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and while I love Nuendo's
>
>>>>>>>elequent
>>>>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
> pain
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand,
>>>>>>>those
>>>>>
>>>>> same
>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
> 30
>>>>>
>>>>> tracks,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
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>>>>>>>intacked,
>>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62396 is a reply to message #62392] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 09:58 |
Edna Sloan
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>> >>>>in
>> >>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
> from
>> >>>the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>> >>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
> (the
>> >>>full
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>> >>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
>> >>>>>(reassembled),
>> >>it
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>> >>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>> >>>>>--
>> >>>>>Martin Harrington
>> >>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>> >>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
> quite
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> >>>>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>> >one.
>> >>>>At
>> >>>>>> what track c
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62399 is a reply to message #62396] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 10:16 |
Deej [1]
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;>elequent
> >>>>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
> > pain
> >>>>>
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand,
> >>>>>>>those
> >>>>>
> >>>>> same
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
> > 30
> >>>>>
> >>>>> tracks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get
lost
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>they don't sit right.
> >>>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
> >
> >>>>>>>intacked,
> >>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
> >>>>>>>Paris..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
> >>>>>>>discussions
> >>>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
> >
> >>>>>>>Opinions
> >>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how
dificult
> > it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> was
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
> > i/o
> >>>>>
> >>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
> >>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
> >>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
> >>>>>>>opinon.
> >>>>>>>P.S
> >>>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62400 is a reply to message #62396] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 10:17 |
Deej [1]
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uses a newly coded 64 to
> >>>>>>>32bit
> >>>>>
> >>>>> floating
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>point mixer..
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Yukkk,
> >>>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
> >>>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
> > and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
> >>>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> >>>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
> >>>>>>>>tiresome
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>in
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
> > from
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
> >>>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
> > (the
> >>>>>
> >>>>> full
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
> >>>>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
> >>>>>>>>(reassembled),
> >>>>>
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62403 is a reply to message #62375] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 10:33 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
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e not smeared, levels
>> >>>>>>>stay
>> >
>> >>>>>>>intacked,
>> >>>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>> >>>>>>>Paris..
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>> >>>>>>>discussions
>> >>>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>> >
>> >>>>>>>Opinions
>> >>>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how
> dificult
>> > it
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> was
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter
>> >>>>>>>what
>> > i/o
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>> >>>>>>>SX/Nuendo..Where
>> >>>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>> >>>>>>>opinon.
>> >
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62414 is a reply to message #62400] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 12:11 |
Edna Sloan
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have to use gates as much and you save cpu.> positive about them. And with PARIS I don't need any extra bugs! : )
Ah, Paris... I went with Aaron Allen's long standing recommendation;
an Asus A7S333. But I haven't tried it with the barton, yet.
ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-A7S333-SiS745-Socket-A-DDR-MB-Refur bished_W0QQitemZ
6835838517QQcategoryZ42012QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem
Regards,
El Miguel
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"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43bc33c8@linux...
> Thanks for the info. Yes, I know about the tape. I have been using
Athlons
> and Durons for some time now. The ECS board I got, K7VTA3, from FRYS with
> the Barton 2500+ was really buggy and I was sorta glad to see it expedited
> to another dimension. I think the AGP died, but havent tried it with a
PCI
> VC. (It was only $69 with the cpu, so didnt feel too cheated.) A friend
> who went to work there told me Frys had over an 80% return rate with ECS
> (just used as a c'mon to get people in the door), so I don't feel to
> positive about them. And with PARIS I don't need any extra bugs! : )
> Not familiar with or seen any reviews of asrock.
>
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43bc1572@linux...
> > I have an XP 2600 barton core running on an Asrock Ks7xe+.
> > I've used this rig only a few times since new. The asrocks were
> > around $50 new.
> >
> > I also have used the ECS K7s5a which has held up well. I went
> > ahead and performed the chipset modification by pulling off a
> > insulation taped cooling radiator block and glueing it back into
> > place with a dash of Artic Silver for effect (this was on the
southbridge
> > chip and prevented overheating). If you are aware, many of the Athlon
> > cpu chips are shipped with this adhesive tape between the cooling block.
