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| Re: Need opinion - 3 vocalists, how to position? [message #70216 is a reply to message #70211] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 05:38   |
Neil
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Registered: April 2006
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You have all three voices on separate tracks, as well as 2
guitars & a bass on separate tracks? I'd put the bass in the
center, just for balance, & then pan the voices out a little
bit - not necessarily as much as the guitars.
For a small ensemble like this, I'd actually probably mix it in
mono first, to get the balances between the instruments & voices
the way I wanted it, then work on the panning using something
like the above as a starting point.
Neil
Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>I'm taking advantage of the employment downtime to catch up on some
>mixing I've had stacked up for a while...
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>The one I'm working on now is tracked from the board during a concert
>at the theatre. 3 singer/songwriters in the group, seated on 3 stools
>across the stage.
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>I have the guitars panned 60 left and center (from audience POV) and
>the bass panned 60 right - these approximate their physical locations
>on stage.
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>Would you pan the vocals to match the guitars, or would you pull them
>closer to center?
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>I realize this is somewhat a matter of preference and taste. I've
>been listening to my rough, and I'm still not sure if I like it that
>way. I may try it with the vocals tightened up but then they wouldn't
>match the guitars.
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>What would you guys do?
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>pab
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| Re: Need opinion - 3 vocalists, how to position? [message #70218 is a reply to message #70216] |
Tue, 11 July 2006 09:34 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
Registered: September 2005
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On 11 Jul 2006 22:38:45 +1000, "Neil" <IOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>You have all three voices on separate tracks, as well as 2
>guitars & a bass on separate tracks? I'd put the bass in the
>center, just for balance, & then pan the voices out a little
>bit - not necessarily as much as the guitars.
>
>For a small ensemble like this, I'd actually probably mix it in
>mono first, to get the balances between the instruments & voices
>the way I wanted it, then work on the panning using something
>like the above as a starting point.
>
>Neil
>
Yes, separate tracks for each muso - one for his vocal, one for his
instrument.
Yeah, even though the bass player was sitting house right, it does bug
me that the bass isn't coming from center. I will try to remix with
him in the center.
The "mix in mono first" idea makes sense. I'm pretty close with
balances - after listening on two different sets of speakers,
including my car, I definitely want the guitars down some more to
emphasize the vocal harmonies.
I'll try it again with gtr at L60 and R60, bass in center, and then
maybe spread the vocals at L30 and R30 plus center - just enough to
give them some space, but keeping them fairly centered.
I will report back after. And maybe I'll post a piece of one of the
songs.
pab
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| Re: Need opinion - 3 vocalists, how to position? [message #70294 is a reply to message #70218] |
Thu, 13 July 2006 11:37 |
Paul Braun
Messages: 391
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:34:01 -0500, Paul Braun
<cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
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>I'll try it again with gtr at L60 and R60, bass in center, and then
>maybe spread the vocals at L30 and R30 plus center - just enough to
>give them some space, but keeping them fairly centered.
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>I will report back after. And maybe I'll post a piece of one of the
>songs.
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Bingo.
Put the guitars leftish and rightish, anchored the bass in the center.
Put the vox leftish and rightish and center, but less-ish than the
instruments.
Tweaked the eq on the vox to give each one it's own space, brought
guitars down overall to give the vox more room.
I'm significantly happier now.
Ran one set of mix tracks with just the standard EDS comp, then re-ran
those tracks in a separate project with nolimit just to see. Will
burn both discs, decide if I like the extra compression or not.
Thanks for the suggestions, guys.
pab
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