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| Re: Setting up a Effect patch bay's / with real effects [message #105003 is a reply to message #105001] |
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| Quote: | 1) Will Paris let you use all the input and outputs on the cards to do this and still play back your tracks too.
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Yes.
| Quote: | 2) Is there any down side to doing this sort of thing (latency)?
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No, not really. PARIS' latency is more or less identical to older Iz RADAR systems (according to those figures from Iz, PARIS actually appears to have less latency than the more modern RADARS). I'm trying to find the roundtrip latencies for ProTools HD at the moment - I suspect it's actually lower than that too. If you'd use external hardware with either of those systems (I would) then the miniscule latency of PARIS will be no issue. The only thing significantly faster than PARIS seems to be true analog.
| Quote: | 3) Can you set it up for muti-card to get the same reverb on all Aux's?
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That's a little bit trickier, both with internal and external FX - PARIS thinks in terms of discrete 16 channel submixes. You can't patch or route across submixes without external hardware - eg you can't address the FX on Submix 1 from a track on Submix 2.
A good workaround to get the "aux outs" from different submixes into one external unit is to mult the various signals in to it and then bring the unit's returns back into Submix A. With a board at your disposal it shouldn't be hard to get some useful routings worked out.
| Quote: | 4) If I instll more input/output cards can the system find them. I was thinking if i did that maybe could keep the Effects/mixer or outboard gear hooked up at all times.
I would think that would work but just double ckecking with you all.
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Yes.
| Quote: | 5) Seams with the latency with plut-in's this my be a good work around and sound better.
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Good hardware is always going to be a lot of folks' first choice, but lots of plugins have no latency and some of them sound pretty darned good too. The better choice will depend on what you have - the internal effects in PARIS are essentially those of the Ensoniq DPPro.
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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| Re: Setting up a Effect patch bay's / with real effects [message #105004 is a reply to message #105001] |
Thu, 11 March 2010 18:47 |
thesandbox1
Messages: 167
Registered: July 2009
Location: Carmel, IN
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1. YES
2. No downside but there is the roundtrip latency going out to the outboard and back in. It is 60 samples or just over 1ms if using the analog i/o. SPIDF is only 1 sample ( http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=Paris Latency ) Not much of a deal unless you are going to do parallel compression or such and then will get slight phasing if you don't allign the track... FADERWORKS!
3. This is the disappointing answer as no this is not possible as the cards do not cross. Not sure if the new work being tried with senderella and the native submixes will/can do this. ???? What I usually will try to do is put the tracks or mults of what I want to go outboard with on one card and do it that way either individually with the external inserts on the channel or the insert on the aux on that submix for use on more than one...pretty much like you normally would do but yes that aux is only good for the 16 channels on that card. The setup in the patchbay is pretty easy once you do it a couple of times. There is small section in the manual on how to make the connections. I am not at home but If I am remembering in my hear correctly drag either the insert effects or aux box for what ever card you are using down onto the patchbay and connect from your module i/o the channel that that you are coming out of the mec into the channel or aux you are using the effect for and then take that same channel out of the effect and back into whatever number i/o on the module you are using coming back into the mec. note...you can take the output of the module you are using and go in to as many channels you would like on the insert or aux boxes...use that effect on 3 inserts if you want only the processed signal coming back pre eq, fader, etc....
4. YES...the MEC should see the i/o once you install them and relaunch PARIS
5. And yes...good outboard still beats plugins with latency only again becoming an issue if doing parallel compression on like maybe drums or vox as you will get the slight phasing of the 60 samples.
Hope this helps.
Matt
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