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| Balanced preamps driving non-balanced devices. [message #58341] |
Mon, 19 September 2005 23:18  |
Kim
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itrios, that's great to know. I'll at least try it. Is there
any documentation out there that explains the
use of wires?
Jeff
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>You cam use the wires under 98and |Me.
>Just install the subsystem as you would do if you had XP.
>I run Me and I have the wires showing
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| Re: Balanced preamps driving non-balanced devices. [message #58359 is a reply to message #58347] |
Tue, 20 September 2005 15:38  |
Kim
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hotmail.com" target="_blank">parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:trmvi1l2e10jvjmvqjscq43i9sampo20io@4ax.com...
> i knew that was you...i knew that was you...hoooooweeeeeee...dang!
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> On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:00:53 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
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> >......but no simpler than necessary.
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> >;o)
>Larry Upton <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote:
>Also be aware that your output level will be reduced 6dB
Yes good point. I'll have to keep that in mind.
Cheers,
Kim.EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>What kills me is the CERAMIC tube socket... those LED's must get that
>tube pretty hot!! ;-)
LOL!! ;o)Cool Pete, glad you found the problem.
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the advice everyone on my computer problems.
>
> After installing a new power supply with no change I took it to
> my local PC shop.Turns out the processor is dead.Thats lame but
> also its still under warranty so EastCoast should be able to
> change it out no problem.I guess its kinda weird for a 1 1/2 year
> old processor to go dead;comps,you gotta love 'em.
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> Anyway now I can get my money back from the power supply I just
> bought since I just got a MAGMA 13 slot;now I'm running with the
> big boys.
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> Anyway thanks again,
> PeteOh my God! Is the singer a Rhesus monkey and is he yelling into a Rubik's
Cube?
Rich
Man count thy days,
and if perchance they fly too fast,
for thy dull thoughts to count,
count every day thy last.
Henton Londini - Anno Dom 1605DJ, so where is this being held?
Man count thy days,
and if perchance they fly too fast,
for thy dull thoughts to count,
count every day thy last.
Henton Londini - Anno Dom 1605
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
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| Re: Balanced preamps driving non-balanced devices. [message #58360 is a reply to message #58359] |
Tue, 20 September 2005 15:57 |
EK Sound
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s:4328e30b@linux...
> My friend, Rudy Bear, came by here today. Rudy owns Trimble Hot Springs
> across the street from my house. He usually has weekend jazz concerts at
the
> Springs on the weekends and there is a nice stage/covered pavillion area
> there.
>
> He was one of the big movers and shakers of the Telluride Jazz Festival
for
> many years He was talking to Winton and Ellis Marsalis earlier today and
> they are setting up a foundation to help the flood victims. He asked me if
I
> would give him a hand putting this together.
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> Of course, since I'm a redneck ***hole, I told him to **** off...........
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> ;oP
> '
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> '.............but seriously folks......... I've got an experienced and
very
> good sound man with a nice A & H board who has tentavily committed to
this.
> and it looks like this will be coming
> together either on the afternoon of the 25th (a Sunday) or the next
> weekend..
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> All gate proceeds will be donated to this Marsalis foundation. If any of
you
> jazz musicians are interested and would be able to come and donate your
> time, (or if any Parisites would just like to attend), I'll put you up
here
> and feed you and we can have some fun.
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> Send me an e-mail at animix@animas.net or give me a call at 970-375-7081.
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>my old mac g4 died that I run my second paris sytem on anyone KNOW A good
mac guy in boston area? Its real dead cant get a recovery to work and moniter
stays blank.Yeah, but their shit looks good, don't it? How cares how it sounds, as long
as it looks good in your rack!
This stuff is designed to be sold at GC.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>http://www.record-producer.com/learn.cfm?a=2838
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Larry Upton <lupton@kpbs.org> wrote:
>>Also be aware that your output level will be reduced 6dB
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>Yes good point. I'll have to keep that in mind.
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>Cheers,
>Kim.
Most engineers consider this AES article to represent the current standard
on this issue.
I recommend purchasing it from AES. Publications will be available at the
October show in NY.
