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| liquid mix problem [message #85151] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 13:06  |
Ivan
Messages: 1
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Hello,
I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a FocusRite
Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original software
and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However, every
time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry, this
version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
and how?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanx,
Ivan
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85165 is a reply to message #85152] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 15:46  |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
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Hmm,
I hadn't considered Liquid Mix usable with Paris, but I guess it would be
under XP. I'm on a Mac. Rats. I really like it too. I'm using it with Logic
and like most
reviewers, can't say that the emulations are "precise". Probably UAD are
closer in
EQ and width, attack characteristics etc, but I really find the Liquid Mix
grabs the
signal and pulls it out of the speakers. It's really good.
my 2 cents (CDN)
Ted
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware DSP
>systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device about
>VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>
>http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>
>Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few that
>comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>
>Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>
>TCB
>
>"Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>Hello,
>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a FocusRite
>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original software
>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
every
>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
>this
>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
>>and how?
>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Thanx,
>>
>>Ivan
>>
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85197 is a reply to message #85166] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 21:43 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Just started a few weeks ago, because I'm mixing rock'n'roll again. It's a
great meat and potatoes combination with my other native/DSP options. I have
one UAD card and one 15 DSP Scope card. In my own synthy mixes the CW gear
does almost all synths, but in the rock'n'roll Monx is mostly reverbs. The
LW is fantastic for the rock'n'roll mixes. Mind you, it's just for mixing,
totally useless when tracking, but it's 32 channels of really great sounding
comp/EQ when mixing. I don't own all of the fancy units it's modeling so
I can't do A/B comparisons, but whatever the LW plug-ins sound like, they
sound very good and are aggressive in their sonic signature. The GUI in the
software could improve, but that's a quibble.
Right now I'm mostly trying to track down relatively hi-res pictures of the
gear it emulates so I have a better idea what each control does. But even
feeling in the dark a bit I'm getting what are great sounds for me.
Also, the transient designer for the CW card is the most amazing forensic
drum tool I have ever run across. But the LW is really cool too.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>You use Liquid Mix Thad?
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4655f21f$1@linux...
>>
>> The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware
DSP
>> systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device
>> about
>> VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>>
>> http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>>
>> Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few
>> that
>> comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>>
>> Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a
>>>FocusRite
>>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original software
>>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
>>>every
>>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
>> this
>>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
>>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
>>>and how?
>>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanx,
>>>
>>>Ivan
>>>
>>
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85200 is a reply to message #85197] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 21:59 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Well that's interesting. I've thought about getting the LW. Firewire, isn't
it? The Transient designer is so amazing that without it I'm sure I would
die. I've got the 4 x channel hardwareunit here and it gets a workout on
kick, snare and bass. I love that "punch a hole through your chest" kinda'
capability.
I'm looking forward to purchasing the Mold Monkeys CD once you're
done......well...we both know a mix is never really done........so when you
finally give up on it, let us know.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656695d$1@linux...
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> Just started a few weeks ago, because I'm mixing rock'n'roll again. It's a
> great meat and potatoes combination with my other native/DSP options. I
> have
> one UAD card and one 15 DSP Scope card. In my own synthy mixes the CW gear
> does almost all synths, but in the rock'n'roll Monx is mostly reverbs. The
> LW is fantastic for the rock'n'roll mixes. Mind you, it's just for mixing,
> totally useless when tracking, but it's 32 channels of really great
> sounding
> comp/EQ when mixing. I don't own all of the fancy units it's modeling so
> I can't do A/B comparisons, but whatever the LW plug-ins sound like, they
> sound very good and are aggressive in their sonic signature. The GUI in
> the
> software could improve, but that's a quibble.
>
> Right now I'm mostly trying to track down relatively hi-res pictures of
> the
> gear it emulates so I have a better idea what each control does. But even
> feeling in the dark a bit I'm getting what are great sounds for me.
>
> Also, the transient designer for the CW card is the most amazing forensic
> drum tool I have ever run across. But the LW is really cool too.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You use Liquid Mix Thad?
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4655f21f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware
> DSP
>>> systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device
>
>>> about
>>> VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>>>
>>> http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>>>
>>> Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few
>
>>> that
>>> comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>>>
>>> Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a
>>>>FocusRite
>>>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original
>>>>software
>>>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
>
>>>>every
>>>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
>>> this
>>>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the DAW
>>>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at all
>>>>and how?
