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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97332 is a reply to message #97301] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 12:08   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47e49828$1@linux...
First.. gmail, ain't it great? Man I love those guys........
>
> No they have not.. Not any of them. The conservative media has tried to
> "marginalize"
> Rev Jackson and Sharpton for speaking and revealing the truth.
So, they have no human frailties and would never, ever do something wrong or
hide something in the name of the cause. Not any of them. Man, that's
delusional. Nobody is infallible and everybody has a cause they push if
they're willing to get into the spotlight like any of them have.
> Aaron one great American Fredrick Douglas stated that " Aa true patriot
> is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its sins."
Wise words. Doesn't that apply to other prudent areas of life and in all
directions? I constantly question my belief system, my relationships and how
I deal with them, my reason for existence. I'm always trying to sharpen the
saw. I'm in competition with myself, every day, and it forces me to do
things better and look for my own inadequacies. I realize this isn't for
everyone, but man I think that's the reason we're here, to learn the
important lessons for the next round we face. I don't have desire or time
for looking at some dude and saying "he's Race X. Hate him, here's his
label." I understand it exists, I just wish we'd evolve as a people above it
but humans use visual indicators and body language and it will have to be a
concious elevation from all sides to succeed.
> So, are we as citizens of this nation not to speak out against injustices
> that still exist today? I wish for God that we did not a predijuce and
> racism
> in this country. Believe or not most African Americans are TIRED of it.
> It's
> OLD..
Believe it or not it goes both ways and most Whites are TIRED of hearing it
too. And being Black doesn't make you a special case. I grew up in many
towns, and the racism towards American Indians is also great. But guess what
else LaMont - I am of Native American Ancestry. I also am German, so you
can't see my Western Cherokee phsyically. You might also find it interesting
to know that there is racism within the ranks of Cherokee - Western Cherokee
is not the same thing. Rather like dark and light skinned black folks. I get
an unrestricted view of that racism because I don't look a certain way, and
I get the brunt of the Indian's racism for the same reason. And it sucks to
see someone play the race card to gain an advantage when things don't go the
way they like, or they couldn't earn it on their own merits. I could tell
you stories (as I'm sure you could) but I'll spare the bandwidth here. Life
would be a lot easier without that chip on the shoulder for some people, but
they're going to have to make it disappear by their own choice(s). The best
I can do in life is see it, understand it, avoid it and sometimes try to
correct it intelligently.
> But, you still have folks who hate and marginalize because of thier
> heritage and skin color. So, yes to many Rev Jackson Sharpon, Farrakan,
> Panthers
> are heros for standing up and fighting for their causes.. I'm sorry if you
> don;t understand that..
So you're supposing you know me well enough that I don't understand, I don't
get it. Since this is text, I feel a need to tell you at this point, I'm
speaking in a calm, non-angry manor for the following: Don't assume I"m
ignorant or the evil Whitey. You've never met me, and probably have no idea
what I even look like, much less the life that surrounds me on a daily
basis. You have no idea who my friends are or have been, and no idea what
sorts of injustices I may or may not have experienced based on things like
skin color. Don't throw daggers, because as I said originally they're double
sided.
Having a hero is one thing, however as you already stated about America " Aa
true patriot is a lover of his country who rebukes and does not excuse its
sins.".. How's that not apply to American Citizens/Heros/Humans as well...
you know like Sharpton, Farrakan, the Black Panthers?
Anyhoo, happy Easter I'm off to color eggs with my 6 yr old
AA
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> There's not double standard here.
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> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>and I'm sure MalcolmX, Jesse Jackson or the Black Panthers would
>>have/never
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>>have, ever omitted or rug swept truth.
>>C'mon dude, that's a double bladed knife and throwing daggers at each
>>other
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>>ain't helping any of us.
>>
>>> The Bull-shit American History I'm talking about is the one that was
>>> "taught"
>>> in most US schools..Which just happend to leave out and omit certain
>>> truths..
>>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97344 is a reply to message #97252] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 14:39 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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Hi Dedric,
Your post was incredibly offensive to me, for the following reasons:
"And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have the
right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago"
I believe we were lynching black americans right up into the 1950's. I don't
think I'm wrong about that.
I believe that black americans were overtly and systematically deprived of
their rights as citizens clear through the 1970s and beyond. Look at the
legislation enacted and the case law related to access to financing, housing
and employment over the past three decades. It's a sad story, not a story
of entitlement, but of leveling the playing field.
One of my firmest beliefs is that it's not up to the opressor to tell the
opressed when it's time to 'get over it'.
Racisim is alive and well in America.
Chuck
"Dedric Terry" <notme@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Point was, you simply launched a diatribe about slavery based on one word
>that had nothing, and I repeat, *nothing* to do with slavery. How about
>a game of word association, I say, "orange" you say slavery. I say balloon,
>you say "slavery". Get the picture yet?
>
>If you want to start a thread about how the word "fabric" offends you, feel
>free, but don't pass judgement and make assumptions about my intent in my
>reply to DJ. I wasn't talking to you, about you, or for your benefit, whoever
>you are.
>
>And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have the
>right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago, and
>extrapolate that to being a permanent stigma dooming our country, and woven
>into every conversation from here to eternity. I won't bother to explain
>"fabric" to you since you didn't get it last time.
>
>If you want to play the game of associating yourself with the past for sake
>of playing victim, I'm part American Indian (direct descendant), and "we"
>were here first, and the first to lose rights and freedoms here. ;-) If
>you want to associate history with present day people, why not claim Germany
>is racist and doomed because of Hitler's genocidal mania? How about the
>Netherlands for the barbarians?
>
>Enough of this. I only came back to be clear about how diluded you are
in
>your assumptions in this debate. It used to be fun to hang out here and
>exchange opinions, however diverse, but this tangent really takes the cake
>- must be the twilight zone now. I guess now you'll rant about how "cake"
>or the word "twilight" is a "bull***" word as a result of slavery by some
>twisted and bizarre association as well. Have fun.
>
>
>"yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>
>>Why do yoy think that your opinion is the right one? Are you saying that
>this
>>country
>>was'nt built on the backs of slavery? How am I a hypocrite? Ask questions?
>>My
>>first post was nothing but questions. Having the guts to stand up for
>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
pansy,
>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes". are serious?
>>Why did it take so long for every man to have the right same rights? Is'nt
>>that something we were suppose to believe in? Honor? respect? Look,do'nt
>>get
>>made at me or anyone that confronts you with the truth. I love this country
>>just as much as you. If I can say that with your permission. But we
>>have alot of work to do. We want to blame everyone else for are problems.(not
>>to say we are the cause of all the problems) Think what you want about
my
>>credibility,my words can stand on there own! This makes them no less true
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dt@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Before you pass judgement, make ill-informed assumptions and become a
hypocrit
>>>yourself, read the context, ask questions, and attempt to actually understand
>>>other people. You just read a single word and extrapolated that into
left
>>>field.
>>>
>>>This had nothing to do with race. You might has well launched off a diatribe
>>>on the problems with meteor storms on Pluto.
>>>
>>>And in case you were wondering, by "fabric" I meant guts to stand up for
>>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>pansy,
>>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes.
>>>
>>>Btw - posting like this without your real name is cowardly and destroys
>>any
>>>credibility to your opinion, but at least it supports my argument in spades.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Listen,
>>>>My comments are not about the article,I'm not defending the left. I just
>>>>find the statement "the fabric of are country" to be bullshit. We forget
>>>>about
>>>>are past and pass judgement on others. This is the self-righteousness
>I
>>>speak
>>>>of. As to why I do not post my name? Because of the self-righteousness
>>I
>>>>speak
>>>>of. Wake up! Clean up your backyard. Playing the race card? It could'nt
>>>be
>>>>played if racism was'nt true and alive today! You may look at my comments
>>>>as detour
>>>>into left field,but my comments are directed at your comment about the
>>"fabric"
>>>>of are country. The truth is almost all the founding fathers were slave
>>>owners,and
>>>>some only freed their slaves after they died. Now there is one thing
I
>>agree
>>>>on
>>>>with you is that this place has gone way down!
