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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87231 is a reply to message #87230] |
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(Yikes..my spelling is getting better and better)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4681d8df@linux...
> Hi La Mont,
>
> Responses/comments below..........
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46803863@linux...
>>
>> DJ,
>> I would not expect you or many other whites to understand the plight of
>> the
>> Black america.. You stated" Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders"
>> along with
>> the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>> the
>>
>> ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>> on
>> "the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>> Kennedy
>>
>> and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's."
>>
>> That system 'welfare' bythe way still has many more whites than blacks on
>> payroll..
>
> whites outnumber blacks in this country 10:1 so that would be expected,
> but I'm not talk in strictly about blacks or other races here. I think the
> blacks in this count were sold a bill of good by the white liberal power
> structure in order to insure that they had a dependable voting base.
>
>> Due to the in-herited racism that's plagued this country , blacks needed
>> help..
>>
>
> I agree with you.
>
>> Again, I would not expecpt you to under stand that, not being Black..
>> My sister and I come from humble beginnings. Long story short, we are
>> what
>> you would call up-wardly mobile African Americans..Highly educated(can't
>> type-smile) and make a really good living..
>
> I believe you. 99% of the folks I know and hang with who happen to be in
> the minority racial profile are of similar background. They have an level
> of acumen that has allowed them to see past the BS..
>
>>
>> I've been in coporate america since 1984 and nothing has changed for
>> Blacks
>> since.. Yes, you can find some of us on the Ball fields..But, as a hiring
>> manager, the numbers just are not there. There is a 'Glass" stone cieling
>> for us in corporate america.. I could go on andon.. But, the Bottom line
>> is this, the media today would even try to discredit Martin Luther King
>> Jr
>> if he were alive today. Saying that he's a Poverty pimp..Some people
>> really
>> do ned a helping hand.
>
> I agree with you again, but that is changing, I do see distrust and
> resentment among whites when someone of racial minority is appointed to an
> administrative position where they have hire/fire capabilities over
> whites. I also see this when blacks have hire/fire power over hispanics
> and vice versa. I believe that one reason for this is, based on my
> experience, is that those in power tend to surround themselves with people
> whom they consider to be culturally simpatico.
>
>>
>> Whites say..Go out and get a job Black man..Well, If the Job(s) are in a
>> White Suburb, well, that Black man will be harrassed to no end by the
>> local
>> Police ,making it hard just to pick up an application..
>
> I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
> the same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities
> so that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
> the whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right
> to some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public
> schools often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a
> welfare system has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family
> unit". this seems to have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate
> numbers and that, my friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his
> boys". You don't see inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at
> Hyannis do you? You didn't see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in
> DC, did you?
>
> Part of the system has been admitedly culturally unfriendly to those who
> do not play by it's rules. Those rules demand conformity. Even
> non-conformist whites are left on the outside, but not to the degree that
> the racial minorities are. However, if someone who is of racial minority
> proves themself within this crucible, they gain respece and "equality".
> Why???....because they are considered part of the solution.
>
>>
>> You all seem to think that after the turbulent 60's (civil rights) that
>> things
>> were alright for the Blacks.. They were not.. Just like they were not
>> after
>> the Ciivil War...The KKK and other hate groups re-surfaced just like
>> after
>> the Civil war.. Why??
>
> "We all" don't think that at all. I have lived in situations where I was
> in the racial minority and refused to accept "the system" that worked for
> those of the majority and I was treated like shit and thrown in jail. I
> know a bit about this myself.
>>
>> Is there still racism in America??
>
> Yes....and it's not just practiced by whites.
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote in message news:467f4a21$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Dj, Come one.. Chris is right. This whole bring me you tired..blah
>>>> blah..
>>>> it seems..is only for Europeans..
>>>>
>>>I disagree. I believe it is meant for those who are willing to abide by
>> the
>>>laws of this country, accept the economic model of this country, learn
>>>the
>>
>>>common language of this country so that they can understand the laws and
>>
>>>thrive within the economic model.
>>>
>>>> Many many other people for around this glob would love to become
>>>> american
>>>> citizens. But, because of politics, they (US Gov )try to keep a certain
>>
>>>> ethic
>>>> group numbers down..
>>>
>>>No, I think it is because it has become necessary to accept people now
>>>who
>>
>>>can and are willing to assimilate here rather than to insulate themselves
>>
>>>into a culturally insular ghetto and try to recreate their old life and
>>
>>>society here in a new country. It's a normal thing to do at first, but
>>>nowadays, there is less emphqasis on becoming "American" and more
>>>emphasis
>>
>>>on taking what America has to offer while refusing to honor it's existing
>>
>>>laws.
>>>>
>>>> Now, in the case of the mexicans , it's a know fact that even with
>>>> immagration
>>>> reform, their numbers would drasticly create another political power
>>>> base.
>>>> In this case, for now, they (mexican/hispanics) would vote
>>>> democratic...
>>>>
>>>Except for the ones who have accepted the economic opportunities and
>>>thrived
>>
>>>and who mostly vote along conservative lines. As the last of the
>>>conservatives are purged from the Democratic party, these folks have
>>>nowhere
>>
>>>to go but the Repulican party. Same thing can be said for other ethnic
>>>groups, including successful, upwardly mobile blacks who have taken off
>> the
>>>victim suit that Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders" along with
>>
>>>the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>>>the
>>
>>>ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>> on
>>>"the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>>Kennedy
>>
>>>and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's.
>>>
>>>> Even more important: The REal reason your president and other s want an
>>
>>>> open
>>>> boarder is because they know that we need to beuild up our armed
>>>> forces.
>>>> Seeing that most americans (Whites, Blacks, Asians) are not volutaring
>> to
>>>> enlist atthe numbers the Gove sees fit to maintain a vital fighting
>>>> army..
>>>>
>>>> Teedy Kennedy today just spoke on George Steponaplis show stating that
>>
>>>> very
>>>> thing...."The new bill states that in order to become a citizen a
>>>> imagrant
>>>> must "first server in the armed" forces..Then, after they have serverd
>> ,
>>>> they become citizens.
>>>
>>>This has always been the fast track to citizenship, not just recently.
>>>Another hing you're missing is that we are not forcing anyone o do
>>>anything.
>>
>>>there are requirements for for becoming a citizen here. The first one
>>>should
>>
>>>be to obey the laws and not cross the border illegally.
>>>>
>>>> This is what they (US Gov) wanted from the start..TTo build up the
>>>> armed
>>>> forces with the ultra poor.. Seeing that that the only ethic group who
>> are
>>>> volutaring they services these days are your poor to middle poor
>>>> whites..
>>>> You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited in
>> the
>>>> Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their
>>
>>>> sons
>>>> to war.. No different today..
>>>> I would not send my son(s) to war in Iraq. Would you?
>>>
>>>These "poor kids" have a pretty high level of education for the most part
>>
>>>LaMont.. I would not send my son anywhere. If he were of age, I would
>>>allow
>>
>>>him to make his own decisions.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:467f2d05$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US goverment..
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this the same US government that runs the same country that these
>>>>>people
>>>>
>>>>>want to immigrate to because it is so evil?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87232 is a reply to message #87228] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 20:31 |
Jamie K
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Aaron Allen wrote:
> If those numbers are on, then that's just pretty stupid of them not to get
> legal, isn't it?
