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| OT : Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91674] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 10:31  |
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Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from the
house!!)..
I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch monitor),
playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN... A Hot
Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new iMacs..These
are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss, Separate
Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted more
real world looking faders)..
That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording functionality..
Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic 8,
but the one screen thing is very cool..
The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from Nuendo/Cubase..
Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close 2..
Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing while
I'm typing this post..
Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking audio/edit...Then,
mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this is
only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours straight..
Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain this
app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
instruments with having logic running..
I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get a 30
percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how you
cut it.
Impressed!!
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91675 is a reply to message #91674] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 10:54  |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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LaMont,
Does Logic have:
Automatic delay compensation
The ability to integrate VSTi like Native instruments, Synthogy Ivory and if
I were to get a dual socket quad Mac, can logic utilize 16 GB of RAM if
it's available?
Does it support UAD-1 cards?
I'm assuming that it has the ability to patch in external hardware
processors?
What control surfaces does it support?
The OS is 64 bit, right?
I'm just wondering what kind of $$ it would take to get a superDAW these
days.......
$6k for the monsterMAC (maybe more)
RME MADI PCIe (after selling my Madi PCI-probably another $300.00
RME AES-32 PCIe )after selling my AES 32PCI-probably another $150.00
A PCIe>PCI GE Fanuc chassis for my UAD-1 cards $2000.00
Another control surface to replace my Steiny Houston-$1000.00
$10,000-$12,000 most likely
Hmmm.........not being critical or doing my typical "Mac slam" here. those
days are over for me now that MS has managed to deliver something even worse
(wait......was that another Mac slam??? :o)
I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no PCI
slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me is
the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's is
inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be pretty
much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving to
Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple. Kudos
to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU issues
sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's, it's
going to probably get quite a few converts.
D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>
> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from
> the
> house!!)..
>
> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
> monitor),
> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN... A
> Hot
> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>
> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
> iMacs..These
> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
> Separate
> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>
> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted more
> real world looking faders)..
> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
> functionality..
>
>
> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic 8,
> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>
> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
> Nuendo/Cubase..
> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close 2..
>
>
> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>
> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
> while
> I'm typing this post..
>
> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>
> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
> audio/edit...Then,
> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this is
> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
> straight..
>
> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
> this
> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
> instruments with having logic running..
>
> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get a 30
> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>
> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>
> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how you
> cut it.
>
> Impressed!!
>
>
>
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| Re: OT : Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91676 is a reply to message #91674] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 11:24 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Come on James, stop posting under a pseudonym!
;-) hehehe
David.
LaMont wrote:
> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from the
> house!!)..
>
> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch monitor),
> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN... A Hot
> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>
> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new iMacs..These
> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss, Separate
> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>
> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted more
> real world looking faders)..
> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording functionality..
>
>
> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic 8,
> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>
> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from Nuendo/Cubase..
> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close 2..
>
>
> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>
> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing while
> I'm typing this post..
>
> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>
> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking audio/edit...Then,
> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this is
> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours straight..
>
> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain this
> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
> instruments with having logic running..
>
> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get a 30
> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>
> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>
> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how you
> cut it.
>
> Impressed!!
>
>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91677 is a reply to message #91675] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 12:14 |
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hey DJ,
-Yes, Delay Compensation thruout.
-16 core ready with the upcoming Lepoard
-Uad cards-Yes (via PCIe slots)
-External ffx patching..Yes. With Delay Comp
-Mackie Control Surface ready,Euphonix (Big Time), Tascam 32/4800, yamaha
02r, 01x, dm2000
-Lepoard 64 bit, but can run 32 bit apps..
This imac cost $2499.00 list from apple. Nice box.
I have a new Mac intel Tower 8 core. I have waited to load since I new that
something was comming down the pipeline.
I got a great deal on it..Say 2k..The, I loaded up the (3) remaining drive
trays (500 gig each bay)..
Since Apogee lowered the price of the symphony cards (795 list) I've been
leaning that way, but the Lynx LX 16/w rme hammerfall pcie card vs the Apogee
Sympny Ad16x.
Plus, with Lepoard's boot camp can run MS vista if you like. My point, with
these new macs, you can have the bes of both worlds..
As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting a little
cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products we
were hoping for. Ek has pointed out some of Yammmy's stategic future moves,
but to me they look a little like M-Lan(ish) ..Good on paper, but lacks substance.
can't count out Digi. Say what you want about Digi, but like Paris, they
offer a complete profesional studio solution with great mixer controllers,
especially the new C24. With the upcoming argosy console droping for the
new conroller, and HD2 acel..Yes, PT7.4 with it's very cool elastc audio
feature.
So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
of their MC5 controller.
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>LaMont,
>
>Does Logic have:
>
>Automatic delay compensation
>The ability to integrate VSTi like Native instruments, Synthogy Ivory and
if
>I were to get a dual socket quad Mac, can logic u g tilize 16 GB of RAM
if
>it's available?
>Does it support UAD-1 cards?
>I'm assuming that it has the ability to patch in external hardware
>processors?
>What control surfaces does it support?
>The OS is 64 bit, right?
>
>I'm just wondering what kind of $$ it would take to get a superDAW these
>days.......
>
>$6k for the monsterMAC (maybe more)
>RME MADI PCIe (after selling my Madi PCI-probably another $300.00
>RME AES-32 PCIe )after selling my AES 32PCI-probably another $150.00
>A PCIe>PCI GE Fanuc chassis for my UAD-1 cards $2000.00
>Another control surface to replace my Steiny Houston-$1000.00
>$10,000-$12,000 most likely
>
>Hmmm.........not being critical or doing my typical "Mac slam" here. those
>days are over for me now that MS has managed to deliver something even worse
>(wait......was that another Mac slam??? :o)
>
>I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no
PCI
>slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me
is
>the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
is
>inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be pretty
>much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving to
>Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple. Kudos
>to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU issues
>sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
it's
>going to probably get quite a few converts.
>
>D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from
>> the
>> house!!)..
>>
>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>> monitor),
>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
A
>> Hot
>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>
>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>> iMacs..These
>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>> Separate
>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>
>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
more
>> real world looking faders)..
>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>> functionality..
>>
>>
>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
8,
>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>
>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
2..