>>>>
>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>And, btw - I can't believe anyone would even dare to post such racist
>>
>>>>>propaganda as this
>>>>>(and that's exactly what it is) when the original post was on radical
>>islam,
>>>>
>>>>>not slavery. Simply amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>>This forum really has lost it. I'm out. I've really had enough of
these
>>>>>far fetched bizarre reactions and detours into left field.
>>>>>
>>>>>"YAH" <bla-bla@yah.com> wrote in message news:47e3dde1$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fabric of are nation? What is that? Salvery? segragation? racisim?
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> KKK?
>>>>>> self-righteousness!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>I've heard two separate commentaries (one a major news agency, the
>other
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>Brit's personal rant) about how the UK is catering to the whims of
>Islam
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>they've restricted the use of the Three Little Pigs story in some
schools.
>>>>>>>England is funding Islamic schools for their Muslim citizens. They
>>are
>>>>>>>considering passing Islamic laws in some areas to appease that community
>>>>>>>(these were echoed in both, separate and independent commentaries
-
>>two
>>>>>>>completely different viewpoints seeing the same thing happen). In
>effect,
>>>>>>>the UK is making concessions right and left and getting nothing in
>return
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>just more demands. Forget their own history, people and culture,
just
>>>>
>>>>>>>give
>>>>>>>up in the face of fear of suicide bombers, sarin gas, and extremist
>>>>>>>protests.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The news agency report basically said exactly what you are DJ - the
>>US
>>>>is
>>>>>>>doing the same thing - bowing down and letting our "pacifist" leftwing
>>>>
>>>>>>>veil
>>>>>>>of "peace" and "equality" and "justice" dupe us into giving up those
>>>very
>>>>>>>ideals, playing right into the hands of extremism and even terrorism.
>>>>>>>That's the paradox that's become our country. And this is just one
>>case
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>how the left is ironically proposing and touting exactly the opposite
>>>>of
>>>>>>>what is the fabric of our country.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 3/21/08 7:49 AM, in article 47e3bffd@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>>>>>><noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Isn't this cute?
>>>>>>>> http://markhumphrys.com/left.islamic.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This one is the kicker though, and elucidates my periodic rants
better
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> I do:
>>>>>>>> http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our economy is gonna bounce along the bottom for a while. This wasn't
>>>>>>>> necessary. Now I hear the Democrats starting to harp on the economy
>>>>and
>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>>> it ti Iraq. there is, most definitely, a connection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/04/selfless-narcissism.htm l
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and the following excerpt is something I've been ranting about here
>>>>and
>>>>>>>> elsewhere for years:
>>>>>>>> The Democrats and their glorious leaders, who have become so
>>>>>>>> narcissistically invested in this country's defeat as a political
>>
>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>> to accumulate power and "restore American honor", that they
>>>>>>>> have--wittingly
>>>>>>>> or unwittingly--decided to sell their countrymen out to the very
>enemy
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are currently fighting. They mean well, of course. They do it for
>>those
>>>>>>>> wonderful 'selfless' reasons--like "peace" and "social justice"
and
>>>>all.
>>>>>>>> They really support the troops .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's just ignore the fact that they bear considerable responsibility
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the ongoing violence and death of our troops as they enable and
>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>> the priorities of the enemy. Why should the terrorists alter their
>>>
>>>>>>>> homicidal
>>>>>>>> behavior? It is working! People like Nancy Pelosi are living proof
>>>of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> effectiveness of their strategy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There really is a problem. It's a problem that has been aggravated
>>>and
>>>>>>>> encouraged by the left in this country..........you know, the ones
>>>>who
>>>>>>>> don't quite understand that they will be the first to be slaughtered
>>>>
>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>> they have thrown a wrench in the gears of those who are willing
to
>>>
>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>> them. They just do not get it. The Islamists parrot the leftist
American
>>>>>>>> Imperialist tripe that the leftists love to hear and ascribe to
this
>>>>
>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>> but the Islamists do it by design, to dupe the left into helping
>them
>>>>>>>> destroy the protectors of the culture that the left hopes to protect
>>>>by
>>>>>>>> trying to appease those who will not be appeased until the leftists
>>>>are
>>>>>>>> either dead or are kneeling toward Mecca. Once it is too late, they
>>>>can
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> whine about how pissed off they are that there's no separation between
>>>>>>>> mosque and state...right before they are separated from their heads.
>>>>I
>>>>>>>> recognized it years ago. So did lots of other people.....funny,
I
>>didn't
>>>>>>>> hear a peep out of OBama though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK......now I'm of to rape the land.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bye.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97346 is a reply to message #97344] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 15:34 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Chuck, this post is pretty unfair, Dedric original posted something that had
nothing to do with racism. The anonymous poster attacked Dedric and turned
the thread in to the blame game on racism. Speaking of the blame game,
who are you blaming for lynching in the 50s? You, me and Dedric had nothing
to do with lynching, EVER!!!!! Next time you say "we", and "opressor", I
think you should think about it.
Racism is alive and well in America, because some people are keeping it alive!!!
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Dedric,
>
>Your post was incredibly offensive to me, for the following reasons:
>
>"And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
the
>right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago"
>
>I believe we were lynching black americans right up into the 1950's. I don't
>think I'm wrong about that.
>
>I believe that black americans were overtly and systematically deprived
of
>their rights as citizens clear through the 1970s and beyond. Look at the
>legislation enacted and the case law related to access to financing, housing
>and employment over the past three decades. It's a sad story, not a story
>of entitlement, but of leveling the playing field.
>
>One of my firmest beliefs is that it's not up to the opressor to tell the
>opressed when it's time to 'get over it'.
>
>Racisim is alive and well in America.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <notme@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Point was, you simply launched a diatribe about slavery based on one word
>>that had nothing, and I repeat, *nothing* to do with slavery. How about
>>a game of word association, I say, "orange" you say slavery. I say balloon,
>>you say "slavery". Get the picture yet?
>>
>>If you want to start a thread about how the word "fabric" offends you,
feel
>>free, but don't pass judgement and make assumptions about my intent in
my
>>reply to DJ. I wasn't talking to you, about you, or for your benefit,
whoever
>>you are.
>>
>>And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
the
>>right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago,
and
>>extrapolate that to being a permanent stigma dooming our country, and woven
>>into every conversation from here to eternity. I won't bother to explain
>>"fabric" to you since you didn't get it last time.
>>
>>If you want to play the game of associating yourself with the past for
sake
>>of playing victim, I'm part American Indian (direct descendant), and "we"
>>were here first, and the first to lose rights and freedoms here. ;-)
If
>>you want to associate history with present day people, why not claim Germany
>>is racist and doomed because of Hitler's genocidal mania? How about the
>>Netherlands for the barbarians?
>>
>>Enough of this. I only came back to be clear about how diluded you are
>in
>>your assumptions in this debate. It used to be fun to hang out here and
>>exchange opinions, however diverse, but this tangent really takes the cake
>>- must be the twilight zone now. I guess now you'll rant about how "cake"
>>or the word "twilight" is a "bull***" word as a result of slavery by some
>>twisted and bizarre association as well. Have fun.
>>
>>
>>"yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Why do yoy think that your opinion is the right one? Are you saying that
>>this
>>>country
>>>was'nt built on the backs of slavery? How am I a hypocrite? Ask questions?
