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Deej [1]
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n every bodies voice is welcome in my world.
On Fri, 2 Sep 2005 17:58:32 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree that this was pretty awful. Was it FEMA's fault? I don't know. How
>effective would it have been to rush a bunch of stuff in there only to have
>it be destroyed in a flood or commandeered by looters? I don't think anyone
>knew what was going to happen, but if anyone should have had a reading on
>this and their finger on the pulse of the whole thing, it should have been
>local and state officials first off. I saw the evacuation announcement by
>the mayor of NO. It wasn't persuasive at all and it was wayyyyy too late. He
>should have had emergency personnel out in the neighborhoods convincing
>community leaders to get onboard with a real evacuation. It's pretty obvious
>that no one wanted to leave because they were afraid that if they did,
>they'd lose their possessions to thieves......which is what happened anyway.
>If you've ever lived in New Orleans, you know that the crime rate is bad and
>if you don't cover your own ass right then and there, it's going to be too
>little, too late when the cops show up. In the absence of a huge push from
>local authorities, I can understand why these folks didn't want to leave.
>The planning was bad, but the beginning of the disaster lies with the local
>political machine.
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>What I'm wondering about is who made the decision that a category 3 levee
>was going to be sufficient to protect the city.
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57605 is a reply to message #57592] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 19:54 |
justcron
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ort believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
> less believing your perception is accurate.
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> I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
etc),
> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
lead
> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
on
> this forum is any more perfect either.
>
> The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
Him
> through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
> own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
> Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
> with God's love to share that very same message with our speech, our
> actions, and our lives - not through hatred, judgement or condemnation.
> Satan loves to twist that message around, and indeed the intent of
> well-meaning Christians - what better way to destroy God's design than to
> discredit His followers, if not dishearten or overtake them?
>
> Thanks for your time jp, or anyone else that read this lonnnnnggg post.
> Back to work, and best regards.
>
> DedricFor me, lately, yes. Low hundreds, but yes.
I sleep 8 hours a night, I have the TV on the rest of the day for the last 6
days. Do the math.
Insert smiley face here.
Jimmy
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:43190b89@linux...
> Are there hundreds of hours in six days to watch footage?
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> ;-p
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> JH
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> uptown jimmy wrote:
> > You didn't mention race, Deej. But lots of folks are mentioning it.
> >
> > I've watched hundreds of hours of TV footage in the last 6 days, and
very,
> > very few of those hardest hit are white. There are
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57610 is a reply to message #57605] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 20:38 |
Deej [1]
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's stage.
>>
>>Whether you believe in God or not, He does lead people today, and He does
>>put events into motion for His purposes. Perhaps Iraq had nothing to do
>>with future defense or terrorism concerns, but simply the ability of a
>>people to have a chance at true freedom.
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>>>"I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but
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> I
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>>>sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I
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> know
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>>>it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it."
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>>This is a basic faith concept for Christians. Running for President isn't
>>common, but many of us, if not most or all, follow this very same leading
>>every day - often into very risky and unknown territory, knowing the risk
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> to
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>>our families and even our lives could be at stake - but doing it for God's
>>glory and reasons, not ours. That is faith - being willing to do things
>>that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>>standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
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> a
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>>way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
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> opposite
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>>conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
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>>Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
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> mind,
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>>we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>>bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>>support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>>less believing your perception is accurate.
>>
>>I know pastors and Christians that personally spend time with President
>>Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
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> etc),
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>>and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
>>There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
>>are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
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> lead
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>>our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
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> on
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>>this forum is any more perfect either.