I am lifting a small portion without permission:
[1] B. Whitlock, "Balanced Lines in Audio - Fact,
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| Re: Balanced preamps driving non-balanced devices. [message #58362 is a reply to message #58360] |
Tue, 20 September 2005 16:41 |
Larry Upton
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43, No 6, June,
1995.
“Connecting a balanced output to an unbalanced input is much more problematic.
Balanced equipment uses a wide variety of output circuits. The type shown
in Figure 2A and Figure 2B can be damaged when one output is grounded. Others,
including most popular servo-balanced output stages, may become unstable
and oscillate or produce distortion unless one output is grounded right at
the driver. But such a ground, along with the existing one at the unbalanced
input, simply reduces the interface to a completely unbalanced one. Therefore,
all benefit of the balanced output is negated. That's why an external ground
isolator transformer, such as the one shown in Figure 2A, is a foolproof
method: It works with any kind of balanced or unbalanced output.”
____________________________________________
As pointed out, using a transformer is almost always considered the best
option, however like most people working in the real world, I have frequently
used the methods we are discussing. I have also seen opamps and power supplies
fried from inappropriate strapping to ground.
Gene
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| Re: Balanced preamps driving non-balanced devices. [message #58373 is a reply to message #58362] |
Tue, 20 September 2005 21:05 |
gene lennon
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---=_linux4330dbff--"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>P.S. Actually the schematic has an obvious error,
The inputs on the left both go to positive, whereas one should be positive
and the other negative to create the opposing components of the balanced
signal?
Cheers,
Kim."gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>As pointed out, using a transformer is almost always considered the best
>option
I've had a further think about it and found another peice of gear among my
collection which I can use, and would rather use, for this purpose, which,
far as I can tell from the manual, is happy to have half the balanced output
strapped to ground...
....mind you it is a Behringer, so it's liable to blow up either way...
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.Anybody know a good cheap model? I'm after a wireless headset microphone.
I mean obviously to a degree you get what you pay for, but I'm not super
concerned about sound quality as there wont be that much in the way of vocals.
Obviously headset mics are average in any case. A lot of the purpose of it
will be for use with a vocoder though, so exact tonal quality isn't going
to come through anyhow.
Any ideas?
Cheers,
Kim.Rich,
This thing was planned rather haphazardly and on short notice. Up until this
afternoon, it was a no-go because of previous commitments by various
musicians and the sound crews were all committed elsewhere until the 2nd
week of October. There is a very abbreviated 3-4 hour show happening at the
Trimble Hot Springs on the 25th with a few local acts. I just found out
about it about 5:00 PM and I have no idea who is doing sound or what
equipment is even going to be available. It certainly won't be on the scale
that was originally planned. I'm thinking that there may be another larger
effort in mid October though. If this happens, I'll post up here.
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:4330cd06$1@linux...
> DJ, so where is this being held?
>
> Man count thy days,
> and if perchance they fly too fast,
> for thy dull thoughts to count,
> count every day thy last.
>
> Henton Londini - Anno Dom 1605
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> news:4328e30b@linux...
> > My friend, Rudy Bear, came by here today. Rudy owns Trimble Hot Springs
> > across the street from my house. He usually has weekend jazz concerts at
> the
> > Springs on the weekends and there is a nice stage/covered pavillion area
> > there.
> >
> > He was one of the big movers and shakers of the Telluride Jazz Festival
> for
> > many years He was talking to Winton and Ellis Marsalis earlier today
and
> > they are setting up a foundation to help the flood victims. He asked me
if
> I
> > would give him a hand putting this together.
> >
> > Of course, since I'm a redneck ***hole, I told him to ****
off...........
> >
> > ;oP
> > '
> > '
> > '
> > '
> > '
> > '
> > '.............but seriously folks......... I've got an experienced and
> very
> > good sound man with a nice A & H board who has tentavily committed to
> this.
> > and it looks like this will be coming
> > together either on the afternoon of the 25th (a Sunday) or the next
> > weekend..
> >
> > All gate proceeds will be donated to this Marsalis foundation. If any of
> you
> > jazz musicians are interested and would be able to come and donate your
> > time, (or if any Parisites would just like to attend), I'll put you up
> here
> > and feed you and we can have some fun.