>>
>>
>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>
>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>> while
>> I'm typing this post..
>>
>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>
>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>> audio/edit...Then,
>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
is
>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>> straight..
>>
>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>> this
>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>> instruments with having logic running..
>>
>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
a 30
>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>
>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>>
>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
you
>> cut it.
>>
>> Impressed!!
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OT : Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91678 is a reply to message #91676] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 12:15 |
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No, it's really me..
EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>Come on James, stop posting under a pseudonym!
>
>;-) hehehe
>
>David.
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from
the
>> house!!)..
>>
>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
monitor),
>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
A Hot
>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>
>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new iMacs..These
>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss, Separate
>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>
>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
more
>> real world looking faders)..
>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording functionality..
>>
>>
>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
8,
>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>
>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from Nuendo/Cubase..
>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
2..
>>
>>
>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>
>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
while
>> I'm typing this post..
>>
>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>
>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
audio/edit...Then,
>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
is
>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
straight..
>>
>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
this
>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>> instruments with having logic running..
>>
>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
a 30
>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>
>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>>
>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
you
>> cut it.
>>
>> Impressed!!
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91681 is a reply to message #91677] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 14:11 |
Gene Lennon[4]
Messages: 26
Registered: November 2006
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Junior Member |
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
"-External ffx patching..Yes. With Delay Comp"
Not yet!
The external patch point is fine - just like in Paris, but no Delay Comp
on external effects yet. Still...
It’s easy to get around this. I will supply details if you like, and talking
to the Apple/Logic development team post AES…it should be available soon
anyway.
I’m liking Logic 8 a lot.
I’m holding off on a Euphonix MC, till I see the new Euphonix box.
Gene
>hey DJ,
>
>-Yes, Delay Compensation thruout.
>
>-16 core ready with the upcoming Lepoard
>-Uad cards-Yes (via PCIe slots)
>-External ffx patching..Yes. With Delay Comp
>-Mackie Control Surface ready,Euphonix (Big Time), Tascam 32/4800, yamaha
>02r, 01x, dm2000
>
>-Lepoard 64 bit, but can run 32 bit apps..
>
>This imac cost $2499.00 list from apple. Nice box.
>
>I have a new Mac intel Tower 8 core. I have waited to load since I new that
>something was comming down the pipeline.
>
>I got a great deal on it..Say 2k..The, I loaded up the (3) remaining drive
>trays (500 gig each bay)..
>
>Since Apogee lowered the price of the symphony cards (795 list) I've been
>leaning that way, but the Lynx LX 16/w rme hammerfall pcie card vs the Apogee
>Sympny Ad16x.
>
>Plus, with Lepoard's boot camp can run MS vista if you like. My point, with
>these new macs, you can have the bes of both worlds..
>
>As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting a
little
>cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products we
>were hoping for. Ek has pointed out some of Yammmy's stategic future moves,
>but to me they look a little like M-Lan(ish) ..Good on paper, but lacks
substance.
>
>can't count out Digi. Say what you want about Digi, but like Paris, they
>offer a complete profesional studio solution with great mixer controllers,
>especially the new C24. With the upcoming argosy console droping for the
>new conroller, and HD2 acel..Yes, PT7.4 with it's very cool elastc audio
>feature.
>
>So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>of their MC5 controller.
>
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>LaMont,
>>
>>Does Logic have:
>>
>>Automatic delay compensation
>>The ability to integrate VSTi like Native instruments, Synthogy Ivory and
>if
>>I were to get a dual socket quad Mac, can logic u g tilize 16 GB of RAM
>if
>>it's available?
>>Does it support UAD-1 cards?
>>I'm assuming that it has the ability to patch in external hardware
>>processors?
>>What control surfaces does it support?
>>The OS is 64 bit, right?
>>
>>I'm just wondering what kind of $$ it would take to get a superDAW these
>
>>days.......
>>
>>$6k for the monsterMAC (maybe more)
>>RME MADI PCIe (after selling my Madi PCI-probably another $300.00
>>RME AES-32 PCIe )after selling my AES 32PCI-probably another $150.00
>>A PCIe>PCI GE Fanuc chassis for my UAD-1 cards $2000.00
>>Another control surface to replace my Steiny Houston-$1000.00
>>$10,000-$12,000 most likely
>>
>>Hmmm.........not being critical or doing my typical "Mac slam" here. those
>
>>days are over for me now that MS has managed to deliver something even
worse
>
>>(wait......was that another Mac slam??? :o)
>>
>>I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no
>PCI
>>slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me
>is
>>the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>is
>>inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>
>>this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be pretty
>
>>much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
to
>
>>Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple. Kudos
>
>>to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU issues
>
>>sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>it's
>>going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>
>>D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from
>
>>> the
>>> house!!)..
>>>
>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>
>>> monitor),
>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>A
>>> Hot
>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>
>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>> iMacs..These
>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>> Separate
>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>
>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>more
>>> real world looking faders)..
>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
Logic
>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>> functionality..
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
one
>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>8,
>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>
>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>2..
>>>
>>>
>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>
>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>
>>> while
>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>
>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>
>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>is
>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>
>>> straight..
>>>
>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>
>>> this
>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>
>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>a 30
>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>
>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>>>
>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
>you
>>> cut it.
>>>
>>> Impressed!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91683 is a reply to message #91677] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 15:24 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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|
On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting a little
> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products we
N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but otherwise
running well here.
DJ -
The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem with
N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
fairly soon.
Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested I'll
post something next week.)
Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in some
Cubase 4 xml code....
>
> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
> of their MC5 controller.
Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
http://euphonix.com/artist/
Dedric
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no
> PCI
>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me
> is
>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
> is
>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>
>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be pretty
>
>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving to
>
>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple. Kudos
>
>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU issues
>
>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
> it's
>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>
>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes from
>
>>> the
>>> house!!)..
>>>
>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>
>>> monitor),
>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
> A
>>> Hot
>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>
>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>> iMacs..These
>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>> Separate
>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>
>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
> more
>>> real world looking faders)..
>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old Logic
>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>> functionality..
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the one
>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
> 8,
>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>
>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
> 2..
>>>
>>>
>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>
>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>
>>> while
>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>
>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in that
>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>
>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
> is
>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>
>>> straight..
>>>
>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>
>>> this
>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>
>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
> a 30
>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>
>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro Sp2.