>>>My
>>>first post was nothing but questions. Having the guts to stand up for
>>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>pansy,
>>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes". are serious?
>>>Why did it take so long for every man to have the right same rights? Is'nt
>>>that something we were suppose to believe in? Honor? respect? Look,do'nt
>>>get
>>>made at me or anyone that confronts you with the truth. I love this country
>>>just as much as you. If I can say that with your permission. But we
>>>have alot of work to do. We want to blame everyone else for are problems.(not
>>>to say we are the cause of all the problems) Think what you want about
>my
>>>credibility,my words can stand on there own! This makes them no less true
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dt@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Before you pass judgement, make ill-informed assumptions and become a
>hypocrit
>>>>yourself, read the context, ask questions, and attempt to actually understand
>>>>other people. You just read a single word and extrapolated that into
>left
>>>>field.
>>>>
>>>>This had nothing to do with race. You might has well launched off a
diatribe
>>>>on the problems with meteor storms on Pluto.
>>>>
>>>>And in case you were wondering, by "fabric" I meant guts to stand up
for
>>>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>>pansy,
>>>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes.
>>>>
>>>>Btw - posting like this without your real name is cowardly and destroys
>>>any
>>>>credibility to your opinion, but at least it supports my argument in
spades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Listen,
>>>>>My comments are not about the article,I'm not defending the left. I
just
>>>>>find the statement "the fabric of are country" to be bullshit. We forget
>>>>>about
>>>>>are past and pass judgement on others. This is the self-righteousness
>>I
>>>>speak
>>>>>of. As to why I do not post my name? Because of the self-righteousness
>>>I
>>>>>speak
>>>>>of. Wake up! Clean up your backyard. Playing the race card? It could'nt
>>>>be
>>>>>played if racism was'nt true and alive today! You may look at my comments
>>>>>as detour
>>>>>into left field,but my comments are directed at your comment about the
>>>"fabric"
>>>>>of are country. The truth is almost all the founding fathers were slave
>>>>owners,and
>>>>>some only freed their slaves after they died. Now there is one thing
>I
>>>agree
>>>>>on
>>>>>with you is that this place has gone way down!
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>And, btw - I can't believe anyone would even dare to post such racist
>>>
>>>>>>propaganda as this
>>>>>>(and that's exactly what it is) when the original post was on radical
>>>islam,
>>>>>
>>>>>>not slavery. Simply amazing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This forum really has lost it. I'm out. I've really had enough of
>these
>>>>>>far fetched bizarre reactions and detours into left field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"YAH" <bla-bla@yah.com> wrote in message news:47e3dde1$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fabric of are nation? What is that? Salvery? segragation? racisim?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> KKK?
>>>>>>> self-righteousness!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've heard two separate commentaries (one a major news agency, the
>>other
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>Brit's personal rant) about how the UK is catering to the whims of
>>Islam
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>they've restricted the use of the Three Little Pigs story in some
>schools.
>>>>>>>>England is funding Islamic schools for their Muslim citizens. They
>>>are
>>>>>>>>considering passing Islamic laws in some areas to appease that community
>>>>>>>>(these were echoed in both, separate and independent commentaries
>-
>>>two
>>>>>>>>completely different viewpoints seeing the same thing happen). In
>>effect,
>>>>>>>>the UK is making concessions right and left and getting nothing in
>>return
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>just more demands. Forget their own history, people and culture,
>just
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>give
>>>>>>>>up in the face of fear of suicide bombers, sarin gas, and extremist
>>>>>>>>protests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The news agency report basically said exactly what you are DJ - the
>>>US
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>doing the same thing - bowing down and letting our "pacifist" leftwing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>veil
>>>>>>>>of "peace" and "equality" and "justice" dupe us into giving up those
>>>>very
>>>>>>>>ideals, playing right into the hands of extremism and even terrorism.
>>>>>>>>That's the paradox that's become our country. And this is just one
>>>case
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>how the left is ironically proposing and touting exactly the opposite
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>what is the fabric of our country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 3/21/08 7:49 AM, in article 47e3bffd@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>>>>>>><noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't this cute?
>>>>>>>>> http://markhumphrys.com/left.islamic.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one is the kicker though, and elucidates my periodic rants
>better
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> I do:
>>>>>>>>> http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our economy is gonna bounce along the bottom for a while. This
wasn't
>>>>>>>>> necessary. Now I hear the Democrats starting to harp on the economy
>>>>>and
>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>>>> it ti Iraq. there is, most definitely, a connection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/04/selfless-narcissism.htm l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the following excerpt is something I've been ranting about
here
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> elsewhere for years:
>>>>>>>>> The Democrats and their glorious leaders, who have become so
>>>>>>>>> narcissistically invested in this country's defeat as a political
>>>
>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>> to accumulate power and "restore American honor", that they
>>>>>>>>> have--wittingly
>>>>>>>>> or unwittingly--decided to sell their countrymen out to the very
>>enemy
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are currently fighting. They mean well, of course. They do it for
>>>those
>>>>>>>>> wonderful 'selfless' reasons--like "peace" and "social justice"
>and
>>>>>all.
>>>>>>>>> They really support the troops .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's just ignore the fact that they bear considerable responsibility
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the ongoing violence and death of our troops as they enable and
>
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> the priorities of the enemy. Why should the terrorists alter their
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homicidal
>>>>>>>>> behavior? It is working! People like Nancy Pelosi are living proof
>>>>of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> effectiveness of their strategy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There really is a problem. It's a problem that has been aggravated
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> encouraged by the left in this country..........you know, the
ones
>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand that they will be the first to be slaughtered
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>> they have thrown a wrench in the gears of those who are willing
>to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>> them. They just do not get it. The Islamists parrot the leftist
>American
>>>>>>>>> Imperialist tripe that the leftists love to hear and ascribe to
>this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>> but the Islamists do it by design, to dupe the left into helping
>>them
>>>>>>>>> destroy the protectors of the culture that the left hopes to protect
>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>> trying to appease those who will not be appeased until the leftists
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>> either dead or are kneeling toward Mecca. Once it is too late,
they
>>>>>can
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> whine about how pissed off they are that there's no separation
between
>>>>>>>>> mosque and state...right before they are separated from their heads.
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>> recognized it years ago. So did lots of other people.....funny,
>I
>>>didn't
>>>>>>>>> hear a peep out of OBama though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK......now I'm of to rape the land.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bye.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97349 is a reply to message #97344] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 15:53 |
Dedric
Messages: 3
Registered: December 2006
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Well Chuck, you don't have to worry - I won't be back. This is long, because
I don't want to be misunderstood, yet again, for the 12398231987th time (and
my last).
It was offensive to me because the poster was using a 150 year old event
as a direct basis, and associative experience for his/her personal experience
- you have to be pretty old to have been a slave in the early days of the
US. I also find it more than mildly disturbing because it was a bizarre
tangent from a single word, with no purpose other than that bring up a volatile
topic and ignite controversy. Well done Yah - you got us all to tear into
one another. Best use of trolling I've seen in a while.
I just don't see how anyone has the right to claim to be a victim of an event
you weren't personally a part of. Now, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, so PLEASE
READ CAREFULLY before assuming: being affected by fallout, or extenuating
ideals, actions or social prejudices extending *FROM* that era, such as modern
day racism, ethnic, cultural or religious prejudices? YES!
*But*, bringing up slavery as an excuse about how you lost a job last week,
or felt slighted in a restaurant, or take issue with an everday word, is
no better than me (as a Christian) bringing up Rome's imprisonment, torture
and killing of Christians as a way to gain sympathy for my beliefs, and that's
why I don't (because that would be ridiculous), regardless of how much grief
I take here for my beliefs. And from where I'm sitting, it's been far more
than I have the time or energy for anymore.
