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| New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76697] |
Sun, 03 December 2006 20:40  |
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well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They rep
showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
It came with:
-250 Sata-300mb
-a good selection of I/O
-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
-DVD/RW.
-Space to add 4 more drives..
They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win Xp
pro.
Verdict:
I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the optical
i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable latency
via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs from
a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone needed
another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need 2
inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER :)
seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit like
"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed. Smooth
and blazing fast.
hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro... Smooth,
with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
Impressed indeed..
Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how much
building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
It'll cost more than the this Mac..
Summary:
Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he best
PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door on
the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey, let's
face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have that
"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on any
PC.??????Humm..
Now, things are really heating up..
The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76699 is a reply to message #76697] |
Sun, 03 December 2006 20:11  |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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HI Lamont,
Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
:)
Chris
Lamont wrote:
>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They rep
>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>It came with:
>-250 Sata-300mb
>-a good selection of I/O
>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>-DVD/RW.
>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>
>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win Xp
>pro.
>
>Verdict:
>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>
>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the optical
>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable latency
>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs from
>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone needed
>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need 2
>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>
>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER :)
>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit like
>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>
>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed. Smooth
>and blazing fast.
>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro... Smooth,
>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>Impressed indeed..
>
>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how much
>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>
>Summary:
>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he best
>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door on
>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey, let's
>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have that
>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>
>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on any
>PC.??????Humm..
>
>Now, things are really heating up..
>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76707 is a reply to message #76699] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 00:04 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey Chris.
Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
:)
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Lamont,
>
>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>
>:)
>
>Chris
>
>
>Lamont wrote:
>
>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
rep
>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>It came with:
>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>-a good selection of I/O
>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>-DVD/RW.
>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>
>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win Xp
>>pro.
>>
>>Verdict:
>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>
>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
optical
>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
latency
>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
from
>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone needed
>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
2
>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>
>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER :)
>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
like
>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>
>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
Smooth
>>and blazing fast.
>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
Smooth,
>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>Impressed indeed..
>>
>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
much
>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>
>>Summary:
>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he best
>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
on
>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey, let's
>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
that
>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>
>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on any
>>PC.??????Humm..
>>
>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76708 is a reply to message #76707] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 00:25 |
Ted
Messages: 3
Registered: March 2006
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>Hey Chris.
>
>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
Multi headaches.
>
>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>:)
>
The mac thingy will also run linux
>
>
>
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Lamont,
>>
>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Lamont wrote:
>>
>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>rep
>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>It came with:
>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>
>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
Xp
>>>pro.
>>>
>>>Verdict:
>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>
>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
>optical
>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>latency
>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>from
>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
needed
>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>2
>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>
>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
:)
>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
>like
>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>
>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>Smooth
>>>and blazing fast.
>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>Smooth,
>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>
>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>much
>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>
>>>Summary:
>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
best
>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>
>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>on
>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
let's
>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>that
>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>
>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
any
>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>
>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76715 is a reply to message #76707] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 07:49 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll run
pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared to
a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is why
after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a Core
Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts for
my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the first
thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas, it'll
be XP for audio.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Chris.
>
>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>
>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>:)
>
>
>
>
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>HI Lamont,
>>
>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Lamont wrote:
>>
>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>rep
>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>It came with:
>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>
>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
Xp
>>>pro.
>>>
>>>Verdict:
>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>
>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
>optical
>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>latency
>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>from
>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
needed
>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>2
>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>
>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
:)
>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
>like
>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>
>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>Smooth
>>>and blazing fast.
>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>Smooth,
>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>
>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>much
>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>
>>>Summary:
>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
best
>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>
>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>on
>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
let's
>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>that
>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>
>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
any
>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>
>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76716 is a reply to message #76697] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 09:00 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hey LaMont,
Cool, let us know what you think when you get it. I'd also be interested
in your take on the current Logic when you get Logic going again, it's
been refined a bit since Apple dropped MSWindows support.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Lamont wrote:
> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They rep
> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
> It came with:
> -250 Sata-300mb
> -a good selection of I/O
> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
> -DVD/RW.
> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>
> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win Xp
> pro.
>
> Verdict:
> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>
> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the optical
> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable latency
> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs from
> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone needed
> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need 2
> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>
> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER :)
> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit like
> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>
> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed. Smooth
> and blazing fast.
> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro... Smooth,
> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
> Impressed indeed..
>
> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how much
> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>
> Summary:
> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he best
> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door on
> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey, let's
> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have that
> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>
> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on any
> PC.??????Humm..
>
> Now, things are really heating up..
> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76720 is a reply to message #76715] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:00 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
run
>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
to
>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
why
>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>
>
>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a
Core
>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
for
>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the first
>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas, it'll
>be XP for audio.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Chris.
>>
>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>
>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>>:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>HI Lamont,
>>>
>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>
>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>
>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>>rep
>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>It came with:
>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>
>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>Xp
>>>>pro.
>>>>
>>>>Verdict:
>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
ran
>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>
>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
>>optical
>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>latency
>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>from
>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>needed
>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>2
>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>
>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>:)
>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
>>like
>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>
>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>Smooth
>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
ran
>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>Smooth,
>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>
>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>>much
>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
say..
>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>
>>>>Summary:
>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>best
>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>
>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>>on
>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
product..
>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>let's
>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>that
>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>
>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>
>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>any
>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>
>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76721 is a reply to message #76716] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:10 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Jamie,
I recently (2 weeks ago)had a chance to see and poke with Logic 7.2 and it's
still looks the same (that's for sure). I know they (apple) have threw in
all he soft-synths they have, but for me and many others, they have to address
the interface and overall work-flow.
-Better editing(audio) with the look of Sountrack Pro
-overall- just rewite the entire app like Steinberg did with Nuendo & Cubase
SX..
-It still feel like a midi sequncer, even on a Dual G5, and not as sleek
as Pro Tools and Cubase SX/Nuendo/Samplitude. Due to itstill running under
the old -Midi-audio sequencer.
For what it's worth, I'm a DP 4.x owner, and that app too feels same..
-The Apple rep did tell me that Apple is moving away from he old interface
and into the new format Sountrack Pro , which he says, fall in line with
the overall Final-Cut pro layout and workflow. Similar to how Sony's Vegas
and Acid, and Vegas Video are.
That's what has pushed me over to the Buy side :) A New Logic Audio finally!!
Amen. Amen and Amen!!
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Hey LaMont,
>
>Cool, let us know what you think when you get it. I'd also be interested
>in your take on the current Logic when you get Logic going again, it's
>been refined a bit since Apple dropped MSWindows support.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Lamont wrote:
>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
rep
>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>> It came with:
>> -250 Sata-300mb
>> -a good selection of I/O
>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>> -DVD/RW.
>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>
>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
Xp
>> pro.
>>
>> Verdict:
>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>
>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
optical
>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
latency
>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
from
>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
needed
>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
2
>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>
>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
:)
>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
like
>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>
>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
Smooth
>> and blazing fast.
>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
Smooth,
>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>> Impressed indeed..
>>
>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
much
>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>
>> Summary:
>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
best
>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
on
>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
let's
>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
that
>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>
>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
any
>> PC.??????Humm..
>>
>> Now, things are really heating up..
>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed, Apple's Xserve Xeon: Built to fall apart [message #76723 is a reply to message #76715] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:30 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Hey Thad! I think your need differ from most of us being an IT guy. As Jamie
said, it a good thing that we use different machines. Speaking of difference,
there is a difference between the Core Duo and the Core 2 Duo, but I'm sure
you already know this.
It is my opinion that you get what you pay for, and that quality and convenience
comes at a price. I also think Apple hardware is still over priced a bit.
Then again, I think that most high end hardware is over priced. I believe
if you were to buy Apple hardware, you wouldn't be disappointed in the quality,
or the engineering.
Here is an article you might find interesting.
