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| Re: If you were to buy a new native DAW PC today... [message #83661 is a reply to message #83658] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 15:13   |
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Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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I was gonna make the plunge on a quad myself. Wasn't sure if I was going to
go with a dual socket Xeon or AMD or a single socket Intel Quad. The AMD
Socket F Opteron CPU's will be upgradable to the Barcelona Quads and the
XEONs may be upgradable to Octo cores (not sure though) , but from what I'm
hearing, the single Opteron Quads won't be upgradable on the same mobo to
the upcoming Octos. Still, an Opteron Quad should last you a while and
getting into the server level stuff is a bit pricier. I just about had
myself convinced to go with a Tyan S2915mobo, two Santa Rosas and 4G RAM,
but I'm in a circling pattern right now trying to weigh the necessities. I'm
thinking I could do pretty much everything I want to do on this if I had a
64 bit OS with lots of RAM, but it will require a new 64 bit expansion
chassis (or a lot of new hardware) to do this and that's another $2k.
I think a quad Intel would be a great system and even the less expensive
QX6600 should rock, most riteously!!!
;o)
"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
news:462e7b13@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> Intel E6600 Core 2 Extreme - $659.99 for 9.6GHz - looks like they're out
>> of
>> them today (or $970.00 for QX 6700-10.4GHz)
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&am p;N=2+50001157+40000343+1389627502+1050722264&Subcategor y=343&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
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>> 2 gig Corsair XMS2 PC6400 (I'm just going with 2 gigs for now) -$158.00
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>> ASUS EN7950GT/HTDP/512M GeForce 7950GT 256-$254.99
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121 025
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>> Corsair PSU - $169.99
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139 002
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>> Barracuda 500G SATA-$139.00 x 2= $278.00
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>> $2040.97 for QX 6700
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>> With a QX6600, OEM mobo, RAM and PSU (use your own HD's) around $1300.00
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> Thanks, DJ! I've been trying to hold off as long as possible (4 years on
> my P4 2.53).
>
> Graham
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| Re: If you were to buy a new native DAW PC today... [message #83667 is a reply to message #83661] |
Tue, 24 April 2007 16:05 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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DJ wrote:
> I was gonna make the plunge on a quad myself. Wasn't sure if I was going to
> go with a dual socket Xeon or AMD or a single socket Intel Quad. The AMD
> Socket F Opteron CPU's will be upgradable to the Barcelona Quads and the
> XEONs may be upgradable to Octo cores (not sure though) , but from what I'm
> hearing, the single Opteron Quads won't be upgradable on the same mobo to
> the upcoming Octos. Still, an Opteron Quad should last you a while and
> getting into the server level stuff is a bit pricier. I just about had
> myself convinced to go with a Tyan S2915mobo, two Santa Rosas and 4G RAM,
> but I'm in a circling pattern right now trying to weigh the necessities. I'm
> thinking I could do pretty much everything I want to do on this if I had a
> 64 bit OS with lots of RAM, but it will require a new 64 bit expansion
> chassis (or a lot of new hardware) to do this and that's another $2k.
>
> I think a quad Intel would be a great system and even the less expensive
> QX6600 should rock, most riteously!!!
>
and overclockable!!!
> ;o)
>
>
>
> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
> news:462e7b13@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
>>> Intel E6600 Core 2 Extreme - $659.99 for 9.6GHz - looks like they're out
>>> of
>>> them today (or $970.00 for QX 6700-10.4GHz)
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&am p;N=2+50001157+40000343+1389627502+1050722264&Subcategor y=343&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc=
>>>
>>> 2 gig Corsair XMS2 PC6400 (I'm just going with 2 gigs for now) -$158.00
>>>
>>> ASUS EN7950GT/HTDP/512M GeForce 7950GT 256-$254.99
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121 025
>>>
>>> Corsair PSU - $169.99
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139 002
>>>
>>> Barracuda 500G SATA-$139.00 x 2= $278.00
>>>
>>> $2040.97 for QX 6700
>>>
>>> With a QX6600, OEM mobo, RAM and PSU (use your own HD's) around $1300.00
>> Thanks, DJ! I've been trying to hold off as long as possible (4 years on
>> my P4 2.53).
>>
>> Graham
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: If you were to buy a new native DAW PC today... [message #83691 is a reply to message #83686] |
Wed, 25 April 2007 11:02 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Graham,
Be sure to back up your work religiously if using (any drive, of course, but
especially) RAID 0. If one either of the drives dies, you're hosed.