Now, when people talk about being victimized today in personal situations,
that's another issue, but that wasn't the case, and that was *not* what I
was talking about with the comment you quoted out of context.
You guys really need to start reading before you make blatant assumptions
about me or other people here. If we weren't a slave, we don't really have
the right to claim to be a victim of slavery itself, so we? If one of us
lost a job, or were passed over for a promotion, or have been profiled, that's
another issue and one we desperately need to address - but not with government,
but with people, personal perceptions, and a determination to stop thinking
in terms of prejudice, but start acting with no prejudice.
How about you Chuck? Are you a minority that has personally suffered the
prejudices and injustices from the late 1800's (post slavery) through the
50s'? Were you even alive in the 50's? If you aren't a minority, do you
really have the right to play this card to make your own point?
It's not fair to assume the pains and trials of others just to make a point
on a forum. That's responsible for propagating and keeping racism alive
as much as racism itself, and that's what I find sad, and troubling - it
isn't helping people actually experiencing racism or prejudice, and it isn't
making us more aware of it - it's just igniting more and more resentment
on both sides.
Solving racism will only happen when both sides stop seeing skin color, culture
and ethnic differences, and start seeing neighbors, friends and people instead.
Bringing up the past is only useful as long as it keeps us from repeating
it, but at a point it only serves to propagate the issue in areas where it
doesn't exist (i.e. with people who are *not* prejudice - it gets old too
hearing that I am lumped into the prejudice pot just for being white - that's
also racism, and it too needs to stop if racism is to end completely). We
are supposed to learn from history, not use it as a platform for spreading
guilt, fear, "feel sorry for me", etc. Prejudice sucks. Racism sucks.
Hating other people sucks. There is no value in any of these three. Isn't
it time to set the example rather than just talking about it??
If you are a minority, or in my case, a Christian, there are certainly cases
of prejudice and imho, we absolutely should bring those to light and find
a way to end them. Believe me, I really don't feel welcome here as a Christian,
but of course, since I'm not a Muslim or a minority race, it's perfectly
acceptible to berate me. And I see this everyday. Of course, I can hide
my beliefs, and since not saying anything is easier than changing one's skin
color, that's what I'm expected to do. But really, is there any difference?
I have a diverse group of family members, friends, peers, colleagues, etc,
and none of them complains about past events as a means to make the world
feel sorry them - instead we deal with current issues and struggles that
face us, not those of our grandfathers, great grandfathers, etc. I have
the deepest respect for them, for their determination, character, integrity
and success as a result.
People that really want to make a difference don't wait for the world around
them to change - they find a way to change the world around them, but not
by beligerence, anger, or hatred, but by bringing people together to understand,
comprehend, share both good and bad, and start anew.
I could quote personal stories that are phenomenal testiments of exactly
this, but out of respect for those people, I can't and won't. You don't
know me from adam, what color my skin is, or what prejudice I, my friends,
family, etc have personally endured or witnessed, and I don't claim that
to amount to a hill of beans compared to what people endure in other parts
of the world.
You just proved my point on associating someone else's struggles Chuck, and
I'll bet you've never even seen the inside of prejudice yourself - few of
us really know what it's like, and those that do, act like they want to own
it as a personal matter of pride, that no one else can help carry - that's
also sad, because you might find a heck of a lot of support and encouragment
by just letting it go, and opening up a bit, even here on a silly newsgroup.
I feel sorry for those that really do experience it and have that belittled
by people who only use it to grandstand their opinions. Maybe this NG should
take a trip to the Sudan and see what real prejudice is all about. To be
honest, I'm embarrassed for all of us, at how poorly we have come to understand
one another and how quickly we are to pull the trigger on vitrolous comments
and responses, to hide behind false names, and to use someone else's pain
as a debating point.
It would have been far better, if some had posted personal experiences, trials,
struggles, etc, and let us unite as a community of audio and music people
to encourage, support, and if at all possible, change that situation, to
the best of our ability. Instead, through the anonymity of text, we debate
issues usually out of our control, or at least we don't let on enough for
anyone to know if you are personally experiencing that pain, struggle, etc.
Sharing opinions is great, but is that really what this has come to now?
We all stay so generic that there is nothing but emotionally charged banter
to what we say, and it becomes impossible to associate the person with the
pain behind the rant.
Sad that it's come to this since there are some truly fantastic people here
and the diversity of opinions and experiences is what made it fun to discuss,
learn, grow, encourage, etc, even if it was supposed to just be about Paris.
Good luck to you all, and my apologies for enciting this thread to continue,
for sharing my beliefs and opinions.
Dedric
"Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Dedric,
>
>Your post was incredibly offensive to me, for the following reasons:
>
>"And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
the
>right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago"
>
>I believe we were lynching black americans right up into the 1950's. I don't
>think I'm wrong about that.
>
>I believe that black americans were overtly and systematically deprived
of
>their rights as citizens clear through the 1970s and beyond. Look at the
>legislation enacted and the case law related to access to financing, housing
>and employment over the past three decades. It's a sad story, not a story
>of entitlement, but of leveling the playing field.
>
>One of my firmest beliefs is that it's not up to the opressor to tell the
>opressed when it's time to 'get over it'.
>
>Racisim is alive and well in America.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <notme@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Point was, you simply launched a diatribe about slavery based on one word
>>that had nothing, and I repeat, *nothing* to do with slavery. How about
>>a game of word association, I say, "orange" you say slavery. I say balloon,
>>you say "slavery". Get the picture yet?
>>
>>If you want to start a thread about how the word "fabric" offends you,
feel
>>free, but don't pass judgement and make assumptions about my intent in
my
>>reply to DJ. I wasn't talking to you, about you, or for your benefit,
whoever
>>you are.
>>
>>And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
the
>>right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago,
and
>>extrapolate that to being a permanent stigma dooming our country, and woven
>>into every conversation from here to eternity. I won't bother to explain
>>"fabric" to you since you didn't get it last time.
>>
>>If you want to play the game of associating yourself with the past for
sake
>>of playing victim, I'm part American Indian (direct descendant), and "we"
>>were here first, and the first to lose rights and freedoms here. ;-)
If
>>you want to associate history with present day people, why not claim Germany
>>is racist and doomed because of Hitler's genocidal mania? How about the
>>Netherlands for the barbarians?
>>
>>Enough of this. I only came back to be clear about how diluded you are
>in
>>your assumptions in this debate. It used to be fun to hang out here and
>>exchange opinions, however diverse, but this tangent really takes the cake
>>- must be the twilight zone now. I guess now you'll rant about how "cake"
>>or the word "twilight" is a "bull***" word as a result of slavery by some
>>twisted and bizarre association as well. Have fun.
>>
>>
>>"yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Why do yoy think that your opinion is the right one? Are you saying that
>>this
>>>country
>>>was'nt built on the backs of slavery? How am I a hypocrite? Ask questions?
>>>My
>>>first post was nothing but questions. Having the guts to stand up for
>>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>pansy,
>>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes". are serious?
>>>Why did it take so long for every man to have the right same rights? Is'nt
>>>that something we were suppose to believe in? Honor? respect? Look,do'nt
>>>get
>>>made at me or anyone that confronts you with the truth. I love this country
>>>just as much as you. If I can say that with your permission. But we
>>>have alot of work to do. We want to blame everyone else for are problems.(not
>>>to say we are the cause of all the problems) Think what you want about
>my
>>>credibility,my words can stand on there own! This makes them no less true
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dt@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Before you pass judgement, make ill-informed assumptions and become a
>hypocrit
>>>>yourself, read the context, ask questions, and attempt to actually understand
>>>>other people. You just read a single word and extrapolated that into
>left
>>>>field.
