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| Re: message from democrats [message #75641 is a reply to message #75640] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 14:51   |
Colonel Panic
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2005
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Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss.
"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>
> I hereby make these promises to you.
>
> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>
> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>
> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>orientation, or first language.
>
> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>
> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
own
>party.
>
>
>ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>
>We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>
>We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>
>We will never waste your lives for power.
>
>We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
to
>lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>
>If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>
>We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>Let's go.
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75644 is a reply to message #75640] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 14:32 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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I'm not a Republican, but I'll be ecstatic if that what you say holds true
Justin. You'll have to forgive me if don't have much hope anything will
change though. Check back with me in 2008 and we'll see how them Dems did.
(ecstatic, boy dat's a pritty big word. I don't know whether I'm ecstatic,
or ludicrous!) ;>)
Tony
"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>
> I hereby make these promises to you.
>
> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>
> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>
> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
> orientation, or first language.
>
> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>
> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
> own party.
>
>
> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>
> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>
> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>
> We will never waste your lives for power.
>
> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>
> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>
> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
> Let's go.
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75649 is a reply to message #75644] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 15:44 |
j-cron
Messages: 23
Registered: October 2006
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yeah exactly. I figured it was a nice uplifting message anyway, but yeah
we know the reality. Both parties suck.
I dont even know what party I am anymore. I mostly vote Green because its
not the status quo, not that they have a great plan or orginization.
I'm sure we'll need to kick the dems out of congress in 12 years too, but
maybe for now theres a little light at the end of the tunnel.
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:455258ee@linux...
> I'm not a Republican, but I'll be ecstatic if that what you say holds true
> Justin. You'll have to forgive me if don't have much hope anything will
> change though. Check back with me in 2008 and we'll see how them Dems did.
>
> (ecstatic, boy dat's a pritty big word. I don't know whether I'm ecstatic,
> or ludicrous!) ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>> orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>> country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>> own party.
>>
>>
>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>> Let's go.
>>
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75651 is a reply to message #75640] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 16:43 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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So why didn't they say they would get along before the 7th? Why haven't they
done this for the last 40+ years? Why have they been so divisive?
When Abramoff got busted they all got in line and gave money back, but yet
they pointed at the Republicans and screamed "Scandal". So typical! "Look
at them, they're dirtier than us". When it comes to our interest, both parties
are the same. The truth is they are both a bunch of dirty greasy slimy rats.
They are eating our lunch, they sell us out by the second.
They weaken us by them both pointing at each other and saying "look at how
dirty those bastards are" They keep us divided on the issues, and they stay
in power! They get fat and rich, while the middle class dies. That's how
the two party system works, they keep us divided and weak, they stay in power,
and we lose!
People we need more than a two party system. We need to take back our government.
We need a government for the people and by the people. We do need change,
but the answer is not the Democrats! We need to get rid of all the fat bloated
lying lawyer career politicians! WE need to get rid of ALL the lobby groups.
WE need a new justice system. We need a new tax system, We need a complete
over haul of the government, it is way too corrupt! Easy to do? NO! Necessary
to do yes! Will it happen? Only if you and I decide to come together, be
honest, and do it together. We'd have to put our issues aside for ever.
That means we have to stop looking back and playing the blame game! The
entitlement mentality is going to break and kill this country.
The powers that be, (Politicians, world banks, etc.) are shifting the wealth
of The United States (WE the People) to third world countries. They are
selling America off wholesale, right under our noses. They want to rule
the world economically. THE NEW WORLD ORDER! WE better wake up fast.
The other issue facing the US is China. If we are not careful we will have
Chinese boots on American soil in the next 30 years. Make no mistake, they
are planning on it, just do some research on it. They plan to take over
the world.
The first step is to see the truth. The second is to stop listening to the
politicians and the media. The third is to be honest and come together.
The forth is to take massive action. That means you!
We need change. I hope the Democrats make the right changes, and get the
country going in the right direction. Unfortunately I believe they will
try to destroy and damage the Republican party, with more scandals and criminal
prosecutions so they can stay in power for years and years to come. This
will not help the country. They need to focus on getting us back on track,
but they are already talking war with the republicans. That's just dirty
politics as usual, not what we need. Lip service is nice, I want to see
action. Also prepare for tax increases, they need to buy votes for 2008
with your money.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is a new start. We'll see.
political post should be in the general news group section!!!
"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>
> I hereby make these promises to you.
>
> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>
> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>
> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>orientation, or first language.
>
> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>
> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
own
>party.
>
>
>ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>
>We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>
>We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>
>We will never waste your lives for power.
>
>We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
to
>lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>
>If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>
>We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>Let's go.
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75654 is a reply to message #75640] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 16:34 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show some
leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what the
republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as the
republicans have been.
3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
the responsibility will fall in their lap.
Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again) is a
scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a then
Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed. trial
involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He is one of
a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is Pelosi going
to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted* vermin?
I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a "put
up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that they
will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put them over
the top.
If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for a
presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept out
in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in two
years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency in
2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
concerned.
I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but they
keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all hat, no
cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what they're
gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough now that
they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never had.
;o)
"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>
> I hereby make these promises to you.
>
> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>
> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>
> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
> orientation, or first language.
>
> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>
> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
> own party.
>
>
> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>
> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>
> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>
> We will never waste your lives for power.
>
> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>
> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>
> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
> Let's go.
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75657 is a reply to message #75651] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 17:18 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Yeah but we like sound bites and these are good ones ! Plus blue is a
purty color.
no wrote:
> So why didn't they say they would get along before the 7th? Why haven't they
> done this for the last 40+ years? Why have they been so divisive?
>
> When Abramoff got busted they all got in line and gave money back, but yet
> they pointed at the Republicans and screamed "Scandal". So typical! "Look
> at them, they're dirtier than us". When it comes to our interest, both parties
> are the same. The truth is they are both a bunch of dirty greasy slimy rats.