>>
>>The key to Christian faith is grace. God's grace gave us a way to reach
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> Him
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>>through the sacrifice of His son, and offering us forgiveness through His
>>own sacrifice, if we only ask for it. By the same measure of grace we as
>>Christians are given the challenge to reach out to the rest of the world
>>with God's love to share that very same mess
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57616 is a reply to message #57613] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 21:05 |
Deej [1]
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oops
>> >> > from
>> >> > Ft. Hood Texas but didn't request help until it was too late,
>> >> > communications
>> >> > were down and no one knew what was going on. Even after news reports
>> >> > started
>> >> > hitting the airwaves, it appears that she hesitated. These Texas
> units
>> >> > are
>> >> > the troops that are just arriving. They could have been there the
>> >> > day
>> > the
>> >> > levees broke if she had been on top of things. Of course, with all
> the
>> >> > confusion right now, there could be other mitigating factors to her
>> >> > seemingly flawed decision making process. I don't know what
>> >> > political
>> >> > party
>> >> > she bleongs to, but I'm sure it will eventually get partisan and
>> >> > ugly
>> > and
>> >> > then we will never know because all objectivity will fly away while
> the
>> >> > interest groups try to cover their asses.
>> >> >
>> >> > "DC" <dc@spamyeruncle.org> wrote in message news:4318eb36$1@linux...
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>> >> >> He ought to get a medal. And perhaps a job running the evac.
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> http://www.newschannel5.tv/2005/9/1/4255/Taking-refuge-in-th e-Astrodome
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>Don't mis-interpret me. That ain't appropriate.
I ain't preachin' racist hatred. That ain't what I said.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> I suppose so. Funny though, when I think of NO, I don't think of race.
It's
> the one place I've lived where it is less an issue with the populace than
I
> guess anywhere else I know of in the US. It was one of my favorite places
> for just this reason. .......lots of acceptance of cultural differences
> without a lot of ugliness. I guess that networks who don't know the town
> could see a lot of misbehaviour, and automatically start the slanting
> (purposely or not) coverage just because so many African Americans live
> there.........but they are the majority of the population and I assure you
> there are many thousands who are not in the criminal element and are being
> victimized by those who are, no matter what their race. If this was
> happening in Branson MO and there were lots of white folks starving and
> freezing their asses off in a blizzard, I guarantee you they would be
> breaking into Wal Mart and covering their asses too.
>The kink in your summation Kim is that you begin with the implausible
assumption that your lifetime encompasses and/or surpasses the earth's
weather cycles. Your local weatherman's records don't reflect, nor will
they ever before you kick the bucket, the aforementioned climatic cycle or
cycles. And even if this were not true, what is the scientific data and
basis you rely upon in ostensibly saying that this would not have happened
if Bush had signed on to Kyoto 5 years ago? If, under your inferred theory,
the current climatic trends started just 5 years ago, you're uninformed in
my opinion. If under your inferred theory, the current climatic trends
started more like 70 years ago, any belief that a move 5 years ago to
reverse the causes, if any, of the current climatic trends, would have
averted Katrina - well... that is exactly what I said it was -
*meteorologically illiterate.* Whether true or not - those words are not
meant to be rude or insulting - but if I were to go off about something
which I truly knew very little and all I could do was draw down on one and
only one conclusion from what I have observed in a relatively short period
of time without taking in a great body of other variables, data, theory, and
factual basis and then someone showed that to me and told me I was
illiterate about the topic and I couldn't do anything but repeat what I know
over and over again - well - folks would conclude that I was illiterate
about the t
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Fri, 02 September 2005 21:18 |
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opic.
Dubya
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4318090c@linux...
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> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>No disrespect to you but what a crock to conclude that a Cat5 'cane has
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>>anything to do with GW or global warming/cooling.
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> Well, no disrespect to you, but when I hear ten years of talk about how
> weather
> will get more severe and more extreme, and when I look at weather in my
> own
> city, and not only notice the changes, but also hear constant news reports
> confirming that we're hitting more extremes more often, well it leads me
> to the natural conclusion that maybe, just maybe, all those scientists who
> claimed for years that we should expect worse hurricanes, well maybe they
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57618 is a reply to message #57616] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 21:28 |
justcron
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> were right.
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> You're right in the simple example that one cat5 does not a global warming
> link make. And records, one would expect, will be broken from time to time
> anyhow.
