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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77686 is a reply to message #77682] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 12:10   |
Jamie K
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Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss
it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band
(woo!).
Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with
this last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's
blizzard.
DJ wrote:
> Jamie,
>
> Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you find
> anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of view?
>
> Regards,
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45980a4e$1@linux...
>> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you
>> politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." It's
>> odd, because you're not a dumb guy.
>>
>> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous
>> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling.
>>
>> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad
>> hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks
>> for adding your flavors to the stew.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DC wrote:
>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>
>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>
>>> Start here:
>>>
>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>
>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>
>>>
>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
>>> you
>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>
>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can
>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in
>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>>>
>>> and tell the truth.
>>>
>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
>>> damn
>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I have
>>> treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
>>>
>>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your
>>> side...
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>> ,Palestina
>>>> ....
>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>>> youre
>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>>>>> saw
>>>> the
>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77687 is a reply to message #77686] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 12:22 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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You too Jamie. We're gonna be at the Diamond Circle Theatre in Durango
tonight at a big party being thrown by one of my clients. It should be fun.
I could use some fun right about now.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4598167a$1@linux...
>
> Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss
> it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band
> (woo!).
>
> Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober...
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with this
> last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's blizzard.
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you
>> find anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of
>> view?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:45980a4e$1@linux...
>>> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with
>>> you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes."
>>> It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy.
>>>
>>> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous
>>> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling.
>>>
>>> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad
>>> hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks
>>> for adding your flavors to the stew.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
>>>> you,
>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>
>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>
>>>> Start here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
>>>> for
>>>> you
>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>
>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
>>>> can
>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>>>> in
>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>
>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
>>>> damn
>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>>> welfare
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your
>>>> side...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>> ....
>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>>>> youre
>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>>>>>> saw
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77688 is a reply to message #77680] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 12:40 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings" for
Americans. hmmm...
Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more liberal
society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans.
Hmmm...
Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in
Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the
Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his
body? ...hmmm...
And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
come well into the coming Year.
Erling
"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>
> I hate no one.
>
> DC
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>conversation.
>>
>>DC wrote:
>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>
>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>
>>> Start here:
>>>
>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>
>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>
>>>
>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>
>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
>>> you
>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>
>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
> can
>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
> in
>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>>>
>>> and tell the truth.
>>>
>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
> damn
>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>> welfare
>>>
>>> I am interested in.
>>>
>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>> ,Palestina
>>>> ....
>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
> youre
>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
> saw
>>>> the
>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77689 is a reply to message #77688] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 13:37 |
DC
Messages: 722
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That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt
anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to
marginalize the writers.
Like I said earlier. Pathetic
DC
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
>
>Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
>"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings"
for
>Americans. hmmm...
>Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
>1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more liberal
>society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans.
>Hmmm...
>Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in
>Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the
>Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his
>body? ...hmmm...
>
>And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
>outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
>
>But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
>come well into the coming Year.
>
>Erling
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>>
>> I hate no one.
>>
>> DC
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>>conversation.
>>>
>>>DC wrote:
>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
you,
>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>
>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>
>>>> Start here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
for
>>>> you
>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>
>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
>> can
>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>> in
>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>>>>
>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have
a
>> damn
>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>>> welfare
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in.
>>>>
>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>> ....
>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>> youre
>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when
he
>> saw
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77692 is a reply to message #77688] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 13:31 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Hi Erling.....just a thought. Perhaps these writers have a more realistic
and objective perspective on certain things than Europeans do who cannot
detach from the reality that they are immersed in on a daily basis and which
they have so heavily invested themselves. Any society (includin ours, of
course) can wear blinders and I try to listen to others thoughts and
opinions, often find validity and always find food for thought in things
that you say and even the insanity of Bunelrants. I hope that the scenario
that Hanson describes is less of a reality than it would appear, but I
personally think, from what I have seen in the American and international
press and from what I know of history, that there is a "lot" of truth to it.
Anyway, I respect you and though we disagree sometimes, I hope you have a
happy new year and that you make a lot of good music in 2007.