Not necessarily. For example if someone feels they are doing better as
an illegal alien than they'd do where they came from, it doesn't matter
how much better they'd be doing as a legal alien, IF they feel they have
no chance getting in legally. The comparison would only be between what
they see as realistic choices.
> Problems are deeper than that though unfortunately but an
> interesting find you have there none the less. I'm interested in knowing
> more if you have some data?
I was just following one of your links. Looks like it's
AmericanProgress.org and the National Research Council as sources.
> I'm still not sure how an illegal w/o a SSN who
> can't claim status is paying legal wage taxes, and from the rate levels
> they're usually at per hour. Perhaps they've overcompensated the tax leakage
> up the Wal-Mart path to what it pays in fed taxes from purchases by
> illegals?
Perhaps faked ID sets include stolen SS numbers.
> Do you see the math error in that data? We're not talking lawyers and
> doctors here, we're probably talking more like migrant farm workers and the
> dude that cuts your grass once every week or two.
I don't know if the numbers are solid from any of these sources. But
from what I've seen around here, it's not just migrant farm workers.
We're talking people who work long hours in construction. There's money
in that. I think they pay OK in slaughterhouses. Not so much hourly pay
in restaurant work but lots of hours available. Some folks could be
working multiple jobs. Motivated people can make money over time.
> Gonna be a hard sell for me to buy that $80k pay-in overage figure man, I
> have a pretty good grasp of what a hired 'lawn technician' makes since I was
> in that business myself, and what you'd have to put up with on that gig. I
> grew up on a cattle and vegetable farm and lived until a few years ago in a
> highly saturated farm migrant worker town, if that makes any difference on
> my take.
> These days I'm city boy and loving it, heh.
I grew up on a farm also, although a very small one. Now doing the city
thing, too, and like a lot of the aspects but not all. Still love wide
open spaces!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> AA
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:468129a1@linux...
>> Aaron, I'm following your links/sources, this one looks at lifetime tax
>> contributions.
>>
>> "The National Research Council concluded that immigrants will pay on
>> average $80,000 per capita more in taxes than they will use in government
>> services during their lifetimes. The Social Security Administration, for
>> example, estimates that workers without valid social security numbers
>> contribute $7 billion in Social Security tax revenues and roughly $1.5
>> billion in Medicare taxes annually, yet elderly immigrants rarely qualify
>> for Medicare or long-term care services provided through Medicaid."
>>
>> http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/06/reality_check _immigration.html
>>
>> Again, I don't know if these figures are solid, but they paint a different
>> picture.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKruz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>
>>>> /An illegal alien can't have any of the quoted status above. Therefore,
>>>> they don't pay wage taxes unless they have an employer just begging for
>>>> it that reports/pays on them. Not likely, but not impossible I suppose.
>>>> /
>>> According to one of the sites you linked (which largely agrees with you)
>>>
>>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalrelease.html
>>>
>>> illegal aliens pay an average of $4,200 in federal taxes, for a total of
>>> about 16 billion per year.
>>>
>>> So despite the status problem you mention, many illegal aliens DO seem to
>>> be paying federal taxes, and not an insignificant amount.
>>>
>>> That site goes on to claim that illegal aliens are still causing an
>>> average net drain of $2,700 per household. However this is interesting:
>>> they claim that if illegal aliens were made legal, they would have an
>>> average net drain of almost $7,700 per household, almost triple.
>>>
>>> I don't know if those figures are solid, but I believe illegal aliens ARE
>>> contributing to the federal tax system. It would be interesting to know
>>> if those who have been here for a while and have become somewhat
>>> established contribute more on a yearly basis than those who have just
>>> arrived.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is...Idiot.. [message #87238 is a reply to message #87236] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 22:40 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging in
a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
and stick them up your ass!!!
Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like an
Fox-News Network talking point head..
Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
that it's a Mecca of sorts..
Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
you don't know ...
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people from
>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>
>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>hiring
>>>practices?
>>
>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>
>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>
>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>we must lose them...
>>
>>
>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done a
great
>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
for
>>>standing up for us..
>>
>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>do harm.
>>
>>DC
>>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87240 is a reply to message #87230] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 23:22 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hi DJ,
You wrote:
I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
the same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities
so that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
the whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right
to some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
to have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You didn't
see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?"
I see your point: But, I think what's missing, especially today, with the
urban hip-hop community, is that they saw My generation go thru the proper
process of doing what "the system" deemed necessary that a peron o do to
get ahead in America.. Well, they saw get our Degrees but, they also saw
and heard the frustrations that we encountered wih corporate america..
Subsusquentaliy, they (GenX & now Gen Now)african americans do no really
buy into the so-called system. They view it as rigged. More about "who you
know", then What you know..They see corporate america as the ultimate "Set
Aside" program there is. Set asides not for them , but for others..
Who can blame them? I have 2 in college now, with my son(U of M) graduating
next spring. My Daughter is a sophmore @ Columbia. It ahs been very dificault
for thier mom and me to convience them that gettign their degrees is very
good choice. They have a real disdain for corporate america seeing wha heir
parens have gone thru in the past 24 years..
I said all that to say. You have guys like Ice-cube, Dr Dre, who from good
homes, but did not want to go thru mainstram way that they saw their parents
go thru.
Blacks in america no longer want to second -class citizens. But, they do
not trust or want to play the rigged(america) game either..
All in all, right now, I would say that we, the African Americns are lost.
Searching for and identity .Because everytime we have tried to "assimulate"
we were not welcomed..
So, you the gov ask us to go to war, there is almost a 95 percent resounding
answer of no. Why?
-We, african americans have fought in every major war since this country
inception, and still enountered bigotry, lynchings, muders, hanging, beatings...etc..
See, in each war, we were promised full cititenship and freedom, and simple
equall american liberties.. We're tlaking from the 1700's to 1964 passage
of the civil rights act.
Then, lets not even talk about the Bussing problems that once again caused
a wide gap in the education btw whites and blacks..
Then the Cia/FBI under hoover decides place to the Black american race under
survalence when it became evident that we would rather die off than to be
subjected to the treatment we getting from america.. Then the CIA dispersed
drugs...Guns....And started these gange called Crips and Bloods..
CIA...Introduce "crack in to the black community in 1984..Then, started imprisioning
the very Drug Junkies they got hooked in the first place.. Get them hook
on drugs...Which removes the fathers from the home...No male role models....Single
family homes...Welfare.......You start getting a clearer picture that's not
widely told no taught..Then by the 80's again the Gov passed the 1 crack
gram =25-30 years, 1 pound of cocaine= 4years tops...
It's easy to see that the junkie (Black) in most cases will be caught with
the 1 gram and the person (usually) white with pound is not punished as hard..So,
you almost have an entire generation in prisoned from the 80's who are serving
25-30 years for possesion of 1 gram of crack!! Is i a coesidence that most
are Black? So, then form the 80's we have black sons and daughters fatherless
whcih equals ruderless, with only the young mom to care for them.. A Spriraling
situation as you can see..
All because Hoover an others deemed that we were a threat..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Hi La Mont,
>
>Responses/comments below..........
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46803863@linux...
>>
>> DJ,
>> I would not expect you or many other whites to understand the plight of
>> the
>> Black america.. You stated" Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders"
>> along with
>> the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
the
>>
>> ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>> on
>> "the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>> Kennedy
>>
>> and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's."
>>
>> That system 'welfare' bythe way still has many more whites than blacks
on
>> payroll..