Apple's Xserve Xeon: Built to fall apart
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/10/a pples_xserve_x.html
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
run
>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
to
>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
why
>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>
>
>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a
Core
>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
for
>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the first
>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas, it'll
>be XP for audio.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Chris.
>>
>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>
>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>>:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>HI Lamont,
>>>
>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>
>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>
>>>:)
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>
>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>>rep
>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>It came with:
>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>
>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>Xp
>>>>pro.
>>>>
>>>>Verdict:
>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
ran
>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>
>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
>>optical
>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>latency
>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>from
>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>needed
>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>2
>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>
>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>:)
>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
>>like
>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>
>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>Smooth
>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
ran
>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>Smooth,
>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>
>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>>much
>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
say..
>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>
>>>>Summary:
>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>best
>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>
>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>>on
>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
product..
>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>let's
>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>that
>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>
>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>
>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>any
>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>
>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>ADK
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76724 is a reply to message #76720] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:48 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Single dual core.
"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>run
>>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>to
>>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
>why
>>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>
>>
>>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a
>Core
>>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
>>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>for
>>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
>>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
first
>>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
it'll
>>be XP for audio.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Chris.
>>>
>>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>
>>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>>>:)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>HI Lamont,
>>>>
>>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>
>>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>>
>>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>>>rep
>>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>It came with:
>>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>
>>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>>Xp
>>>>>pro.
>>>>>
>>>>>Verdict:
>>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
>ran
>>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
the
>>>optical
>>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>latency
>>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>from
>>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>needed
>>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>>2
>>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>:)
>>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a
bit
>>>like
>>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>Smooth
>>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
>ran
>>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>Smooth,
>>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>>>much
>>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>say..
>>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>
>>>>>Summary:
>>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>>best
>>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>
>>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>>>on
>>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>product..
>>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>let's
>>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>>that
>>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>
>>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>
>>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>>any
>>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76733 is a reply to message #76721] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 12:33 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Other than bug fixes, the changes have been subtle and useful for work
flow. Channel strip in the arrange window, drag/drop plugins around in
arrange and mix windows, that sort of needed updating has been handy.
Plus the great new plugins as you mentioned, not only soft synths but
also convolution reverb, phase coherent eq, match eq, guitar amp
modeling, comprehensive metering.
If they're going to make major changes, and some would be useful, I very
much hope they don't take away any of the power or current stability of
this app. But I'd like to see more things doable directly in the arrange
window, and a monitor control section.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> Jamie,
> I recently (2 weeks ago)had a chance to see and poke with Logic 7.2 and it's
> still looks the same (that's for sure). I know they (apple) have threw in
> all he soft-synths they have, but for me and many others, they have to address
> the interface and overall work-flow.
>
> -Better editing(audio) with the look of Sountrack Pro
> -overall- just rewite the entire app like Steinberg did with Nuendo & Cubase
> SX..
>
> -It still feel like a midi sequncer, even on a Dual G5, and not as sleek
> as Pro Tools and Cubase SX/Nuendo/Samplitude. Due to itstill running under
> the old -Midi-audio sequencer.
> For what it's worth, I'm a DP 4.x owner, and that app too feels same..
>
> -The Apple rep did tell me that Apple is moving away from he old interface
> and into the new format Sountrack Pro , which he says, fall in line with
> the overall Final-Cut pro layout and workflow. Similar to how Sony's Vegas
> and Acid, and Vegas Video are.
>
> That's what has pushed me over to the Buy side :) A New Logic Audio finally!!
> Amen. Amen and Amen!!
>
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Hey LaMont,
>>
>> Cool, let us know what you think when you get it. I'd also be interested
>
>> in your take on the current Logic when you get Logic going again, it's
>> been refined a bit since Apple dropped MSWindows support.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> Lamont wrote:
>>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
> rep
>>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>> It came with:
>>> -250 Sata-300mb
>>> -a good selection of I/O
>>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>> -DVD/RW.
>>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>
>>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
> Xp
>>> pro.
