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Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77683] Sun, 31 December 2006 11:48 Go to next message
Paul Artola is currently offline  Paul Artola   UNITED STATES
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Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?

In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?

This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
modern/classic hardware and drivers.

- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77685 is a reply to message #77683] Sun, 31 December 2006 12:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   UNITED STATES
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Hmmmmm............now that's some madness that is appealing to me. I don't
know the answer, but I'll betcha' something like timbuktu might work for the
remote scenario with a gigabit network.

;o)

"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>
> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>
> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77690 is a reply to message #77683] Sun, 31 December 2006 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow VM
to run hardware.
AA


"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>
> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>
> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77691 is a reply to message #77690] Sun, 31 December 2006 13:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control
Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless
router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was functional.

Don


"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45982117@linux...
> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow
> VM to run hardware.
> AA
>
>
> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>>
>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>>
>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
>> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>>
>> - Paul Artola
>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>
>
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77699 is a reply to message #77691] Sun, 31 December 2006 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
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We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual
Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation
(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that
share the same computer at the same time)...

AA


"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux...
> For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control
> Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless
> router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was
> functional.
>
> Don
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:45982117@linux...
>> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow
>> VM to run hardware.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
>>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
>>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
>>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>>>
>>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
>>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>>>
>>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
>>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
>>> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>>>
>>> - Paul Artola
>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77705 is a reply to message #77699] Sun, 31 December 2006 17:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Artola is currently offline  Paul Artola   UNITED STATES
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Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I
want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen
(1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that
collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of:

1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz;
2. AGP card;
3. WindowsME drivers.

What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor
- a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi.
The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is
running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency.

Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am
hanging on by the fingernails!

- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland


On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:

>We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual
>Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation
>(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that
>share the same computer at the same time)...
>
>AA
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux...
>> For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control
>> Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless
>> router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was
>> functional.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:45982117@linux...
>>> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow
>>> VM to run hardware.
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
>>>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
>>>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
>>>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>>>>
>>>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
>>>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>>>>
>>>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
>>>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
>>>> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul Artola
>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77713 is a reply to message #77705] Sun, 31 December 2006 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JeffH is currently offline  JeffH   UNITED STATES
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Paul,

Contgrats on getting the receptor. I remember chatting about that last
spring.

Windows ME doesn't support the RDP protocol out of the box. I have used
TightVNC to control an ME box with XP. You can check it out at

http://www.tightvnc.com/

It's been pretty usable for me. As far as a Virtual Machien, I had a ME
VM inside of Microsofts Virtual PC, but haven't tried it with the
scherzo drivers loaded. Been a while, but I think you still need ME
drivers for the hardware in that product.

Hope this helps,

Hoov

Paul Artola wrote:
> Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I
> want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen
> (1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that
> collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of:
>
> 1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz;
> 2. AGP card;
> 3. WindowsME drivers.
>
> What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor
> - a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi.
> The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is
> running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency.
>
> Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am
> hanging on by the fingernails!
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>
>>We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual
>>Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine installation
>>(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that
>>share the same computer at the same time)...
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux...
>>
>>>For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to control
>>>Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless
>>>router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was
>>>functional.
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>news:45982117@linux...
>>>
>>>>haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't allow
>>>>VM to run hardware.
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
>>>>>thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
>>>>>WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>>>>>
>>>>>In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
>>>>>to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>>>>>
>>>>>This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
>>>>>with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
>>>>>modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>>- Paul Artola
>>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77727 is a reply to message #77713] Sun, 31 December 2006 20:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Paul Artola is currently offline  Paul Artola   UNITED STATES
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Thanks, Jeff. I'll give this a try.

- Paul

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 18:27:42 -0800, Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com>
wrote:

>Paul,
>
>Contgrats on getting the receptor. I remember chatting about that last
>spring.
>
>Windows ME doesn't support the RDP protocol out of the box. I have used
> TightVNC to control an ME box with XP. You can check it out at
>
>http://www.tightvnc.com/
>
>It's been pretty usable for me. As far as a Virtual Machien, I had a ME
> VM inside of Microsofts Virtual PC, but haven't tried it with the
>scherzo drivers loaded. Been a while, but I think you still need ME
>drivers for the hardware in that product.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Hoov
Re: Paris and Virtual Machines [message #77756 is a reply to message #77705] Mon, 01 January 2007 13:17 Go to previous message
DJ is currently offline  DJ   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
Paul,

I talked to one of the company reps a few months ago (trying to figure out a
way to bastardize one of these into accepting PCI cards so I could run UAD-1
plugins via lightpipe ;o) and he told me that these were actually running
BEOS.

Cheers,

Deej
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:k5ngp2pkjviqmdpoq4ad02kb5c0935m6jp@4ax.com...
> Actually, I am considering both the VM and VPN solutions. Basically, I
> want to run Paris on a WindowsME box but have dual 22" widescreen
> (1680x1050@60Hz) displays. The mofo of this whole situation is that
> collection of parameters leads to the old pick 2 of 3 choice of:
>
> 1. Support for 1680x1050@60Hz;
> 2. AGP card;
> 3. WindowsME drivers.
>
> What really got me wondering about the VM solution is my Muse Receptor
> - a linux computer running a Windows virtually to play VST and VSTi.
> The Windows VM can see the audio hardware in the box, and all this is
> running extremely efficiently and with no (essentially) latency.
>
> Like so many here, I am not ready to cash in my Paris chips, but I am
> hanging on by the fingernails!
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
>
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 16:48:20 -0600, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>We might be discussing two different things.. you're talking about Virtual
>>Private Networking, and Paul is talking about a Virtual Machine
>>installation
>>(basically, an OS installed inside of another OS for testing purposes that
>>share the same computer at the same time)...
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45982837@linux...
>>> For rehearsals for my 50th bash I used a laptop loaded with VPN to
>>> control
>>> Paris in my mixing room via a LAN cable and I have also used a wireless
>>> router successfully...the response was a tad sluggish but it was
>>> functional.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>> news:45982117@linux...
>>>> haven't tried that but the architecture as I understand it wouldn't
>>>> allow
>>>> VM to run hardware.
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jo4gp21d421tacgnsmhdj5cmobnrf1inee@4ax.com...
>>>>> Has anyone ever tried running Paris inside a virtual machine? I am
>>>>> thinking along the lines of running a WindowsME virtual machine inside
>>>>> WindowsXP. Would the hardware drivers pass thru?
>>>>>
>>>>> In a related question, could one use the remote control feature in XP
>>>>> to control a WinME/Paris box on the network?
>>>>>
>>>>> This all gets back to me wanting to run dual 22" widescreen monitors
>>>>> with my Paris system, but unable to find the right mix of
>>>>> modern/classic hardware and drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Paul Artola
>>>>> Ellicott City, Maryland
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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