> They are eating our lunch, they sell us out by the second.
>
> They weaken us by them both pointing at each other and saying "look at how
> dirty those bastards are" They keep us divided on the issues, and they stay
> in power! They get fat and rich, while the middle class dies. That's how
> the two party system works, they keep us divided and weak, they stay in power,
> and we lose!
>
> People we need more than a two party system. We need to take back our government.
> We need a government for the people and by the people. We do need change,
> but the answer is not the Democrats! We need to get rid of all the fat bloated
> lying lawyer career politicians! WE need to get rid of ALL the lobby groups.
> WE need a new justice system. We need a new tax system, We need a complete
> over haul of the government, it is way too corrupt! Easy to do? NO! Necessary
> to do yes! Will it happen? Only if you and I decide to come together, be
> honest, and do it together. We'd have to put our issues aside for ever.
> That means we have to stop looking back and playing the blame game! The
> entitlement mentality is going to break and kill this country.
>
> The powers that be, (Politicians, world banks, etc.) are shifting the wealth
> of The United States (WE the People) to third world countries. They are
> selling America off wholesale, right under our noses. They want to rule
> the world economically. THE NEW WORLD ORDER! WE better wake up fast.
>
>
> The other issue facing the US is China. If we are not careful we will have
> Chinese boots on American soil in the next 30 years. Make no mistake, they
> are planning on it, just do some research on it. They plan to take over
> the world.
>
> The first step is to see the truth. The second is to stop listening to the
> politicians and the media. The third is to be honest and come together.
> The forth is to take massive action. That means you!
>
> We need change. I hope the Democrats make the right changes, and get the
> country going in the right direction. Unfortunately I believe they will
> try to destroy and damage the Republican party, with more scandals and criminal
> prosecutions so they can stay in power for years and years to come. This
> will not help the country. They need to focus on getting us back on track,
> but they are already talking war with the republicans. That's just dirty
> politics as usual, not what we need. Lip service is nice, I want to see
> action. Also prepare for tax increases, they need to buy votes for 2008
> with your money.
>
> I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is a new start. We'll see.
>
> political post should be in the general news group section!!!
>
>
>
>
> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>> orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
> own
>> party.
>>
>>
>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
> to
>> lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>> Let's go.
>>
>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75664 is a reply to message #75654] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 19:40 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>
> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show some
> leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what the
> republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as the
> republicans have been.
>
> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>
> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again) is a
> scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a then
> Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed. trial
> involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He is one of
> a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is Pelosi going
> to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted* vermin?
>
> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a "put
> up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that they
> will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put them over
> the top.
>
> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for a
> presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept out
> in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in two
> years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency in
> 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
> concerned.
>
> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but they
> keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all hat, no
> cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what they're
> gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough now that
> they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never had.
> ;o)
>
> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>> orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>> own party.
>>
>>
>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>> Let's go.
>>
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75667 is a reply to message #75654] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 20:59 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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DJ, I thought you were a Democrat??
Here in the midwest, the ecomony is not as good as we bring told. I's very
bad. Wages have not increase in years.
Massive lay-offs are everywhere here in the rust belt. That's Why we voted
he way we did. Tax breaks for the rich, no break for the workign class???
What gives..??
And, he current administraion has not had aplan for Iraq as well. I for one
and glad that here is a change called BALANCE.. Now, they can repeal that
"eavesdropping act, kill the Patriot act..Get back to a right to decent,
without beig called un american..
"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
>see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
>colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>
>2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show some
>leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what the
>republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as the
>republicans have been.
>
>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>
>Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
is a
>scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a then
>Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed. trial
>involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He is one
of
>a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is Pelosi going
>to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted* vermin?
>
>I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a
"put
>up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that they
>will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put them over
>the top.
>
>If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for
a
>presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
out
>in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in two
>years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency in
>2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>concerned.
>
> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
>doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
they
>keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all hat,
no
>cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what they're
>gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough now that
>they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never had.
>;o)
>
>"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>> orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>> own party.
>>
>>
>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>> Let's go.
>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75669 is a reply to message #75664] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 20:15 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>
> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>
> Cheers,
The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with no
agenda whatsoever.
They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions, no
plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats for
pulling it off.
Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are in the
bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow the
liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will not be
supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners were
the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever. They
make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their minds
to it.
;o)
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>
>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as
>> the republicans have been.
>>
>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is
>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>
>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a
>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed.
>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He
>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is
>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>> vermin?
>>
>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a
>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that
>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put
>> them over the top.
>>
>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for
>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in
>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>> concerned.
>>
>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all
>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what
>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never
>> had.
>> ;o)
>>
>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>
>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>
>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>
>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>
>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>
>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>> country.
>>>
>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>>> own party.
>>>
>>>
>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>
>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>
>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>
>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>
>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>
>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>
>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>> Let's go.
>>>
>>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75670 is a reply to message #75651] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 21:07 |
LAD
Messages: 1
Registered: November 2006
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Junior Member |
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Good post...Whoever you are..
"no" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>So why didn't they say they would get along before the 7th? Why haven't
they
>done this for the last 40+ years? Why have they been so divisive?
>
>When Abramoff got busted they all got in line and gave money back, but yet
>they pointed at the Republicans and screamed "Scandal". So typical! "Look
>at them, they're dirtier than us". When it comes to our interest, both
parties
>are the same. The truth is they are both a bunch of dirty greasy slimy
rats.
> They are eating our lunch, they sell us out by the second.
>
>They weaken us by them both pointing at each other and saying "look at how
>dirty those bastards are" They keep us divided on the issues, and they
stay
>in power! They get fat and rich, while the middle class dies. That's how
>the two party system works, they keep us divided and weak, they stay in
power,
>and we lose!
>
>People we need more than a two party system. We need to take back our government.