>>>
>>> Verdict:
>>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>
>>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
> optical
>>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
> latency
>>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
> from
>>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
> needed
>>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
> 2
>>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>
>>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
> :)
>>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
> like
>>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>
>>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
> Smooth
>>> and blazing fast.
>>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
> Smooth,
>>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>> Impressed indeed..
>>>
>>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
> much
>>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>
>>> Summary:
>>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
> best
>>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>
>>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
> on
>>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
> let's
>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
> that
>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>
>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>
>>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
> any
>>> PC.??????Humm..
>>>
>>> Now, things are really heating up..
>>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76734 is a reply to message #76724] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 12:37 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Senior Member |
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make sure your motherboard will support the quad core.
TCB wrote:
> Single dual core.
>
> "Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>> run
>>> pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>> boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>>> BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>> to
>>> a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>> thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>> fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
>> why
>>> after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a
>> Core
>>> Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
>>> might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>> gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>> I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>> for
>>> my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
>>> paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>>> together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
> first
>>> thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>> on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
> it'll
>>> be XP for audio.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris.
>>>>
>>>> Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>>> of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>>
>>>> But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>> The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> HI Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>>>> soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>>>>> replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>> The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>> motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lamont wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>>>> rep
>>>>>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>> It came with:
>>>>>> -250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>> -a good selection of I/O
>>>>>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>> -DVD/RW.
>>>>>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>>> Xp
>>>>>> pro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Verdict:
>>>>>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
>> ran
>>>>>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
> the
>>>> optical
>>>>>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>> latency
>>>>>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>> from
>>>>>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>> needed
>>>>>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>>> 2
>>>>>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>> :)
>>>>>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a
> bit
>>>> like
>>>>>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>> Smooth
>>>>>> and blazing fast.
>>>>>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
>> ran
>>>>>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>> Smooth,
>>>>>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>> Impressed indeed..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>>>> much
>>>>>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>> say..
>>>>>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary:
>>>>>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>>> best
>>>>>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>>>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>>>> on
>>>>>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>> product..
>>>>>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>> let's
>>>>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>>> that
>>>>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>>> any
>>>>>> PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76738 is a reply to message #76697] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:57 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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Hey LaMont! I'm glad to see that you would consider Apple. I think the towers
are slick. The push pull drive trays rock. They have made it so easy to
add memory also.
James
"Lamont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
rep
>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>It came with:
>-250 Sata-300mb
>-a good selection of I/O
>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>-DVD/RW.
>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>
>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win Xp
>pro.
>
>Verdict:
>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it ran
>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>
>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via the
optical
>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable latency
>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs from
>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone needed
>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need 2
>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>
>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER :)
>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a bit
like
>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>
>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
Smooth
>and blazing fast.
>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I ran
>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro... Smooth,
>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>Impressed indeed..
>
>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how much
>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just say..
>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>
>Summary:
>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he best
>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
on
>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore product..
>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey, let's
>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have that
>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>
>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on any
>PC.??????Humm..
>
>Now, things are really heating up..
>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76741 is a reply to message #76734] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 14:43 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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It's supposed to, but I don't intend on doing a lot of upgrading with it for
a while. The quad core prices are ugly and I don't see them nose diving any
time soon.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>make sure your motherboard will support the quad core.
>
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Single dual core.
>>
>> "Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>>> run
>>>> pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>>> boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how
the
>>>> BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>>> to
>>>> a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the
same
>>>> thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my
personal
>>>> fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which
is
>>> why
>>>> after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with
a
>>> Core
>>>> Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point,
it
>>>> might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like
$500
>>>> gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more
performance.
>>>> I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>>> for
>>>> my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So
I'm
>>>> paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it
put
>>>> together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
>> first
>>>> thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>>> on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
>> it'll
>>>> be XP for audio.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>> Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC
side
>>>>> of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>>>
>>>>> But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>>> The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as
versatility..
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>> HI Lamont,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and
now
>>>>>> soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have
to
>>>>>> replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>>> The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>>> motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lamont wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro.