>>>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanx,
>>>>
>>>>Ivan
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85216 is a reply to message #85200] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 06:18 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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It's a pretty cool unit. The integration of the controller with the software
plug-in isn't the best, every now and then I'll wind up twiddling knobs on
the wrong channel by accident. The resolution on the hardware controller
for the EQ section is also a bit heavy handed, I think each detent on the
knob is almost a full db. But the sounds are up there with the top plug-ins
I've heard, and I really do like all of those channels. Working with the
very dense Monkie mixes I usually want at least some subtractive EQ on almost
every track, and the LW certainly stomps all over the built in EQ in SX.
Also, it frees up my other DSP to do what it does best.
And I'll send you a Monkie CD for free, of course. I don't do this for the
money.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well that's interesting. I've thought about getting the LW. Firewire, isn't
>it? The Transient designer is so amazing that without it I'm sure I would
>die. I've got the 4 x channel hardwareunit here and it gets a workout on
>kick, snare and bass. I love that "punch a hole through your chest" kinda'
>capability.
>
>I'm looking forward to purchasing the Mold Monkeys CD once you're
>done......well...we both know a mix is never really done........so when
you
>finally give up on it, let us know.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656695d$1@linux...
>>
>> Just started a few weeks ago, because I'm mixing rock'n'roll again. It's
a
>> great meat and potatoes combination with my other native/DSP options.
I
>> have
>> one UAD card and one 15 DSP Scope card. In my own synthy mixes the CW
gear
>> does almost all synths, but in the rock'n'roll Monx is mostly reverbs.
The
>> LW is fantastic for the rock'n'roll mixes. Mind you, it's just for mixing,
>> totally useless when tracking, but it's 32 channels of really great
>> sounding
>> comp/EQ when mixing. I don't own all of the fancy units it's modeling
so
>> I can't do A/B comparisons, but whatever the LW plug-ins sound like, they
>> sound very good and are aggressive in their sonic signature. The GUI in
>> the
>> software could improve, but that's a quibble.
>>
>> Right now I'm mostly trying to track down relatively hi-res pictures of
>> the
>> gear it emulates so I have a better idea what each control does. But even
>> feeling in the dark a bit I'm getting what are great sounds for me.
>>
>> Also, the transient designer for the CW card is the most amazing forensic
>> drum tool I have ever run across. But the LW is really cool too.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>You use Liquid Mix Thad?
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4655f21f$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> The liquid mix has problems with Pro Tools and I think other hardware
>> DSP
>>>> systems. I think it's an issue with what the DAW reports to the device
>>
>>>> about
>>>> VST plug-ins. The next version of the software should fix it.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.focusrite.com/news/76
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you google 'focusrite liquid mix review' one of the first few
>>
>>>> that
>>>> comes up is from a Pro Tools user who had some similar problems.
>>>>
>>>> Once you have it working, I promise you'll love it.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Ivan" <duskworx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>I have an interesting problem to sink your teeth in.
>>>>>I have been using Paris for a number of years and recently bought a
>>>>>FocusRite
>>>>>Liquid Mix to try to use it with Paris. I have installed original
>>>>>software
>>>>>and drivers, and then updated software to the latest version. However,
>>
>>>>>every
>>>>>time I start up the Liquid Mix effect in Paris, i get a message: Sorry,
>>>> this
>>>>>version of Liquid Mix does not allow buffer size above 4096. Set the
DAW
>>>>>buffer size lower to use Liquid Mix.
>>>>>how do I set the "buffer size" to any value? Can you configure it at
all
>>>>>and how?
>>>>>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanx,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ivan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85235 is a reply to message #85230] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 08:41 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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No problem Deej, I'll try to do this over the weekend. I have my first batch
of keeper drum tracks to mess around from a tracking session with the Monx
on Tuesday. In fact, I'll do you one better, we'll do a 'taste test.' I'll
take some tracks, both solo and in mixes, and apply some f/x to them. I'll
post them no f/x and then with each processor and let you all decide which
one you like best. Then I'll tell you which is which.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656ed83$1@linux...
