| OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #84854] |
Sun, 20 May 2007 13:05  |
Bill L
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1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever
it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake
complicated immigration reform proposals.
2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa
holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates
U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of
9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are
in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking
our laws.
4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed
immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But
taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals,
clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the
U.S. illegally will remain strong.
6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent
and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million
more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation.
This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the
same rules and waiting periods.
Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own
country. Just because you don't like your house does not give you a
right to sneak into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this
issue and we need to decide to handle it.
Bill
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| Re: OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #84863 is a reply to message #84854] |
Sun, 20 May 2007 18:06  |
excelav
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Bravo, Bill! I couldn't agree with you more!!! It's going to take people
like you and I actually getting involved to change this kind of idiotic stuff.
James
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
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> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever
>it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake
>complicated immigration reform proposals.
> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa
>holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates
>U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of
>9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are
>in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking
>our laws.
> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed
>immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But
>taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals,
>clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
>their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the
>U.S. illegally will remain strong.
> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent
>and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million
>more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation.
> This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the
>same rules and waiting periods.
>
>
>Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
>something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own
>country. Just because you don't like your house does not give you a
>right to sneak into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this
>issue and we need to decide to handle it.
>
>Bill
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| Re: OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #84884 is a reply to message #84854] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 02:22 |
Sarah
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Bill,
You left out one very important part . . . John already pretty much said
it . . . just enforce the laws we already have against hiring them. Why do
we look the other way on this? (rhetorical question . . .we know why, but
it's gotta stop)
S
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4650ab70@linux...
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> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it
> takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated
> immigration reform proposals.
> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders
> and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.
> This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11
> terrorists had expired visas.
> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in
> our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our
> laws.
> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants
> who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers
> should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools,
> roads, and social services.
> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
> their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S.
> illegally will remain strong.
> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and
> unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more
> immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is
> insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules
> and waiting periods.
>
>
> Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
> something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own country.
> Just because you don't like your house does not give you a right to sneak
> into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this issue and we need
> to decide to handle it.
>
> Bill
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| Re: OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #84892 is a reply to message #84884] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 04:41 |
Bill L
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I actually cut and pasted this direct from Ron Paul's website. I wanted
to see what folk's reaction was before I posted the author.
I'm liking that guy.
Bill L
Sarah wrote:
> Bill,
>
> You left out one very important part . . . John already pretty much said
> it . . . just enforce the laws we already have against hiring them. Why do
> we look the other way on this? (rhetorical question . . .we know why, but
> it's gotta stop)
>
> S
>
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4650ab70@linux...
>> 1. Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it
>> takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated
>> immigration reform proposals.
>> 2. Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders
>> and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law.
>> This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11
>> terrorists had expired visas.
>> 3. No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in
>> our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our
>> laws.
>> 4. No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants
>> who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers
>> should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools,
>> roads, and social services.
>> 5. End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know
>> their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S.
>> illegally will remain strong.
>> 6. Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and
>> unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more
>> immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is
>> insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules
>> and waiting periods.
>>
>>
>> Makes sense to me. Sounds legal and fair. If people really want to make
>> something of themselves, they should work on fixing up their own country.
>> Just because you don't like your house does not give you a right to sneak
>> into mine. We have a sickening national apathy on this issue and we need
>> to decide to handle it.
>>
>> Bill
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| Re: OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #85020 is a reply to message #85015] |
Tue, 22 May 2007 19:40 |
excelav
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That is exactly why we need a third party candidate that is not bought and
paid for by the corporations and the foreign governments. We also need to
throw the two party House and Senate out on there asses too. They all need
to go. We need people that are in it for WE THE PEOPLE. It takes uniting,
it takes faith, it takes courage. It takes, not saying there is nothing
we can do about it. We as a people can do some thing to change it. Too
many people are brainwashed by unions, and the media. They vote how they
are told, and just like good little voters we keep voting in the lesser of
two evils. Come on we can get better people than we have had up for election
in recent years. Everybody knows it, but are too afraid, so they stick to
the party lines. We keep getting the same fighting, incompetent assholes
running the country. It's time for a real change, and I don't mean Hillary
Clinton either.
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Our government is a republic in the traditional sense. Landed wealthy
>citizens choose the leaders by giving the funds to get elected. If the
>individual people truly chose we would probably already be a communist
>state.
>
>We have no force behind handling illegal immigration because the
>managers and owners of companies that use lots of cheap labor don't want
>to lose their source. Politicians know exactly what side their bread is
>buttered on.
>
>Sorry for the cynicism, but in this case I really think it is just too
>obvious what is going on. You can clearly see the reluctance of
>politicians across the board to do anything to cost their wealthy
>supporters a penny in higher worker's wages.
>
>Bill
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>John wrote:
>> The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They
come
>> for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the
dumbest
>> government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
>> or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
>> of addressing the key critical problems.
>>
>> dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
>> Back to the Daily Show.
>>
>> John
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| Re: OT a plan to handle illegal immigrants in the US [message #85034 is a reply to message #85020] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 04:40 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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Right on!
James McCloskey wrote:
> That is exactly why we need a third party candidate that is not bought and
> paid for by the corporations and the foreign governments. We also need to
> throw the two party House and Senate out on there asses too. They all need
> to go. We need people that are in it for WE THE PEOPLE. It takes uniting,
> it takes faith, it takes courage. It takes, not saying there is nothing
> we can do about it. We as a people can do some thing to change it. Too
> many people are brainwashed by unions, and the media. They vote how they
> are told, and just like good little voters we keep voting in the lesser of
> two evils. Come on we can get better people than we have had up for election
> in recent years. Everybody knows it, but are too afraid, so they stick to
> the party lines. We keep getting the same fighting, incompetent assholes
> running the country. It's time for a real change, and I don't mean Hillary
> Clinton either.
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Our government is a republic in the traditional sense. Landed wealthy
>> citizens choose the leaders by giving the funds to get elected. If the
>> individual people truly chose we would probably already be a communist
>> state.
>>
>> We have no force behind handling illegal immigration because the
>> managers and owners of companies that use lots of cheap labor don't want
>
>> to lose their source. Politicians know exactly what side their bread is
>
>> buttered on.
>>
>> Sorry for the cynicism, but in this case I really think it is just too
>> obvious what is going on. You can clearly see the reluctance of
>> politicians across the board to do anything to cost their wealthy
>> supporters a penny in higher worker's wages.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> The old saying "Fight the cause and not the effect" applies here. They
> come
>>> for jobs. Remove the jobs and they don't come. Our government is the
> dumbest
>>> government I could ever have dreamed up. The will jump on a gay marriage
>>> or a Terry Shivo (sp) case in 1 second because it gets attention instead
>>> of addressing the key critical problems.
>>>
>>> dumb beyond belief......I gave up watching cspan because it was so infuriating.
>>> Back to the Daily Show.
>>>
>>> John
>
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