They
>>>>> rep
>>>>>>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>>> It came with:
>>>>>>> -250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>>> -a good selection of I/O
>>>>>>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>>> -DVD/RW.
>>>>>>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into
Win
>>>> Xp
>>>>>>> pro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Verdict:
>>>>>>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that
it
>>> ran
>>>>>>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
>> the
>>>>> optical
>>>>>>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>>> latency
>>>>>>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the
on-board
>>>>>>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few
songs
>>>>> from
>>>>>>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio
monitors.
>>>>>>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>>> needed
>>>>>>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only
need
>>>>> 2
>>>>>>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>>> :)
>>>>>>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt
a
>> bit
>>>>> like
>>>>>>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>>> Smooth
>>>>>>> and blazing fast.
>>>>>>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so
I
>>> ran
>>>>>>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>>> Smooth,
>>>>>>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>>> Impressed indeed..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know
how
>>>>> much
>>>>>>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>>> say..
>>>>>>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Summary:
>>>>>>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun
he
>>>> best
>>>>>>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>>>>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's
door
>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>>> product..
>>>>>>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>>> let's
>>>>>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still
have
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>>>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or
even,
>>>>>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run
on
>>>> any
>>>>>>> PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed, Apple's Xserve Xeon: Built to fall apart [message #76746 is a reply to message #76723] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 14:51 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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One more link worth reading:
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/11/a pple_xserve_th.html
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Thad! I think your need differ from most of us being an IT guy. As
Jamie
>said, it a good thing that we use different machines. Speaking of difference,
>there is a difference between the Core Duo and the Core 2 Duo, but I'm sure
>you already know this.
>
>It is my opinion that you get what you pay for, and that quality and convenience
>comes at a price. I also think Apple hardware is still over priced a bit.
> Then again, I think that most high end hardware is over priced. I believe
>if you were to buy Apple hardware, you wouldn't be disappointed in the quality,
>or the engineering.
>
>Here is an article you might find interesting.
>
>Apple's Xserve Xeon: Built to fall apart
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2006/10/a pples_xserve_x.html
>
>James
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>run
>>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>to
>>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
>why
>>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>
>>
>>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with a
>Core
>>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point, it
>>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>for
>>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So I'm
>>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
first
>>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
it'll
>>be XP for audio.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Chris.
>>>
>>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>
>>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as versatility..
>>>:)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>HI Lamont,
>>>>
>>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>
>>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have to
>>
>>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>>>rep
>>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>It came with:
>>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>
>>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>>Xp
>>>>>pro.
>>>>>
>>>>>Verdict:
>>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
>ran
>>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
the
>>>optical
>>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>latency
>>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>from
>>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>needed
>>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>>2
>>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>
>>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>:)
>>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a
bit
>>>like
>>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>Smooth
>>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
>ran
>>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>Smooth,
>>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>>>much
>>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>say..
>>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>
>>>>>Summary:
>>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>>best
>>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>
>>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>>>on
>>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>product..
>>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>let's
>>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>>that
>>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>
>>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>
>>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>>any
>>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76772 is a reply to message #76733] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 21:12 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Yes, Logic has to compete with Cubase 4 and Neundo, as well as Pro Tools in
terms of arrange window editing and overal workflow. The forementioned DAWs
, including Sonar and Samplitude have very powerful, fast sample accurate
midi and audio editing ..
I think the new version of Logic will ran right up there , even surpassing
the current crop of DAws. Especialy since they have Apogee Symphony stuff
for low latency (albeit over-priced) mixer/audio bridge platform.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Other than bug fixes, the changes have been subtle and useful for work
>flow. Channel strip in the arrange window, drag/drop plugins around in
>arrange and mix windows, that sort of needed updating has been handy.
>Plus the great new plugins as you mentioned, not only soft synths but
>also convolution reverb, phase coherent eq, match eq, guitar amp
>modeling, comprehensive metering.