>>>
>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
> you
>>> cut it.
>>>
>>> Impressed!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91684 is a reply to message #91683] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 15:55 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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|
Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
http://euphonix.com/artist/
Dedric
Well, maybe someone finally got a clue that there needs to be a professional
controller with more than 8 x faders for around 5k or less that has what the
Tascam US 24 was lacking.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C33FDC2C.DB69%dterry@keyofd.net...
> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting a
>> little
>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products we
>
> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
> otherwise
> running well here.
>
> DJ -
>
> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem with
> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
> fairly soon.
>
> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
> I'll
> post something next week.)
>
> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in
> some
> Cubase 4 xml code....
>
>>
>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>> of their MC5 controller.
>
> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>
> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>
> Dedric
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no
>> PCI
>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me
>> is
>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>> is
>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>>
>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be
>>> pretty
>>
>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>>> to
>>
>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>> Kudos
>>
>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>>> issues
>>
>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>> it's
>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>
>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>>> from
>>
>>>> the
>>>> house!!)..
>>>>
>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>>
>>>> monitor),
>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>> A
>>>> Hot
>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>
>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>> iMacs..These
>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>> Separate
>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>
>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>> more
>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>>>> Logic
>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>> functionality..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>>>> one
>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>> 8,
>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>
>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>> Sequencer
>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>> 2..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>> improved.
>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>
>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>>> running
>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>
>>>> while
>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>
>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>>>> that
>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>> is
>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>
>>>> straight..
>>>>
>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>
>>>> this
>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>>>> virtual
>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>
>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>> a 30
>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>>>> Sp2.
>>>>
>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
>> you
>>>> cut it.
>>>>
>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91685 is a reply to message #91684] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 16:19 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
On 10/20/07 4:55 PM, in article 471a88cb@linux, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _
dot _ net> wrote:
> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>
> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>
> Dedric
>
> Well, maybe someone finally got a clue that there needs to be a professional
> controller with more than 8 x faders for around 5k or less that has what the
> Tascam US 24 was lacking.
Users have been shouting about it long enough for sure. I added my ditto to
that request long ago. It's really a big missing market. Euphonix may be
the first smart one to pick up on it - kudos to them too if they have,
considering their typical market is usually over $100k.
An MC is still on my wishlist, but not until I see what comes of this unit.
Dedric
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C33FDC2C.DB69%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting a
>>> little
>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products we
>>
>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>> otherwise
>> running well here.
>>
>> DJ -
>>
>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem with
>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>> fairly soon.
>>
>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>> I'll
>> post something next week.)
>>
>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in
>> some
>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>
>>>
>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>
>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>
>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of "no
>>> PCI
>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to me
>>> is
>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>>> is
>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>>>
>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be
>>>> pretty
>>>
>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>>> Kudos
>>>
>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>>>> issues
>>>
>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>> it's
>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>
>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>>>
>>>>> monitor),
>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>> A
>>>>> Hot
>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>> Separate
>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>
>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>> more
>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>>>>> Logic
>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>>>>> one
>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>>> 8,
>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>
>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>> 2..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>> improved.
>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>>>> running
>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>
>>>>> while
>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>> is
>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>
>>>>> straight..
>>>>>
>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>>>>> virtual
>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>>> a 30
>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
>>> you
>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91686 is a reply to message #91684] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 16:39 |
|
|
ok..Now, We're talking. Because Digi's C24 is very sweet.. This should be
what all Cubase, Logic, DP, cakewalk, Nuendo all have been wanting. If the
price is right, and the feature set is not insulting, it's a winner..
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
>to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>
>http://euphonix.com/artist/
>
>Dedric
>
>Well, maybe someone finally got a clue that there needs to be a professional
>controller with more than 8 x faders for around 5k or less that has what
the
>Tascam US 24 was lacking.
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C33FDC2C.DB69%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
a
>>> little
>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
we
>>
>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>> otherwise
>> running well here.
>>
>> DJ -
>>
>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
with
>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>> fairly soon.
>>
>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>> I'll
>> post something next week.)
>>
>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in
>> some
>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>
>>>
>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>
>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>
>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
"no
>>> PCI
>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to
me
>>> is
>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>>> is
>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
have
>>>
>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be
>>>> pretty
>>>
>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>>>> to
>>>
>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>>> Kudos
>>>
>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>>>> issues
>>>
>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>> it's
>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>
>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>>>> from
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
inch
>>>
>>>>> monitor),
>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>> A
>>>>> Hot
>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>> Separate
>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>
>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>> more
>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>>>>> Logic
>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>>>>> one
>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>>> 8,
>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>
>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>> 2..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>> improved.
>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>>>> running
>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>
>>>>> while
>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>>>>> that
>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>> is
>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>
>>>>> straight..
>>>>>
>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>>>>> virtual
>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>>> a 30
>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
how
>>> you
>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91688 is a reply to message #91683] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 16:57 |
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|
Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho. Even,with
Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro Audio
apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac) can
run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX running
on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making a
really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD quad
core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
a little
>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
we
>
>N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but otherwise
>running well here.
>
>DJ -
>
>The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem with
>N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>fairly soon.
>
>Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
I'll
>post something next week.)
>
>Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
>months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in
some
>Cubase 4 xml code....
>
>>
>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>> of their MC5 controller.
>
>Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
>to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>
>http://euphonix.com/artist/
>
>Dedric
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
"no
>> PCI
>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to
me
>> is
>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>> is
>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>>
>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be
pretty
>>
>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
to
>>
>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
Kudos
>>
>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
issues
>>
>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>> it's
>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>
>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
from
>>
>>>> the
>>>> house!!)..
>>>>
>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>>
>>>> monitor),
>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>> A
>>>> Hot
>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>
>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>> iMacs..These
>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>> Separate
>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>
>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>> more
>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
Logic
>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>> functionality..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
one
>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>> 8,
>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>
>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>> 2..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>
>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>
>>>> while
>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>
>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
that
>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>
>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>> is
>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>
>>>> straight..
>>>>
>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>
>>>> this
>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>
>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>> a 30
>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
Sp2.
>>>>
>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
>> you
>>>> cut it.
>>>>
>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91689 is a reply to message #91688] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 18:15 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
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|
Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
solution.