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> Personally I start to think something is amiss though when I hear "Warmest
> [month x] on record" every couple of months. I don't expect to change your
> mind Mark, as I've learned that Don C is pretty much dead on when he says
> nobody ever changes their minds in these discussions. None the less, every
> time global warming comes up on this NG I always have a record to resite
> for my home city for the current day, week, or month, and it's more often
> than not something like it was this time...
>
> OK. Let me tell you some stats:
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> This year, for Melbourne, where I live...
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> 2004 was the 4th warmest year on record. We finished off 2004 with the
> wettest
> end to a year ever. Then had the coldest February (summer) day on record
> which included the highest rainfall ever in the city by a factor of 20%,
> which was 3 times the average MONTHLY rainfall ALL IN A SINGLE DAY. The
> coldest
> February since 1954. Wettest February since 1973. Driest Autumn since 1900
> since records (1900) for the state. Warmest autumn since 1950. (Autumn
> here
> being Mar, Apr, May of course).
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> Meanwhile July's minimum temps were the (equal) warmest on record.
>
> We started August by being told 2 weeks in that averages were warmer than
> any August on record. Then week 3 I got snowed on in Ringwood. It doesn't
> snow in Ringwood, period. It was the coldest August day since the 70's.
> The
> most extreme August since, oh I don't remember...
>
> Sorry dude. I can see where you're coming from, but honestly, where I'm
> sitting,
> things just aren't normal. And more and more people are saying it...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.I hope you all got to hear Aaron Neville do his rendition of Randy Newman’s
Louisiana 1927 on the telethon tonight. Even though he was singing to a TV
track, it was great. Arron certainly nailed it as did Randy when he wrote
it.
What has happened down here is the wind have changed
Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain
Rained real hard and rained for a real long time
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline
The river rose all day
The river rose all night
Some people got lost in the flood
Some people got away alright
The river have busted through cleard down to Plaquemines
Six feet of water in the streets of Evangelne
CHORUS
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tyrin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
Louisiana, Louisiana
They're tryin' to wash us away
They're tryin' to wash us away
President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
The President say, "Little fat man isn't it a shame what the river has
done
To this poor crackers land."
CHORUSI dunno Deej. If we (right, left, up or down) truly acknowledged that
the war (Iraq? Afghanistan? Terrorism? whatever you're discussing) is as
serious as WWII, we would be sacrificing at home as in WWII. We aren't.
Not on that scale. We are, however, running up a huge credit account so
our kids can make the sacrifices we are avoiding.
If we recognized that we can't win a war in a half assed effort, we
would have paid more attention to the total intelligence and military
command advice, used more troops and planned better for the major part
of the campaign, the part after marching in. We would have more
carefully judged priorities regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And we would
have captured Bin Laden by now.
I don't see that the officials you are putting your faith in are
completely living up to your expectations, at least in some of these
areas. Granted they have had some successes.
Maybe I'm missing something, but speculating about what the alternative
leadership might have done is less convincing that seeing what the
current leadership has not done.
Another area where we need better leadership is on energy policy. What
we got from our current leadership seems short sighted.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I agree with you. It's more than sad, it's downright scary. The middle would
> work for me except for one thing........it's refusal to truly acknowledge
> and recognize the fact that we are in a war that is equally as serious as
> WWII. The right recognizes this and also recognizes that you can't fight a
> war in a half assed effort and you can't win a war unless you first
> acknolwedge that you are in the middle of one.
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:rn5gh1lougqaia2rkrb59siio8hf240th5@4ax.com...
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>>"perhaps siding with the least dangerous of the two evils I see and
>>seeing very little in the middle that looks reasonable to me." kinda
>>sad when the middle becomes suspect and either extreme becomes the
>>norm.
