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John [1]
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Neil, You said it all brother. That's exactly where I'm coming from.
John
Neil wrote:
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> John.
>> In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
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>> Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
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>> buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
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>> that road.
>> I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>> (heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
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>> run as soon as you plug it in.
>> FWIW
>
> While I agree with you that there's probably NO DAW/PC combo
> that would run perfectly reliably from the get-go (unless you DO
> have one purpose-built & bench-tested by someone like Chris
> Ludwig's company or something like it, there is no way you'd
> have as mnay problems with a solid Swineberg rig as you would
> if you scratch-built a Paris rig right now... sorry, that's
> really the way it is, and one of the reasons I "went Native".
>
> Paris sounds great, Studer 2" decks sound great, Fairlight
> CMI's sound great, but all are well past their productive usage
> point in terms of the current real world, so unless you've
> already got a current Pais rig that works & rocks reliably,
> & gives you EVERYTHING you particularly need, there's no point
> in trying to update the situation; if you're needing more than
> it can give you, you can either move on, or become like Deej &
> get that mad scientist thing happening & spend 27 months
> trying to get one fucking thing to work a certain way & still
> not get there.
>
> Deej, i love ya, and I think your perseverance is to be
> applauded; but i don't get some of you guys - the sound is NO
> LONGER that good, compared to what you can get natively.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74032 is a reply to message #74021] |
Sat, 14 October 2006 03:23 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Oh and I can't wait to see what it's like to get support again. Wow I
miss that.
John
Neil wrote:
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> John.
>> In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
>
>> Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>
>> buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
>
>> that road.
>> I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>> (heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
>
>> run as soon as you plug it in.
>> FWIW
>
> While I agree with you that there's probably NO DAW/PC combo
> that would run perfectly reliably from the get-go (unless you DO
> have one purpose-built & bench-tested by someone like Chris
> Ludwig's company or something like it, there is no way you'd
> have as mnay problems with a solid Swineberg rig as you would
> if you scratch-built a Paris rig right now... sorry, that's
> really the way it is, and one of the reasons I "went Native".
>
> Paris sounds great, Studer 2" decks sound great, Fairlight
> CMI's sound great, but all are well past their productive usage
> point in terms of the current real world, so unless you've
> already got a current Pais rig that works & rocks reliably,
> & gives you EVERYTHING you particularly need, there's no point
> in trying to update the situation; if you're needing more than
> it can give you, you can either move on, or become like Deej &
> get that mad scientist thing happening & spend 27 months
> trying to get one fucking thing to work a certain way & still
> not get there.
>
> Deej, i love ya, and I think your perseverance is to be
> applauded; but i don't get some of you guys - the sound is NO
> LONGER that good, compared to what you can get natively.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74033 is a reply to message #74028] |
Sat, 14 October 2006 03:26 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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Don't think I won't buy a Mac. Rick loves em ! Ok, how much is a Mac
these days? Double a PC or are they the same box now?
John
James McCloskey wrote:
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> John.
>> In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues with
>
>> Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>
>> buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go down
>
>> that road.
>> I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>> (heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that will
>
>> run as soon as you plug it in.
>> FWIW
>> --
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
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> Or you could just buy a Mac!
>
> James
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45301bfa$1@linux...
>>> Just off the phone with the smart people at $weetwater and they are
>>> thinking:
>>>
>>> ad16x > fireface 800 24 analog
>>> or
>>> 2 frontier tango 24
>>>
>>> They are recommending Firewire over PCI to allow for easy computer
>>> upgrades.
>>> Makes sense to me. He also said the got a bunch of the top apps like
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>>> cubase,
>>> nuendo, sonar and such and rendered tracks out with 1 channel flipped
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>>> phase
>>> and then put it in the other apps and the sound nulled out which means
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>>> they
>>> are the same.
>>>
>>> Interesting. Sad to say goodbye Paris but I gotta get reliable.
>>>
>>> John
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74036 is a reply to message #74025] |
Sat, 14 October 2006 08:39 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hey DJ,
Not the muddy the waters with more choices but...any single socket Intel
Core 2 Duo will do this also at a lower price and have more future
upgrade options than the current Opterons. The Core 2 will also have way
better low latency performance than the Opterons. You will have better
case and cooling choices (even passive) compared to the Opteron also.