> >
> > Either of these two mobos are ebay priced reasonable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > El Miguel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:43bc01b3@linux...
> > > Going to get another MB for my barton core 2500+ cpu. The ECS pile I
> had
> > > finally expired.
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62425 is a reply to message #62417] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 16:28 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
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79e9$1@linux...
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>Sounds good Jim... I had a little time to go though most of them. Although
I am not a pro in the feedback arena... just a silly musician... I find it
rather daring to put recordings on a DAW bulletin board. People tend to
speak mainly with their fingers... lol. I liked most of the songs and their
style. The sonics sound good too.
Personally I don't care for most music that is released these days by the
big studios. You can almost feel the bubblegum in each song. My wife likes
country... and she knows country artists... but when I listen to newer
stuff.. it's like... that ain't country... that's a rock band with a country
singer...(glorified karaoke)... things like that. Maybe I am too
critical... but I am beginning to believe musicians are losing our roots...
gosh, I sit and listen (and love to watch DvD's) of bands from the 70's and
80's... some 90's... and think... those people were really great and really
into it. So original! An example is Collective Soul. There's alot of
electronics in thier songs and although I never seen them play, my wife did
and claims they play their songs just like the CD's. To me, that's
original! Anyway, when I first heard a few songs, I thought the band was
younger folks (teens) based on vocals... then I pulled up the website pic...
huh? lol. Sorry to ramble on... but keep up the good work and music! Is
that a TC Helicon on harmony? I got a quintet.. and with my braised voice..
it can be brutal on me. Just wondering. Good job! peace! ~ Ed
"Jim Romanow" <balhat@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:43bb4608$1@linux...
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> Hello and Happy New Year!
> I recently released a CD that was recorded completely in PARIS. It was
mixed
> in PARIS too but Distressors and a Rane MOJO compressor were enlisted
mainly
> to process the bass, snare and kick on a few occasions. MP3 samples of all
> the songs are available at www.imaginaryfreds.com
>
> I have worked on many local musicians' projects but am hardly a seasoned
> recording engineer like many of you. This is a great newsgroup and I have
> followed your threads for years in an effort to improve my knowledge of
PARIS.
> Although I have nothing useful to offer in return, I would be grateful if
> some of you could listen and comment (especially regarding my screw ups
with
> PARIS or whatever that upset your ears!).
>
> This CD was mastered by a professional at his mastering studio.
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
> Athlon 1.2MHz
> 1 MEC, 16 in, 16 out
> 2 EDS cards
> UAD
> VST
>
>
> Jim Romanow
> Box 676
> Storrs, CT 06268
> balhat@earthlink.netThat dvd looks good.
The only real complaint I have with PT these days is that the cost adds up just to get things sitting in the analog or paris realm. The McDSP stuff sounds great but it ain't cheap either. I just upgraded to PT7 for HD and so far am very happy with the improvements. I also just upgraded Amp Farm to version 3, and it's a big difference to my ears, so I'm excited about that. And acid/rex support in PT now to a certain degree, which will make it quicker to thr
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62426 is a reply to message #62414] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 15:49 |
Deej [1]
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ow down ideas..
Cheers,
TC
LaMont wrote:
> Guys, this speaks to the PT DVD by Charles Dye "Mix it like a Record". Great
> DVD by the way.
>
> Charles spends a great deal of time discussing the great uses of "Distortion"
> and digital recording. Long story short, he states that to make digtal mixes
> sound like it's being mix on an anologe console was to add in various types
> of 'distortion'.
> http://www.harddisklife.com/ (look under the trailer section)
>
> Well well, lokkie here. It seems that those guys at old Ensoniq new about
> this theory when they modeling the Paris Harware. I'm not a techie, but I
> do recall that PAris's secret sauce in in it's Harware's ability to iduce
> harmonic distortion by lowing it's sampling bit rate. Well well, now we all
> these Plugins that mimicks that feat.
>
> I don't know about you guys, but evertime I try to distance myselft from
> my 4 card system, reavalations like above, confirms what we've been hearing
> since `1997. Wow..