>
>If they're going to make major changes, and some would be useful, I very
>much hope they don't take away any of the power or current stability of
>this app. But I'd like to see more things doable directly in the arrange
>window, and a monitor control section.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Jamie,
>> I recently (2 weeks ago)had a chance to see and poke with Logic 7.2 and
it's
>> still looks the same (that's for sure). I know they (apple) have threw
in
>> all he soft-synths they have, but for me and many others, they have to
address
>> the interface and overall work-flow.
>>
>> -Better editing(audio) with the look of Sountrack Pro
>> -overall- just rewite the entire app like Steinberg did with Nuendo &
Cubase
>> SX..
>>
>> -It still feel like a midi sequncer, even on a Dual G5, and not as sleek
>> as Pro Tools and Cubase SX/Nuendo/Samplitude. Due to itstill running
under
>> the old -Midi-audio sequencer.
>> For what it's worth, I'm a DP 4.x owner, and that app too feels same..
>>
>> -The Apple rep did tell me that Apple is moving away from he old interface
>> and into the new format Sountrack Pro , which he says, fall in line with
>> the overall Final-Cut pro layout and workflow. Similar to how Sony's Vegas
>> and Acid, and Vegas Video are.
>>
>> That's what has pushed me over to the Buy side :) A New Logic Audio finally!!
>> Amen. Amen and Amen!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> Hey LaMont,
>>>
>>> Cool, let us know what you think when you get it. I'd also be interested
>>
>>> in your take on the current Logic when you get Logic going again, it's
>>> been refined a bit since Apple dropped MSWindows support.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Lamont wrote:
>>>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro. They
>> rep
>>>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>> It came with:
>>>> -250 Sata-300mb
>>>> -a good selection of I/O
>>>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>> -DVD/RW.
>>>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>
>>>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>> Xp
>>>> pro.
>>>>
>>>> Verdict:
>>>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
ran
>>>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
the
>> optical
>>>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>> latency
>>>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>> from
>>>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>> needed
>>>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>> 2
>>>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>
>>>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>> :)
>>>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a
bit
>> like
>>>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>
>>>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>> Smooth
>>>> and blazing fast.
>>>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so I
ran
>>>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>> Smooth,
>>>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>> Impressed indeed..
>>>>
>>>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know how
>> much
>>>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
say..
>>>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>
>>>> Summary:
>>>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun he
>> best
>>>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>
>>>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's door
>> on
>>>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
product..
>>>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>> let's
>>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>> that
>>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>
>>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or even,
>>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>
>>>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run on
>> any
>>>> PC.??????Humm..
>>>>
>>>> Now, things are really heating up..
>>>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>
>>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76773 is a reply to message #76724] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 21:13 |
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Big difference my friend. Now, you can see that he Mac Pro is not such a bad
deal after all.??
Come Thad, admit it..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Single dual core.
>
>"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>>run
>>>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how the
>>>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>>to
>>>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which is
>>why
>>>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with
a
>>Core
>>>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point,
it
>>>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>>for
>>>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So
I'm
>>>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it put
>>>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
>first
>>>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
>it'll
>>>be XP for audio.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Chris.
>>>>
>>>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC side
>>>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>>
>>>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as
versatility..
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>HI Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>
>>>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have
to
>>>
>>>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>>
>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro.
They
>>>>rep
>>>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>>It came with:
>>>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into Win
>>>Xp
>>>>>>pro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Verdict:
>>>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that it
>>ran
>>>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
>the
>>>>optical
>>>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>>latency
>>>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>>from
>>>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>>needed
>>>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only need
>>>>2
>>>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>>:)
>>>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt a
>bit
>>>>like
>>>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>>Smooth
>>>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so
I
>>ran
>>>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>>Smooth,
>>>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know
how
>>>>much
>>>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>>say..
>>>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Summary:
>>>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun
he
>>>best
>>>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>>
>>>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's
door
>>>>on
>>>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>>product..
>>>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>>let's
>>>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still have
>>>>that
>>>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>
>>>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or
even,
>>>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run
on
>>>any
>>>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>ADK
>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76779 is a reply to message #76773] |
Tue, 05 December 2006 07:11 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Apple hardware on the high end is no longer the spectacularly ripoff it used
to be. I could still home build one at their spec for less than they charge,
and not be stuck running a busy, ugly X system on top of a 'stability over
performance' BSD core.
