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ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56532] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 19:29 |
Neil
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>> A band out of state is wanting me to do some drum programming
>> on a song for them (the drummer's not available at this time...
>> Columbian prison or something - you know, typical drummer...
>> JUST KIDDING lol). Anyway, so the guy sends me a CD - audio
>> CD, not wav, even. and i'm supposed to strip out the click on
>> one channel & his rhythm guitar on the other & program a MIDI
>> drum track to match it, but..... (wait for it)
>> it drifts no matter what tempo i use; 81 is perfect for about a
>> minute in, then it starts drifting, 82 starts drifting too fast
>> almost instantly, 80 starts drifting too slow in the same
>> manner; i double it to 162 to get more precise "nudges", but
>> 163 starts drifting too fast & 162 starts drifting too slow -
>> just takes longer to do it. Sorry, can't go up to 324, I tell
>> him, workstation won't go that high LOL He's not on a DAW, so
>> we can't exchange any kind of files directly.
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>> I'm gonna have to program it from scratch by ea
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56533 is a reply to message #56532] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 21:10 |
Jamie K
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r at 81 while
>> listening to his rhythm track on a regular CD player - uurgh.
>> Anyway, just griping... anyone else ever deal with this?
>>
>> Neil
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>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Yup, and here's how I handle it.
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>>Pull the wav, split it out to two PAF files.
>>Drop those in Paris. Get a basic tempo, which you have already done.
>>Cut them both in the editor so that the first click starts right at the
>top.
>>Enable Grid.
>>set the tempo to be 8/4, or even 16/4.. you'll get better resolution doing
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>>it this way.
>>Now, adjust the tempo in the project window until the last click is dead
>on
>>the beat
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>>Done.
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>>Surely you're editor of choice can do something similar??
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>>AA
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>That’s fine if the temp is “in between”, but not if the tempo actually drifts.
>Gene
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>Automatically, Automatically, Automatically, Automatically!
I think Geno's right... it's somewhere "in between", and get
this... the problem is compounded by the fact that his click is
a hi-hat sample run through a digital delay & set to a loop.
CubaseSX will go down to 10th's of a beat on tempo set
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56542 is a reply to message #56539] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 22:21 |
JeffH
Messages: 307 Registered: October 2007 Location: Wamic, OR
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anner; i double it to 162 to get more precise "nudges", but
>>> 163 starts drifting too fast & 162 starts drifting too slow -
>>> just takes longer to do it. Sorry, can't go up to 324, I tell
>>> him, workstation won't go that high LOL He's not on a DAW, so
>>> we can't exchange any kind of files directly.
>>>
>>> I'm gonna have to program it from scratch by ear at 81 while
>>> listening to his rhythm track on a regular CD player - uurgh.
>>> Anyway, just griping... anyone else ever deal with this?
>>>
>>> Neil
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>>>So this would be St. Mattress cathedral?
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>Now THAT is funny! :D
I´m obviously missing a reference here... I don´t get it...
Cheers,
Kim (the stupid ;o)i would just play them one straight and one "happy" pass and tell them
you don't have time for the second especially if paying is not f[art
of the fun.
i know what you mean about the blame game. one bands financial backer
blamed me for the projects delay when the singer had a 6 week bout
with laryngitis.
On Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:32:14 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>heheheheh!!!!!!!!!.........and right after the *detection* they started
>production of Gaucho.
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>I still listen to *th' Dan*......a lot. The guitar instrumental on Third
>world Man still gives me a rush.
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>;o)
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>"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:42f00fb6$1@linux...
>> Ha! Good stuff. And you can bet that was the least of the stuff they were
>> "detecting" before, during, and after their sessions....
>>
>> Jimmy
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>> "Neil" <OIUIOU@OI.com> wrote in message news:42f00456@linux...
>> >
>> > "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >I thought that was because they were enjoying the el supremo in the
>room
>> > at
>> > >the top of the stairs.
>> >
>> > No, just detecting it. :D
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>Let's just say lunch inspired them !!!
Mark McDermott wrote:
> I thought that was because they were enjoying the el supremo in the room at
> the top of the stairs.
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> Cheers!
>
> Mark
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> John <no@no.com> wrote:
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>>S
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56544 is a reply to message #56539] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 23:39 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988 Registered: May 2008
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>>>>Engineering JX2 Switchbone) and various mics set up for upright bass,
>>>>mandolin, guitar, vocals and dobro. All in all there were 9 active
>>>>mics and
>>>>within 2 hours we had the better part of 6 songs in the can.
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>>>>Then a bunch of their *friends* came by and so it was break time. When
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>>>>they
>>>>got in from the break they were so zoned that we spent the next 3 hours
>>>>trying to get 2 songs properly tracked. Never happened. Sloppy crap that
>>>>they will never be happy with, so their little *break* cost them a fair
>>>>chunk of change. My billing doesn't stop for this, but there was
>>>>*grumbling*
>>>>about it because they weren't happy with how the second half of the
>>>>session
>>>>went.