>>>>
>>>>This had nothing to do with race. You might has well launched off a
diatribe
>>>>on the problems with meteor storms on Pluto.
>>>>
>>>>And in case you were wondering, by "fabric" I meant guts to stand up
for
>>>>what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>>pansy,
>>>>pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes.
>>>>
>>>>Btw - posting like this without your real name is cowardly and destroys
>>>any
>>>>credibility to your opinion, but at least it supports my argument in
spades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Listen,
>>>>>My comments are not about the article,I'm not defending the left. I
just
>>>>>find the statement "the fabric of are country" to be bullshit. We forget
>>>>>about
>>>>>are past and pass judgement on others. This is the self-righteousness
>>I
>>>>speak
>>>>>of. As to why I do not post my name? Because of the self-righteousness
>>>I
>>>>>speak
>>>>>of. Wake up! Clean up your backyard. Playing the race card? It could'nt
>>>>be
>>>>>played if racism was'nt true and alive today! You may look at my comments
>>>>>as detour
>>>>>into left field,but my comments are directed at your comment about the
>>>"fabric"
>>>>>of are country. The truth is almost all the founding fathers were slave
>>>>owners,and
>>>>>some only freed their slaves after they died. Now there is one thing
>I
>>>agree
>>>>>on
>>>>>with you is that this place has gone way down!
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>And, btw - I can't believe anyone would even dare to post such racist
>>>
>>>>>>propaganda as this
>>>>>>(and that's exactly what it is) when the original post was on radical
>>>islam,
>>>>>
>>>>>>not slavery. Simply amazing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This forum really has lost it. I'm out. I've really had enough of
>these
>>>>>>far fetched bizarre reactions and detours into left field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"YAH" <bla-bla@yah.com> wrote in message news:47e3dde1$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fabric of are nation? What is that? Salvery? segragation? racisim?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> KKK?
>>>>>>> self-righteousness!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've heard two separate commentaries (one a major news agency, the
>>other
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>Brit's personal rant) about how the UK is catering to the whims of
>>Islam
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>they've restricted the use of the Three Little Pigs story in some
>schools.
>>>>>>>>England is funding Islamic schools for their Muslim citizens. They
>>>are
>>>>>>>>considering passing Islamic laws in some areas to appease that community
>>>>>>>>(these were echoed in both, separate and independent commentaries
>-
>>>two
>>>>>>>>completely different viewpoints seeing the same thing happen). In
>>effect,
>>>>>>>>the UK is making concessions right and left and getting nothing in
>>return
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>just more demands. Forget their own history, people and culture,
>just
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>give
>>>>>>>>up in the face of fear of suicide bombers, sarin gas, and extremist
>>>>>>>>protests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The news agency report basically said exactly what you are DJ - the
>>>US
>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>doing the same thing - bowing down and letting our "pacifist" leftwing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>veil
>>>>>>>>of "peace" and "equality" and "justice" dupe us into giving up those
>>>>very
>>>>>>>>ideals, playing right into the hands of extremism and even terrorism.
>>>>>>>>That's the paradox that's become our country. And this is just one
>>>case
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>how the left is ironically proposing and touting exactly the opposite
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>what is the fabric of our country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 3/21/08 7:49 AM, in article 47e3bffd@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>>>>>>><noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't this cute?
>>>>>>>>> http://markhumphrys.com/left.islamic.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one is the kicker though, and elucidates my periodic rants
>better
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> I do:
>>>>>>>>> http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our economy is gonna bounce along the bottom for a while. This
wasn't
>>>>>>>>> necessary. Now I hear the Democrats starting to harp on the economy
>>>>>and
>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>>>> it ti Iraq. there is, most definitely, a connection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/04/selfless-narcissism.htm l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the following excerpt is something I've been ranting about
here
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> elsewhere for years:
>>>>>>>>> The Democrats and their glorious leaders, who have become so
>>>>>>>>> narcissistically invested in this country's defeat as a political
>>>
>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>> to accumulate power and "restore American honor", that they
>>>>>>>>> have--wittingly
>>>>>>>>> or unwittingly--decided to sell their countrymen out to the very
>>enemy
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are currently fighting. They mean well, of course. They do it for
>>>those
>>>>>>>>> wonderful 'selfless' reasons--like "peace" and "social justice"
>and
>>>>>all.
>>>>>>>>> They really support the troops .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's just ignore the fact that they bear considerable responsibility
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the ongoing violence and death of our troops as they enable and
>
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> the priorities of the enemy. Why should the terrorists alter their
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homicidal
>>>>>>>>> behavior? It is working! People like Nancy Pelosi are living proof
>>>>of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> effectiveness of their strategy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There really is a problem. It's a problem that has been aggravated
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>> encouraged by the left in this country..........you know, the
ones
>>>>>who
>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand that they will be the first to be slaughtered
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>> they have thrown a wrench in the gears of those who are willing
>to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>> them. They just do not get it. The Islamists parrot the leftist
>American
>>>>>>>>> Imperialist tripe that the leftists love to hear and ascribe to
>this
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>> but the Islamists do it by design, to dupe the left into helping
>>them
>>>>>>>>> destroy the protectors of the culture that the left hopes to protect
>>>>>by
>>>>>>>>> trying to appease those who will not be appeased until the leftists
>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>> either dead or are kneeling toward Mecca. Once it is too late,
they
>>>>>can
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> whine about how pissed off they are that there's no separation
between
>>>>>>>>> mosque and state...right before they are separated from their heads.
>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>> recognized it years ago. So did lots of other people.....funny,
>I
>>>didn't
>>>>>>>>> hear a peep out of OBama though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK......now I'm of to rape the land.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bye.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97355 is a reply to message #97344] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 15:16 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hey Mon, I and I can not use the word "oppressor" except in a reggae
tune, like when Jimmie Cliff say:
"De oppressor is try'n to keep me down,
try'n to drive me underground"
Then it be irie. Purely irie.
Chuck Duffy wrote:
> Hi Dedric,
>
> Your post was incredibly offensive to me, for the following reasons:
>
> "And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have the
> right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago"
>
> I believe we were lynching black americans right up into the 1950's. I don't
> think I'm wrong about that.
>
> I believe that black americans were overtly and systematically deprived of
> their rights as citizens clear through the 1970s and beyond. Look at the
> legislation enacted and the case law related to access to financing, housing
> and employment over the past three decades. It's a sad story, not a story
> of entitlement, but of leveling the playing field.
>
> One of my firmest beliefs is that it's not up to the opressor to tell the
> opressed when it's time to 'get over it'.
>
> Racisim is alive and well in America.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <notme@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Point was, you simply launched a diatribe about slavery based on one word
>> that had nothing, and I repeat, *nothing* to do with slavery. How about
>> a game of word association, I say, "orange" you say slavery. I say balloon,
>> you say "slavery". Get the picture yet?
>>
>> If you want to start a thread about how the word "fabric" offends you, feel
>> free, but don't pass judgement and make assumptions about my intent in my
>> reply to DJ. I wasn't talking to you, about you, or for your benefit, whoever
>> you are.
>>
>> And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have the
>> right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago, and
>> extrapolate that to being a permanent stigma dooming our country, and woven
>> into every conversation from here to eternity. I won't bother to explain
>> "fabric" to you since you didn't get it last time.
>>
>> If you want to play the game of associating yourself with the past for sake
>> of playing victim, I'm part American Indian (direct descendant), and "we"
>> were here first, and the first to lose rights and freedoms here. ;-) If
>> you want to associate history with present day people, why not claim Germany
>> is racist and doomed because of Hitler's genocidal mania? How about the
>> Netherlands for the barbarians?