> >
> > Send me an e-mail at animix@animas.net or give me a call at
970-375-7081.
> >
> >
> >
>
>unless your apple care (if any) is still valid i'd shop ebay for a
used one.
On 21 Sep 2005 13:14:52 +1000, "jim phillips" <jmp@ncounty.net> wrote:
>
>my old mac g4 died that I run my second paris sytem on anyone KNOW A good
>mac guy in boston area? Its real dead cant get a recovery to work and moniter
>stays blank.
>yay for the local pc shop. glad you're back up
John
Pete Ruthenburg wrote:
> Thanks for the advice everyone on my computer problems.
>
> After installing a new power supply with no change I took it to
> my local PC shop.Turns out the processor is dead.Thats lame but
> also its still under warranty so EastCoast should be able to
> change it out no problem.I guess its kinda weird for a 1 1/2 year
> old processor to go dead;comps,you gotta love 'em.
>
> Anyway now I can get my money back from the power supply I just
> bought since I just got a MAGMA 13 slot;now I'm running with the
> big boys.
>
> Anyway thanks again,
> Peteand run the temperature software if your MB has some
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Pete, check that your fan and cooling system is ok, you very well may have
> fried it with a slow/seized cooling fan.
> AA
>
>
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4330700f$1@linux...
>
>>Thanks for the advice everyone on my computer problems.
>>
>>After installing a new power supply with no change I took it to
>>my local PC shop.Turns out the processor is dead.Thats lame but
>>also its still under warranty so EastCoast should be able to
>>change it out no problem.I guess its kinda weird for a 1 1/2 year
>>old processor to go dead;comps,you gotta love 'em.
>>
>>Anyway now I can get my money back from the power supply I just
>>bought since I just got a MAGMA 13 slot;now I'm running with the
>>big boys.
>>
>>Anyway thanks again,
>>Pete
>
>
>Isn't it the Studio Projects mic pre that has a tube which you
can add/blend into the signal chain in varying degrees? That
sounds like a better way to go if one is looking for a low-cost
preamp with a tube option... at least that way if the solid-
state portion of it is pretty clean, you've got that going for
you, and you can add in however much "ToOb" effect you want.
Heck, Drawmer even has one like that IIRC (but I don't know if
that one is a starved-plate design or not).
You know, I used to think that it was tubes that lent warmth,
but I recall a conversation on r.a.p. wherein Fletcher was
saying that it wasn't the tubes themselves, but rather the
transformers ("what you want is a big hunk of iron in there",
is how he put it), and at this stage, I would tend to agree...
for example, I have a Chandler TG2 pre, and that's not tube,
but it does have x-formers, and that thing does indeed have
plenty of warmth (along with a really nice high end, too, BTW).
One day it'd be nice to be able to quantify "warmth"... I mean
we all know it when we hear it, but what is it, really? Is it a
certain kind of distortion in the low-mids? Is it a slight low-
mid bump with a teensy-tiny little bit of high-end sizzle?
(personally, I'm leaning towards this one) Or is there a
certain narrow frequency range or combination of ranges that if
there's enough content in there relative to the rest of the
spectrum, we perceive it as being "warm-sounding"? (this one's
less likely, because if that were the case, you could EQ in
however much "warmth" you wanted). Like I said, myself, I'm
leaning towards the 2nd example... if you have Howard Stern on
the air in your market (not that I'm a fan of his, but this is
a good example of what I'm talking about) I think his
voice/signal chain is a good example of "warmth" - check it out
sometime if you're not familiar with the sound, or just tune
into his cable show... it's pretty much the same as long as you
have a decent set of speakers on your TV. It's got a bump in
the lows/low-mids, and there's a slight high-end sheen that
could even be described as a very mild "sizzle" (but not too
much). The other people on his show don't sound like that, so
it's him or his particular signal chain, or a combination of
the two. The lower end of his tone isn't all about proximity
effect, either, because even when he's not right on top of the
mic, you still hear that "thing" I'm talking about.
Your thoughts?
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Yeh........the starved plate thing. I did own a DBX compressor a while back
>that used a tube circuit in this way to extr
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