My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of hardware
options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core, which
would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run at
comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently -
from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's performance
level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio doesn't
yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor consideration at
least.
As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have what I
already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid Vista
and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just doesn't
look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution. ;-)
I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually a
bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB thumb
drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core 2.
WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
> Even,with
> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro Audio
> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac) can
> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX running
> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>
> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making a
> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>
> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD quad
> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
> a little
>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
> we
>>
>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but otherwise
>> running well here.
>>
>> DJ -
>>
>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem with
>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>> fairly soon.
>>
>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
> I'll
>> post something next week.)
>>
>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple of
>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed in
> some
>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>
>>>
>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>
>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a while
>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>
>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
> "no
>>> PCI
>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling to
> me
>>> is
>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core CPU's
>>> is
>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet have
>>>
>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to be
> pretty
>>>
>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
> to
>>>
>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
> Kudos
>>>
>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
> issues
>>>
>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>> it's
>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>
>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
> from
>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24 inch
>>>
>>>>> monitor),
>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>> A
>>>>> Hot
>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>> Separate
>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>
>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>> more
>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
> Logic
>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
> one
>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in Logic
>>> 8,
>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>
>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>> 2..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already running
>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>
>>>>> while
>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
> that
>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>> is
>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>
>>>>> straight..
>>>>>
>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>
>>>>> this
>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of virtual
>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will get
>>> a 30
>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
> Sp2.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter how
>>> you
>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91691 is a reply to message #91689] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 18:36 |
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Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many others.
Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When, just
adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero latency/
with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking .003
ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp devices..aka
like farm dsp cards..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>solution.
>
>My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of hardware
>options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core, which
>would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run at
>comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
-
>from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's performance
>level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio doesn't
>yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor consideration
at
>least.
>
>As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have what
I
>already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid Vista
>and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>
>I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just doesn't
>look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution. ;-)
>
>I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
a
>bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB thumb
>drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core 2.
>WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>
>On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>> Even,with
>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro Audio
>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
can
>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX running
>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>
>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
a
>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>
>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD
quad
>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
>> a little
>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
>> we
>>>
>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but otherwise
>>> running well here.
>>>
>>> DJ -
>>>
>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
with
>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>>> fairly soon.
>>>
>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>> I'll
>>> post something next week.)
>>>
>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
of
>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
in
>> some
>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>
>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a
while
>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>
>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
>> "no
>>>> PCI
>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
to
>> me
>>>> is
>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
CPU's
>>>> is
>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
have
>>>>
>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to
be
>> pretty
>>>>
>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>> to
>>>>
>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>> Kudos
>>>>
>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>> issues
>>>>
>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>>> it's
>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>
>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>> from
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
inch
>>>>
>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>>> A
>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>>> more
>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>> Logic
>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>> one
>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in
Logic
>>>> 8,
>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi Sequencer
>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>>> 2..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has improved.
>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
running
>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>>
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>> that
>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>>> is
>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>>
>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>>
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
virtual
>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
get
>>>> a 30
>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>> Sp2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
how
>>>> you
>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91692 is a reply to message #91691] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 18:45 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring. I
can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
VSTi's.
Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
;-))
Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer the
lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the working
latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a normal
work load).
As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing system
other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many others.
>
> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When, just
> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
> latency/
> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>
> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking .003
> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>
> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>
> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>
> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
> devices..aka
> like farm dsp cards..
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>> solution.
>>
>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of hardware
>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core, which
>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run at
>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
> -
>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's performance
>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio doesn't
>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor consideration
> at
>> least.
>>
>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have what
> I
>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid Vista
>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>
>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just doesn't
>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution. ;-)
>>
>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
> a
>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB thumb
>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core 2.
>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>>> Even,with
>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro Audio
>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
> can
>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX running
>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>
>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
> a
>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>
>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD
> quad
>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
>>> a little
>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
>>> we
>>>>
>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>> otherwise
>>>> running well here.
>>>>
>>>> DJ -
>>>>
>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
> with
>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>
>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>>> I'll
>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>
>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
> of
>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
> in
>>> some
>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>
>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a
> while
>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>
>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
>>> "no
>>>>> PCI
>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
> to
>>> me
>>>>> is
>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
> CPU's
>>>>> is
>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
> have
>>>>>
>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to
> be
>>> pretty
>>>>>
>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>> Kudos
>>>>>
>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>>> issues
>>>>>
>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>>>> it's
>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>> from
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
> inch
>>>>>
>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>>>> A
>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>>>> more
>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>>> Logic
>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>>> one
>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in
> Logic
>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
> running
>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>>>
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>>> that
>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>>>
>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
> virtual
>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
> get
>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
> how
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91694 is a reply to message #91692] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 20:13 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin
and internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi
loaded, while the main one with the whole song on it is actually
recording the take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute
the channel and play back from the main machine.
The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their
own VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis
you don't have that problem.
Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
monitoring machine.
Dedric Terry wrote:
> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring. I
> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
> VSTi's.
>
> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
> ;-))
>
> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer the
> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the working
> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a normal
> work load).
>
> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing system
> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many others.
>>
>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When, just
>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>> latency/
>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>
>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking .003
>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>
>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>
>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>
>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>> devices..aka
>> like farm dsp cards..
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>> solution.
>>>
>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of hardware
>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core, which
>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run at
>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
>> -
>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's performance
>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio doesn't
>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor consideration
>> at
>>> least.
>>>
>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have what
>> I
>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid Vista
>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>
>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just doesn't
>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution. ;-)
>>>
>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
>> a
>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB thumb
>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core 2.
>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>>>> Even,with
>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro Audio
>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
>> can
>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX running
>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
>> a
>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD
>> quad
>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
>>>> a little
>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
>>>> we
>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some plugin
>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>> otherwise
>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>
>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the next
>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag and
>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
>> with
>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance release
>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>>>> I'll
>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
>> of
>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now I'm
>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
>> in
>>>> some
>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer version
>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a
>> while
>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world of
>>>> "no
>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
>> to
>>>> me
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would have
>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now with
>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
>> CPU's
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
>> have
>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to
>> be
>>>> pretty
>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon. Moving
>>>> to
>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling CPU
>>>> issues
>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core CPU's,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>>> from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
>> inch
>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON MAN...