> We need a government for the people and by the people. We do need change,
>but the answer is not the Democrats! We need to get rid of all the fat
bloated
>lying lawyer career politicians! WE need to get rid of ALL the lobby groups.
> WE need a new justice system. We need a new tax system, We need a complete
>over haul of the government, it is way too corrupt! Easy to do? NO! Necessary
>to do yes! Will it happen? Only if you and I decide to come together,
be
>honest, and do it together. We'd have to put our issues aside for ever.
> That means we have to stop looking back and playing the blame game! The
>entitlement mentality is going to break and kill this country.
>
>The powers that be, (Politicians, world banks, etc.) are shifting the wealth
>of The United States (WE the People) to third world countries. They are
>selling America off wholesale, right under our noses. They want to rule
>the world economically. THE NEW WORLD ORDER! WE better wake up fast.
>
>
>The other issue facing the US is China. If we are not careful we will have
>Chinese boots on American soil in the next 30 years. Make no mistake, they
>are planning on it, just do some research on it. They plan to take over
>the world.
>
>The first step is to see the truth. The second is to stop listening to
the
>politicians and the media. The third is to be honest and come together.
> The forth is to take massive action. That means you!
>
>We need change. I hope the Democrats make the right changes, and get the
>country going in the right direction. Unfortunately I believe they will
>try to destroy and damage the Republican party, with more scandals and criminal
>prosecutions so they can stay in power for years and years to come. This
>will not help the country. They need to focus on getting us back on track,
>but they are already talking war with the republicans. That's just dirty
>politics as usual, not what we need. Lip service is nice, I want to see
>action. Also prepare for tax increases, they need to buy votes for 2008
>with your money.
>
>I hope I'm wrong. I hope this is a new start. We'll see.
>
>political post should be in the general news group section!!!
>
>
>
>
>"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>own
>>party.
>>
>>
>>ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>>We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>>We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>>We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>>We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>to
>>lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>>If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>>We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>Let's go.
>>
>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75672 is a reply to message #75669] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 21:10 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>>
>> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
>> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>>
>> Cheers,
>
>The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with
no
>agenda whatsoever.
>
> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
>managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
>Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
>ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions,
no
>plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
>
>I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats for
>pulling it off.
>
>Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
>already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are in
the
>bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow the
>liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will not
be
>supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners were
>the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever. They
>make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their minds
>to it.
>
>;o)
>
Look at what they did to Lieberman when he didn't tow the line.
>
>
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting
to
>>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their
true
>>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>>
>>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just
as
>>> the republicans have been.
>>>
>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it
is
>>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a
>>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a
Fed.
>>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe.
He
>>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office.
Is
>>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>>> vermin?
>>>
>>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in
a
>>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that
>>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put
>>> them over the top.
>>>
>>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try
for
>>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
>>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses
in
>>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of
the
>>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
>>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all
>>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about
what
>>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never
>>> had.
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>>
>>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>>
>>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>>
>>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>>
>>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in
our
>>>> own party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>
>>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>>
>>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>>
>>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>>
>>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>>> Let's go.
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75673 is a reply to message #75669] |
Wed, 08 November 2006 21:14 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Oh no you don't my friend.. Roves use of Gay marriages in the 2004 election
to drum up the evangelicals was geinus..
P.S.
The dem do have an agenda and that is to make Bush's las 2 years a Lame-Duck
living hell AND stop the use of FEAR (Foxnews) to control the electorate..
More power to them !!
"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>>
>> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
>> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>>
>> Cheers,
>
>The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with
no
>agenda whatsoever.
>
> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
>managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
>Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
>ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions,
no
>plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
>
>I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats for
>pulling it off.
>
>Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
>already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are in
the
>bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow the
>liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will not
be
>supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners were
>the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever. They
>make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their minds
>to it.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting
to
>>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their
true
>>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>>
>>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just
as
>>> the republicans have been.
>>>
>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it
is
>>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a
>>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a
Fed.
>>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe.
He
>>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office.
Is
>>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>>> vermin?
>>>
>>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in
a
>>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that
>>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put
>>> them over the top.
>>>
>>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try
for
>>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
>>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses
in
>>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of
the
>>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
>>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all
>>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about
what
>>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never
>>> had.
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>>
>>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>>
>>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>>
>>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>>
>>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in
our
>>>> own party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>
>>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>>
>>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>>
>>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>>
>>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>>> Let's go.
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75704 is a reply to message #75654] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 08:38 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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I don't think presidents can wreck economies. A Fed chairman can, but I don't
think a president can. And say what you will about bubba, but at the end
of his reign of terror we had a budget surplus and a much smaller trade deficit.
Now then, in the eighties the Japanese equivalent of the fed was terrified
of unemployment so it made credit absurdly easy to get. Eventually, if enough
cheap money is sloshing around it will smash up against something that is
truly finite like, oh, say, land. So small chunks of downtown Tokyo were
worth more than Delaware. Then, for various reasons interest rates had to
go up and there was a massive bloodletting in the real estate markets. Sound
familiar? Unky Greenspan did it, under the watch of both parties.
TCB
"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
>see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
>colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>
>2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show some
>leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what the
>republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as the
>republicans have been.
>
>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>
>Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
is a
>scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a then
>Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed. trial
>involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He is one
of
>a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is Pelosi going
>to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted* vermin?
>
>I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a
"put
>up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that they
>will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put them over
>the top.
>
>If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for
a
>presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
out
>in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in two
>years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency in
>2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>concerned.
>
> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
>doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
they
>keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all hat,
no
>cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what they're
>gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough now that
>they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never had.
>;o)
>
>"j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>
>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>
>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>
>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>
>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>> orientation, or first language.
>>
>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>
>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>> own party.
>>
>>
>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>
>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>
>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>
>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>
>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>
>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>
>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>> Let's go.