Sorry, I ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid Steve Jobs is selling,
TCB
"LaMont " <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Big difference my friend. Now, you can see that he Mac Pro is not such a
bad
>deal after all.??
>
>Come Thad, admit it..
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Single dual core.
>>
>>"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>>>run
>>>>pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>>>boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how
the
>>>>BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>>>to
>>>>a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>>>thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>>>fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which
is
>>>why
>>>>after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with
>a
>>>Core
>>>>Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point,
>it
>>>>might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>>>gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>>>I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>>>for
>>>>my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So
>I'm
>>>>paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it
put
>>>>together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
>>first
>>>>thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>>>on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
>>it'll
>>>>be XP for audio.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hey Chris.
>>>>>
>>>>>Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC
side
>>>>>of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>>>
>>>>>But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>>>The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as
>versatility..
>>>>>:)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>HI Lamont,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>>
>>>>>>soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have
>to
>>>>
>>>>>>replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>>>The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>>>motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lamont wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro.
>They
>>>>>rep
>>>>>>>showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>>>It came with:
>>>>>>>-250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>>>-a good selection of I/O
>>>>>>>-optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>>>-DVD/RW.
>>>>>>>-Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into
Win
>>>>Xp
>>>>>>>pro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Verdict:
>>>>>>>I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that
it
>>>ran
>>>>>>>Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
>>the
>>>>>optical
>>>>>>>i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>>>latency
>>>>>>>via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>>>audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>>>from
>>>>>>>a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>>>Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>>>needed
>>>>>>>another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only
need
>>>>>2
>>>>>>>inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>>>:)
>>>>>>>seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt
a
>>bit
>>>>>like
>>>>>>>"a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>>>Smooth
>>>>>>>and blazing fast.
>>>>>>>hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so
>I
>>>ran
>>>>>>>it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>>>Smooth,
>>>>>>>with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>>>Impressed indeed..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>>>Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know
>how
>>>>>much
>>>>>>>building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>>>say..
>>>>>>>It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Summary:
>>>>>>>Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun
>he
>>>>best
>>>>>>>PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's
>door
>>>>>on
>>>>>>>the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>>>product..
>>>>>>>Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>>>I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>>>let's
>>>>>>>face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still
have
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>"one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>>
>>>>>>>And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or
>even,
>>>>>>>shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>>>Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run
>on
>>>>any
>>>>>>>PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>>>The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>ADK
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: New Mac Pros..Impressed [message #76784 is a reply to message #76779] |
Tue, 05 December 2006 09:34 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
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Heh. Enjoy your koolaid of choice. Keeps the pitifully limited market at
least somewhat varied.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Apple hardware on the high end is no longer the spectacularly ripoff it used
> to be. I could still home build one at their spec for less than they charge,
> and not be stuck running a busy, ugly X system on top of a 'stability over
> performance' BSD core.
>
> Sorry, I ain't drinkin' the Kool-Aid Steve Jobs is selling,
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont " <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Big difference my friend. Now, you can see that he Mac Pro is not such a
> bad
>> deal after all.??
>>
>> Come Thad, admit it..
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Single dual core.
>>>
>>> "Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Will your new machine be have 2 x core duals or just a single dual core..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Since under the hood the new Apple boxes essentially _are_ PCs, they'll
>>>> run
>>>>> pretty much any flavor of X86 *NIX out there. So did the IBM based Apple
>>>>> boxes. In fact, I was soundly mocked for posting info here about how
> the
>>>>> BSD based OS X went belly up under high multi-thread load when compared
>>>> to
>>>>> a linux install on the same PPC hardware. After further review, the same
>>>>> thing happens on other BSD boxes regardless of CPU, and FreeBSD (my personal
>>>>> fave BSD) more than most. All that mach kernel stuff methinks. Which
> is
>>>> why
>>>>> after a brief flirtation with BSD I'm back in Debian land where I belong.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm having a new DAW machine built for me (!) in the $1500 range with
>> a
>>>> Core
>>>>> Duo and Intel chipset. I still think $2500 is a sucker's price point,
>> it
>>>>> might be competing will with similar generic X86 hardware, but like $500
>>>>> gamer video cards I'm unwilling to spend and extra 30% for 10% more performance.
