it just
confuses and misdirects attention.

That's what happened after 9/11. We were attacked by a tiny group of
wackos, but we attacked Iraq, a country that had little or nothing to do
with it.

Result: the problem got worse.

James McCloskey wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20427730/?GT1=10357
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