;o)
Deej
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:45981d97@linux...
> Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
>
> Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
> "private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings"
> for Americans. hmmm...
> Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
> 1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more
> liberal society. Writing for the most for the American people about us
> Europeans. Hmmm...
> Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in
> Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the
> Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his
> body? ...hmmm...
>
> And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
> outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
>
> But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
> come well into the coming Year.
>
> Erling
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>>
>> I hate no one.
>>
>> DC
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>>conversation.
>>>
>>>DC wrote:
>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
>>>> you,
>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>
>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>
>>>> Start here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
>>>> for
>>>> you
>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>
>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
>> can
>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>> in
>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>
>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
>> damn
>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>>> welfare
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in.
>>>>
>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>> ....
>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>> youre
>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>> saw
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77693 is a reply to message #77689] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 13:47 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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Don, I will read more on this stuff tomorrow with NewYear eyes and as good
as my english permits. But different cultural eyes will allways see the
world in different perspectives - as there is great differences in the old
and new Testament in the way to live, hate and love. Nothing pathetic at all
with that, just that I'm sceptical when someone means they have monopole on
the truth with their talking and writing.
Erling
"DC" <dc@spammersineurpe.com> skrev i melding news:45981f7a$1@linux...
>
> That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt
> anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to
> marginalize the writers.
>
> Like I said earlier. Pathetic
>
> DC
>
>
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
>>
>>Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
>
>>"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings"
> for
>>Americans. hmmm...
>>Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
>
>>1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more
>>liberal
>
>>society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans.
>
>>Hmmm...
>>Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in
>
>>Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the
>
>>Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside his
>
>>body? ...hmmm...
>>
>>And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
>>outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
>>
>>But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
>
>>come well into the coming Year.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I hate no one.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>>>conversation.
>>>>
>>>>DC wrote:
>>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
> you,
>>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> Start here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
> for
>>>>> you
>>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
>>> can
>>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>>> in
>>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so
>>>>> great
>>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>>
>>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have
> a
>>> damn
>>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>
>>>>> welfare
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>> youre
>>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when
> he
>>> saw
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77694 is a reply to message #77692] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 14:13 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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Hi Doug... I don't saying anything abouth what's true or not, just that I'm
really sceptical
when the writings are being the same as having monopole on the truth in
clean black and white, without any other colors at all.
There are problems in Europe too but it seems that a good dialoge between
the tops of different cultures are making good results, as here in Norway.
The Gouvernment, Church and Muslims have had plenty of meetings here and
have done and is doing something with the problems. But we're just a little
land and small enough to "know the new neighbours" and small enough to learn
someting with and about them.
Get a Great New Year too, with all you're doing.
Erling
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> skrev i melding news:45982938@linux...
> Hi Erling.....just a thought. Perhaps these writers have a more realistic
> and objective perspective on certain things than Europeans do who cannot
> detach from the reality that they are immersed in on a daily basis and
> which they have so heavily invested themselves. Any society (includin
> ours, of course) can wear blinders and I try to listen to others thoughts
> and opinions, often find validity and always find food for thought in
> things that you say and even the insanity of Bunelrants. I hope that the
> scenario that Hanson describes is less of a reality than it would appear,
> but I personally think, from what I have seen in the American and
> international press and from what I know of history, that there is a "lot"
> of truth to it. Anyway, I respect you and though we disagree sometimes, I
> hope you have a happy new year and that you make a lot of good music in
> 2007.
>
> ;o)
>
> Deej
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote in message news:45981d97@linux...
>> Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
>>
>> Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
>> "private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings"
>> for Americans. hmmm...
>> Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
>> 1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more
>> liberal society. Writing for the most for the American people about us
>> Europeans. Hmmm...
>> Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living in
>> Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when the
>> Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside
>> his body? ...hmmm...
>>
>> And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
>> outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
>>
>> But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
>> come well into the coming Year.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I hate no one.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>>>conversation.