>
>whites outnumber blacks in this country 10:1 so that would be expected,
but
>I'm not talk in strictly about blacks or other races here. I think the
>blacks in this count were sold a bill of good by the white liberal power
>structure in order to insure that they had a dependable voting base.
>
>> Due to the in-herited racism that's plagued this country , blacks needed
>> help..
>>
>
>I agree with you.
>
>> Again, I would not expecpt you to under stand that, not being Black..
>> My sister and I come from humble beginnings. Long story short, we are
what
>> you would call up-wardly mobile African Americans..Highly educated(can't
>> type-smile) and make a really good living..
>
>I believe you. 99% of the folks I know and hang with who happen to be in
the
>minority racial profile are of similar background. They have an level of
>acumen that has allowed them to see past the BS..
>
>>
>> I've been in coporate america since 1984 and nothing has changed for
>> Blacks
>> since.. Yes, you can find some of us on the Ball fields..But, as a hiring
>> manager, the numbers just are not there. There is a 'Glass" stone cieling
>> for us in corporate america.. I could go on andon.. But, the Bottom line
>> is this, the media today would even try to discredit Martin Luther King
Jr
>> if he were alive today. Saying that he's a Poverty pimp..Some people
>> really
>> do ned a helping hand.
>
>I agree with you again, but that is changing, I do see distrust and
>resentment among whites when someone of racial minority is appointed to
an
>administrative position where they have hire/fire capabilities over whites.
>I also see this when blacks have hire/fire power over hispanics and vice
>versa. I believe that one reason for this is, based on my experience, is
>that those in power tend to surround themselves with people whom they
>consider to be culturally simpatico.
>
>>
>> Whites say..Go out and get a job Black man..Well, If the Job(s) are in
a
>> White Suburb, well, that Black man will be harrassed to no end by the
>> local
>> Police ,making it hard just to pick up an application..
>
>I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
the
>same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities so
>that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
the
>whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right to
>some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
>often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
>has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
to
>have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
>friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
>inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You
>didn't see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?
>
>Part of the system has been admitedly culturally unfriendly to those who
do
>not play by it's rules. Those rules demand conformity. Even non-conformist
>whites are left on the outside, but not to the degree that the racial
>minorities are. However, if someone who is of racial minority proves
>themself within this crucible, they gain respece and "equality".
>Why???....because they are considered part of the solution.
>
>>
>> You all seem to think that after the turbulent 60's (civil rights) that
>> things
>> were alright for the Blacks.. They were not.. Just like they were not
>> after
>> the Ciivil War...The KKK and other hate groups re-surfaced just like after
>> the Civil war.. Why??
>
>"We all" don't think that at all. I have lived in situations where I was
in
>the racial minority and refused to accept "the system" that worked for those
>of the majority and I was treated like shit and thrown in jail. I know a
bit
>about this myself.
>>
>> Is there still racism in America??
>
>Yes....and it's not just practiced by whites.
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote in message news:467f4a21$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Dj, Come one.. Chris is right. This whole bring me you tired..blah
>>>> blah..
>>>> it seems..is only for Europeans..
>>>>
>>>I disagree. I believe it is meant for those who are willing to abide by
>> the
>>>laws of this country, accept the economic model of this country, learn
the
>>
>>>common language of this country so that they can understand the laws and
>>
>>>thrive within the economic model.
>>>
>>>> Many many other people for around this glob would love to become
>>>> american
>>>> citizens. But, because of politics, they (US Gov )try to keep a certain
>>
>>>> ethic
>>>> group numbers down..
>>>
>>>No, I think it is because it has become necessary to accept people now
who
>>
>>>can and are willing to assimilate here rather than to insulate themselves
>>
>>>into a culturally insular ghetto and try to recreate their old life and
>>
>>>society here in a new country. It's a normal thing to do at first, but
>>>nowadays, there is less emphqasis on becoming "American" and more emphasis
>>
>>>on taking what America has to offer while refusing to honor it's existing
>>
>>>laws.
>>>>
>>>> Now, in the case of the mexicans , it's a know fact that even with
>>>> immagration
>>>> reform, their numbers would drasticly create another political power
>>>> base.
>>>> In this case, for now, they (mexican/hispanics) would vote democratic...
>>>>
>>>Except for the ones who have accepted the economic opportunities and
>>>thrived
>>
>>>and who mostly vote along conservative lines. As the last of the
>>>conservatives are purged from the Democratic party, these folks have
>>>nowhere
>>
>>>to go but the Repulican party. Same thing can be said for other ethnic
>>>groups, including successful, upwardly mobile blacks who have taken off
>> the
>>>victim suit that Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders" along with
>>
>>>the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
the
>>
>>>ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>> on
>>>"the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>>Kennedy
>>
>>>and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's.
>>>
>>>> Even more important: The REal reason your president and other s want
an
>>
>>>> open
>>>> boarder is because they know that we need to beuild up our armed forces.
>>>> Seeing that most americans (Whites, Blacks, Asians) are not volutaring
>> to
>>>> enlist atthe numbers the Gove sees fit to maintain a vital fighting
>>>> army..
>>>>
>>>> Teedy Kennedy today just spoke on George Steponaplis show stating that
>>
>>>> very
>>>> thing...."The new bill states that in order to become a citizen a
>>>> imagrant
>>>> must "first server in the armed" forces..Then, after they have serverd
>> ,
>>>> they become citizens.
>>>
>>>This has always been the fast track to citizenship, not just recently.
>>>Another hing you're missing is that we are not forcing anyone o do
>>>anything.
>>
>>>there are requirements for for becoming a citizen here. The first one
>>>should
>>
>>>be to obey the laws and not cross the border illegally.
>>>>
>>>> This is what they (US Gov) wanted from the start..TTo build up the armed
>>>> forces with the ultra poor.. Seeing that that the only ethic group who
>> are
>>>> volutaring they services these days are your poor to middle poor
>>>> whites..
>>>> You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited in
>> the
>>>> Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their
>>
>>>> sons
>>>> to war.. No different today..
>>>> I would not send my son(s) to war in Iraq. Would you?
>>>
>>>These "poor kids" have a pretty high level of education for the most part
>>
>>>LaMont.. I would not send my son anywhere. If he were of age, I would
>>>allow
>>
>>>him to make his own decisions.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:467f2d05$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US goverment..
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this the same US government that runs the same country that these
>>>>>people
>>>>
>>>>>want to immigrate to because it is so evil?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87241 is a reply to message #87240] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 23:27 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
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Sorry for the typos..:)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hi DJ,
>You wrote:
>I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
>the same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities
>so that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
>the whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right
>to some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
>often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
>has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
>to have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
>friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
>inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You didn't
>see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?"
>
>I see your point: But, I think what's missing, especially today, with the
>urban hip-hop community, is that they saw My generation go thru the proper
>process of doing what "the system" deemed necessary that a peron o do to
>get ahead in America.. Well, they saw get our Degrees but, they also saw
>and heard the frustrations that we encountered wih corporate america..
>
>Subsusquentaliy, they (GenX & now Gen Now)african americans do no really
>buy into the so-called system. They view it as rigged. More about "who you
>know", then What you know..They see corporate america as the ultimate "Set
>Aside" program there is. Set asides not for them , but for others..