>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these new
>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster buss,
>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I wanted
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an old
>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like the
>>>> one
>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in
>> Logic
>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away from
>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come close
>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>> running
>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still playing
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi in
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated , this
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2 hours
>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't explain
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>> virtual
>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
>> get
>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP Pro
>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
>> how
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91695 is a reply to message #91694] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 20:18 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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Exactly - I'm running 3 at the moment and considering another - it works
beautifully, but the more the better ;-).
I have Cubase 4 on a second system I use for video playback via VST System
link and can run VSTi's there as well. VStack is another option, but
doesn't receive midi clock, so it won't sync to host tempo.
I mostly use Kontakt 2 on separate systems for loading orch libraries since
it runs standalone with 4 banks of 16 instruments (via 4 ports on
MidiOverLan).
Forte seems to be the only other option for loading different VSTi's
(including multiple instances of Kontakt), but I've read it has some latency
issues - I plan to demo it this week.
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/20/07 9:13 PM, in article 471ac538@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
> really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin
> and internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi
> loaded, while the main one with the whole song on it is actually
> recording the take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute
> the channel and play back from the main machine.
>
> The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their
> own VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
> synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis
> you don't have that problem.
>
> Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
> second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
> monitoring machine.
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring. I
>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>> VSTi's.
>>
>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
>> ;-))
>>
>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer the
>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the working
>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a normal
>> work load).
>>
>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing system
>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91696 is a reply to message #91694] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 20:35 |
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Yep.. My 2 Vsti machines are great to track with. No noticble latency at all.
Too much buffer toggleing inside of my tracking/mixing DAW..
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
>really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin
>and internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi
>loaded, while the main one with the whole song on it is actually
>recording the take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute
>the channel and play back from the main machine.
>
>The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their
>own VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
>synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis
>you don't have that problem.
>
>Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
>second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
>monitoring machine.
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring.
I
>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>> VSTi's.
>>
>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
>> ;-))
>>
>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer
the
>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the working
>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a
normal
>> work load).
>>
>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing system
>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many
others.
>>>
>>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When,
just
>>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>>> latency/
>>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>>
>>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking
.003
>>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>>
>>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
>>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>>
>>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
>>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>>
>>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>>> devices..aka
>>> like farm dsp cards..
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of hardware
>>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core,
which
>>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run
at
>>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
>>> -
>>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's performance
>>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio doesn't
>>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor consideration
>>> at
>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have
what
>>> I
>>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid
Vista
>>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>>
>>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just doesn't
>>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution.
;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
>>> a
>>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB
thumb
>>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core
2.
>>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>>>>> Even,with
>>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro
Audio
>>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
>>> can
>>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX
running
>>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
>>> a
>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming
AMD
>>> quad
>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are getting
>>>>> a little
>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of products
>>>>> we
>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some
plugin
>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the
next
>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag
and
>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
>>> with
>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance
release
>>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1 features
>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is interested
>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
>>> of
>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now
I'm
>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
>>> in
>>>>> some
>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer
version
>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes
a
>>> while
>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world
of
>>>>> "no
>>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
>>> to
>>>>> me
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would
have
>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now
with
>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
>>> CPU's
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not
yet
>>> have
>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going
to
>>> be
>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon.
Moving
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to Apple.
>>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling
CPU
>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core
CPU's,
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5 minutes
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4
(24
>>> inch
>>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON
MAN...
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these
new
>>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster
buss,
>>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I
wanted
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an
old
>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and recording
>>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like
the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors
in
>>> Logic
>>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away
from
>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come
close
>>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>> running
>>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still
playing
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi
in
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to tracking
>>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated
, this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for
2 hours
>>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't
explain
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing
of
>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
>>> get
>>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP
Pro
>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
>>> how
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Moreness [message #91697 is a reply to message #91692] |
Sat, 20 October 2007 23:50 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Big day. Added another 2GB RAM, put in a gigantic 1TB system drive, and
then installed Logic 8 and all of its associated apps and content to my
dual G5.
I've done just a few tests with Logic 8 so far but it seems to be
working OK. The new single window interface option is very nice.
Logical, even. Main Stage is fun.
So I now have 4.5GB of RAM to run various animation, graphics, HD video
editing, internet and biz apps, and Logic of course. It's nice to have
almost twice as much room for huge projects and multitasking. I still
have room to expand the RAM to 8GB if needed but I think this will do
for a while.
There's plenty of room on the system drive now for whatever OSX 10.5
needs when it comes out next week, with vast space to spare. (I'll
probably wait a bit before I get 10.5 to make sure it's a solid release.)
Ivory got all huffy about the new drive and had to be reregistered. To
Synthogy's credit registration was reasonably easy, and there was a 5
day window allowed (sort of, I lost a day of that by installing it right
before midnight). But I gotta say, keying software registration to a
hardware component that's likely to be replaced seems a bit ridiculous.
Some of the older NI stuff also quit working due to being keyed to the
hard drive (sheesh), but the newer NI plugins seem OK. Since I still use
some of the older NI plugins I'm going to have to deal with
re-authorizing them.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
PS. There's already an update for Main Stage available via the Software
Update command.
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91718 is a reply to message #91694] |
Sun, 21 October 2007 11:05 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Ditto! Running Cubase 4 on both DAWs. Using a slave really saves the day
when working at 88.2 with VSTi's.
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:471ac538@linux...
> The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
> really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin and
> internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi loaded,
> while the main one with the whole song on it is actually recording the
> take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute the channel and
> play back from the main machine.
>
> The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their own
> VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
> synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis you
> don't have that problem.
>
> Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
> second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
> monitoring machine.
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring.
>> I
>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>> VSTi's.
>>
>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
>> ;-))
>>
>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer the
>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the
>> working
>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a
>> normal
>> work load).
>>
>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing
>> system
>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When,
>>> just
>>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>>> latency/
>>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>>
>>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking
>>> .003
>>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>>
>>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
>>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>>
>>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
>>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>>
>>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>>> devices..aka
>>> like farm dsp cards..
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of
>>>> hardware
>>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core,
>>>> which
>>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run
>>>> at
>>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
>>> -
>>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's
>>>> performance
>>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio
>>>> doesn't
>>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor
>>>> consideration
>>> at
>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have
>>>> what
>>> I
>>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid
>>>> Vista
>>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>>
>>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just
>>>> doesn't
>>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution.