>>>>
>>>>DC wrote:
>>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
>>>>> you,
>>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> Start here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
>>>>> for
>>>>> you
>>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
>>> can
>>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>>> in
>>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so
>>>>> great
>>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>>
>>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
>>> damn
>>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>>>> welfare
>>>>>
>>>>> I am interested in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>>> ....
>>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>> youre
>>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>>> saw
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77695 is a reply to message #77693] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 15:05 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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To say there is no monopoly on the truth is not the same is
saying there is no truth.
If these people and many others are right, Europe is on the
verge of the next kristallnacht, and has no ability to save itself.
This is what drives my sharing of these things. Not to argue, nor
to meet interesting people pretending to be trolls... (grin)
When I went through the holocaust museum here, the last portion
of the tour is to place all of us in a reproduction gas chamber.
I was quite offended at the melodrama of this "stunt" as I felt it
was, but once the hissing and special FX were over, I was really,
really angry, because the chamber made us into things to be
killed, not people, and no one had prevented it from happening
in the real world.
A little old man with a concentration camp tattoo on his arm came up and
asked if we believed this could happen again
in Europe.
Most of the people raised their hands.
Then he asked if we thought it could happen here in America.
Most of the same hands went up. Mine and one other man's did
not. He called out to us and asked "why not?"
And I said "because I will rise up and take the life of anyone who
tries to do such a thing in our country". I saw the other man
shake his head in agreement.
Well, honestly I expected a lecture in peace and how violence just
makes more violence.
Then the man with the concentration camp tattoo pointed to me,
and in a loud voice said:
"If it does not happen in America, HERE is the reason why",
there is no other".
And so, here I am doing my best. At minimum, those who disagree
can do so in a civil manner, but no, derision is always the weapon
of choice when finds oneself without ammo in the fight of our
lives...
just a thought....
DC
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>Don, I will read more on this stuff tomorrow with NewYear eyes and as good
>as my english permits. But different cultural eyes will allways see the
>world in different perspectives - as there is great differences in the old
>and new Testament in the way to live, hate and love. Nothing pathetic at
all
>with that, just that I'm sceptical when someone means they have monopole
on
>the truth with their talking and writing.
>
>Erling
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersineurpe.com> skrev i melding news:45981f7a$1@linux...
>>
>> That's what I expected, but I thought I should make the attempt
>> anyway. You cannot engage the ideas so you try to
>> marginalize the writers.
>>
>> Like I said earlier. Pathetic
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>>>Don, do you have two tongues or are you just talking with two?;-)
>>>
>>>Hmmm... Victor Hanson, an American professor that have his own American,
>>
>>>"private meanings" and living well on having "official private meanings"
>> for
>>>Americans. hmmm...
>>>Hmmm.... Bruce Bawer, a writer that moved from New York to Amsterdam in
>>
>>>1998, where he felt that he could live better as a gay man in a more
>>>liberal
>>
>>>society. Writing for the most for the American people about us Europeans.
>>
>>>Hmmm...
>>>Hmmm... Christopher Hitchens, an English journalist that's now living
in
>>
>>>Washington D.C.. A man that was ultrared 'till the years of '90, when
the
>>
>>>Soviet Union system collapsed. Maybe he have a little chameleon inside
his
>>
>>>body? ...hmmm...
>>>
>>>And you mean these people are serving the truth about the whole world
>>>outside America? Hmmm... interesting...
>>>
>>>But now it's time for the coming year. Get a great NewYear night Don and
>>
>>>come well into the coming Year.
>>>
>>>Erling
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinzztop.com> skrev i melding news:45980771$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I hate no one.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>>>>>conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>>DC wrote:
>>>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
>> you,
>>>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Start here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
>> for
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism,
you
>>>> can
>>>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
>>>> in
>>>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have
>> a
>>>> damn
>>>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as
I
>>>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>
>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am interested in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>>> youre
>>>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when
>> he
>>>> saw
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77754 is a reply to message #77686] |
Mon, 01 January 2007 12:25 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Deej, I read Don's links end to end. Briefly: The second one (Bruce) was
the only one to identify fundamentalism as a basic problem, something I
think is insightful. However he criticizes Europeans for criticizing
problems in the USA, problems which to a degree we actually have. When I
see that kind of implied generalization it calls into question his
criticisms of Europeans as also being inaccurately exaggerated.