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>>>>If I hear any more of this *grumbling* shit tonight, I'm going to
>>>>throw them
>>>>out on their collective asses.
>>>>
>>>>DJ
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>I mean smoker/drinker or not, you gotta admit that bars just aint the same
without that cloud and it feels like something has been taken away from
life.You're probably really fast at this sort of thing, but me, it'd take hours.
What about hiring a drummer (maybe hitting midi pads or using drumagog???)
A good hitter could nail the track in 1-3 takes. Just a thought.
MR
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>A band out of state is wanting me to do some drum programming
>on a song for them (the drummer's not available at this time...
>Columbian prison or something - you know, typical drummer...
>JUST KIDDING lol). Anyway, so the guy sends me a CD - audio
>CD, not wav, even. and i'm supposed to strip out the click on
>one channel & his rhythm guitar on the other & program a MIDI
>drum track to match it, but..... (wait for it)
>it drifts no matter what tempo i use; 81 is perfect for about a
>minute in, then it starts drifting, 82 starts drifting too fast
>almost instantly, 80 starts drifting too slow in the same
>manner; i double it to 162 to get more precise "nudges", but
>163 starts drifting too fast & 162 starts drifting too slow -
>just takes longer to do it. So
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56545 is a reply to message #56538] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 23:40 |
Aaron Allen
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rry, can't go up to 324, I tell
>him, workstation won't go that high LOL He's not on a DAW, so
>we can't exchange any kind of files directly.
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>I'm gonna have to program it from scratch by ear at 81 while
>listening to his rhythm track on a regular CD player - uurgh.
>Anyway, just griping... anyone else ever deal with this?
>
>NeilWent out to eat last night -the place had a bar. Put on the same pants this
morning and for a moment thought: "whoa boy those pants 'll smell." At the
conclusion of this mini brain fart I remembered the place was smoke free.
However, if I do need a little hit of nostalgia, I pull out my old six
string (played in many a smoke filled bar in the 70's and 80's) stick my
nose in the sound hole and inhale. And yes, midst the momentary whiff of
stale smoke, I recall thrity or so people on their backs in a puddle of beer
on the floor, doing a kind of reptillian hokey pokey...
MR :)
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I mean smoker/drinker or not, you gotta admit that bars just aint the same
>without that cloud and it feels like something has been taken away from
>life.
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>As a reformed smoker, I couldn't be happier about it. That's the main reasons
I quit playing clubs a few years back. Was killing me. Of course here in
good old NC, it'll be a cold day in hell before we'll have smokefree bars.
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>I mean smoker/drinker or not, you gotta admit that bars just aint the same
>without that cloud and it feels like something has been taken away from
>life.
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>I know this is gonna sound stupid, but have you ever thought of just
"playing" the drums rather than programing them? I'm assuming that you have
a midi capable keyboard or some other triggering device. A very good friend
of mine would literally play a DMT-8 like a drummer would, and we would
record the kick, snare, and toms in one pass, then the cymbals in another.
Once he recorded everthing, I would go into Cubase (what we were running at
the time) and manually correct the hits that were too noticebly out of time
to leave. I would try to set the tempo to double what it was (similar to
you moving up to 162), that way I had an easier time moving the midi notes
around. You really got a live or real drummer feel by doing this.
It actually went much faster this way, then when I tried to program drums
myself.
Just an idea, if you really get stuck! :)
Stephen
We
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56550 is a reply to message #56532] |
Wed, 03 August 2005 05:12 |
emarenot
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lol). Anyway, so the guy sends me a CD - audio
> CD, not wav, even. and i'm supposed to strip out the click on
> one channel & his rhythm guitar on the other & program a MIDI
> drum track to match it, but..... (wait for it)
> it drifts no matter what tempo i use; 81 is perfect for about a
> minute in, then it starts drifting, 82 starts drifting too fast
> almost instantly, 80 starts drifting too slow in the same
> manner; i double it to 162 to get more precise "nudges", but
> 163 starts drifting too fast & 162 starts drifting too slow -
> just takes longer to do it. Sorry, can't go up to 324, I tell
> him, workstation won't go that high LOL He's not on a DAW, so
> we can't exchange any kind of files directly.
>
> I'm gonna have to program it from scratch by ear at 81 while
> listening to his rhythm track on a regular CD player - uurgh.
> Anyway, just griping... anyone else ever deal with this?
>
> NeilYeah, I've got an "ahem" as well. Deej......
So Mike, what I want to do is clock a 3-MEC system from a Lucid clock via
BNC. Will the Rumour pick up the clcok signal via SPDIF from an MEC? And I
guess if it will do that it will pick the signal up with a Digipatch in the
way as well...I'm adding a Mangler soon....