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>> It's the Sinefex tech, they call it 'dynamic convolution' and claim that
>> the
>> run lots of different signals through the gear at various amplitudes to
>> get
>> their convolution algorithms. It makes a lot of sense for EQs and comps
>> since
>> they do act a lot different depending on how hard they are hit. So far
(I
>> haven't spent tons of time working with it) the plugs do seem to morph
a
>> bit depending on what they are fed. Also, I don't have Fairchilds and
>> Avalons
>> and Pultecs and LAs to do comparisons, but I'll say this, they don't all
>> sound the same. It's not one algorithm with minor tweaking.
>>
>> If people here are interested I'll post some sounds with a couple of the
>> plug-ins that are common to the LW and the UAD cards and you can decide
>> for
>> yourself.
>>
>> Near zero hit on the CPU, maybe 3-4 percent when using the unit full out.
>> All of the lit says 'highly specialized processors' and 'in a native
>> system
>> only one dynamic convolution plug-in could be used' and so on. My guess
is
>> that's nonsense, but at least with the LW the dongle/controller adds some
>> value by having very useful knobs and meters and bypass buttons.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>
>Thanks Thad. I would love to hear some comparisons between the LW and UAD-1.
>I'm maxed out on UA stuff (4 cards) and if I don't have at least 40 plugins
>on a mandolin, I feel naked. (not to mention the hit that the UAD-1's take
>on the CPU, which is substantial)
>
>Your insights are much appreciated.
>
>Deej
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85274 is a reply to message #85235] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 13:14 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Great idea Thad. I'm sure the ones that were done in Paris will sound best
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:465703c5$1@linux...
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> No problem Deej, I'll try to do this over the weekend. I have my first
> batch
> of keeper drum tracks to mess around from a tracking session with the Monx
> on Tuesday. In fact, I'll do you one better, we'll do a 'taste test.' I'll
> take some tracks, both solo and in mixes, and apply some f/x to them. I'll
> post them no f/x and then with each processor and let you all decide which
> one you like best. Then I'll tell you which is which.
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4656ed83$1@linux...
>>>
>>> It's the Sinefex tech, they call it 'dynamic convolution' and claim that
>
>>> the
>>> run lots of different signals through the gear at various amplitudes to
>
>>> get
>>> their convolution algorithms. It makes a lot of sense for EQs and comps
>
>>> since
>>> they do act a lot different depending on how hard they are hit. So far
> (I
>>> haven't spent tons of time working with it) the plugs do seem to morph
> a
>>> bit depending on what they are fed. Also, I don't have Fairchilds and
>
>>> Avalons
>>> and Pultecs and LAs to do comparisons, but I'll say this, they don't all
>>> sound the same. It's not one algorithm with minor tweaking.
>>>
>>> If people here are interested I'll post some sounds with a couple of the
>>> plug-ins that are common to the LW and the UAD cards and you can decide
>
>>> for
>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> Near zero hit on the CPU, maybe 3-4 percent when using the unit full
>>> out.
>>> All of the lit says 'highly specialized processors' and 'in a native
>>> system
>>> only one dynamic convolution plug-in could be used' and so on. My guess
> is
>>> that's nonsense, but at least with the LW the dongle/controller adds
>>> some
>>> value by having very useful knobs and meters and bypass buttons.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>>Thanks Thad. I would love to hear some comparisons between the LW and
>>UAD-1.
>
>>I'm maxed out on UA stuff (4 cards) and if I don't have at least 40
>>plugins
>
>>on a mandolin, I feel naked. (not to mention the hit that the UAD-1's take
>
>>on the CPU, which is substantial)
>>
>>Your insights are much appreciated.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
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| Re: liquid mix problem [message #85289 is a reply to message #85286] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 15:56 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>but at least with the LW the dongle/controller adds some
>>>value by having very useful knobs and meters and bypass buttons.
>>>
>>
>>The other thing that the dongle/controller means is that the unit can be
>>taken
>>with you to other DAWs and used there, provided the host has the
>>emulations and drivers loaded. They can be DL'd from the Focusrite site
>>or added from the DVD that comes with the Liquid Mix. So you can mix
>>elsewhere, with all your presets and tweaks already in place...
>>
>
>Good point. Not one that matters to me much, but certainly could for others.
>
>
>>By the way, I'm sure I'll regret asking this, but why are you guys calling
>>it
>>the LW? Shouldn't it be the LM?
>
>Because I'm a raging moron?
>
>TCB
>
>>Ted
>
Hey Thad-
Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure you don't rage that often : )
As far as the portability goes, it sure beats trying to take a PCI card,
reinstall drivers,
transfer licence etc etc
T
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