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>>:o(
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>>On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:35:20 -0600, "DJ"
>><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
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>>>I do indeed work in the industry. No denials, no apologies. If I am
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57623 is a reply to message #57618] |
Fri, 02 September 2005 22:12 |
Deej [1]
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> My only point I guess is that the fingerpointing back and forth at the
> governor vs. the feds is completely rediculous.Let's the knives away and stop being partisan at a time like this
Here's the issues
1. Bad or nonexistent local emergency plans and personnel. This arises from
a corrupt local gummint that has been winked at for generations in NO.
The mayor in particular is a flaming a**hole.
2 No genuine local or state leadership that was competent and
courageous. See above. They should have made themselves
visible and set the tone of decency and recovery. That's what
Giuliani did in NYC, and it was desperately needed here.
4. There are plenty of national guard available. They are
commanded specifically by a state's governor NOT by any federal
entity. In fact, there is a law against any troops commanded by
the federal government enforcing laws within the country. The
guard must be commanded by the governor.
5. No evac. plans for poor people?? WHAT? The median house
in NO is 81,000 in NO (it's 485,000 in San Diego) which means
there are lots of poor people in NO. But 255 buses left to rot in the
water because no one in the city gummint even thought to use
them? All of them, from the mayor on down to his lowliest
patronage recipient bureaucrat who did nothing to create a realistic
emergency plan, then provided no leadership to this day, should be
in jail.
6. No stock of food, no water, no meds, not enough cops... it goes
on and on, none of it having anything to do with Iraq or the
president. I do think that big changes in leadership in Homeland
Security are needed and are coming.
7. Having said all that, the feds should have pre-staged personnel
and materiel and been ready. It would have saved 24 hours and
some lives. It's a stretch to blame Bush for this however, unless
he does nothing to sharpen up the agencies responsible.
You Bush-haters will find other things to hate him for. This ain't
it, and worse, it sucks to use this terrible disaster to do your
little hate litany again.
DCAlready done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me and
my ol' truck and GW are working on makin' sure there ain't no tomorrow.
Presently, I don't get MPG - I get GPM... the lower the better I aalways
say. Sometimes I just fire it up and let it run just to see if I can
hogcall up one of them there K5's or F7. Had my gas cap autographed this
week by GW, several big TX oil tycoons - hope to get a few more on the left
front fender and right on the tank...
Anybody got a light?
Dubya
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43193141@linux...
> it costs $100 to fill the tank.
>
> how long?
>The kid who took the bus; Jabbor Gibson, was on with Greta on
Fox tonight. What a great story!
A hero. Beyond a doubt.
DCDC wrote:
> Let's the knives away and stop being partisan at a time like this
(good points munched)
> You Bush-haters will find other things to hate him for. This ain't
> it, and worse, it sucks to use this terrible disaster to do your
> little hate litany again.
>
> DC
Heh. Wow. Good to see that you put away the partisan knives, Don. :^)
BTW, I agree that there's plenty of blame to go around from local gov on
up to the fed response. And the warnings about the potential for this
disaster were many and detailed, including a PBS documentary that
spelled it all out with fancy graphics within the last year or two.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.comJamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>Heh. Wow. Good to see that you put away the partisan knives, Don. :^)
Did you understand what I said??
Bush will get the blame he deserves. I am not defending him.
It is important, if this is not to happen again, to understand what
really happened, and not jerk too many knees too fast.
Us turning this into Iraq, Kyoto, and other things not relevant,
only angers many of us, while shedding no light on the issues.
DCYou know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk, Lincoln,
McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them either.
Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you don't
agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
Regards,
Dedric
On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
<justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>
> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person thinks
>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>> knowing
>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't necessarily
>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth about
>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>
>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces disaster. He drools over it. Policy
>>> aside (I actually agree with about 80% of it), this guy IS a moron."
>>
>> Your last three statements here were not just "I think", but stated as
>> fact.
>> But enough statement analysis... Suffice it to say, if there is a chance
>> our
>> opinions of others could be wrong, they are better left unsaid.