>>>> ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
>>> a
>>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB
>>>> thumb
>>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core
>>>> 2.
>>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>>>>> Even,with
>>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro
>>>>> Audio
>>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
>>> can
>>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX
>>>>> running
>>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
>>> a
>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD
>>> quad
>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>> a little
>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of
>>>>>>> products
>>>>> we
>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some
>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
>>> with
>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance
>>>>>> release
>>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1
>>>>>> features
>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is
>>>>>> interested
>>>>> I'll
>>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
>>> of
>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
>>> in
>>>>> some
>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a
>>> while
>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> "no
>>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
>>> to
>>>>> me
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
>>> CPU's
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
>>> have
>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to
>>> be
>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon.
>>>>>>>> Moving
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to
>>>>>>>> Apple.
>>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling
>>>>>>>> CPU
>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core
>>>>>>>> CPU's,
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5
>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
>>> inch
>>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON
>>>>>>>>> MAN...
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these
>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster
>>>>>>>>> buss,
>>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I
>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an
>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and
>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in
>>> Logic
>>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come
>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>> running
>>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still
>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front
>>>>>>>>> end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to
>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated ,
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2
>>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't
>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
>>> get
>>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP
>>>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
>>> how
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91719 is a reply to message #91718] |
Sun, 21 October 2007 11:54 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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unless you need to edit them why not convert to them to audio?
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:05:58 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
net> wrote:
>Ditto! Running Cubase 4 on both DAWs. Using a slave really saves the day
>when working at 88.2 with VSTi's.
>
>
>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:471ac538@linux...
>> The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
>> really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin and
>> internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi loaded,
>> while the main one with the whole song on it is actually recording the
>> take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute the channel and
>> play back from the main machine.
>>
>> The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their own
>> VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
>> synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis you
>> don't have that problem.
>>
>> Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
>> second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
>> monitoring machine.
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than monitoring.
>>> I
>>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>>> VSTi's.
>>>
>>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai when
>>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are better...
>>> ;-))
>>>
>>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue more
>>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer the
>>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the
>>> working
>>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a
>>> normal
>>> work load).
>>>
>>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing
>>> system
>>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you already
>>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When,
>>>> just
>>>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>>>> latency/
>>>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>>>
>>>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking
>>>> .003
>>>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>>>
>>>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia zero
>>>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta admit,
>>>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>>>
>>>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>>>> devices..aka
>>>> like farm dsp cards..
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>>>> solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of
>>>>> hardware
>>>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core,
>>>>> which
>>>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can run
>>>>> at
>>>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can currently
>>>> -
>>>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's
>>>>> performance
>>>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor
>>>>> consideration
>>>> at
>>>>> least.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but not
>>>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have
>>>>> what
>>>> I
>>>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid
>>>>> Vista
>>>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution.
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is actually
>>>> a
>>>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB
>>>>> thumb
>>>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a core
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix imho.
>>>>>> Even,with
>>>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro
>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box (Mac)
>>>> can
>>>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really making
>>>> a
>>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming AMD
>>>> quad
>>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>> a little
>>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of
>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some
>>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore problem
>>>> with
>>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance
>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1
>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is
>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a couple
>>>> of
>>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro music/audio/video
>>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I noticed
>>>> in
>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer
>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes a
>>>> while
>>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> "no
>>>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's troubling
>>>> to
>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi core
>>>> CPU's
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not yet
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going to
>>>> be
>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon.
>>>>>>>>> Moving
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to
>>>>>>>>> Apple.
>>>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling
>>>>>>>>> CPU
>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core
>>>>>>>>> CPU's,
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5
>>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4 (24
>>>> inch
>>>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON
>>>>>>>>>> MAN...
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these
>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster
>>>>>>>>>> buss,
>>>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I
>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an
>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and
>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors in
>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come
>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was already
>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still
>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front
>>>>>>>>>> end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to
>>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated ,
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2
>>>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't
>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing of
>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic will
>>>> get
>>>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP
>>>>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No matter
>>>> how
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91728 is a reply to message #91719] |
Sun, 21 October 2007 17:01 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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I eventually do this. Mostly it's running midi dums using BFD. I'm always
changing things up. If it's piano or B4, it git's frozen PDQ.
;o)
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h18nh399kuu62c9eq1mgqt8af6v0oedi7d@4ax.com...
> unless you need to edit them why not convert to them to audio?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:05:58 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
> net> wrote:
>
>>Ditto! Running Cubase 4 on both DAWs. Using a slave really saves the day
>>when working at 88.2 with VSTi's.
>>
>>
>>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:471ac538@linux...
>>> The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
>>> really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin
>>> and
>>> internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi
>>> loaded,
>>> while the main one with the whole song on it is actually recording the
>>> take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute the channel
>>> and
>>> play back from the main machine.
>>>
>>> The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their
>>> own
>>> VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
>>> synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis
>>> you
>>> don't have that problem.
>>>
>>> Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
>>> second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
>>> monitoring machine.
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than
>>>> monitoring.
>>>> I
>>>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>>>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>>>> VSTi's.
>>>>
>>>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai
>>>> when
>>>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are
>>>> better...
>>>> ;-))
>>>>
>>>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>>>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue
>>>> more
>>>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>>>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer
>>>> the
>>>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the
>>>> working
>>>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>>>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a
>>>> normal
>>>> work load).
>>>>
>>>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing
>>>> system
>>>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you
>>>> already
>>>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When,
>>>>> just
>>>>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>>>>> latency/
>>>>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking
>>>>> .003
>>>>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia
>>>>> zero
>>>>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta
>>>>> admit,
>>>>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>>>>
>>>>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>>>>> devices..aka
>>>>> like farm dsp cards..
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can
>>>>>> currently
>>>>> -
>>>>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's
>>>>>> performance
>>>>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>>>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor
>>>>>> consideration
>>>>> at
>>>>>> least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have
>>>>>> what
>>>>> I
>>>>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid
>>>>>> Vista
>>>>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution.