>>
>> Enough of this. I only came back to be clear about how diluded you are
> in
>> your assumptions in this debate. It used to be fun to hang out here and
>> exchange opinions, however diverse, but this tangent really takes the cake
>> - must be the twilight zone now. I guess now you'll rant about how "cake"
>> or the word "twilight" is a "bull***" word as a result of slavery by some
>> twisted and bizarre association as well. Have fun.
>>
>>
>> "yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>> Why do yoy think that your opinion is the right one? Are you saying that
>> this
>>> country
>>> was'nt built on the backs of slavery? How am I a hypocrite? Ask questions?
>>> My
>>> first post was nothing but questions. Having the guts to stand up for
>>> what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
> pansy,
>>> pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes". are serious?
>>> Why did it take so long for every man to have the right same rights? Is'nt
>>> that something we were suppose to believe in? Honor? respect? Look,do'nt
>>> get
>>> made at me or anyone that confronts you with the truth. I love this country
>>> just as much as you. If I can say that with your permission. But we
>>> have alot of work to do. We want to blame everyone else for are problems.(not
>>> to say we are the cause of all the problems) Think what you want about
> my
>>> credibility,my words can stand on there own! This makes them no less true
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dt@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>> Before you pass judgement, make ill-informed assumptions and become a
> hypocrit
>>>> yourself, read the context, ask questions, and attempt to actually understand
>>>> other people. You just read a single word and extrapolated that into
> left
>>>> field.
>>>>
>>>> This had nothing to do with race. You might has well launched off a diatribe
>>>> on the problems with meteor storms on Pluto.
>>>>
>>>> And in case you were wondering, by "fabric" I meant guts to stand up for
>>>> what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>> pansy,
>>>> pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes.
>>>>
>>>> Btw - posting like this without your real name is cowardly and destroys
>>> any
>>>> credibility to your opinion, but at least it supports my argument in spades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>>> Listen,
>>>>> My comments are not about the article,I'm not defending the left. I just
>>>>> find the statement "the fabric of are country" to be bullshit. We forget
>>>>> about
>>>>> are past and pass judgement on others. This is the self-righteousness
>> I
>>>> speak
>>>>> of. As to why I do not post my name? Because of the self-righteousness
>>> I
>>>>> speak
>>>>> of. Wake up! Clean up your backyard. Playing the race card? It could'nt
>>>> be
>>>>> played if racism was'nt true and alive today! You may look at my comments
>>>>> as detour
>>>>> into left field,but my comments are directed at your comment about the
>>> "fabric"
>>>>> of are country. The truth is almost all the founding fathers were slave
>>>> owners,and
>>>>> some only freed their slaves after they died. Now there is one thing
> I
>>> agree
>>>>> on
>>>>> with you is that this place has gone way down!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> And, btw - I can't believe anyone would even dare to post such racist
>>>>>> propaganda as this
>>>>>> (and that's exactly what it is) when the original post was on radical
>>> islam,
>>>>>> not slavery. Simply amazing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This forum really has lost it. I'm out. I've really had enough of
> these
>>>>>> far fetched bizarre reactions and detours into left field.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "YAH" <bla-bla@yah.com> wrote in message news:47e3dde1$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The fabric of are nation? What is that? Salvery? segragation? racisim?
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> KKK?
>>>>>>> self-righteousness!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've heard two separate commentaries (one a major news agency, the
>> other
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> Brit's personal rant) about how the UK is catering to the whims of
>> Islam
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> they've restricted the use of the Three Little Pigs story in some
> schools.
>>>>>>>> England is funding Islamic schools for their Muslim citizens. They
>>> are
>>>>>>>> considering passing Islamic laws in some areas to appease that community
>>>>>>>> (these were echoed in both, separate and independent commentaries
> -
>>> two
>>>>>>>> completely different viewpoints seeing the same thing happen). In
>> effect,
>>>>>>>> the UK is making concessions right and left and getting nothing in
>> return
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> just more demands. Forget their own history, people and culture,
> just
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>> up in the face of fear of suicide bombers, sarin gas, and extremist
>>>>>>>> protests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The news agency report basically said exactly what you are DJ - the
>>> US
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> doing the same thing - bowing down and letting our "pacifist" leftwing
>>>>>>>> veil
>>>>>>>> of "peace" and "equality" and "justice" dupe us into giving up those
>>>> very
>>>>>>>> ideals, playing right into the hands of extremism and even terrorism.
>>>>>>>> That's the paradox that's become our country. And this is just one
>>> case
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> how the left is ironically proposing and touting exactly the opposite
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what is the fabric of our country.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/21/08 7:49 AM, in article 47e3bffd@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Isn't this cute?
>>>>>>>>> http://markhumphrys.com/left.islamic.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This one is the kicker though, and elucidates my periodic rants
> better
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> I do:
>>>>>>>>> http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our economy is gonna bounce along the bottom for a while. This wasn't
>>>>>>>>> necessary. Now I hear the Democrats starting to harp on the economy
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>>>> it ti Iraq. there is, most definitely, a connection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/04/selfless-narcissism.htm l
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and the following excerpt is something I've been ranting about here
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> elsewhere for years:
>>>>>>>>> The Democrats and their glorious leaders, who have become so
>>>>>>>>> narcissistically invested in this country's defeat as a political
>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>> to accumulate power and "restore American honor", that they
>>>>>>>>> have--wittingly
>>>>>>>>> or unwittingly--decided to sell their countrymen out to the very
>> enemy
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are currently fighting. They mean well, of course. They do it for
>>> those
>>>>>>>>> wonderful 'selfless' reasons--like "peace" and "social justice"
> and
>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>> They really support the troops .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's just ignore the fact that they bear considerable responsibility
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the ongoing violence and death of our troops as they enable and
>
>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>> the priorities of the enemy. Why should the terrorists alter their
>>>>>>>>> homicidal
>>>>>>>>> behavior? It is working! People like Nancy Pelosi are living proof
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> effectiveness of their strategy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There really is a problem. It's a problem that has been aggravated
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> encouraged by the left in this country..........you know, the ones
>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand that they will be the first to be slaughtered
>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>> they have thrown a wrench in the gears of those who are willing
> to
>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>> them. They just do not get it. The Islamists parrot the leftist
> American
>>>>>>>>> Imperialist tripe that the leftists love to hear and ascribe to
> this
>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>> but the Islamists do it by design, to dupe the left into helping
>> them
>>>>>>>>> destroy the protectors of the culture that the left hopes to protect
>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> trying to appease those who will not be appeased until the leftists
>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> either dead or are kneeling toward Mecca. Once it is too late, they
>>>>> can
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> whine about how pissed off they are that there's no separation between
>>>>>>>>> mosque and state...right before they are separated from their heads.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> recognized it years ago. So did lots of other people.....funny,
> I
>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> hear a peep out of OBama though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK......now I'm of to rape the land.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bye.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97358 is a reply to message #97349] |
Sat, 22 March 2008 15:52 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Dedric, I hope you and Nappy both come back when things settle down
again, if not sooner.
It's just a product forum, but it's become special because of all the
people here. You will be missed.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric wrote:
> Well Chuck, you don't have to worry - I won't be back. This is long, because
> I don't want to be misunderstood, yet again, for the 12398231987th time (and
> my last).
>
> It was offensive to me because the poster was using a 150 year old event
> as a direct basis, and associative experience for his/her personal experience
> - you have to be pretty old to have been a slave in the early days of the
> US. I also find it more than mildly disturbing because it was a bizarre
> tangent from a single word, with no purpose other than that bring up a volatile
> topic and ignite controversy. Well done Yah - you got us all to tear into
> one another. Best use of trolling I've seen in a while.