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Fri, 02 September 2005 22:21 |
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>> and over throughout history as societies accept more and more decadent
>> behavior. We just don't want to see our country go down the same path by
>> making such Biblically stated sin issues a nationally supported belief
>> anymore than you want Christianity to become the national religion. You
>> wouldn't want a law passed requiring that rapists be given right to appeal
>> custody of a resulting child would you (I hope there isn't such a law
>> already, but who knows...)? Of course not. But here is the point -
>> without
>> a moral basis, we have no line to draw where one action is okay, and
>> another
>> isn't - it all become relative to personal interpretation and preference -
>> that includes murder, rape, incest, stealing, torture, genocide, etc, etc.
>> So, President Bush stands up for what he believes in his workplace -
>> politics. Others do the same. To say he shouldn't because his beliefs
>> are
>> Christian beliefs would be denying Christians the freedom we are supposed
>> to
>> allow non-Christians.
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>> As far as Iraq - we may never know exactly what the true reason "in the
>> grand scheme of things" was for this war - i.e. WMD seemed to be a decent
>> reason, but there were none found (probably in Syria). However, every
>> soldier returning from Iraq that I have talked to has said the Iraqis
>> welcome the change, even at the price they are paying. I could post
>> quotes
>> and stories that would really make you think that there was a reason for
>> this well beyond and more significant than WMD, but time is short for me
>> today. My belief, and this isn't justification, is that Iraq will play a
>> strategic role in the future in some event we don't know about - left to
>> Saddam it could have been catastrophic, but maybe not by his hand, just as
>> a
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Fri, 02 September 2005 23:42 |
Jamie K
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willing to do things
>> that aren't popular without regard for social, political or financial
>> standing, or even one's own life. I hadn't heard this exact quote, but in
>> a
>> way, it's putting pieces of a puzzle together for me - likely to an
>> opposite
>> conclusion from the one you seem to be drawing.
>>
>> Without first hand, personal knowledge of someone's intent, heart and
>> mind,
>> we only know them by the way we perceive them through news blurbs, sound
>> bites and late-night talk shows. I have yet to see anyone on this forum
>> support believing everything you think you see or hear in the news, much
>> less believing your perception is accurate.
>>
>> I know pastors and Ch
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Fri, 02 September 2005 22:49 |
DC
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ristians that personally spend time with President
>> Bush, and have with other presidents (Clinton, Bush Sr, Reagan, Nixon,
>> etc),
>> and I have met some of these men, heard them speak, read their books, etc.
>> There is a different picture painted of these Presidents than the one you
>> are demonstrating - it is one of real people trying to do their best to
>> lead
>> our country. These aren't perfect people or perfect leaders, but no one
>> on
>> this forum is any more perfect either.
>>
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57649 is a reply to message #57632] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 07:42 |
Jamie K
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total intelligence and military
> command advice, used more troops and planned better for the major part
> of the campaign, the part after marching in. We would have more
> carefully judged priorities regarding Iraq and Afghanistan. And we would
> have captured Bin Laden by now.
I don't know about capturing Bin Ladin by now. That would require denying
him sanctuary. We can't control that factor. We pretty much agree on the
other factors.
>
> I don't see that the officials you are putting your faith in are
> completely living up to your expectations, at least in some of these
> areas. Granted they have had some successes.
Putting my faith in them as compared to what? The alternative of doing
nothing at all? I can only imagine what would have happened if Gore would
have been at the helm when 911 happened and we were out there kissing the
UN's ass begging for help while AQ Kahn continued to peddle his nukes to
every taker and Sadaam continued to grow stronger with the help of France ,
etc. while our economy continued the nosedive it had taken at the end of
Clinton's term.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something, but speculating about what the alternative
> leadership might have done is less convincing that seeing what the
> current leadership has not done.
Speculation based on observation of previous modes of behaviour is often
scientifically valid.
