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| Re: Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System [message #95492 is a reply to message #95488] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 22:11   |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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The two Wilkinson's I have are both 2-pole pivots on a knife-
edge... I don't know if they have a straight-across knife edge
version. I don't have any negative sustain issues with the ones
i've got. Part of sustain is not just in the hardware, as I'm
sure you well know... pickups also contribute (IOW, if you've
got VERY hot p'ups, you normally get less sustain, due to the
magnets pulling on the strings too much, and if your body wood
is not very conducive to increasing/maintaining sustain, yer
kinda fukt. Also, neck wood, tuners, and neck joint integrity -
if you're talking about a bolt-on neck - also make
a difference).
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>That one sits on a blade edge if I recall correctly?
>Sustain probably is slightly better with that than the 2 pole pivot.
>
>AA
>
>"Neil" <OIOI@OUI.com> wrote in message news:47a6587d$1@linux...
>>
>> I like the Wilkinson trem bridge... simple, floats, stays in
>> tune.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>The advantage I see on this over a floyd/tremsetter is having more of
the
>>
>>>block attached to the body, which probably has more sustain than a
>>>standard
>>
>>>Floyd pivot type.
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:47a6226b$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJNvY4MlFg&NR=1
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System [message #95494 is a reply to message #95492] |
Sun, 03 February 2008 23:58 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Yippers. While I have absolutely no complaints on the aforementioned strat
type floater, it isn't quite up to sustain speed with my Gold Top. But what
strat is?
I had a custom neck (it's a bolt on) built for it though, and I keep it in
pretty tight mechanical shape. The dude that did the neck put a 12" radius
on it, so I have to keep the action just a bit higher than I'd like (as you
probably know, Floyd's are flat radius) but the neck pocket is T I G H T on
it as a result. It was worth the small trade off in radius to have the strat
feel to me, and what I found was that once I adjusted to it the sustain was
a little better and the hammer-ons just jumped out of the speakers.
AA
"Neil" <OIOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:47a69e93$1@linux...
>
> The two Wilkinson's I have are both 2-pole pivots on a knife-
> edge... I don't know if they have a straight-across knife edge
> version. I don't have any negative sustain issues with the ones
> i've got. Part of sustain is not just in the hardware, as I'm
> sure you well know... pickups also contribute (IOW, if you've
> got VERY hot p'ups, you normally get less sustain, due to the
> magnets pulling on the strings too much, and if your body wood
> is not very conducive to increasing/maintaining sustain, yer
> kinda fukt. Also, neck wood, tuners, and neck joint integrity -
> if you're talking about a bolt-on neck - also make
> a difference).
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>That one sits on a blade edge if I recall correctly?
>>Sustain probably is slightly better with that than the 2 pole pivot.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Neil" <OIOI@OUI.com> wrote in message news:47a6587d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I like the Wilkinson trem bridge... simple, floats, stays in
>>> tune.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>The advantage I see on this over a floyd/tremsetter is having more of
> the
>>>
>>>>block attached to the body, which probably has more sustain than a
>>>>standard
>>>
>>>>Floyd pivot type.
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:47a6226b$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJNvY4MlFg&NR=1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System [message #95501 is a reply to message #95494] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 09:39 |
Nei
Messages: 108
Registered: November 2006
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Senior Member |
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I had totally forgotten that the Floyd's are flat-radius!
They still don't make a version that has a curvature at all???
You know, you could always get a flat-radius neck from Warmoth -
they make KILLER necks, really good quality (and nice fancy
woods if you want 'em, too)! Well, a 16" radius, actually -
which is virtually flat. And they can set the neck up
pre-routed & drilled for a Floyd locking nut.
That way you wouldn't have to have high action at all.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Yippers. While I have absolutely no complaints on the aforementioned strat
>type floater, it isn't quite up to sustain speed with my Gold Top. But what
>strat is?
>I had a custom neck (it's a bolt on) built for it though, and I keep it
in
>pretty tight mechanical shape. The dude that did the neck put a 12" radius
>on it, so I have to keep the action just a bit higher than I'd like (as
you
>probably know, Floyd's are flat radius) but the neck pocket is T I G H T
on
>it as a result. It was worth the small trade off in radius to have the strat
>feel to me, and what I found was that once I adjusted to it the sustain
was
>a little better and the hammer-ons just jumped out of the speakers.
