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Hey all,

Checked out the Steinie demo at East Coast Music Mall last night. I briefly
checked out SX 4, didn't see all that much that I cared about, and kind of
forgot about it. I've been trying really hard to get deep into Live these
days, and didn't really want to work on another app, at a certain point I'd
rather just finish a damn song whether it's in Fruity Loops or Pro Tools
HD.

Anyway, I was wrong. The v.2 => v.3 'upgrade' was trivial, but the v.4 is
not. Lots of interesting changes in managing presets, some useful editing
tools, some nice tempo matching tricks (way back in the 1890's I got my first
music writing gig because I figured out how to get Cubase VST version .1
to sync tempo to a piece of audio, it was that hard. Kids these days . .
.), the external hardware delay compensation, and so on. Also, a nice librarian
for audio, video, and MIDI files. None of these individually would make it
worth the jump for me (I can manage presets, thank you very much), but put
together it looks like a real winner. I _think_ it's a big enough deal that
I'll switch when it comes time to mix the Monkies. I'll keep tracking in
3.x because that's working fine but I might take the plunge for 4.x.

For my own music, Live still really is the way to go. The best app in the
world for that 'the computer is just a big sampler' vibe and _their_ 7 upgrade
is similarly impressive. For rock'n'roll SX 4 looks like it has everything
I would really want from Nuendo and a lot more than SX 3. For electronic
blips and bleeps and downsampled/pitchshifted/filtered Thai girls saying
'so-wa-dee kra' and making a break out of I'm sticking with Live. Can always
ReWire them together if it's necessary.

Anyway, long post, sorry. SX 4 => Looks Damn Cool, I was unfair in not giving
it a larger workout. Hope it has deep Euphonix Artist control support. If
they get the PC thing working on that I think I'm good for a Control + 3
fader banks, which would seriously rock my world.

TCB

P.S. Morgan made an interesting point, the marketplace seems to be narrowing
down. Apple/Logic, Yamaha/Steinberg, and Sonar in the native space with a
few stragglers on other apps (wouldn't know anything about that here). PT
v. Nuendo + Yammy digital mixer at the high and and in post. LaMont, I think
Nuendo and the 02r96 might be the closest 'middle tier' out there. Cheaper
than a big PT plus controller rig or a DM2000, but lots of hardware f/x and
software integration. I remember the first 02R as being a head crushingly
bad sounding device, every reason to hate digital all mixed up into one.
Supposedly they've improved.

P.P.S. Now we're getting way OT, but it was funny tonight. Obviously, I'm
a tweaker and twiddler to the nth degree sometimes, but a lot of the demos
I was sort of like, 'Yeah, you could do all of that very fancy editing but
you also could play your goddamn part right.' I think that's coming from
actually spending lots of time tracking large, loud instruments for the first
time in years. When one of the guys in the Monkies says 'Well, I think that
sounds good but maybe not bright enough. We can always EQ it later' I'm the
one to say, 'No, let's move the mic a little more on axis or get another
mic on it. The better it sounds now the easier it will be to mix later.'
Ya know, Alex Chilton managed to make '#1 Record' without unlimited undo,
so maybe we can all play our instruments well and sing in tune and leave
some rough edges in there so we don't sound like Bon Jovi. Anyway, that's
my opinion now for some odd reason, I think playing through Savage and Top
Hat amps with a choice of five _really_ nice electric guitars helps ;-) Once
I'm back in electronica land I'm modulating pitch descend on kick drums with
LFOs from the bass patch like I'm supposed to.
 
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