>
>Who can blame them? I have 2 in college now, with my son(U of M) graduating
>next spring. My Daughter is a sophmore @ Columbia. It ahs been very dificault
>for thier mom and me to convience them that gettign their degrees is very
>good choice. They have a real disdain for corporate america seeing wha heir
>parens have gone thru in the past 24 years..
>
>I said all that to say. You have guys like Ice-cube, Dr Dre, who from good
>homes, but did not want to go thru mainstram way that they saw their parents
>go thru.
>Blacks in america no longer want to second -class citizens. But, they do
>not trust or want to play the rigged(america) game either..
>All in all, right now, I would say that we, the African Americns are lost.
>Searching for and identity .Because everytime we have tried to "assimulate"
>we were not welcomed..
>
>So, you the gov ask us to go to war, there is almost a 95 percent resounding
>answer of no. Why?
>
>-We, african americans have fought in every major war since this country
>inception, and still enountered bigotry, lynchings, muders, hanging, beatings...etc..
>
>See, in each war, we were promised full cititenship and freedom, and simple
>equall american liberties.. We're tlaking from the 1700's to 1964 passage
>of the civil rights act.
>
>Then, lets not even talk about the Bussing problems that once again caused
>a wide gap in the education btw whites and blacks..
>
>Then the Cia/FBI under hoover decides place to the Black american race under
>survalence when it became evident that we would rather die off than to be
>subjected to the treatment we getting from america.. Then the CIA dispersed
>drugs...Guns....And started these gange called Crips and Bloods..
>
>CIA...Introduce "crack in to the black community in 1984..Then, started
imprisioning
>the very Drug Junkies they got hooked in the first place.. Get them hook
>on drugs...Which removes the fathers from the home...No male role models....Single
>family homes...Welfare.......You start getting a clearer picture that's
not
>widely told no taught..Then by the 80's again the Gov passed the 1 crack
>gram =25-30 years, 1 pound of cocaine= 4years tops...
>
>It's easy to see that the junkie (Black) in most cases will be caught with
>the 1 gram and the person (usually) white with pound is not punished as
hard..So,
>you almost have an entire generation in prisoned from the 80's who are serving
>25-30 years for possesion of 1 gram of crack!! Is i a coesidence that most
>are Black? So, then form the 80's we have black sons and daughters fatherless
>whcih equals ruderless, with only the young mom to care for them.. A Spriraling
>situation as you can see..
>
>
>
>All because Hoover an others deemed that we were a threat..
>
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Hi La Mont,
>>
>>Responses/comments below..........
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46803863@linux...
>>>
>>> DJ,
>>> I would not expect you or many other whites to understand the plight
of
>
>>> the
>>> Black america.. You stated" Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders"
>>> along with
>>> the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>the
>>>
>>> ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist"
sign
>>> on
>>> "the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>> Kennedy
>>>
>>> and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's."
>>>
>>> That system 'welfare' bythe way still has many more whites than blacks
>on
>>> payroll..
>>
>>whites outnumber blacks in this country 10:1 so that would be expected,
>but
>>I'm not talk in strictly about blacks or other races here. I think the
>>blacks in this count were sold a bill of good by the white liberal power
>
>>structure in order to insure that they had a dependable voting base.
>>
>>> Due to the in-herited racism that's plagued this country , blacks needed
>>> help..
>>>
>>
>>I agree with you.
>>
>>> Again, I would not expecpt you to under stand that, not being Black..
>>> My sister and I come from humble beginnings. Long story short, we are
>what
>>> you would call up-wardly mobile African Americans..Highly educated(can't
>>> type-smile) and make a really good living..
>>
>>I believe you. 99% of the folks I know and hang with who happen to be in
>the
>>minority racial profile are of similar background. They have an level
of
>
>>acumen that has allowed them to see past the BS..
>>
>>>
>>> I've been in coporate america since 1984 and nothing has changed for
>>> Blacks
>>> since.. Yes, you can find some of us on the Ball fields..But, as a hiring
>>> manager, the numbers just are not there. There is a 'Glass" stone cieling
>>> for us in corporate america.. I could go on andon.. But, the Bottom line
>>> is this, the media today would even try to discredit Martin Luther King
>Jr
>>> if he were alive today. Saying that he's a Poverty pimp..Some people
>>> really
>>> do ned a helping hand.
>>
>>I agree with you again, but that is changing, I do see distrust and
>>resentment among whites when someone of racial minority is appointed to
>an
>>administrative position where they have hire/fire capabilities over whites.
>
>>I also see this when blacks have hire/fire power over hispanics and vice
>
>>versa. I believe that one reason for this is, based on my experience, is
>
>>that those in power tend to surround themselves with people whom they
>>consider to be culturally simpatico.
>>
>>>
>>> Whites say..Go out and get a job Black man..Well, If the Job(s) are in
>a
>>> White Suburb, well, that Black man will be harrassed to no end by the
>
>>> local
>>> Police ,making it hard just to pick up an application..
>>
>>I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
>the
>>same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities
so
>
>>that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
>the
>>whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right to
>
>>some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
>
>>often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
>
>>has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
>to
>>have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
>>friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
>
>>inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You
>>didn't see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?
>>
>>Part of the system has been admitedly culturally unfriendly to those who
>do
>>not play by it's rules. Those rules demand conformity. Even non-conformist
>
>>whites are left on the outside, but not to the degree that the racial
>>minorities are. However, if someone who is of racial minority proves
>>themself within this crucible, they gain respece and "equality".
>>Why???....because they are considered part of the solution.
>>
>>>
>>> You all seem to think that after the turbulent 60's (civil rights) that
>
>>> things
>>> were alright for the Blacks.. They were not.. Just like they were not
>
>>> after
>>> the Ciivil War...The KKK and other hate groups re-surfaced just like
after
>>> the Civil war.. Why??
>>
>>"We all" don't think that at all. I have lived in situations where I was
>in
>>the racial minority and refused to accept "the system" that worked for
those
>
>>of the majority and I was treated like shit and thrown in jail. I know
a
>bit
>>about this myself.
>>>
>>> Is there still racism in America??
>>
>>Yes....and it's not just practiced by whites.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote in message news:467f4a21$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dj, Come one.. Chris is right. This whole bring me you tired..blah
>>>>> blah..
>>>>> it seems..is only for Europeans..
>>>>>
>>>>I disagree. I believe it is meant for those who are willing to abide
by
>>> the
>>>>laws of this country, accept the economic model of this country, learn
>the
>>>
>>>>common language of this country so that they can understand the laws
and
>>>
>>>>thrive within the economic model.
>>>>
>>>>> Many many other people for around this glob would love to become
>>>>> american
>>>>> citizens. But, because of politics, they (US Gov )try to keep a certain
>>>
>>>>> ethic
>>>>> group numbers down..
>>>>
>>>>No, I think it is because it has become necessary to accept people now
>who
>>>
>>>>can and are willing to assimilate here rather than to insulate themselves
>>>
>>>>into a culturally insular ghetto and try to recreate their old life and
>>>
>>>>society here in a new country. It's a normal thing to do at first, but
>>>>nowadays, there is less emphqasis on becoming "American" and more emphasis
>>>
>>>>on taking what America has to offer while refusing to honor it's existing
>>>
>>>>laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, in the case of the mexicans , it's a know fact that even with
>>>>> immagration
>>>>> reform, their numbers would drasticly create another political power
>
>>>>> base.
>>>>> In this case, for now, they (mexican/hispanics) would vote democratic...