Thanks!
Jimmy
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56553 is a reply to message #56532] |
Wed, 03 August 2005 06:33 |
Stephen Stecyk
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t; <pn@nc.com> wrote in message news:42f0c2e0$1@linux...
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> As a reformed smoker, I couldn't be happier about it. That's the main
reasons
> I quit playing clubs a few years back. Was killing me. Of course here in
> good old NC, it'll be a cold day in hell before we'll have smokefree bars.
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> >I mean smoker/drinker or not, you gotta admit that bars just aint the
same
> >without that cloud and it feels like something has been taken away from
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> >life.
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>yep and it works quite well
EK Sound wrote:
> Cubase/Nuendo has a feature where you can set the bar markers to the
> actual audio, thereby allowing the sequencing and subsequent quantizing
> of midi events to the aforementioned audio. :-)
>
> David.
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> Neil wrote:
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>> A band out of state is wanting me to do some drum programming
>> on a song for them (the drummer's not available at this time...
>> Columbian prison or something - you know, typical drummer...
>> JUST KIDDING lol). Anyway, so the guy sends me a CD - audio
>> CD, not wav, even. and i'm supposed to strip out the click on
>> one channel & his rhythm guitar on the other & program a MIDI
>> drum track to match it, but..... (wait for it)
>> it drifts no matter what tempo i use; 81 is perfect for about a
>> minute in, then it starts drifting, 82 starts drifting too fast
>> almost instantly, 80 starts drifting too slow in the same
>> manner; i double it to 162 to get more precise "nudges", but
>> 163 starts drifting too fast & 162 starts drifting too slow -
>> just takes longer to do it. Sorry, can't go up to 324, I tell
>> him, workstation won't go that high LOL He's not on a DAW, so
>> we can't exchange any kind of files directly.
>>
>> I'm gonna have to program it from scratch by ear at 81 while
>> listening to his rh
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56554 is a reply to message #56532] |
Wed, 03 August 2005 06:45 |
Chris Ludwig
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ythm track on a regular CD player - uurgh.
>> Anyway, just griping... anyone else ever deal with this?
>> Neil
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Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comGood thing, too.
Here in Colorado some cities have made the change and some still haven't.
It's a joy to play a gig in a non-smoking establishment.
It's a real drag to play in the thick, stale atmosphere of constant
suspended carcinogenic particulates. And decontaminate after the gig.
Smoke gets into everything, clothes, hair, gear.
If you want to talk about "taking away from life," nic sticks kill more
people than the next three or four top categories combined. Smoking is
the number one killer by a long shot. I can't be too awfully nostalgic
about that.
It'd be like missing the sound of gunfire during gigs: "remember when
you could shoot yer shotgun whenever and wherever you wanted in bars,
man I miss those days."
Cigs are incredibly addictive, I have friends who try and try and cannot
break free. Banning smoking inside bars/restaurants hasn't helped them
stop. They find many opportunities to poison themselves. But at least in
some places they aren't allowed to poison everyone around them at the
same time.
If you smoke and have kids, whatever you do don't smoke around the kids.
And if you need incentive to quit, think about whether you want to be
around for your kids as they grow up.
Cigs are the perfect product, try them for a bit and you can't stop.
What a marketing opportunity! Except for the lung damage, cancer and
early death part. Customers die off, but no problem, it's easy to
recruit new ones.
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Re: ARRRGH! Incompatibility sucks (O.T. post) [message #56560 is a reply to message #56557] |
Wed, 03 August 2005 09:06 |
Chris Ludwig
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> If you smoke and have kids, whatever you do don't smoke around the kids.
> And if you need incentive to quit, think about whether you want to be
> around for your kids as they grow up.
>
> Cigs are the perfect product, try them for a bit and you can't stop. What
> a marketing opportunity! Except for the lung damage, cancer and early
> death part. Customers die off, but no problem, it's easy to recruit new
> ones.
>
> Thanks but no thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie K
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
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> justcron wrote:
>> I mean smoker/drinker or not, you gotta admit that bars just aint the
>> same
>> without that cloud and it feels like something has been taken away from
>> life.
>>
>>
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>>OK then, perhaps you will get lucky at the Church of Our Lady of Perpetual
Motion?
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:42f08394$1@linux...
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> >>So this would be St. Mattress cathedral?
> >
> >Now THAT is funny! :D
>
> I´m obviously missing a reference here... I don´t get it...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim (the stupid ;o)I always figured, if you dont want to smell like smoke... dont go to the
bar...
no need to try to take it over.
bars aren't supposed to be ethical.. its a frikkin bar.
have you noticed how many people dont even go to the bar anymore...
less drinkers... less tippers... less live music... pub e
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