>>
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75710 is a reply to message #75704] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 08:16 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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I think that's a good assessment Thad - I agree with you. We are much more
directly impacted and influenced by the market/economy than political
leadership. After all, money pays the bills, not political platforms (in
overly simplistic terms at least).
Dedric
On 11/9/06 9:38 AM, in article 45534b87$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
>
> I don't think presidents can wreck economies. A Fed chairman can, but I don't
> think a president can. And say what you will about bubba, but at the end
> of his reign of terror we had a budget surplus and a much smaller trade
> deficit.
>
>
> Now then, in the eighties the Japanese equivalent of the fed was terrified
> of unemployment so it made credit absurdly easy to get. Eventually, if enough
> cheap money is sloshing around it will smash up against something that is
> truly finite like, oh, say, land. So small chunks of downtown Tokyo were
> worth more than Delaware. Then, for various reasons interest rates had to
> go up and there was a massive bloodletting in the real estate markets. Sound
> familiar? Unky Greenspan did it, under the watch of both parties.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
>
>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
>
>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>
>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show some
>
>> leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what the
>> republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as the
>
>> republicans have been.
>>
>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>
>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>
>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>
>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>
>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>
>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
> is a
>> scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a then
>
>> Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed. trial
>
>> involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He is one
> of
>> a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is Pelosi going
>
>> to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted* vermin?
>>
>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a
> "put
>> up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that they
>
>> will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put them over
>
>> the top.
>>
>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>
>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for
> a
>> presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
> out
>> in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in two
>
>> years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency in
>
>> 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>> concerned.
>>
>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
>
>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
> they
>> keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all hat,
> no
>> cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what they're
>
>> gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough now that
>
>> they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never had.
>> ;o)
>>
>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>
>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>
>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>
>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>
>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>
>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our country.
>>>
>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>
>>> own party.
>>>
>>>
>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>
>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>
>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>
>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>
>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they succumb
>
>>> to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>
>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>
>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>> Let's go.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Thu, 09 November 2006 09:24 |
gene lennon
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"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>
>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>
This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
old. The numbers are much worse now.
Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with trillions
of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we have
placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger of
working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
But… To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush years.
Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
“Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively taking
most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with savings,
bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More than
any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
the kindness of strangers.”
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
Gene
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75718 is a reply to message #75712] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 09:19 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
trillions
of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
them into the position they are in nowadays?
>It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we need
>a constant flow of mideast
oil to keep our economy going.<
I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
when we had the time to di something about it, especially upon having had
ward publicly declared on this country by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to
do? Are the Democrats going to solve this? In order to do so, we need to
become energy independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when
all domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old, depleted oil
and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas solutions that *are
proven* could bring this about within the next 5 years are off the table?
I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is 15
years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party in
power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign
of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
Regards,
DJ
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:4553565b$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>
>>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>
>>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>economy,
>
>>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>
>>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>effective,
>
>>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>
>
> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
> old. The numbers are much worse now.
> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
> trillions
> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
> have
> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger of
> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
> years.
> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>
>
> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
> taking
> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
> savings,
> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
> than
> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
> the kindness of strangers."
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>
> Gene
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75719 is a reply to message #75712] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 10:24 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>
>>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>
>>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>
>>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>
>>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>
>>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>
>
>This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
>old. The numbers are much worse now.
>Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with trillions
>of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we have
>placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
of
>working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
> But… To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
>our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush years.
>Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>
>
>“Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively taking
>most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with savings,
>bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
>the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More than
>any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
>the kindness of strangers.”
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>
>Gene
>
This is true. Bush is responsible for many things. What you are missing
is, that there are two parties running our government, not just Bush! The
two parties are both bad! We have things like this because of both parties.
You are falling right in to what they want, what they create and perpetuate,
the finger pointing. They are both corrupt, they both made back room dirty
deals and sold US out! Both Parties are responsible for where are country
is. The day the people of this country stop the blame game and realize the
truth and fire all of these career politician rat bastards, the better off
this country will be.
The 527s and the lobby groups have to go first. The electoral college is
second. We need to count the exact vote of the people some how, and I don't
care if it takes a month.
The system is broken, and patching it with the same kind of people (Democrats)
is not going to fix it. We need real change, and that can only be done by
WE THE PEOPLE!!!
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75721 is a reply to message #75712] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 10:40 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I've spent the last few years working in one of the most successful money
managing organizations in history, so I follow markets (willingly or not)
on a daily basis. The petrodollar thing is just nonsense. The rest of what
you say, about foreigners holding massive amounts of US debt, is true. I
don't necessarily think it's all that much worse to have Japanese banks hold
that debt instead of US banks, and those banks are so internationalized it
might not make any difference. The real problem, though, is that we have
that massive debt in the first place, no matter who holds it. And that debt
is just our governmental debt, no the personal debt and interest only loans
that have been written. But if tomorrow the Euro is used for some percentage
of oil transactions the world won't end, and the US won't be massively changed.
TCB
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>
>>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>
>>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good economy,
>
>>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>
>>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not effective,
>
>>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>
>
>This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
>old. The numbers are much worse now.
>Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with trillions
>of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we have
>placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
of
>working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
> But… To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
>our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush years.
>Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>
>
>“Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively taking
>most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with savings,
>bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
>the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More than
>any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
>the kindness of strangers.”
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>
>Gene
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75723 is a reply to message #75669] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 10:34 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Really? That sounds like no benefit of the doubt whatsoever.
What I'm hearing from you, Deej, seems like an echo of the constant
drumbeat of Democrat hating and bashing put forth by special interest
influenced and poorly researched (but cheap to produce) talk radio and
TV blather that are to journalism as shit is to caviar.
Now, some of your repeated Democrat bashing may well be deserved, but it
sounds like rehashed propaganda because there is almost nothing positive
in what you say about the Democrats, almost nothing negative about the
Republicans, and especially because the same talking points keep coming up.