>>>>>
>>>>Except for the ones who have accepted the economic opportunities and
>>>>thrived
>>>
>>>>and who mostly vote along conservative lines. As the last of the
>>>>conservatives are purged from the Democratic party, these folks have
>>>>nowhere
>>>
>>>>to go but the Repulican party. Same thing can be said for other ethnic
>>>>groups, including successful, upwardly mobile blacks who have taken off
>>> the
>>>>victim suit that Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders" along
with
>>>
>>>>the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>the
>>>
>>>>ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist"
sign
>>> on
>>>>"the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>>>Kennedy
>>>
>>>>and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's.
>>>>
>>>>> Even more important: The REal reason your president and other s want
>an
>>>
>>>>> open
>>>>> boarder is because they know that we need to beuild up our armed forces.
>>>>> Seeing that most americans (Whites, Blacks, Asians) are not volutaring
>>> to
>>>>> enlist atthe numbers the Gove sees fit to maintain a vital fighting
>
>>>>> army..
>>>>>
>>>>> Teedy Kennedy today just spoke on George Steponaplis show stating that
>>>
>>>>> very
>>>>> thing...."The new bill states that in order to become a citizen a
>>>>> imagrant
>>>>> must "first server in the armed" forces..Then, after they have serverd
>>> ,
>>>>> they become citizens.
>>>>
>>>>This has always been the fast track to citizenship, not just recently.
>>>>Another hing you're missing is that we are not forcing anyone o do
>>>>anything.
>>>
>>>>there are requirements for for becoming a citizen here. The first one
>
>>>>should
>>>
>>>>be to obey the laws and not cross the border illegally.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what they (US Gov) wanted from the start..TTo build up the
armed
>>>>> forces with the ultra poor.. Seeing that that the only ethic group
who
>>> are
>>>>> volutaring they services these days are your poor to middle poor
>>>>> whites..
>>>>> You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited
in
>>> the
>>>>> Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their
>>>
>>>>> sons
>>>>> to war.. No different today..
>>>>> I would not send my son(s) to war in Iraq. Would you?
>>>>
>>>>These "poor kids" have a pretty high level of education for the most
part
>>>
>>>>LaMont.. I would not send my son anywhere. If he were of age, I would
>
>>>>allow
>>>
>>>>him to make his own decisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:467f2d05$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US goverment..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this the same US government that runs the same country that these
>>>>>>people
>>>>>
>>>>>>want to immigrate to because it is so evil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is... [message #87242 is a reply to message #87238] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 23:34 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Lamont, I live every day as a minority... where I live, the
population is about 70% Hispanic. So since I can (and do) live
as a minority, I guess based on your criteria I'm qualified to
chime in:
1.) If you're poor in this country, you get free healthcare...
period. Yeah it sucks that you have to sit in an ER waiting
room to get it, but said poor person also doens't get $5k's
worth of bills like us "rich" people do when their daughter has
to go in for an appendectomy, or tonsilectomy, or knee surgery
from a volleyball injury (yeah it's one of those sports
us "rich" people get their girls into in school - you know, the
ones where us "rich" people have to pay for uniforms & separate
sports insurance & stuff, while the "poor" people get those fees
waived... another way of saying "you 'rich' people are paying
for the poor people's kid's uniforms, too" What - you think the
school district absorbed those costs? LOL!!!). So even
though I've been fortunate enough to have decent insurance,
I've also paid into a LOT of deductible's & "20% patient
portions" over the years, too. Is it better than no insurance
at all? Yes, I will admit that it is. Is it cheaper than being
able to get free healthcare if you go into an ER as a person
who has no ability to pay? FUCK No!
This has no boundary - you can be black, white, asian,
hispanic, paisley... just because you cannot pay, a hospital
cannot deny you essential care.
2.1) I know of no "United White Persons College Fund", or
"Chevron White Persons College Scholarship Program", or any
type of government or corporate charitable tuition-related
assistance available to anyone other than a.) those that can
demonstrate true need, and b.) Those for African-Americans &
Hispanics & maybe a scant few for Asians.
2.2) I also know of NO government-mandated programs that audit
businesses to make sure they have an adequate amount of white
folk working for them. This all means that the educational &
employment opportunities for minorities are vastly superior
to those available to "non-minorities" (essentially: "anyone
who is white"). So why are you playing the race card?
And don't play the "400 years of opression!" thing at me,
either, because if it wasn't for your own brethren in the Ivory
Coast kidnapping & selling your ancestors off to whomever
wanted to buy them, there wouldn't have been a slave trade to
begin with.
Man - really getting tired of being blamed for every fucking
evil in the western hemisphere!!!
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging in
>a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
>You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
>and stick them up your ass!!!
>
>Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
>you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like
an
>Fox-News Network talking point head..
>
>Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
>that it's a Mecca of sorts..
>Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
>tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
>you don't know ...
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people from
>>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>>
>>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>>hiring
>>>>practices?
>>>
>>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>>
>>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>>
>>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>>we must lose them...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done a
>great
>>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
>for
>>>>standing up for us..
>>>
>>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>>do harm.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87243 is a reply to message #87240] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 23:30 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
|
Senior Member |
|
|
LaMont
Just so you know, as far as I know I am no relation of the Hoover in you
writing below.
:-)
Jeff
wrote:
> Hi DJ,
> You wrote:
> I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
> the same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities
> so that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
> the whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right
> to some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
> often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
> has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
> to have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
> friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
> inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You didn't
> see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?"
>
> I see your point: But, I think what's missing, especially today, with the
> urban hip-hop community, is that they saw My generation go thru the proper
> process of doing what "the system" deemed necessary that a peron o do to
> get ahead in America.. Well, they saw get our Degrees but, they also saw
> and heard the frustrations that we encountered wih corporate america..
>
> Subsusquentaliy, they (GenX & now Gen Now)african americans do no really
> buy into the so-called system. They view it as rigged. More about "who you
> know", then What you know..They see corporate america as the ultimate "Set
> Aside" program there is. Set asides not for them , but for others..
>
> Who can blame them? I have 2 in college now, with my son(U of M) graduating
> next spring. My Daughter is a sophmore @ Columbia. It ahs been very dificault
> for thier mom and me to convience them that gettign their degrees is very
> good choice. They have a real disdain for corporate america seeing wha heir
> parens have gone thru in the past 24 years..
>
> I said all that to say. You have guys like Ice-cube, Dr Dre, who from good
> homes, but did not want to go thru mainstram way that they saw their parents
> go thru.
> Blacks in america no longer want to second -class citizens. But, they do
> not trust or want to play the rigged(america) game either..
> All in all, right now, I would say that we, the African Americns are lost.
> Searching for and identity .Because everytime we have tried to "assimulate"
> we were not welcomed..
>
> So, you the gov ask us to go to war, there is almost a 95 percent resounding
> answer of no. Why?
>
> -We, african americans have fought in every major war since this country
> inception, and still enountered bigotry, lynchings, muders, hanging, beatings...etc..
>
> See, in each war, we were promised full cititenship and freedom, and simple
> equall american liberties.. We're tlaking from the 1700's to 1964 passage
> of the civil rights act.
>
> Then, lets not even talk about the Bussing problems that once again caused
> a wide gap in the education btw whites and blacks..
>
> Then the Cia/FBI under hoover decides place to the Black american race under
> survalence when it became evident that we would rather die off than to be
> subjected to the treatment we getting from america.. Then the CIA dispersed
> drugs...Guns....And started these gange called Crips and Bloods..