>
>AA
>
>"Neil" <OIOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:47a69e93$1@linux...
>>
>> The two Wilkinson's I have are both 2-pole pivots on a knife-
>> edge... I don't know if they have a straight-across knife edge
>> version. I don't have any negative sustain issues with the ones
>> i've got. Part of sustain is not just in the hardware, as I'm
>> sure you well know... pickups also contribute (IOW, if you've
>> got VERY hot p'ups, you normally get less sustain, due to the
>> magnets pulling on the strings too much, and if your body wood
>> is not very conducive to increasing/maintaining sustain, yer
>> kinda fukt. Also, neck wood, tuners, and neck joint integrity -
>> if you're talking about a bolt-on neck - also make
>> a difference).
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>That one sits on a blade edge if I recall correctly?
>>>Sustain probably is slightly better with that than the 2 pole pivot.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"Neil" <OIOI@OUI.com> wrote in message news:47a6587d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I like the Wilkinson trem bridge... simple, floats, stays in
>>>> tune.
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>The advantage I see on this over a floyd/tremsetter is having more of
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>block attached to the body, which probably has more sustain than a
>>>>>standard
>>>>
>>>>>Floyd pivot type.
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:47a6226b$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJNvY4MlFg&NR=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System [message #95524 is a reply to message #95501] |
Mon, 04 February 2008 19:21 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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well, for me I'm about 9~10 years playing it that way and it's a comfortable
fit... besides, I'm a pullback kinda dude and I like pinch harmonics that I
can raise 5 steps :) Did I mention I'm an old metal head Vai kinda guy?
What I don't get is why the saddles are not optional with different radius
builds. They might be by now, but I've never seen it. Would be a real cheap
fix to an age old issue.
AA
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:47a73fa8$1@linux...
>
> I had totally forgotten that the Floyd's are flat-radius!
> They still don't make a version that has a curvature at all???
> You know, you could always get a flat-radius neck from Warmoth -
> they make KILLER necks, really good quality (and nice fancy
> woods if you want 'em, too)! Well, a 16" radius, actually -
> which is virtually flat. And they can set the neck up
> pre-routed & drilled for a Floyd locking nut.
>
> That way you wouldn't have to have high action at all.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Yippers. While I have absolutely no complaints on the aforementioned strat
>
>>type floater, it isn't quite up to sustain speed with my Gold Top. But
>>what
>
>>strat is?
>>I had a custom neck (it's a bolt on) built for it though, and I keep it
> in
>>pretty tight mechanical shape. The dude that did the neck put a 12" radius
>
>>on it, so I have to keep the action just a bit higher than I'd like (as
> you
>>probably know, Floyd's are flat radius) but the neck pocket is T I G H T
> on
>>it as a result. It was worth the small trade off in radius to have the
>>strat
>
>>feel to me, and what I found was that once I adjusted to it the sustain
> was
>>a little better and the hammer-ons just jumped out of the speakers.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Neil" <OIOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:47a69e93$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The two Wilkinson's I have are both 2-pole pivots on a knife-
>>> edge... I don't know if they have a straight-across knife edge
>>> version. I don't have any negative sustain issues with the ones
>>> i've got. Part of sustain is not just in the hardware, as I'm
>>> sure you well know... pickups also contribute (IOW, if you've
>>> got VERY hot p'ups, you normally get less sustain, due to the
>>> magnets pulling on the strings too much, and if your body wood
>>> is not very conducive to increasing/maintaining sustain, yer
>>> kinda fukt. Also, neck wood, tuners, and neck joint integrity -
>>> if you're talking about a bolt-on neck - also make
>>> a difference).
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>That one sits on a blade edge if I recall correctly?
>>>>Sustain probably is slightly better with that than the 2 pole pivot.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <OIOI@OUI.com> wrote in message news:47a6587d$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the Wilkinson trem bridge... simple, floats, stays in
>>>>> tune.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>The advantage I see on this over a floyd/tremsetter is having more of
>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>block attached to the body, which probably has more sustain than a
>>>>>>standard
>>>>>
>>>>>>Floyd pivot type.
>>>>>>AA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:47a6226b$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tremolo - TremKing Vibrato System
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyJNvY4MlFg&NR=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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