-Hiding behind "Bush Bashing" and "Bush Hating" Bush-as-victim
accusations as if there are no reasonable areas to disagree with the
policies and performance of the current government, (which by the way
includes three branches, not just the executive). This is a very slanted
interpretation of events and of the actions of the electorate in this
election.
-Meanwhile bashing Clinton, blaming Clinton and Clinton hate in ironic
amounts. While ignoring all Republican components to government during
his 8 years in office, and ignoring all that came before and since. This
is also a very slanted interpretation of current events.
-Projecting every mistake and misstep of the Republicans onto the
Democrats. As if the Republicans can do no wrong and Democrats can do no
right.
-For that matter, making this about the political parties instead of
the individuals involved.
Personally, I think there are competent/trustworthy and
incompetent/corrupt people in both parties. And unethical people running
the propaganda machines whose talking points you seem to be repeating.
It might help to turn off the TV and radio for a couple of months (at
least the one-winged variety), write a long letter to your congressfolk
about your concerns, and see if you can truly give the next congress the
benefit of the doubt while they get to work. There's a lot that needs to
be done.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
>> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>>
>> Cheers,
>
> The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with no
> agenda whatsoever.
>
> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
> managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
> Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
> ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions, no
> plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
>
> I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats for
> pulling it off.
>
> Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
> already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are in the
> bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow the
> liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will not be
> supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners were
> the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever. They
> make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their minds
> to it.
>
> ;o)
>
>
>
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting to
>>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their true
>>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>>
>>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just as
>>> the republicans have been.
>>>
>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is
>>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a
>>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a Fed.
>>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe. He
>>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office. Is
>>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>>> vermin?
>>>
>>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in a
>>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that
>>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put
>>> them over the top.
>>>
>>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try for
>>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
>>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses in
>>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>>> concerned.
>>>
>>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of the
>>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
>>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all
>>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about what
>>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never
>>> had.
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>>
>>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>>
>>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>>
>>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>>
>>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>>> country.
>>>>
>>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in our
>>>> own party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>>
>>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>
>>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>>
>>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>>
>>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>>
>>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>>> Let's go.
>>>>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75724 is a reply to message #75718] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 10:44 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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DJ wrote:
> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
> trillions
> of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>
> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
> them into the position they are in nowadays?
Nixon.
>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we need
>> a constant flow of mideast
> oil to keep our economy going.<
>
> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
> when we had the time to di something about it,
Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there was no
problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years (Reagan, Bush1,
Clinton, Bush2).
Gore probably would have tried to do something.
> especially upon having had
> ward publicly declared on this country by Al Qaeda. So what are we going to
> do? Are the Democrats going to solve this? In order to do so, we need to
> become energy independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when
> all domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old, depleted oil
> and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas solutions that *are
> proven* could bring this about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>
> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is 15
> years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party in
> power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign
> of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time for
better policies to help, as you say.
We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
>
> DJ
>
>
> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:4553565b$1@linux...
>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>> economy,
>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>> effective,
>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>> trillions
>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
>> have
>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger of
>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
>> years.
>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>>
>>
>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
>> taking
>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
>> savings,
>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
>> than
>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
>> the kindness of strangers."
>>
>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75725 is a reply to message #75682] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 10:46 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I have a good mattress, I'll happily store your excess cash and stuff. :^)
Historically, the investment climate has been good and bad under the
leadership of both major parties, so I can probably come up with an
investment strategy better than a mattress no matter who's in power...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>> The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with
> no
>> agenda whatsoever.
>>
>> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING.
>
> Well, in all fairness to the Dems, they DO have a mandate...
> a mandate for "change", even if that change isn't very
> well-defined at all. So we sell all our stocks & mutual funds,
> stuff our money in a mattress somewhere & watch the economy
> plunge into the shitter, and wait a few years 'til the
> Republicans get back in power on the next cycle of "change",
> and then maybe we can start all over again.
>
> Neil
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75727 is a reply to message #75672] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 11:00 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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no wrote:
> Look at what they did to Lieberman when he didn't tow the line.
The "they" in that case was the Democratic voters voting in their own
state primary. Local voters have the right to choose their candidate and
Lieberman did not win the primary.
However, Lieberman won as an independent in the election. So overall the
state's voters still chose him over the candidate the state's Democrats
preferred. Lieberman is in a very good position now, as a potential tie
breaker vote in a close Senate.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>>> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
>
>>> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>> The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with
> no
>> agenda whatsoever.
>>
>> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
>
>> managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
>
>> Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
>> ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions,
> no
>> plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
>>
>> I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats for
>
>> pulling it off.
>>
>> Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
>
>> already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are in
> the
>> bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow the
>
>> liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will not
> be
>> supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners were
>
>> the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever. They
>
>> make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their minds
>
>> to it.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>
> Look at what they did to Lieberman when he didn't tow the line.
>>
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won by
>
>>>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting
> to
>>>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their
> true
>>>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>>>
>>>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>
>>>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>
>>>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just
> as
>>>> the republicans have been.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>
>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>
>>>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it
> is
>>>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>
>>>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>
>>>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>
>>>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by a
>
>>>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about a
> Fed.
>>>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe.
> He
>>>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office.
> Is
>>>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>
>>>> vermin?
>>>>
>>>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be in
> a
>>>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility that
>
>>>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who put
>
>>>> them over the top.
>>>>
>>>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>
>>>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try
> for
>>>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>
>>>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we swept
>
>>>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses
> in
>>>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>
>>>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives are
>
>>>> concerned.
>>>>
>>>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of
> the
>>>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet but
>
>>>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's all
>
>>>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about
> what
>>>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>
>>>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they never
>
>>>> had.