>
> CIA...Introduce "crack in to the black community in 1984..Then, started imprisioning
> the very Drug Junkies they got hooked in the first place.. Get them hook
> on drugs...Which removes the fathers from the home...No male role models....Single
> family homes...Welfare.......You start getting a clearer picture that's not
> widely told no taught..Then by the 80's again the Gov passed the 1 crack
> gram =25-30 years, 1 pound of cocaine= 4years tops...
>
> It's easy to see that the junkie (Black) in most cases will be caught with
> the 1 gram and the person (usually) white with pound is not punished as hard..So,
> you almost have an entire generation in prisoned from the 80's who are serving
> 25-30 years for possesion of 1 gram of crack!! Is i a coesidence that most
> are Black? So, then form the 80's we have black sons and daughters fatherless
> whcih equals ruderless, with only the young mom to care for them.. A Spriraling
> situation as you can see..
>
>
>
> All because Hoover an others deemed that we were a threat..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi La Mont,
>>
>>Responses/comments below..........
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46803863@linux...
>>
>>>DJ,
>>>I would not expect you or many other whites to understand the plight of
>
>
>>>the
>>>Black america.. You stated" Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders"
>>>along with
>>>the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>
> the
>
>>>ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>>>on
>>>"the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>>Kennedy
>>>
>>>and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's."
>>>
>>>That system 'welfare' bythe way still has many more whites than blacks
>
> on
>
>>>payroll..
>>
>>whites outnumber blacks in this country 10:1 so that would be expected,
>
> but
>
>>I'm not talk in strictly about blacks or other races here. I think the
>>blacks in this count were sold a bill of good by the white liberal power
>
>
>>structure in order to insure that they had a dependable voting base.
>>
>>
>>>Due to the in-herited racism that's plagued this country , blacks needed
>>>help..
>>>
>>
>>I agree with you.
>>
>>
>>>Again, I would not expecpt you to under stand that, not being Black..
>>>My sister and I come from humble beginnings. Long story short, we are
>
> what
>
>>>you would call up-wardly mobile African Americans..Highly educated(can't
>>>type-smile) and make a really good living..
>>
>>I believe you. 99% of the folks I know and hang with who happen to be in
>
> the
>
>>minority racial profile are of similar background. They have an level of
>
>
>>acumen that has allowed them to see past the BS..
>>
>>
>>>I've been in coporate america since 1984 and nothing has changed for
>>>Blacks
>>>since.. Yes, you can find some of us on the Ball fields..But, as a hiring
>>>manager, the numbers just are not there. There is a 'Glass" stone cieling
>>>for us in corporate america.. I could go on andon.. But, the Bottom line
>>>is this, the media today would even try to discredit Martin Luther King
>
> Jr
>
>>>if he were alive today. Saying that he's a Poverty pimp..Some people
>>>really
>>>do ned a helping hand.
>>
>>I agree with you again, but that is changing, I do see distrust and
>>resentment among whites when someone of racial minority is appointed to
>
> an
>
>>administrative position where they have hire/fire capabilities over whites.
>
>
>>I also see this when blacks have hire/fire power over hispanics and vice
>
>
>>versa. I believe that one reason for this is, based on my experience, is
>
>
>>that those in power tend to surround themselves with people whom they
>>consider to be culturally simpatico.
>>
>>
>>>Whites say..Go out and get a job Black man..Well, If the Job(s) are in
>
> a
>
>>>White Suburb, well, that Black man will be harrassed to no end by the
>
>
>>>local
>>>Police ,making it hard just to pick up an application..
>>
>>I think that in the white community there is a mindset that for 40 years
>
> the
>
>>same level of education and opportunity has been offered to minorities so
>
>
>>that they can learn "the system" because the "system" is what works for
>
> the
>
>>whites. You can argue that this is not correct and you would be right to
>
>
>>some degree, but a big part of why is that children in urban public schools
>
>
>>often aren't expected to perform at exceptional levels and a welfare system
>
>
>>has contributed to the utter destruction of the "family unit". this seems
>
> to
>
>>have happened to urban blacks in disproportionate numbers and that, my
>>friend, is in large part due to Ted Kennedy and "his boys". You don't see
>
>
>>inner sity youth invited for a romp on the lwan at Hyannis do you? You
>>didn't see chelsea Clinton attending public schools in DC, did you?
>>
>>Part of the system has been admitedly culturally unfriendly to those who
>
> do
>
>>not play by it's rules. Those rules demand conformity. Even non-conformist
>
>
>>whites are left on the outside, but not to the degree that the racial
>>minorities are. However, if someone who is of racial minority proves
>>themself within this crucible, they gain respece and "equality".
>>Why???....because they are considered part of the solution.
>>
>>
>>>You all seem to think that after the turbulent 60's (civil rights) that
>
>
>>>things
>>>were alright for the Blacks.. They were not.. Just like they were not
>
>
>>>after
>>>the Ciivil War...The KKK and other hate groups re-surfaced just like after
>>>the Civil war.. Why??
>>
>>"We all" don't think that at all. I have lived in situations where I was
>
> in
>
>>the racial minority and refused to accept "the system" that worked for those
>
>
>>of the majority and I was treated like shit and thrown in jail. I know a
>
> bit
>
>>about this myself.
>>
>>>Is there still racism in America??
>>
>>Yes....and it's not just practiced by whites.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote in message news:467f4a21$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Dj, Come one.. Chris is right. This whole bring me you tired..blah
>>>>>blah..
>>>>>it seems..is only for Europeans..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I disagree. I believe it is meant for those who are willing to abide by
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>laws of this country, accept the economic model of this country, learn
>
> the
>
>>>>common language of this country so that they can understand the laws and
>>>
>>>>thrive within the economic model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Many many other people for around this glob would love to become
>>>>>american
>>>>>citizens. But, because of politics, they (US Gov )try to keep a certain
>>>
>>>>>ethic
>>>>>group numbers down..
>>>>
>>>>No, I think it is because it has become necessary to accept people now
>
> who
>
>>>>can and are willing to assimilate here rather than to insulate themselves
>>>
>>>>into a culturally insular ghetto and try to recreate their old life and
>>>
>>>>society here in a new country. It's a normal thing to do at first, but
>>>>nowadays, there is less emphqasis on becoming "American" and more emphasis
>>>
>>>>on taking what America has to offer while refusing to honor it's existing
>>>
>>>>laws.
>>>>
>>>>>Now, in the case of the mexicans , it's a know fact that even with
>>>>>immagration
>>>>>reform, their numbers would drasticly create another political power
>
>
>>>>>base.
>>>>>In this case, for now, they (mexican/hispanics) would vote democratic...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Except for the ones who have accepted the economic opportunities and
>>>>thrived
>>>
>>>>and who mostly vote along conservative lines. As the last of the
>>>>conservatives are purged from the Democratic party, these folks have
>>>>nowhere
>>>
>>>>to go but the Repulican party. Same thing can be said for other ethnic
>>>>groups, including successful, upwardly mobile blacks who have taken off
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>victim suit that Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and other "leaders" along with
>>>
>>>>the white liberal power structure handed them in the 70's and accepted
>
> the
>
>>>>ecomonic model and become successful. If you want to hang a "racist" sign
>>>
>>>on
>>>
>>>>"the government" you should hang it squarely around the neck of Ted
>>>>Kennedy
>>>
>>>>and his "boys" who created the welfare system back in the 60's and 70's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Even more important: The REal reason your president and other s want
>
> an
>
>>>>>open
>>>>>boarder is because they know that we need to beuild up our armed forces.