>
> Another area where we need better leadership is on energy policy. What
> we got from our current leadership seems short sighted
.............but again, what specific alternatives were presented? None. Just
general mumbling about *intent* which never once took into account how the
existing energy infrastructure would be handled and supported. This
infrastructure works, and it works because the people in it are well paid
and non-union. This includes the expertise of the engineers employed by
companies like Halliburton and Schlumberger who are probably the only
engineering technicians who are willing and have the technical expertise to
go into a war zone and rebuild the economic infrastructure. You run
companies like this out of business if there is nothing for them to do. Then
they aren't there when you need them. By not specifically addressing the
domestic energy issues, the Democrats basically inferred, by default, that
keeping the existing domestic energy industry healthy would be less than a
priority. Lots of folks, and not just the ones in the energy industry, knew
that this would be a disaster and th
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57651 is a reply to message #57638] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 07:18 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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I do
question
> >>>both sides. If you have read some of my posts here you might discover
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>I'm a somewhat reluctant conservative, perhaps siding with the least
> >>>dangerous of the two evils I see and seeing very little in the middle
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>looks reasonable to me.
> >>>On 9/3/05 8:26 AM, in article 4319a408@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
> Shouldn't "The Republican" of today be, I dunno, a Toyota Prius?
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie K
> http://www.JamieKrutz.
Republican by voter registration - I drive a Subaru Legacy. I'm thinking of
getting the mountain bike in shape - the Subaru's getting on in years and
doesn't get the 30mpg it used to. I would prefer 200mpg these days.
Cutting my monthly gasoline costs to about $10, or even better, 0, would be
nice. :-)
Regards,
Dedric
>
>
>> CL
>>
>> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:43193455$1@linux...
>>
>>> Already done it. $113. I drive a great big ozone killing gas loving
>>> big-ass truck. Goes through gas like there's no tomorrow... in fact, me
>>
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57657 is a reply to message #57652] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 08:16 |
Deej [1]
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>>> Take it how you want.
>>>
>>> "DTerry" <dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:BF3E9585.4072%dterry@no_spamkeyofd.net...
>>>> You know that isn't fair. That statement could equate Bush with Saddam
>>>> Hussein and Hitler. And by the same evaluation, David (of David and
>>>> Goliath) would fall into the same category for slaying Goliath and later
>>>> conquering the Philistines, even though there is plenty of scripture to
>>>> paint a different picture of him, faults and all.
>>>>
>>>> The same would also have to be said of Presidents Madison, Polk,
>>>> Lincoln,
>>>> McKinley, Wilson, Hoover, Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon,
>>>> Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton, as well as a long list of other
>>>> countries' leaders, both good and bad. But that isn't fair to them
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't use the Bible to conveniently cast stones at people you
>>>> don't
>>>> agree with. You are above this line of reasoning.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 9/2/05 9:06 PM, in article 43191349@linux, "justcron"
>>>> <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You'll know a true servant of God by their fruits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bush's fruits are death and destruction.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:BF3E14B8.51B%dedric@echomg.com...
>>>>>> While I respect your opinion, you are guessing what another person
>>>>>> thinks
>>>>>> without knowing them personally, much less their thoughts. Without
>>>>>> knowing
>>>>>> someone's thoughts and intent first hand, your opinion isn't
>>>>>> necessarily
>>>>>> true. If you portray that person in a negative light without that
>>>>>> knowledge, it is slander, or at best gossip. Even stating the truth
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> someone else without permission is gossip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jesus on a chariot. This guy embraces d
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57683 is a reply to message #57652] |
Sat, 03 September 2005 14:00 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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r />
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>The guy who enigineered the classic mid-period Petty stuff, and the Wilburys
>and solo Orbison and Harrison stuff, swears by this box.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4319a3ef$1@linux...
>> Hi,
>> Transient designer does not enhance low frequency but gives or takes the
>> attack and the sustain of a sound.
>> So you can make a kick or snare kick with real punchtake away the attack
>of
>> an acoustic guitar to make it not interact so much with drum groove.
>> You can also isolate better than gating the kick or and snare cutting
of
>the
>> sustain of the sound.
>> The machine is really great.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:43191f2d$1@linux...
>> > ...........errrrrr............well...........anyone used one? I know
>it's
>> > been around for a while and I've been reading the literature on this.