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>>>
>>>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>
>>>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>>>> country.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in
> our
>>>>> own party.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>>>> Let's go.
>>>>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75728 is a reply to message #75718] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 12:01 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Bolton is as good as gone. Wait till you see the wormy grease ball they will
replace him with. The world sees everything stupid we do as weakness. We
need somebody with a backbone that is strong. If we want respect, we need
to have the right people in place. In other words, people like Rice needs
to go.
"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>trillions
>of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>
>Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
>them into the position they are in nowadays?
>
>>It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we need
>>a constant flow of mideast
>oil to keep our economy going.<
>
>I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
>when we had the time to di something about it, especially upon having had
>ward publicly declared on this country by Al Qaeda. So what are we going
to
>do? Are the Democrats going to solve this? In order to do so, we need to
>become energy independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when
>all domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old, depleted
oil
>and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas solutions that *are
>proven* could bring this about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>
>I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is
15
>years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party in
>power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign
>of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>
>>>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>
>>>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>economy,
>>
>>>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>>
>>>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>>effective,
>>
>>>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>>
>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>> trillions
>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
>> have
>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
of
>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence
on
>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
>> years.
>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>>
>>
>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
>> taking
>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
>> savings,
>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
>> than
>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically,
on
>> the kindness of strangers."
>>
>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75730 is a reply to message #75724] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 11:28 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:455374c4@linux...
> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
Jamie,
Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over 3,000
innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo jet into our
Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some passengers, almost flew a
jumbo jet into our White House or Capital Building? Those wacky terroists?
Maybe it's that wacky president over in Iran who wants to "wipe Isreal from
the face of the planet". You know, the one enriching all the uranium. I
disagree with plenty of the Republicans and the Presidents actions,
policies, etc., but being tough with terroists is one area we can't waiver.
These people want to kill us. I'm affraid nothing short of a few smuggled in
soviet nukes going off is going to make this clear to people. Too bad it'll
be too late at that point. Sorry for the drama, but this one thing more than
any other scares me sick.
Tony
> DJ wrote:
>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>> trillions
>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>>
>> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
>> them into the position they are in nowadays?
>
> Nixon.
>
>
>>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we
>>> need a constant flow of mideast
>> oil to keep our economy going.<
>>
>> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
>> when we had the time to di something about it,
>
> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there was no
> problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years (Reagan, Bush1,
> Clinton, Bush2).
>
> Gore probably would have tried to do something.
>
>
>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this country by Al
>> Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the Democrats going to solve this?
>> In order to do so, we need to become energy independent *as
>> in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when all domestic energy options
>> other than drilling for oil in old, depleted oil and gas reservoirs here
>> are off the table whereas solutions that *are proven* could bring this
>> about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>>
>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is
>> 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party
>> in power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a
>> sign of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
>
> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time for
> better policies to help, as you say.
>
> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DJ
>>
>>
>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>> news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton
>>>> destroyed,
>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>> economy,
>>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>>> challenge.
>>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>>> effective,
>>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>
>>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a
>>> half
>>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>>> trillions
>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
>>> have
>>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
>>> of
>>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
>>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
>>> years.
>>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
>>> taking
>>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
>>> savings,
>>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even
>>> though
>>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
>>> than
>>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
>>> the kindness of strangers."
>>>
>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75732 is a reply to message #75727] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 12:27 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>no wrote:
> > Look at what they did to Lieberman when he didn't tow the line.
>
>The "they" in that case was the Democratic voters voting in their own
>state primary. Local voters have the right to choose their candidate and
>Lieberman did not win the primary.
>
>However, Lieberman won as an independent in the election. So overall the
>state's voters still chose him over the candidate the state's Democrats
>preferred. Lieberman is in a very good position now, as a potential tie
>breaker vote in a close Senate.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
Leiberman was a incumbent, the Democratic party allowed and supported people
running against him.
Hebrewman was looking out for Israel by supporting the Iraq war. He doesn't
want it spilling over in to Israel. Insurgents (terrorists) with nothing
to do pouring in to israel wouldn't be good for Israel.
The truth is, the US needs to stop supporting Israel. They have the bomb,
and they have god on their side, they don't need US. This would clear up
a lot of our middle east problems.
>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4552a0da@linux...
>>>> You sound a bit grumpy, Deej. Interesting version of events and harsh
>>
>>>> conjecture. When does that benefit of the doubt actually kick in?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>> The democrats have taken control of the house (at least right now) with
>> no
>>> agenda whatsoever.
>>>
>>> They actually don't have a mandate from the voters to do ANYTHING. They
>>
>>> managed to manipulate the voters with a constant drumbeat of hatred against
>>
>>> Bush and turned that into a win. And now they think don't have to do
>>> ANYTHING. They didn't promise to do anything, they offered no solutions,
>> no
>>> plans, nothing.. just used hatred for bush to get back into power.
>>>
>>> I find that more than a little scary..but I sure applaud the democrats
for
>>
>>> pulling it off.
>>>
>>> Reality is that these *conservative* Democrats *owe* the liberal leadership
>>
>>> already. Pelosi orchestrated this and these freshman congessfolk are
in
>> the
>>> bag....mere window dressing to put a moderate face on. Unless they tow
the
>>
>>> liberal line, they will get nowhere as *career politicians* and will
not
>> be
>>> supported next election by the Dem power structure so the real winners
were
>>
>>> the manipulative leftist power structure. It's diabolically clever.
They
>>
>>> make guys like Carl Rove seem like rank amateurs when they put their
minds
>>
>>> to it.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>
>> Look at what they did to Lieberman when he didn't tow the line.