I've been thinking some more about the pros and cons of moving to a larger
system some more. Yesterday I thought I might just stay with what I've got,
until I started jacking around with a second DAW running systemlink to get
some tracks streaming in a mix to my main DAW. though a bit more elegant, it
involves a lesser, but still annoying amount of complication, similar to
what I had going on when I was interfacing Paris with Cubase. I used to
enjoy this and felt good about having all of the *options* that it afforded.
Streaming VSTi just puts such a load on the system I know it's possible to
freeze and that is a viable option also, but limiting in flexibility. It is
possible for RAM above 2G to be recognized in Win XP by some apps right now
by doing a bit of registry tweaking. What will be great with Vista (and what
Macs have had for a while) is the ability to use lots of RAM in a program
that can utilize it for VSTi. Gene's earlier post about the DP system on the
8 core DAW sounds like a dream come true. It would be possible to daisy
chain a bunch of farm systems using Steiny systemlink, midi over LAN, etc.,
but, for me, that's just reinventing a wheel that I wanted to lose when I
decided to go native. If my info is correct (and I think it is), the Intel
Quad single socket system would allow up to 8GB of RAM and provide you lots
of CPU for virtual instruments/plugins. A server level Opteron/Xeon board
will have bigger/faster/more data pipelines, both CPU sockets *may* be
expandable beyond quad CPU's when they arrive and these will accommodate
much larger amounts of RAM given an OS and audio application that can
utilize it. They are also a bit more expensive-think $500.00-$2000.00 beyond
the Quad single socket Intel depending on how you trick it out.
Something about the Tyan S2915 mobo has captured my imagination. It just
seems to have every option I could possibly want and has proven to be
comnpatible with UAD-1 cards. If I were going to design a mobo within the
limits of current technology, it would be the Tyan S2915.
Deej
"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
news:462f7204@linux...
> Chris,
>
> Thank you so much. I'll look into Raid 0. I like the idea of being able
> to use my IDE drives as backup for the Raid!
>
> In general, I'm only playing back this many tracks for mixes, and it's an
> extreme example. When mix clients use 96k, I want a system that doesn't
> sputter when trying to handle it (which my P4 2.53 does now with lots of
> track freezing).
>
> I'll see if I can swing the Quad -- frankly most of the plugins I want to
> run are CPU hungry... so I guess I don't really have a choice there!
> lol...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Graham
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| Re: If you were to buy a new native DAW PC today... [message #83696 is a reply to message #83694] |
Wed, 25 April 2007 12:09 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Just for grins, I went out and priced the following:
Tyan S2914 mobo
2 x 2.6GHz Dual core Santa Rosa Opteron CPU's
4 GB Samsung DDR2 667 CL5
4 x Seagate 300GB 7200RPM SATA 2 HD's
(I've got a WD 10k Raptor here for the OS and another one as a backup)
I don't need a computer case so the whole package comes to $2202.87. That
ain't bad and it's definitely dual quad upgradable with the capability of
running monstrous amounts of RAM and enough bussing pipeline to move massive
amounts of data. If figure it might be a two-three year fix.
I've also been considering the Macs. This system I've priced is probably
not quite as quick as the dual socket MacIntel, but both are upgradable to
quads. The Tyan has "lots" more configuration options than the Mac and I'm
not as much worried about relative speed between the two at this level. I'm
thinking in terms of value (my perception of value, of course),
compatibility with the hardware tools I am using now and the considerable
investment I have in them, and whether it will suit my needs for the
forseeable future. Speed is a relative thing when you get to this level
especially considering that my needs will likely never be those of the guys
that are using these to stream huge amounts of audio and video, and to trick
out the Mac with the extra RAM, HD's and considering that since the Mac has
only 3 x PCIe slots, I would have to spring for over 2.5K worth of
additional/new hardware to get the storage, memory and I/O options that I
would have with the Tyan so the relative difference in price is substantial
for my situation.
Performance and compatibility reviews that I've found that would relate to
DAWs running the Tyan S2915 hardware are very favorable.
;o)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:462f9f0d$1@linux...
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> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
> news:462f9dba$1@linux...
>> Thanks DJ. I guess the problem is, no matter how powerful your system
>> is, one will always need more power down the line. I think a single Quad
>> will probably be best for me right now in terms or price/performance.
>>
>> I'll have a look at the Tyan board, though. ;)
>>
>> Graham
>
> You know you need one of these............
>
> http://www.atacom.com:80/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id= 894775_205_201_214_238&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code =MBKF_TYAN_NF_08&USER_ID=www
>
> ;o)
>
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