It
>> > looks like a really nice way to enhance LF elements within a mix while
>> > keeping them isolated in the sound stage. Could also be a big asset
to
>> > mixing tracks that that were recorded in the same space with lots of
mic
>> > bleed witthout having to EQ the life out fo certain tracks.....maybe?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>I have long since stopped using plugins. I know it's sacrilege,
but I MUCH prefer hardware.
(Ducking)
Jimmy
"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote in message news:431a476a$1@linux...
>
> There is a very usable (and free) VST plug made by
> digitalfishphones.com called Dominion that has a similar function.
>
> It probably doesn't compare to the SPL hardware unit, but it is VERY
> handy.
>
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >The guy who enigineered the classic mid-period Petty stuff, and the
Wilburys
> >and solo Orbison and Harrison stuff, swears by this box.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
news:4319a3ef$1@linux...
> >> Hi,
> >> Transient designer does not enhance low frequency but gives or takes
the
> >> attack and the
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| Re: This kid does not belong in jail [message #57785 is a reply to message #57664] |
Sun, 04 September 2005 22:33 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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ppreciate it dude if you could not use profanity to insult NG
> participants,
> especially in the subject line. I can undestand getting worked up and all,
> and I think it's good to be passionate about your views, but I think we
> need
> to show some respect and keep things civil.
>
> Where possible I'd also prefer we kept political stuff on the General
> group.
> I understand topics can drift though...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compounded> wrote:
>>[FEMA], run by Brown since 2003, is now at the center of a growing fury
> over
>>the handling of the New Orleans disaster. ``I look at FEMA and I shake my
>
>>head,'' said a furious [Republican] Gov. Mitt Romney yesterday, calling
> the
>>response ``an embarrassment.''
>>*****************
>>
>>Newt Gingrich, the former House Speaker, is among those who have asked
>>whether Bush's Department of Homeland Security is up to the job. 'If we
>
>>can't respond faster than this, then why do we think we're prepared to
>>respond to a nuclear or biological attack?' he pointedly asked.
>>*****************
>>
>>
>We've had a few pet saga's on the group over time, so I thought I'd post
a little tribute.
Molly was a German Shepard / Elsasion. She was named Molly after (homosecual)
Australian music personality Molly Meldrum, due to the fact that in her first
few weeks everybody called her "him". ;o) She loved more than anything to
play fetch. Mum brought her home in 1993, and I lived with Molly and Mum
until 1998 when I bought a Paris system and moved out so I would have enough
space to make proper use of it. ;o) It took her about a day to work out how
to play fetch, and she became known as an obsessive fan of the game. ;o)
Indeed, over time, she gained the attention of many a passer by by picking
up logs up to maybe 12 feet long, and sometimes 6 inches or more diameter...
she could literally pick up a wooden railway sleeper and carry it along
like it was nothing, despite her reasonably slender build for the breed.
She was always incredibly obedient, understanding, for example, that she
wasn't allowed on the carpet of this house, but was in that house. You could
walk her without a lead and she would wait by the kerb until you said she
could cross the road. She would sit, drop, and roll over on command, and
wouldn't eat until she was told she could. You could take her to the shops
and tell her to stay and know she'd be waiting out the front when you got
back. Yes, I know that sounds a little irresponsible, but she was just that
well behaved that you knew she'd be fine.
Molly has the spirit of a pup until the very end. She was always bouncy and
alive and wanting to play fetch. ;o) In the end her back end went, and she
couldn't stand and had no bladder control, but on the last day my brother
and I went to visit, when she saw me, she growled. I knew something was wrong
because she'd never growled at me. Then I realised she wasn't growling at
me, but at the fact that she couldn't move. She couldn't move and she desperately
wanted to get up and play. She was on quarterzone though, and her adrenaline
kicked in, and a few seconds later she stood up. She stood up, had a pat,
and searched the back yard and came back with a ball, put it down in front
of me, looked up at me panting, and glanced between me a
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