Hitchens likewise exaggerates his characterizations of those who may
disagree with his viewpoint, reveling in creating and grandly knocking
over straw men. There is an epidemic of this style of "argument" these
days. As can be said about many an armchair general, that he will never
"assume the mantle of generalship" (as he puts it) is probably no great
loss to our military.
In Hanson's article he appears to take whatever facts are at hand and
bend them to attack the things he didn't like anyway, for example
socialism. If there were no Islam, I get the strong impression he'd use
something else to argue against what he doesn't like.
I don't argue with the facts, when they are actual facts. But when leaps
to conclusions are preordained rather than actually deduced, they must
be taken with a grain of salt.
I also see that he exaggerates, generalizes, scapegoats and thoroughly
enjoys tipping his pet straw men. Apparently he means this to be
impressive but I think it seriously detracts from his message.
The funk shoot last night was a blast.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Jamie K wrote:
> Deej, I'll have time to follow Don's links tomorrow. Be glad to discuss
> it. Right now I'm prepping for a concert shoot with a funky horn band
> (woo!).
>
> Happy New Year! Stay safe and drive sober...
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> PS. Did you get any of this snow over there? We dodged a bullet with
> this last storm, only 10 inches. After several feet from last week's
> blizzard.
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Jamie,
>>
>> Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do
>> you find anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point
>> of view?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:45980a4e$1@linux...
>>> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees
>>> with you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your
>>> "jokes." It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy.
>>>
>>> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous
>>> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling.
>>>
>>> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and
>>> ad hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but
>>> thanks for adding your flavors to the stew.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DC wrote:
>>>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like
>>>> you,
>>>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>>>
>>>> Want to save yourselves?
>>>>
>>>> Start here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>>>
>>>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right,
>>>> for
>>>> you
>>>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>>>
>>>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism,
>>>> you can
>>>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and
>>>> somewhere in
>>>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>>>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the
>>>> self-righteous,
>>>>
>>>> and tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have
>>>> a damn
>>>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>>>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your
>>>> welfare
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from
>>>> your side...
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> When is the time for others?
>>>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>>>> ,Palestina
>>>>> ....
>>>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before
>>>>> give youre
>>>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when
>>>>>> he saw
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77835 is a reply to message #77679] |
Wed, 03 January 2007 19:31 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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Senior Member |
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OK, I read this Brussels sprouts thing and felt inspired to
comment/question.
First, secularism is not hedonism. Secondly, a secular society is not
necessarily devoid of spirituality, in fact, by decreeing a separation of
church and state, wasn't our own constitution designing a secular state?
Third, many non-Christians (such as myself) are rife with spirituality and
Christian values, while many who call themselves Christians seem to value
only wealth and power. Fourthly (sounded better than "fourth") Christians
are not the only people who reject and oppose radical Islam. Onward
Christian soldiers, by all means, but don't forget the rest of us who are
not going to be told what to believe by fundamentalists of any species.
Lastly, I don't see how encouraging more fear of Islam is going to do
anything but create more hatred, violence, and radicalization.
What did any of this have to do with Saddam, anyway? He was a secularist.
And why is it OK to talk politics again? Last time I made a political
comment SOMEBODY scolded me . . .
Sarah
www.sarahtonin.com/wayward.htm
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:45980725$1@linux...
>
> Here's one more, that takes faith into account. Not a belief, but as an
> important
> part of a culture.
>
> http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/852
>
> DC
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77846 is a reply to message #77835] |
Wed, 03 January 2007 23:18 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
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"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>OK, I read this Brussels sprouts thing and felt inspired to
>comment/question.
>
>First, secularism is not hedonism. Secondly, a secular society is not
>necessarily devoid of spirituality, in fact, by decreeing a separation of
>church and state, wasn't our own constitution designing a secular state?