>>>
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> 1. It was sort of interesting to see that the Democratic party won
by
>>
>>>>> running many conservative candidates. It will be even more interesting
>> to
>>>>> see if they were really conservatives or if they will now show their
>> true
>>>>> colors and march in lockstep with the left wing power structure.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The democratic leadership will need to actually be expected to show
>>
>>>>> some leadership instead of just carping about how they don't like what
>>
>>>>> the republicans are doing. They will be held accountable finally, just
>> as
>>>>> the republicans have been.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>
>>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>>> economy, the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>
>>>>> challenge. They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if
it
>> is
>>>>> not effective, the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having this party in charge of the House intelligence committee (again)
>>
>>>>> is a scary thought. Alcee Hastings may be heading the House Intelligence
>>
>>>>> Committee. He was once a Fed. judge in Florida who was impeached by
a
>>
>>>>> then Democratic (!) Congress in the 80's for leaking secrets about
a
>> Fed.
>>>>> trial involving a big-time drug ring and accepting a $150,000 bribe.
>> He
>>>>> is one of a very few federal judges ever to be removed from office.
>> Is
>>>>> Pelosi going to drain the swamp only to repopulate it with *convicted*
>>
>>>>> vermin?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the good thing about this is that they are now going to be
in
>> a
>>>>> "put up or shut up" situation and there is at least the possibility
that
>>
>>>>> they will be called on their whining by the independent voters who
put
>>
>>>>> them over the top.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they are truly as clueless as they appear to be and if they do things
>>
>>>>> like appoint Hastings, start wrecking the economy (a la Rangel), try
>> for
>>>>> a presidential impeachment and cut funding for Iraq, it will be quickly
>>
>>>>> obvious that they are the same old tired socialist flotsam that we
swept
>>
>>>>> out in the 90's and they will be tossed out on their respective arsses
>> in
>>>>> two years rather than 4 years (as would happen if they won the presidency
>>
>>>>> in 2008). This may be the best of two evils as far as conservatives
are
>>
>>>>> concerned.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll hold my breath for a little while and give them the benefit of
>> the
>>>>> doubt. They haven't had one constructive (realistic) idea as of yet
but
>>
>>>>> they keep hinting around that they do. It's now time to see if it's
all
>>
>>>>> hat, no cowboy and it seems that now, when they are questioned about
>> what
>>>>> they're gonna do, they can't scoot backwards on their asses fast enough
>>
>>>>> now that they will be expected to come up with *the plan* that they
never
>>
>>>>> had.
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "j-cron" <jcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45524f64$1@linux...
>>>>>> Dear dismayed conservatives:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hereby make these promises to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will protect your lives and livelihoods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will listen to and respect your beliefs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual
>>
>>>>>> orientation, or first language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will do our best to reduce the number of abortions in our
>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will have no tolerance for corruption and cronyism, even in
>> our
>>>>>> own party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ESPECIALLY in our own party.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will never tell you that you are unpatriotic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will never tell you that your opinion doesn't count.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will never waste your lives for power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We will hold our leaders to a high ethical standard and when they
>>>>>> succumb to lust for power, WE WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we forget this, please, please, please, remind us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need you to do this. You are America as much as we are.
>>>>>> Let's go.
>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75734 is a reply to message #75731] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 12:50 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Neil are you rich$$.Are you a millionair or a hundred thousand air?? Bush
>gave a tax break to the wealthy a nd not the lower or middle class, which
>where I sit.
That's pure bullshit! With the tax cuts, if you have children you are getting
a lot more money back than you did in the former administration. Most Americans
got more money back because of the tax cuts, including you LaMont! The rich
will always be able to get out of paying a lot of taxes by percentage. Both
parties have seen to that. Quit kidding your self. Your stuck in the blame
game, you need to see the truth. WE have the best government MONEY CAN BUY!
There should be no income taxes! There is no true representation. It was
a war time thing that the politicians wouldn't let go of once the greedy
bastards got their hands on the money. Let stop paying for IRS agents!!!!
If there is an income tax really needed, it should be a strait fair flat
tax. What is currently considered poverty levels should be raised to realistic
levels. People that are at a poverty level should not have to pay any taxes.
>
>I made much more money under Clinton than Bush 43..The economy in my neck
>of the woods stinks!!
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>P.S.
>>>The dem do have an agenda and that is to make Bush's las 2 >years a Lame-Duck
>>>living hell
>>
>>Oh yeah, that's REAL productive. That'll get us EVERYWHERE!
>> (not)
>>
>>>AND stop the use of FEAR (Foxnews) to control the electorate..
>>
>>How? By using CNN & Chris Matthews to control the electorate?
>>
>>>More power to them !!
>>
>>And to their "tax everything that moves & when it stops moving
>>tax it's offspring" economic strategy... thanks, LaMont - you
>>make me want to go back to earning no more than $10k a year
>>again just so I can have all the social welfare advantages that
>>I'll now start paying even more for, starting - oh, probably
>>tomorrow.
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75736 is a reply to message #75730] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 12:15 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I'm referring to any US leader who bases their policy on pleasing or not
pleasing terrorists.
IOW, anyone who fails to take worthwhile action because of a perception
that it will make them "seem weak" to someone else, is not smart enough
to be running foreign policy.
In individual cases it may or may not make sense to employ diplomacy and
negotiation. That judgment cannot be wisely made by anyone who lets
themselves be controlled by knee-jerk thinking.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Tony Benson wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:455374c4@linux...
>
>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>
> Jamie,
>
> Are you referring to those few wacky terroists who killed over 3,000
> innocent people in the World Trade Centers, crashed a jumbo jet into our
> Pentagon, and, but for the extreme courage of some passengers, almost flew a
> jumbo jet into our White House or Capital Building? Those wacky terroists?
> Maybe it's that wacky president over in Iran who wants to "wipe Isreal from
> the face of the planet". You know, the one enriching all the uranium. I
> disagree with plenty of the Republicans and the Presidents actions,
> policies, etc., but being tough with terroists is one area we can't waiver.
> These people want to kill us. I'm affraid nothing short of a few smuggled in
> soviet nukes going off is going to make this clear to people. Too bad it'll
> be too late at that point. Sorry for the drama, but this one thing more than
> any other scares me sick.