>
> I just don't see how anyone has the right to claim to be a victim of an event
> you weren't personally a part of. Now, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, so PLEASE
> READ CAREFULLY before assuming: being affected by fallout, or extenuating
> ideals, actions or social prejudices extending *FROM* that era, such as modern
> day racism, ethnic, cultural or religious prejudices? YES!
>
> *But*, bringing up slavery as an excuse about how you lost a job last week,
> or felt slighted in a restaurant, or take issue with an everday word, is
> no better than me (as a Christian) bringing up Rome's imprisonment, torture
> and killing of Christians as a way to gain sympathy for my beliefs, and that's
> why I don't (because that would be ridiculous), regardless of how much grief
> I take here for my beliefs. And from where I'm sitting, it's been far more
> than I have the time or energy for anymore.
>
> Now, when people talk about being victimized today in personal situations,
> that's another issue, but that wasn't the case, and that was *not* what I
> was talking about with the comment you quoted out of context.
>
> You guys really need to start reading before you make blatant assumptions
> about me or other people here. If we weren't a slave, we don't really have
> the right to claim to be a victim of slavery itself, so we? If one of us
> lost a job, or were passed over for a promotion, or have been profiled, that's
> another issue and one we desperately need to address - but not with government,
> but with people, personal perceptions, and a determination to stop thinking
> in terms of prejudice, but start acting with no prejudice.
>
> How about you Chuck? Are you a minority that has personally suffered the
> prejudices and injustices from the late 1800's (post slavery) through the
> 50s'? Were you even alive in the 50's? If you aren't a minority, do you
> really have the right to play this card to make your own point?
>
> It's not fair to assume the pains and trials of others just to make a point
> on a forum. That's responsible for propagating and keeping racism alive
> as much as racism itself, and that's what I find sad, and troubling - it
> isn't helping people actually experiencing racism or prejudice, and it isn't
> making us more aware of it - it's just igniting more and more resentment
> on both sides.
>
> Solving racism will only happen when both sides stop seeing skin color, culture
> and ethnic differences, and start seeing neighbors, friends and people instead.
> Bringing up the past is only useful as long as it keeps us from repeating
> it, but at a point it only serves to propagate the issue in areas where it
> doesn't exist (i.e. with people who are *not* prejudice - it gets old too
> hearing that I am lumped into the prejudice pot just for being white - that's
> also racism, and it too needs to stop if racism is to end completely). We
> are supposed to learn from history, not use it as a platform for spreading
> guilt, fear, "feel sorry for me", etc. Prejudice sucks. Racism sucks.
> Hating other people sucks. There is no value in any of these three. Isn't
> it time to set the example rather than just talking about it??
>
> If you are a minority, or in my case, a Christian, there are certainly cases
> of prejudice and imho, we absolutely should bring those to light and find
> a way to end them. Believe me, I really don't feel welcome here as a Christian,
> but of course, since I'm not a Muslim or a minority race, it's perfectly
> acceptible to berate me. And I see this everyday. Of course, I can hide
> my beliefs, and since not saying anything is easier than changing one's skin
> color, that's what I'm expected to do. But really, is there any difference?
>
> I have a diverse group of family members, friends, peers, colleagues, etc,
> and none of them complains about past events as a means to make the world
> feel sorry them - instead we deal with current issues and struggles that
> face us, not those of our grandfathers, great grandfathers, etc. I have
> the deepest respect for them, for their determination, character, integrity
> and success as a result.
>
> People that really want to make a difference don't wait for the world around
> them to change - they find a way to change the world around them, but not
> by beligerence, anger, or hatred, but by bringing people together to understand,
> comprehend, share both good and bad, and start anew.
>
> I could quote personal stories that are phenomenal testiments of exactly
> this, but out of respect for those people, I can't and won't. You don't
> know me from adam, what color my skin is, or what prejudice I, my friends,
> family, etc have personally endured or witnessed, and I don't claim that
> to amount to a hill of beans compared to what people endure in other parts
> of the world.
>
> You just proved my point on associating someone else's struggles Chuck, and
> I'll bet you've never even seen the inside of prejudice yourself - few of
> us really know what it's like, and those that do, act like they want to own
> it as a personal matter of pride, that no one else can help carry - that's
> also sad, because you might find a heck of a lot of support and encouragment
> by just letting it go, and opening up a bit, even here on a silly newsgroup.
> I feel sorry for those that really do experience it and have that belittled
> by people who only use it to grandstand their opinions. Maybe this NG should
> take a trip to the Sudan and see what real prejudice is all about. To be
> honest, I'm embarrassed for all of us, at how poorly we have come to understand
> one another and how quickly we are to pull the trigger on vitrolous comments
> and responses, to hide behind false names, and to use someone else's pain
> as a debating point.
>
> It would have been far better, if some had posted personal experiences, trials,
> struggles, etc, and let us unite as a community of audio and music people
> to encourage, support, and if at all possible, change that situation, to
> the best of our ability. Instead, through the anonymity of text, we debate
> issues usually out of our control, or at least we don't let on enough for
> anyone to know if you are personally experiencing that pain, struggle, etc.
> Sharing opinions is great, but is that really what this has come to now?
> We all stay so generic that there is nothing but emotionally charged banter
> to what we say, and it becomes impossible to associate the person with the
> pain behind the rant.
>
> Sad that it's come to this since there are some truly fantastic people here
> and the diversity of opinions and experiences is what made it fun to discuss,
> learn, grow, encourage, etc, even if it was supposed to just be about Paris.
>
>
> Good luck to you all, and my apologies for enciting this thread to continue,
> for sharing my beliefs and opinions.
>
> Dedric
>
> "Chuck Duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>> Hi Dedric,
>>
>> Your post was incredibly offensive to me, for the following reasons:
>>
>> "And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
> the
>> right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago"
>>
>> I believe we were lynching black americans right up into the 1950's. I don't
>> think I'm wrong about that.
>>
>> I believe that black americans were overtly and systematically deprived
> of
>> their rights as citizens clear through the 1970s and beyond. Look at the
>> legislation enacted and the case law related to access to financing, housing
>> and employment over the past three decades. It's a sad story, not a story
>> of entitlement, but of leveling the playing field.
>>
>> One of my firmest beliefs is that it's not up to the opressor to tell the
>> opressed when it's time to 'get over it'.
>>
>> Racisim is alive and well in America.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <notme@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> Point was, you simply launched a diatribe about slavery based on one word
>>> that had nothing, and I repeat, *nothing* to do with slavery. How about
>>> a game of word association, I say, "orange" you say slavery. I say balloon,
>>> you say "slavery". Get the picture yet?
>>>
>>> If you want to start a thread about how the word "fabric" offends you,
> feel
>>> free, but don't pass judgement and make assumptions about my intent in
> my
>>> reply to DJ. I wasn't talking to you, about you, or for your benefit,
> whoever
>>> you are.
>>>
>>> And I find it extraordinarily offensive that you would assume you have
> the
>>> right to cry about injustices done to other people over 150 years ago,
> and
>>> extrapolate that to being a permanent stigma dooming our country, and woven
>>> into every conversation from here to eternity. I won't bother to explain
>>> "fabric" to you since you didn't get it last time.
>>>
>>> If you want to play the game of associating yourself with the past for
> sake
>>> of playing victim, I'm part American Indian (direct descendant), and "we"
>>> were here first, and the first to lose rights and freedoms here. ;-)
> If
>>> you want to associate history with present day people, why not claim Germany
>>> is racist and doomed because of Hitler's genocidal mania? How about the
>>> Netherlands for the barbarians?