>
> If Edmund could just:
>
> -Delete the sequencer
> -Add in PDC for Vst/X plugins
> -Allow VSt/DX plugs on each submix and master sub
> -On the fly gapless recording (Like PT & SX)
> This would be a Dream DAW.. I'll let Steinberg & Emagic do the VSTi thing..
>Ooops.
I've been struggling with Autotuning for years. How much is too much?
I am curious to know if the pitchyness is obvious to you in all of the tracks
or just a few cuts.(on or off line). This is an issue that's hard for me
to do much about if the artists are okay with their performance.
Thanks to everyone for lending an ear. I really appreciate any and all feedback.
Best regards,
Jim
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Man this thing needs Autotune!
>
>
>
>
>
>...and if anyone ever tried it I'd personally break their fucking legs.
>
>
>
>
>Nice stuff indeed...love the whole vibe
>
>
>Don
>
>
>"Jim Romanow" <balhat@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:43bb4608$1@linux...
>>
>> Hello and Happy New Year!
>> I recently released a CD that was recorded completely in PARIS. It was
>> mixed
>> in PARIS too but Distressors and a Rane MOJO compressor were enlisted
>> mainly
>> to process the bass, snare and kick on a few occasions. MP3 samples of
all
>> the songs are available at www.imaginaryfreds.com
>>
>> I have worked on many local musicians' projects but am hardly a seasoned
>> recording engineer like many of you. This is a great newsgroup and I have
>> followed your threads for years in an effort to improve my knowledge of
>> PARIS.
>> Although I have nothing useful to offer in return, I would be grateful
if
>> some of you could listen and comment (especially regarding my screw ups
>> with
>> PARIS or whatever that upset your ears!).
>>
>> This CD was mastered by a professional at his mastering studio.
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>> Best regards,
>> Jim
>>
>> Athlon 1.2MHz
>> 1 MEC, 16 in, 16 out
>> 2 EDS cards
>> UAD
>> VST
>>
>>
>> Jim Romanow
>> Box 676
&g
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| Re: upgrade MB for Athlon Barton [message #62448 is a reply to message #62425] |
Wed, 04 January 2006 19:49 |
Edna Sloan
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e layers and expression options enabled with the sustain pedal
> working overtime and my dual core 64 4200+ CPU is hitting around 8-9% (with
> 1.35G of RAM being utilized for both VSTi's, Cubase SX and the system. Glad
> I've got 4G of RAM though. The 7200 RPM dedicated HD is having no problems
> with this at all. I was thinking that I might need to go to a SATA RAID
> array in order to get this app to function correctly. If you're looking for
> a VSTi piano, this would be one to consider if you've got the rig to operate
> it or are considering building a dedicated VSTi box.
>
> Man.....this is friggin AWESOME sounding!!!!
>
>Actually, I'd agree man. Mac has better firewire imp.
AA
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
news:43bc0cdd@linux...
> My MOTU 828 Mk II has been rock solid for over a year now. I think Macs
> are a little more robust in the Firewire department though. Flames away!
> ;>)
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43bc04d5$1@linux...
>>
>> That's a common problem with a lot of Firewire audio units. A lot of my
>> friend
>> who have the Digi 002 units loses it's connections every now and then.
>> very
>> annoying to say the least.
>>
>> That's why I still prefer a PCI audio interface. Serial interfaces are
>> finicky
>> be it hard drives, mouses..
>> LAD
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>FWIW, I grabbed the PT M Powered app demo and it loses my M Audio
>>>Firewire
>>
>>>Audiophile rather regularly - requiring a reboot.
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
>>>news:43bb0adb$1@linux...
>>>> John,Look on the B&H site,
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search& ;Q=&b=1315&shs=&ci=9576&ac=&Submit.x=17& amp;Submit.y=12
>>>>
>>>> They have all the cards you'll need plus all the software.
>>>> Buying any M-Audio product means you can buy PT M-Powered for around
>>>> $300
>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43babdce@linux...
>>>>> But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> Hey John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the Follwoing Products:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>>>>>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>>>>>> -FireWire 1814
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can
>>
>>>>>> add
>>>>>> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John <
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