Depending on your motherboard choice 3 PCI/3 PCI-e so 1 less PCI than
Opteron models. Ram is the only other benefit for Opterons is the extra
memory slot available under a 64bit OS. The new dual Xeons out perform
the Opterons in a similar price range also. Quad core CPUs are already
available for the Core2 and will soon be for the Xeon.(..uuummmm 8 CPUS).
Chris
DJ wrote:
>I was talking to a certain respectable member of our audio community
>yesterday about a pricing a Madi/ Dual dualcore Opteron rig. It's pretty
>much capable of everything Paris can do as far as low latency performance. A
>used MADI card and ADAT interface capable of 64 I/O and a 96k capable RME 8
>chanell AD/DA would run around 3k. I didn't spec out a computer because I
>would probably roll my own, but a "build to spec" Opteron rig might be as
>low as $2500.00, depending on the "goodies".
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OU.com> wrote in message news:45306d4b$1@linux...
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>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>John.
>>>In all honesty here, I think that if you are having reliability issues
>>>
>>>
>with
>
>
>>>Win and Paris, you'll have the same or similar problems with any daw you
>>>
>>>
>>>buy, with the possible exception of ProFools, and you don't want to go
>>>
>>>
>down
>
>
>>>that road.
>>>I would suggest that you choose a DAW, and get someone like Morgan, or
>>>(heaven forbid), Sweetwater to build a purpose built box for you that
>>>
>>>
>will
>
>
>>>run as soon as you plug it in.
>>>FWIW
>>>
>>>
>>While I agree with you that there's probably NO DAW/PC combo
>>that would run perfectly reliably from the get-go (unless you DO
>>have one purpose-built & bench-tested by someone like Chris
>>Ludwig's company or something like it, there is no way you'd
>>have as mnay problems with a solid Swineberg rig as you would
>>if you scratch-built a Paris rig right now... sorry, that's
>>really the way it is, and one of the reasons I "went Native".
>>
>>Paris sounds great, Studer 2" decks sound great, Fairlight
>>CMI's sound great, but all are well past their productive usage
>>point in terms of the current real world, so unless you've
>>already got a current Pais rig that works & rocks reliably,
>>& gives you EVERYTHING you particularly need, there's no point
>>in trying to update the situation; if you're needing more than
>>it can give you, you can either move on, or become like Deej &
>>get that mad scientist thing happening & spend 27 months
>>trying to get one fucking thing to work a certain way & still
>>not get there.
>>
>>Deej, i love ya, and I think your perseverance is to be
>>applauded; but i don't get some of you guys - the sound is NO
>>LONGER that good, compared to what you can get natively.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
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--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Daw Daw Daw ! [message #74038 is a reply to message #74036] |
Sat, 14 October 2006 09:00 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hey DJ,
>Not the muddy the waters with more choices but...any single socket Intel
>Core 2 Duo will do this also at a lower price and have more future
>upgrade options than the current Opterons. The Core 2 will also have way
>better low latency performance than the Opterons. You will have better
>case and cooling choices (even passive) compared to the Opteron also.
>Depending on your motherboard choice 3 PCI/3 PCI-e so 1 less PCI than
>Opteron models. Ram is the only other benefit for Opterons is the extra
>memory slot available under a 64bit OS. The new dual Xeons out perform
>the Opterons in a similar price range also. Quad core CPUs are already
>available for the Core2 and will soon be for the Xeon.(..uuummmm 8 CPUS).
With all the people around the globe using PC's for recording
- from the full-blown commercial studios, down to the guy
tracking his own tunes in his bedroom - I'm kinda surprised
that no company has come up with a new PC design with, let's say three CPU's
- one for the OS & the rest of the system, one
dedicated to plug-in's, and one dedicated to the summing buss.
Or maybe that's impossible... I don't know about that sort of
thing; but it seems that if they came up with the hardware, it
would be easy to encourage Steinberg, Magix, etc to rewrite a
portion of their apps code for a version of their particular
DAW software that would be able to tell the application to run
off the main CPU, send the plug-in's through another CPU, then
sum through the third.
Now THAT would rock! Don't know if it's even possible, but if
there's a big enough market for all these different DAW software
& plugin software companies, there's certainly a big enough
market for a specialized PC Mobo.
Neil
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