The point was not about religion, it was about whether a culture to whom
personal pleasure and comfort is paramount, can defend itself from
fascism. The source from which one draws the will to resist fascism is
a
seperate issue from the fact that Europe may or may not be able to resist
it.
>don't forget the rest of us who are
>not going to be told what to believe by fundamentalists of any species.
Good. Glad to hear it. What's your plan?
>Lastly, I don't see how encouraging more fear of Islam is going to do
>anything but create more hatred, violence, and radicalization.
Your characterization is off. He is asking for an understanding of the true
nature of the threat, not asking for fear in and of itself. How is he wrong?
If he is right, what are the consequences?
>What did any of this have to do with Saddam, anyway? He was a secularist.
Which day of the week?
It had nothing to do with Saddam. It had everything to do with me posting
a joke about Saddam and having several people go off because of it.
It went:
Saddam Executed - New York Times goes into mourning!
Now, can you chuckle at that, or do you feel the need to give me a good
dressing down for it?
Your answer will reveal your level of tolerance for a variety of views.
How are you BTW?
DC
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77866 is a reply to message #77835] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 08:49 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006
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I have a thing about Death Penalties in general, but it is primarily based
on my issues with killing innocent people. That was not an issue with Hussein.
His death was surly justified, but just below the surface lies the real reason
for his “public” execution and why so many more people have died. Guilty
and innocent alike.
When leaders start wars for any reason less than the actual preservation
of their country or to stop a clear danger to the majority of their population,
they are doing it without just cause. That kind of war is about the ultimate
power of leaders. In our case, I believe we went to war to show our willingness
to go to war! “Play ball with the US or get squashed like a bug.”
“Cooperate with us and we will supply you with arms, money, and support any
outrageous things you do to your country and citizens. Don’t cooperate and
you will be stripped of your country and we will hang you and the rest of
your family like the dogs you are.”
General Pervez Musharraf writes in his new book that we did just that to
him and he decided it was better to cooperate than to be “bombed back to
the Stone Age.” But to really wield “The Big Stick” you must we willing to
go far past showing your willingness to attack other countries from afar,
you must show your willingness to sacrifice the lives of your military to
show your true resolve.
Ultimately, wars without just cause are just a different form of human sacrifice.
To die for the Emperor. It certainly aint new.
Historically, many leaders have required human sacrifices of their own people:
Aztec warriors, Imperial Rome, Hitler's Germany, et al.
On a much larger scale has been the sacrificing of entire armies. Millions
have died over the millennia for the uncontrolled hubris of a few.
Once again we have all-powerful leaders in the US willing to trade lives
for their personal Cause de Jour. We have not come far in the last few thousand
years. This is the exact reason the US Constitution goes to great lengths
to insure the limited and controlled power of the President, and one again
we have failed as citizens and allowed this to happen.
Bush is our Caligula! - Hail Cesar!
Gene
As to the question about the validity of the tapes and if Hussein is actually
dead… I think it’s more likely that Hussein is actually dead than it is that
Ken Lay is dead.
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77874 is a reply to message #77866] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 09:43 |
Jeff hoover
Messages: 22
Registered: January 2007
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Gene,
History will probably bear out a few "subtle" differences between Bush
and Caligula
:-)
Hoov
Gene Lennon wrote:
> I have a thing about Death Penalties in general, but it is primarily based
> on my issues with killing innocent people. That was not an issue with Hussein.
> His death was surly justified, but just below the surface lies the real reason
> for his “public” execution and why so many more people have died. Guilty
> and innocent alike.
>
> When leaders start wars for any reason less than the actual preservation
> of their country or to stop a clear danger to the majority of their population,
> they are doing it without just cause. That kind of war is about the ultimate
> power of leaders. In our case, I believe we went to war to show our willingness
> to go to war! “Play ball with the US or get squashed like a bug.”
> “Cooperate with us and we will supply you with arms, money, and support any
> outrageous things you do to your country and citizens. Don’t cooperate and
> you will be stripped of your country and we will hang you and the rest of
> your family like the dogs you are.”