>
> Tony
>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>>> trillions
>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>>>
>>> Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
>>> them into the position they are in nowadays?
>> Nixon.
>>
>>
>>>> It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we
>>>> need a constant flow of mideast
>>> oil to keep our economy going.<
>>>
>>> I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
>>> when we had the time to di something about it,
>> Carter did, but we voted him out and effectively pretended there was no
>> problem with our oil dependency for the next 22 years (Reagan, Bush1,
>> Clinton, Bush2).
>>
>> Gore probably would have tried to do something.
>>
>>
>>> especially upon having had ward publicly declared on this country by Al
>>> Qaeda. So what are we going to do? Are the Democrats going to solve this?
>>> In order to do so, we need to become energy independent *as
>>> in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when all domestic energy options
>>> other than drilling for oil in old, depleted oil and gas reservoirs here
>>> are off the table whereas solutions that *are proven* could bring this
>>> about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>>>
>>> I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is
>>> 15 years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party
>>> in power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a
>>> sign of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
>> Energy policy needs immediate attention. And some amount of time for
>> better policies to help, as you say.
>>
>> We also need leadership that won't let the wacky beliefs of a few
>> terrorists directly control their course of action (or inaction).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>>> 3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton
>>>>> destroyed,
>>>>> and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>>> economy,
>>>>> the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic
>>>>> challenge.
>>>>> They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>>>> effective,
>>>>> the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>>>
>>>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a
>>>> half
>>>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>>>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>>>> trillions
>>>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
>>>> have
>>>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>>>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
>>>> of
>>>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>>>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence on
>>>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
>>>> years.
>>>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>>>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
>>>> taking
>>>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>>>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
>>>> savings,
>>>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even
>>>> though
>>>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
>>>> than
>>>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically, on
>>>> the kindness of strangers."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
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| Re: message from democrats [message #75737 is a reply to message #75718] |
Thu, 09 November 2006 13:31 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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You know more about energy than I ever will, but from what I read clean energy
is way, way, way off as a viable replacement for hydrocarbons. Obviously
it's a great idea to get the ball rolling, for political and environmental
reasons, but it's going to be a long time. I'm also personally all for exploiting
domestic energy stores AS LONG AS THEY ARE TIED TO CONSERVATION PROGRAMS.
And they should be paid for by gas taxes so all the soccer moms I see driving
a Ford Explorer 'Osama Special' on I-95 will be footing the bill for their
largess.
As far as negotiating with terrorists, the US has no only negotiated with
terrorists before we have trained, paid, and provisioned terrorists all over
the world. Sometimes we trained actual insurgents (Nicaragua), sometimes
irregular state supported terrorists (El Salvador, Iran), sometimes actual
open state terror (Dominican Republic). Ironically, or tragically depending
on your opinion, Saddam was one of the bloodthirsty state mass murderers
we funded for a very long time and Osama (along with nearly every thug in
Afghanistan at one point or another) was greatly helped by US and US approved
Pakistani money and training. So we're fine with terrorists on a moral and
practical level, and have treated with them constantly since at least WW
II, we just don't like being the recipient of the terror.
TCB
"DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>trillions
>of dollars borrowed from countries like China?
>
>Absolutely not....and who praytell, gave China the jumpstart that vaulted
>them into the position they are in nowadays?
>
>>It's bad enough that we have placed ourselves in the position that we need
>>a constant flow of mideast
>oil to keep our economy going.<
>
>I agree. A president with some foresight would have recognized this back
>when we had the time to di something about it, especially upon having had
>ward publicly declared on this country by Al Qaeda. So what are we going
to
>do? Are the Democrats going to solve this? In order to do so, we need to
>become energy independent *as in..yesterday*. Now how to go about that when
>all domestic energy options other than drilling for oil in old, depleted
oil
>and gas reservoirs here are off the table whereas solutions that *are
>proven* could bring this about within the next 5 years are off the table?
>
>I'm all for clean energy. enough clean energy to sustain t\our economy is
15
>years away, at least. We don't have 15 years...especially with a party in
>power that is willing to negotiate with terrorists, which to them is a sign
>of weakness. They will be encouraged by this.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:4553565b$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <no@way.jack> wrote:
>>>
>>>3. Since the republicans have rebuilt the economy that Clinton destroyed,
>>
>>>and it usually takes the democrats at least 4 years to wreck a good
>>>economy,
>>
>>>the border control issue is going to be their biggest domestic challenge.
>>
>>>They are going to have to carry the ball on this and if it is not
>>>effective,
>>
>>>the responsibility will fall in their lap.
>>>
>>
>> This is from an article in the New Yorker that is about a year and a half
>> old. The numbers are much worse now.
>> Are you really happy that our economy is artificially propped up with
>> trillions
>> of dollars borrowed from countries like China? It's bad enough that we
>> have
>> placed ourselves in the position that we need a constant flow of mideast
>> oil to keep our economy going. Very few Americans understand the danger
of
>> working under the threat of petrodollar conversion. (
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar).
>> But. To also be so far in debt to China that they have REAL influence
on
>> our policies is unconscionable. This is the hidden economy of the Bush
>> years.
>> Funny but it has been very good for The Carlyle Group and Halliburton.
>>
>>
>> "Last year, Asian countries invested almost four hundred billion dollars
>> in the United States, mostly in government bonds. China is effectively
>> taking
>> most of its excess national savings and lending it to the United States.
>> The Japanese, who despite their creaking economy remain flush with
>> savings,
>> bought a quarter trillion dollars of American debt last year, even though
>> the interest is lousy and the assets themselves are losing value. More
>> than
>> any other nation in history, the United States depends, economically,
on
>> the kindness of strangers."
>>
>> http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050418ta_talk _surowiecki
>>
>> Gene
>>
>
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