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is
>>>>>> actually
>>>>> a
>>>>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB
>>>>>> thumb
>>>>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a
>>>>>> core
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix
>>>>>>> imho.
>>>>>>> Even,with
>>>>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro
>>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box
>>>>>>> (Mac)
>>>>> can
>>>>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really
>>>>>>> making
>>>>> a
>>>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming
>>>>>>> AMD
>>>>> quad
>>>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> a little
>>>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of
>>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some
>>>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the
>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore
>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance
>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1
>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is
>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a
>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro
>>>>>>>> music/audio/video
>>>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I
>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> "no
>>>>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's
>>>>>>>>>> troubling
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi
>>>>>>>>>> core
>>>>> CPU's
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not
>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon.
>>>>>>>>>> Moving
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to
>>>>>>>>>> Apple.
>>>>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling
>>>>>>>>>> CPU
>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core
>>>>>>>>>> CPU's,
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5
>>>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4
>>>>>>>>>>> (24
>>>>> inch
>>>>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON
>>>>>>>>>>> MAN...
>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster
>>>>>>>>>>> buss,
>>>>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an
>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and
>>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come
>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was
>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still
>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front
>>>>>>>>>>> end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to
>>>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated ,
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2
>>>>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't
>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP
>>>>>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No
>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Logic Audio 8 ..mini Review [message #91745 is a reply to message #91728] |
Mon, 22 October 2007 01:42 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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gotcha.
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:01:54 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
net> wrote:
>I eventually do this. Mostly it's running midi dums using BFD. I'm always
>changing things up. If it's piano or B4, it git's frozen PDQ.
>
>;o)
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:h18nh399kuu62c9eq1mgqt8af6v0oedi7d@4ax.com...
>> unless you need to edit them why not convert to them to audio?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:05:58 -0600, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _
>> net> wrote:
>>
>>>Ditto! Running Cubase 4 on both DAWs. Using a slave really saves the day
>>>when working at 88.2 with VSTi's.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:471ac538@linux...
>>>> The only solution for latency of VSTis I have found, and which works
>>>> really well for me is to run 2 machines. One (my general purpose admin
>>>> and
>>>> internet machine) is just for monitoring and has just the one VSTi
>>>> loaded,
>>>> while the main one with the whole song on it is actually recording the
>>>> take, but has the track muted. After the take, you unmute the channel
>>>> and
>>>> play back from the main machine.
>>>>
>>>> The only drawback with this is that now a lot of DAWs come with their
>>>> own
>>>> VSTis, so you have to own 2 copies of the program to access the same
>>>> synths on both machines. If you use only standalone/third party VSTis
>>>> you
>>>> don't have that problem.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it is possible to find a crack of Cubase 4 or whatever for the
>>>> second machine. I've been using an old copy of Cubase VST for the
>>>> monitoring machine.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>> It's really mainly a VSTi performance issue for me, more than
>>>>> monitoring.
>>>>> I
>>>>> can deal with monitoring in the usual ways (Totalmix, outboard mixer,
>>>>> whatever), but a few ms of latency gets sloppy when playing a load of
>>>>> VSTi's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why 0.003ms at 192k? Why climb Mt. Everest? Why eat sushi or Thai
>>>>> when
>>>>> McDonalds is cheaper? (Okay the last two just because they are
>>>>> better...
>>>>> ;-))
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, I'm not big on moving to 96k at near 0 latency at all costs -
>>>>> eventually, but not just yet. It's a workflow and convenience issue
>>>>> more
>>>>> than anything for me. It also isn't so much about pushing the lowest
>>>>> latency as low as possible as it is supporting larger loads at nearer
>>>>> the
>>>>> lowest latency supported. The lower the min latency, the lower the
>>>>> working
>>>>> latency under load (if you can run 32 samples, you might get 128 under
>>>>> decent load; if 128 is the lowest, you might never go below 512 for a
>>>>> normal
>>>>> work load).
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as Symphony - no real option to integrate it into an existing
>>>>> system
>>>>> other than buying Apogee converters (which are great, but if you
>>>>> already
>>>>> have converters, it's an unnecessary expense).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/07 7:36 PM, in article 471aad23$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I concur on your points. I have a question to you and many
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is so important to have zero latency or a native based rig? When,
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> adding a mixer for monitoring will take care of it. Now, you have zero
>>>>>> latency/
>>>>>> with fx (via verb fx) when tracking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, Asio is nice, but it seems that folks are hell bent on cracking
>>>>>> .003
>>>>>> ms latency at 88.2/96k sampling rates or even 192.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with the fastest computers, they all struggle to get to utopia
>>>>>> zero
>>>>>> latency.. Jsut add any mixer and the problem is solved..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Those Apogee symphony test are real world numbers. You gotta
>>>>>> admit,
>>>>>> thosse ms nuembers are impressive..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And, although kind of expensive, those current macs can be used as dsp
>>>>>> devices..aka
>>>>>> like farm dsp cards..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Lamont - for sure OSX is the most commercially viable Unix based
>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My biggest concerns about that route at the moment are the lack of
>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>> options in a broader price range (e.g. can't buy a single-quad core,
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> would be great for a farm system); solid proof that core audio can
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> comparable low latencies under comparable loading as ASIO can
>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> from what I hear, it really doesn't quite match up to ASIO's
>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>> level at the moment (that can be a big deal); and that core audio
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> yet support direct monitoring (Leopard?) - not a big deal with faster
>>>>>>> systems, or really even for my work in general, but a minor
>>>>>>> consideration
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as running WinXP Pro dual boot - nice to have for some, but
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> really necessary for me - no need to spend more for hardware to have
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> already have. My only reason for considering a Mac would be to avoid
>>>>>>> Vista
>>>>>>> and run OSX as a way to move to 64-bit and higher memory access.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am with DJ (and you it seems) on this point though - Vista just
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> look like an audio solution... heck... it's not much of any solution.
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm about to downgrade my laptop to WinXP from Vista, which is
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bit of an upgrade since I can't get the stupid thing to see any USB
>>>>>>> thumb
>>>>>>> drives, my Logitech cam, and overall it seems a little slow for a
>>>>>>> core
>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>> WinXP and OSX have no problem with any of these devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/07 5:57 PM, in article 471a9601$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I think OSX Lepoard is a pretty good version of Unix
>>>>>>>> imho.