>
> General Pervez Musharraf writes in his new book that we did just that to
> him and he decided it was better to cooperate than to be “bombed back to
> the Stone Age.” But to really wield “The Big Stick” you must we willing to
> go far past showing your willingness to attack other countries from afar,
> you must show your willingness to sacrifice the lives of your military to
> show your true resolve.
>
> Ultimately, wars without just cause are just a different form of human sacrifice.
> To die for the Emperor. It certainly aint new.
>
> Historically, many leaders have required human sacrifices of their own people:
> Aztec warriors, Imperial Rome, Hitler's Germany, et al.
>
> On a much larger scale has been the sacrificing of entire armies. Millions
> have died over the millennia for the uncontrolled hubris of a few.
>
> Once again we have all-powerful leaders in the US willing to trade lives
> for their personal Cause de Jour. We have not come far in the last few thousand
> years. This is the exact reason the US Constitution goes to great lengths
> to insure the limited and controlled power of the President, and one again
> we have failed as citizens and allowed this to happen.
>
> Bush is our Caligula! - Hail Cesar!
>
>
> Gene
>
> As to the question about the validity of the tapes and if Hussein is actually
> dead… I think it’s more likely that Hussein is actually dead than it is that
> Ken Lay is dead.
>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77884 is a reply to message #77874] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 13:48 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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GW isn't qualified to depilate Caligula's tenth favorite catamite! Say what
you will about Caligula (incest, lechery, murder, madness, just to get started)
by he had STYLE! If we're looking for an imperial Roman equivalent we need
to go for Theodosius perhaps, or Justinian. Or maybe Constantius, the first
emperor who really believed in Christianity.
Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite-DOT-com> wrote:
>Gene,
>
>History will probably bear out a few "subtle" differences between Bush
>and Caligula
>
>:-)
>
>
>Hoov
>
>Gene Lennon wrote:
>> I have a thing about Death Penalties in general, but it is primarily based
>> on my issues with killing innocent people. That was not an issue with
Hussein.
>> His death was surly justified, but just below the surface lies the real
reason
>> for his “public” execution and why so many more people have died. Guilty
>> and innocent alike.
>>
>> When leaders start wars for any reason less than the actual preservation
>> of their country or to stop a clear danger to the majority of their population,
>> they are doing it without just cause. That kind of war is about the ultimate
>> power of leaders. In our case, I believe we went to war to show our willingness
>> to go to war! “Play ball with the US or get squashed like a bug.”
>> “Cooperate with us and we will supply you with arms, money, and support
any
>> outrageous things you do to your country and citizens. Don’t cooperate
and
>> you will be stripped of your country and we will hang you and the rest
of
>> your family like the dogs you are.”
>>
>> General Pervez Musharraf writes in his new book that we did just that
to
>> him and he decided it was better to cooperate than to be “bombed back
to
>> the Stone Age.” But to really wield “The Big Stick” you must we willing
to
>> go far past showing your willingness to attack other countries from afar,
>> you must show your willingness to sacrifice the lives of your military
to
>> show your true resolve.
>>
>> Ultimately, wars without just cause are just a different form of human
sacrifice.
>> To die for the Emperor. It certainly aint new.
>>
>> Historically, many leaders have required human sacrifices of their own
people:
>> Aztec warriors, Imperial Rome, Hitler's Germany, et al.
>>
>> On a much larger scale has been the sacrificing of entire armies. Millions
>> have died over the millennia for the uncontrolled hubris of a few.
>>
>> Once again we have all-powerful leaders in the US willing to trade lives
>> for their personal Cause de Jour. We have not come far in the last few
thousand
>> years. This is the exact reason the US Constitution goes to great lengths
>> to insure the limited and controlled power of the President, and one again
>> we have failed as citizens and allowed this to happen.
>>
>> Bush is our Caligula! - Hail Cesar!
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> As to the question about the validity of the tapes and if Hussein is actually
>> dead… I think it’s more likely that Hussein is actually dead than it is
that
>> Ken Lay is dead.
>>
>>
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