>>>
>>> Enough of this. I only came back to be clear about how diluded you are
>> in
>>> your assumptions in this debate. It used to be fun to hang out here and
>>> exchange opinions, however diverse, but this tangent really takes the cake
>>> - must be the twilight zone now. I guess now you'll rant about how "cake"
>>> or the word "twilight" is a "bull***" word as a result of slavery by some
>>> twisted and bizarre association as well. Have fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> "yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>> Why do yoy think that your opinion is the right one? Are you saying that
>>> this
>>>> country
>>>> was'nt built on the backs of slavery? How am I a hypocrite? Ask questions?
>>>> My
>>>> first post was nothing but questions. Having the guts to stand up for
>>>> what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>> pansy,
>>>> pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes". are serious?
>>>> Why did it take so long for every man to have the right same rights? Is'nt
>>>> that something we were suppose to believe in? Honor? respect? Look,do'nt
>>>> get
>>>> made at me or anyone that confronts you with the truth. I love this country
>>>> just as much as you. If I can say that with your permission. But we
>>>> have alot of work to do. We want to blame everyone else for are problems.(not
>>>> to say we are the cause of all the problems) Think what you want about
>> my
>>>> credibility,my words can stand on there own! This makes them no less true
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dt@noreply.com> wrote:
>>>>> Before you pass judgement, make ill-informed assumptions and become a
>> hypocrit
>>>>> yourself, read the context, ask questions, and attempt to actually understand
>>>>> other people. You just read a single word and extrapolated that into
>> left
>>>>> field.
>>>>>
>>>>> This had nothing to do with race. You might has well launched off a
> diatribe
>>>>> on the problems with meteor storms on Pluto.
>>>>>
>>>>> And in case you were wondering, by "fabric" I meant guts to stand up
> for
>>>>> what you believe in with integrity, honor and respect, but without any
>>> pansy,
>>>>> pacifist whining and hiding behind labels and stereotypes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw - posting like this without your real name is cowardly and destroys
>>>> any
>>>>> credibility to your opinion, but at least it supports my argument in
> spades.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Yah" <Blah@ya-ya.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Listen,
>>>>>> My comments are not about the article,I'm not defending the left. I
> just
>>>>>> find the statement "the fabric of are country" to be bullshit. We forget
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> are past and pass judgement on others. This is the self-righteousness
>>> I
>>>>> speak
>>>>>> of. As to why I do not post my name? Because of the self-righteousness
>>>> I
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>> of. Wake up! Clean up your backyard. Playing the race card? It could'nt
>>>>> be
>>>>>> played if racism was'nt true and alive today! You may look at my comments
>>>>>> as detour
>>>>>> into left field,but my comments are directed at your comment about the
>>>> "fabric"
>>>>>> of are country. The truth is almost all the founding fathers were slave
>>>>> owners,and
>>>>>> some only freed their slaves after they died. Now there is one thing
>> I
>>>> agree
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> with you is that this place has gone way down!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> And, btw - I can't believe anyone would even dare to post such racist
>>>>>>> propaganda as this
>>>>>>> (and that's exactly what it is) when the original post was on radical
>>>> islam,
>>>>>>> not slavery. Simply amazing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This forum really has lost it. I'm out. I've really had enough of
>> these
>>>>>>> far fetched bizarre reactions and detours into left field.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "YAH" <bla-bla@yah.com> wrote in message news:47e3dde1$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> The fabric of are nation? What is that? Salvery? segragation? racisim?
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> KKK?
>>>>>>>> self-righteousness!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've heard two separate commentaries (one a major news agency, the
>>> other
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Brit's personal rant) about how the UK is catering to the whims of
>>> Islam
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> they've restricted the use of the Three Little Pigs story in some
>> schools.
>>>>>>>>> England is funding Islamic schools for their Muslim citizens. They
>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> considering passing Islamic laws in some areas to appease that community
>>>>>>>>> (these were echoed in both, separate and independent commentaries
>> -
>>>> two
>>>>>>>>> completely different viewpoints seeing the same thing happen). In
>>> effect,
>>>>>>>>> the UK is making concessions right and left and getting nothing in
>>> return
>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>> just more demands. Forget their own history, people and culture,
>> just
>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>> up in the face of fear of suicide bombers, sarin gas, and extremist
>>>>>>>>> protests.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The news agency report basically said exactly what you are DJ - the
>>>> US
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing - bowing down and letting our "pacifist" leftwing
>>>>>>>>> veil
>>>>>>>>> of "peace" and "equality" and "justice" dupe us into giving up those
>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> ideals, playing right into the hands of extremism and even terrorism.
>>>>>>>>> That's the paradox that's become our country. And this is just one
>>>> case
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> how the left is ironically proposing and touting exactly the opposite
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> what is the fabric of our country.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/08 7:49 AM, in article 47e3bffd@linux, "Mr. Simplicity"
>>>>>>>>> <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Isn't this cute?
>>>>>>>>>> http://markhumphrys.com/left.islamic.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This one is the kicker though, and elucidates my periodic rants
>> better
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> I do:
>>>>>>>>>> http://dineshdsouza.com/books/enemy-intro.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our economy is gonna bounce along the bottom for a while. This
> wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> necessary. Now I hear the Democrats starting to harp on the economy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> tie
>>>>>>>>>> it ti Iraq. there is, most definitely, a connection.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2007/04/selfless-narcissism.htm l
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the following excerpt is something I've been ranting about
> here
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere for years:
>>>>>>>>>> The Democrats and their glorious leaders, who have become so
>>>>>>>>>> narcissistically invested in this country's defeat as a political
>>>>>>>>>> strategy
>>>>>>>>>> to accumulate power and "restore American honor", that they
>>>>>>>>>> have--wittingly
>>>>>>>>>> or unwittingly--decided to sell their countrymen out to the very
>>> enemy
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> are currently fighting. They mean well, of course. They do it for
>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> wonderful 'selfless' reasons--like "peace" and "social justice"
>> and
>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>> They really support the troops .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's just ignore the fact that they bear considerable responsibility
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> the ongoing violence and death of our troops as they enable and
>>>>>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>>>>>> the priorities of the enemy. Why should the terrorists alter their
>>>>>>>>>> homicidal
>>>>>>>>>> behavior? It is working! People like Nancy Pelosi are living proof
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> effectiveness of their strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There really is a problem. It's a problem that has been aggravated
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> encouraged by the left in this country..........you know, the
> ones
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand that they will be the first to be slaughtered
>>>>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>>>>> they have thrown a wrench in the gears of those who are willing
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> protect
>>>>>>>>>> them. They just do not get it. The Islamists parrot the leftist
>> American
>>>>>>>>>> Imperialist tripe that the leftists love to hear and ascribe to
>> this
>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>> but the Islamists do it by design, to dupe the left into helping
>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> destroy the protectors of the culture that the left hopes to protect
>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>> trying to appease those who will not be appeased until the leftists
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> either dead or are kneeling toward Mecca. Once it is too late,
> they
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> whine about how pissed off they are that there's no separation
> between
>>>>>>>>>> mosque and state...right before they are separated from their heads.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> recognized it years ago. So did lots of other people.....funny,
>> I
>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> hear a peep out of OBama though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK......now I'm of to rape the land.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bye.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Damn!!!...just like leave it to Beaver! [message #97388 is a reply to message #97349] |
Sun, 23 March 2008 08:07 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
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"How about you Chuck? Are you a minority that has personally suffered the
prejudices and injustices from the late 1800's (post slavery) through the
50s'? Were you even alive in the 50's? If you aren't a minority, do you
really have the right to play this card to make your own point? "
No, no and no. I get your point. I was late to the party (thread). I was
stirring the pot.
The only predjudice and injustice that I have ever experienced is by virtue
of growing up a criminally underweight, oddball, piano playing, non-sports
oriented computer geek beatle fan. I have to say that hasn't been all that
bad.
So, I apologize.
Chuck
Chuck
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