>>>>>>>> Even,with
>>>>>>>> Panther, with the right hardware, this seems to be the best for Pro
>>>>>>>> Audio
>>>>>>>> apps. Then, when when you factor in the fact that this same Box
>>>>>>>> (Mac)
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> run Win Xp-pro and run it really well. As I have witnessed Cuabse SX
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> on the Windows partion. It was flying!! ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not giving up on Windows, but it seems that Apple is really
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> really good case for the go-to Multi-media workstaion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, the rumor for the apple x-server is that it use the upcomming
>>>>>>>> AMD
>>>>>> quad
>>>>>>>> core. Ohh weee!!! With OSX-Lepoard. that will pack a good punch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/07 1:14 PM, in article 471a53b0$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>>>>>>> <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As for Steinberg, i won;t count them out. But, many of us are
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> a little
>>>>>>>>>> cranky. The synergy with Yamaha has not produced the kind of
>>>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> N4 is out and it's pretty sweet - it's faster and snappier - some
>>>>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>>>>> compatibility issues to sort out (W5 no longer works for one), but
>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>> running well here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DJ -
>>>>>>>>> The multicore issue is top on the list to be solved probably in the
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> rev, along with support for dual mono files on stereo tracks (drag
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> drop). They didn't have time to completely fix the multicore
>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> N4.1 so it was put back - I'm hoping we'll see it in a maintenance
>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>>>>> fairly soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Go with whatever works for you though. I won't post Nuendo 4.1
>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>>>>> since this is a Logic thread. ;-) (If you or anyone else is
>>>>>>>>> interested
>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>> post something next week.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Btw - I hear you on Vista - hate it. If Apple released OSX a
>>>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> months ago, they could have made a big stake in the OS market. Now
>>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>>> thinking Linux could finally make push into the pro
>>>>>>>>> music/audio/video
>>>>>>>>> market.... just a hunch (or hope maybe) based on something I
>>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> Cubase 4 xml code....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, we have choices..I hear that euphonix is workign on a chepaer
>>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>> of their MC5 controller.
>>>>>>>>> Yep - check the teaser here (it really is just a teaser that takes
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> to let you know they aren't showing anything yet):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://euphonix.com/artist/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I know it's going to cost me $$ eventually to move into the world
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> "no
>>>>>>>>>> PCI
>>>>>>>>>>> slots". That's the direction everything is going. What's
>>>>>>>>>>> troubling
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> the slacker/non professional crap that I'm seeing from Steinberg
>>>>>>>>>>> development. You'd think that their being owned by Yamaha would
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> produced something integrated to the level of t Digidesign by now
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> controllers. Also, the inability to address dual socket multi
>>>>>>>>>>> core
>>>>>> CPU's
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> inexcusable in this day and age. I hear that C4.1 and N4 do not
>>>>>>>>>>> yet
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> this X-Scaling issue solved by a long stretch and they're going
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> much supporting only Vista on the windows platform pretty soon.
>>>>>>>>>>> Moving
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista is sounding to me like a bigger nightmare than moving to
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple.
>>>>>>>> Kudos
>>>>>>>>>>> to Apple if they have the 64 bit......large memory and x-scaling
>>>>>>>>>>> CPU
>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>>> sussed.. If Logic 8 can utilize the resources of dual quad core
>>>>>>>>>>> CPU's,
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> going to probably get quite a few converts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> D (I can't believe I'm saying something nice about Apple) J
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:471a3b60$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, while i type this post, I'm in our new apple store (5
>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> house!!)..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm running Logic 8 (Studio) on a new imac Intel core2 duo 2.4
>>>>>>>>>>>> (24
>>>>>> inch
>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor),
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing with (Re-mixing/editing) a "ROOTS" MIX CALLED MARATHON
>>>>>>>>>>>> MAN...
>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hot
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hip hop mix that comes with Logic Studio..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok..First, I'm impressed with the Speed and solid feel of these
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> iMacs..These
>>>>>>>>>>>> are not your fathers imacs.. Completly different guts.. FAster
>>>>>>>>>>>> buss,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Separate
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nvidia Graphics card.. Sata 3.0 drive..800 mgz firewire..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Logic Studio is (99 percent) of what I wanted to see changed(I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> real world looking faders)..
>>>>>>>>>>>> That being stated, the program (@1.0) is a dream for me.. I'm an
>>>>>>>>>>>> old
>>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>> head and got dismayed with apps lagging audio editing and
>>>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has answered the bell.. At first , i didnot think i'd like
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen thing..But, I'm a fan.. You can still run muti monitors
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>> 8,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but the one screen thing is very cool..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The editing is very fast..quicker than Pro Tools..2 clicks away
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuendo/Cubase..
>>>>>>>>>>>> Somehow, apple has managed to keep intact it's (Still) Best Midi
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sequencer
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world feel, and tightness that only an Akai MPC can come
>>>>>>>>>>>> close
>>>>>>>>>> 2..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sound: I have to agree with most logic 8 reviews..The Sound has
>>>>>>>>>>>> improved.
>>>>>>>>>>>> More, dare I say Pro Tool(ish)...SBut, still a tight bottom...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact that when I plumped down to test this rig, it was
>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>> a dvd(School Of Rock) and several safarie web pages.. Its still
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing
>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm typing this post..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to Logic 8..They also, keep the tight integration with Digi
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can use your TDM hardware and use logic as a front
>>>>>>>>>>>> end..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be honest, I could start a project (Midi-wise) and go to
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracking
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio/edit...Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>> mix in this app.. Things can only get better, as I have stated ,
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> only version 1.0..OH.. NO CRASHES..!!! Torturing this baby for 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> hours
>>>>>>>>>>>> straight..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another cool part of the bundle is : Main-stage: I realy can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> app, but it's a kind of a shell (Say V-Stack) for live playing
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>> virtual
>>>>>>>>>>>> instruments with having logic running..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm told by the in-store Logic/Final Cut pro rep, that Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> a 30
>>>>>>>>>>>> percent boost in performance in Lepoard oxs..Sweet..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lastly, These new machines already had boot camp loaded with XP
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>>> Sp2.
>>>>>>>>>>>> To me, for audio pros, Getting a Mac is a good purchase. No
>>>>>>>>>>>> matter
>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> cut it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Impressed!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
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