>>>>>Seeing that most americans (Whites, Blacks, Asians) are not volutaring
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>>>enlist atthe numbers the Gove sees fit to maintain a vital fighting
>
>
>>>>>army..
>>>>>
>>>>>Teedy Kennedy today just spoke on George Steponaplis show stating that
>>>
>>>>>very
>>>>>thing...."The new bill states that in order to become a citizen a
>>>>>imagrant
>>>>>must "first server in the armed" forces..Then, after they have serverd
>>>
>>>,
>>>
>>>>>they become citizens.
>>>>
>>>>This has always been the fast track to citizenship, not just recently.
>>>>Another hing you're missing is that we are not forcing anyone o do
>>>>anything.
>>>
>>>>there are requirements for for becoming a citizen here. The first one
>
>
>>>>should
>>>
>>>>be to obey the laws and not cross the border illegally.
>>>>
>>>>>This is what they (US Gov) wanted from the start..TTo build up the armed
>>>>>forces with the ultra poor.. Seeing that that the only ethic group who
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>volutaring they services these days are your poor to middle poor
>>>>>whites..
>>>>>You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited in
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their
>>>
>>>>>sons
>>>>>to war.. No different today..
>>>>>I would not send my son(s) to war in Iraq. Would you?
>>>>
>>>>These "poor kids" have a pretty high level of education for the most part
>>>
>>>>LaMont.. I would not send my son anywhere. If he were of age, I would
>
>
>>>>allow
>>>
>>>>him to make his own decisions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:467f2d05$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The US goverment..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this the same US government that runs the same country that these
>>>>>>people
>>>>>
>>>>>>want to immigrate to because it is so evil?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is... [message #87244 is a reply to message #87242] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 00:12 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey Neil, I would only say this about the Ivory coast statements:
It did not start with tribal leaders "outing' selling of slave to the slave
traders. Rather, it was an the "Industry" or better, a need for the cheap
labor that prompted the the slave trade..
Those running the slave trade: were the Arabs, Jews, Spaniards..
Now, if you tired of being blamed for as you say "every thing wrong with
western blah blah"....hen I offer you this:
How do you think Blacks feel? It's 2007 and racism still exist in this nation
of ours. You say you're tire!! ha Lol!!.. You don;t know the meaning of tired...
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Lamont, I live every day as a minority... where I live, the
>population is about 70% Hispanic. So since I can (and do) live
>as a minority, I guess based on your criteria I'm qualified to
>chime in:
>
>1.) If you're poor in this country, you get free healthcare...
>period. Yeah it sucks that you have to sit in an ER waiting
>room to get it, but said poor person also doens't get $5k's
>worth of bills like us "rich" people do when their daughter has
>to go in for an appendectomy, or tonsilectomy, or knee surgery
>from a volleyball injury (yeah it's one of those sports
>us "rich" people get their girls into in school - you know, the
>ones where us "rich" people have to pay for uniforms & separate
>sports insurance & stuff, while the "poor" people get those fees
>waived... another way of saying "you 'rich' people are paying
>for the poor people's kid's uniforms, too" What - you think the
>school district absorbed those costs? LOL!!!). So even
>though I've been fortunate enough to have decent insurance,
>I've also paid into a LOT of deductible's & "20% patient
>portions" over the years, too. Is it better than no insurance
>at all? Yes, I will admit that it is. Is it cheaper than being
>able to get free healthcare if you go into an ER as a person
>who has no ability to pay? FUCK No!
>This has no boundary - you can be black, white, asian,
>hispanic, paisley... just because you cannot pay, a hospital
>cannot deny you essential care.
>
>2.1) I know of no "United White Persons College Fund", or
>"Chevron White Persons College Scholarship Program", or any
>type of government or corporate charitable tuition-related
>assistance available to anyone other than a.) those that can
>demonstrate true need, and b.) Those for African-Americans &
>Hispanics & maybe a scant few for Asians.
>2.2) I also know of NO government-mandated programs that audit
>businesses to make sure they have an adequate amount of white
>folk working for them. This all means that the educational &
>employment opportunities for minorities are vastly superior
>to those available to "non-minorities" (essentially: "anyone
>who is white"). So why are you playing the race card?
>
>And don't play the "400 years of opression!" thing at me,
>either, because if it wasn't for your own brethren in the Ivory
>Coast kidnapping & selling your ancestors off to whomever
>wanted to buy them, there wouldn't have been a slave trade to
>begin with.
>
>Man - really getting tired of being blamed for every fucking
>evil in the western hemisphere!!!
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging
in
>>a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
>>You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
>>and stick them up your ass!!!
>>
>>Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
>>you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like
>an
>>Fox-News Network talking point head..
>>
>>Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
>>that it's a Mecca of sorts..
>>Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
>>tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
>>you don't know ...
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people
from
>>>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>>>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>>>hiring
>>>>>practices?
>>>>
>>>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>>>
>>>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>>>
>>>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>>>we must lose them...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done
a
>>great
>>>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
>>for
>>>>>standing up for us..
>>>>
>>>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>>>do harm.
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87245 is a reply to message #87236] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 00:09 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4681f4b3$1@linux...
>
> DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people from
> the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
> Do you understand ..You studid ...........
Alllright. I'm done with this thread. I can't have family looking over my
shoulder at stuff like this. Any suggestions, retorts, rebuttals,
discussions anyone wants to send me. please do so via email.
Sorry LaMont, I'm concerned you're gonna have a heart attack man. Find a
Starbucks, please, and get yourself some Tazo and quality inner peace time.
Your probably a workaholic, like me. I do Starbucks almost every day usually
with a friend, has been wonderful for me.
AA
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is... [message #87248 is a reply to message #87244] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 01:49 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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as to the slavery issue whether or not outside forces entered the
picture, people have been more than willing to enslave others and even
their own. one only has to look around the world today and see that
nothing has changed about slavery. while it may be distasteful for
one to accepts what ones own can and will do for profit it does not
change the fact that they did and did so willingly.
On 27 Jun 2007 17:12:13 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpr@ameritech.ne> wrote:
>
>Hey Neil, I would only say this about the Ivory coast statements:
>It did not start with tribal leaders "outing' selling of slave to the slave
>traders. Rather, it was an the "Industry" or better, a need for the cheap
>labor that prompted the the slave trade..
>
>Those running the slave trade: were the Arabs, Jews, Spaniards..
>
>Now, if you tired of being blamed for as you say "every thing wrong with
>western blah blah"....hen I offer you this:
>
>How do you think Blacks feel? It's 2007 and racism still exist in this nation
>of ours. You say you're tire!! ha Lol!!.. You don;t know the meaning of tired...
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Lamont, I live every day as a minority... where I live, the
>>population is about 70% Hispanic. So since I can (and do) live
>>as a minority, I guess based on your criteria I'm qualified to
>>chime in:
>>
>>1.) If you're poor in this country, you get free healthcare...
>>period. Yeah it sucks that you have to sit in an ER waiting
>>room to get it, but said poor person also doens't get $5k's
>>worth of bills like us "rich" people do when their daughter has
>>to go in for an appendectomy, or tonsilectomy, or knee surgery
>>from a volleyball injury (yeah it's one of those sports
>>us "rich" people get their girls into in school - you know, the
>>ones where us "rich" people have to pay for uniforms & separate
>>sports insurance & stuff, while the "poor" people get those fees
>>waived... another way of saying "you 'rich' people are paying
>>for the poor people's kid's uniforms, too" What - you think the
>>school district absorbed those costs? LOL!!!). So even
>>though I've been fortunate enough to have decent insurance,
>>I've also paid into a LOT of deductible's & "20% patient
>>portions" over the years, too. Is it better than no insurance
>>at all? Yes, I will admit that it is. Is it cheaper than being
>>able to get free healthcare if you go into an ER as a person
>>who has no ability to pay? FUCK No!
>>This has no boundary - you can be black, white, asian,
>>hispanic, paisley... just because you cannot pay, a hospital
>>cannot deny you essential care.
>>
>>2.1) I know of no "United White Persons College Fund", or
>>"Chevron White Persons College Scholarship Program", or any
>>type of government or corporate charitable tuition-related
>>assistance available to anyone other than a.) those that can
>>demonstrate true need, and b.) Those for African-Americans &
>>Hispanics & maybe a scant few for Asians.
>>2.2) I also know of NO government-mandated programs that audit
>>businesses to make sure they have an adequate amount of white
>>folk working for them. This all means that the educational &
>>employment opportunities for minorities are vastly superior
>>to those available to "non-minorities" (essentially: "anyone
>>who is white"). So why are you playing the race card?
>>
>>And don't play the "400 years of opression!" thing at me,
>>either, because if it wasn't for your own brethren in the Ivory
>>Coast kidnapping & selling your ancestors off to whomever
>>wanted to buy them, there wouldn't have been a slave trade to
>>begin with.
>>
>>Man - really getting tired of being blamed for every fucking
>>evil in the western hemisphere!!!
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging
>in
>>>a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
>>>You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
>>>and stick them up your ass!!!
>>>
>>>Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
>>>you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like
>>an
>>>Fox-News Network talking point head..
>>>
>>>Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
>>>that it's a Mecca of sorts..
>>>Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
>>>tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
>>>you don't know ...
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people
>from
>>>>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>>>>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>>>>hiring
>>>>>>practices?
>>>>>
>>>>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>>>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>>>>
>>>>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>>>>we must lose them...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done
>a
>>>great
>>>>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
>>>for
>>>>>>standing up for us..
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>>>>do harm.
>>>>>
>>>>>DC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is...Idiot.. [message #87252 is a reply to message #87238] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 07:27 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I know more than you can imagine...
Look what you turn into when someone disagrees with you!
Look in the mirror, man, if you want someone to blame.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
DC
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging in
>a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
>You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
>and stick them up your ass!!!
>
>Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
>you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like
an
>Fox-News Network talking point head..
>
>Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
>that it's a Mecca of sorts..
>Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
>tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
>you don't know ...
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people from
>>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>>
>>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>>hiring
>>>>practices?
>>>
>>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>>
>>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>>
>>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>>we must lose them...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done a
>great
>>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
>for
>>>>standing up for us..
>>>
>>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>>do harm.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is...Idiot.. [message #87255 is a reply to message #87252] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 07:45 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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C'mon, Don, this is your MO. You push someone's buttons saying things you
know will sincerely anger and upset them, and then when they get sincerely
angry and upset you come in with a grandfatherly, 'Now, look what's become
of you.' I've seen it here a dozen times and even bit once in a while.
For various reasons involving mostly where I like to live, what music I enjoy,
and what kind of women I find attractive I've spent a lot more time with
non-white people than most white people do. The difference between them and
me is that while I can talk about racism and economic (in)justice and all
of that, they have to actually live it, day in and day out. So give it a
rest, Don, there are some things that we simply can't understand.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>I know more than you can imagine...
>
>Look what you turn into when someone disagrees with you!
>
>Look in the mirror, man, if you want someone to blame.
>
>You should be ashamed of yourself.
>
>
>DC
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Even more...TO DC.. You're a fucking moron. I'm a moron for engaging
in
>>a dialog with you and your insane post. Get a life!! You idot!!!
>>You can take you and all of your insane so-called conservative viewpionts
>>and stick them up your ass!!!
>>
>>Should I thank you for the right to say that to you??? Well, let me thank
>>you DC for allowing me to say that you're an asshole who comes off like
>an
>>Fox-News Network talking point head..
>>
>>Fuck you!! And your thinking that every person born in this country thinks
>>that it's a Mecca of sorts..
>>Live a year hell, eben moth as an Minority , African American , then you
>>tell me something. But, since you cannot, just shut the Fuck up about things
>>you don't know ...
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>DC, you are he one who is insane. I thank God for removing our people
from
>>>the bondage os Slavery.. That's it..
>>>Do you understand ..You studid Mother fucker..!!!
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"So just ONCE dammit, say thank you America. Can you do it?"
>>>>>
>>>>>Are you kidding?? What for? For institutional racism? Unfair labor and
>>>hiring
>>>>>practices?
>>>>
>>>>For your good life. For the chance to espouse ideas others
>>>>may find insane, yet remain civil with them.
>>>>
>>>>For the chance to help others achieve as you have.
>>>>
>>>>In the final analysis, if we are not thankful for our blessings
>>>>we must lose them...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You call them poverty pimps (Jackson & Sharpton) but,they have done
a
>>great
>>>>>deal for the African maerican community and I will always Thanks them
>>for
>>>>>standing up for us..
>>>>
>>>>Yes, they occasionally do good. Much more often, they
>>>>do harm.
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87256 is a reply to message #87245] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 07:50 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Drugs aren't the answer... ;^)
So far we've seen conflicting numbers about the impact of illegal
immigration. It would be best to have accurate data before condoning one
policy over another. This is not an easy issue, obviously. It can be and
is used as a wedge issue.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Alllright. I'm done with this thread. I can't have family looking over my
> shoulder at stuff like this. Any suggestions, retorts, rebuttals,
> discussions anyone wants to send me. please do so via email.
> Sorry LaMont, I'm concerned you're gonna have a heart attack man. Find a
> Starbucks, please, and get yourself some Tazo and quality inner peace time.
> Your probably a workaholic, like me. I do Starbucks almost every day usually
> with a friend, has been wonderful for me.
>
> AA
>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is...Idiot.. [message #87300 is a reply to message #87255] |
Wed, 27 June 2007 23:28 |
dc[3]
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Registered: September 2005
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>C'mon, Don, this is your MO. You push someone's buttons saying things you
>know will sincerely anger and upset them, and then when they get sincerely
>angry and upset you come in with a grandfatherly, 'Now, look what's become
>of you.' I've seen it here a dozen times and even bit once in a while.
Think of the "sincere anger" I could lay on LaMont for a bit.
Think of what an in-kind response to him would sound like....
My M.O. is what keeps this from turning into a complete shambles.
Man, you really are clueless sometimes...
It just isn't worth losing your marbles over. After all, it's just 1's and
0's
in cyberspace. All of us here have quotes around our names. If we had
met in person instead of here, we would all get along fine. We need to
remember that.
No one has to agree with LaMont. No one has to agree with me.
We should remain civil however and LaMont has failed at that goal.
Again.
Another reason we should keep off of politics and religion, or at least
banish them to the general list like Kim asked us to.
just a thought
DC
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