>>>>> I decided I don't have the time to build machines anymore, as the parts
>>>> for
>>>>> my file server have been sitting at my desk for about a month now. So
>> I'm
>>>>> paying a small premium (I'll figure out exactly how much) to have it
> put
>>>>> together for me. I'll report back on what I find, but rest assured the
>>> first
>>>>> thing I'll be doing is putting a _real_ enterprise class operating system
>>>>> on it instead of all of that XP/VISTA/OS X.FurryKitty junk. But, alas,
>>> it'll
>>>>> be XP for audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Chris.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Realteks have come a long long way. But, you are right about the PC
> side
>>>>>> of things (muli choices on the Mobo..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, PC's can only run Windows for music..and (yes Thad) Linux.
>>>>>> The Mac Pros can run OS-X and Win Xp pro). So, they the PC as far as
>> versatility..
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> HI Lamont,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah yes but unlike the already existing PC dual dual-core xeon and now
>>>>>>> soon quad core you will have PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e so you won't have
>> to
>>>>>>> replace and or buy tons of extra gear just to make music.
>>>>>>> The on board sound they use is the same as on almost all Xeon
>>>>>>> motherboards. It;'s a Realtek.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lamont wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> well today, I went down to my local Comp USA to try out a Mac pro.
>> They
>>>>>> rep
>>>>>>>> showed me a Mac Pro (quad) Dual -Dual core Intel..
>>>>>>>> It came with:
>>>>>>>> -250 Sata-300mb
>>>>>>>> -a good selection of I/O
>>>>>>>> -optical audio i.o..Nice (more on this later)
>>>>>>>> -DVD/RW.
>>>>>>>> -Space to add 4 more drives..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They had it running apple's boot-camp, so I was able to boot into
> Win
>>>>> Xp
>>>>>>>> pro.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Verdict:
>>>>>>>> I am very impressed with this unit. The speed and efficiency that
> it
>>>> ran
>>>>>>>> Win-Xp pro was as smooth and fast as I ever seen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple rep : explained to me the me that the on-board audio (via
>>> the
>>>>>> optical
>>>>>>>> i/os) were capable of of 24/94 bit sample rate with a very respectable
>>>>>> latency
>>>>>>>> via the use of Audio units drivers. And the S/N rating ranks the on-board
>>>>>>>> audio interface right up there with best of them. I played a few songs
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> a cd I brought to test. The mac Pro had a decent pair of M-audio monitors.
>>>>>>>> Man, the audio was professional. The only need that I can see someone
>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>> another audio interface is to add I/o..And it stands, if you only
> need
>>>>>> 2
>>>>>>>> inputs, then the on-board sound interface will more than suffice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the Os-x side of things, I have to say that I've never, read NEVER
>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>> seen Os-X run this fast!!! :) On previous macs, Os-x always felt
> a
>>> bit
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> "a Cheetah stuck in the quick sand"..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, on these intel -multi-core cpus, this is just wan t the Dr needed.
>>>>>> Smooth
>>>>>>>> and blazing fast.
>>>>>>>> hey did not have Logic Audio loaded, but ehy had Final-cut pro, so
>> I
>>>> ran
>>>>>>>> it thru it's paces and load up 30 or so wav files from Soundrac pro...
>>>>>> Smooth,
>>>>>>>> with video, plus I was on Saffari dancing on the internet..
>>>>>>>> Impressed indeed..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, for the Cherry on top: All this power for $2499.00..Yep..
>>>>>>>> Now, those of you who has dabbled into building your DAW, you know
>> how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> building a Dual-Dual core Opteron 285(and above) can be..let me just
>>>> say..
>>>>>>>> It'll cost more than the this Mac..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Summary:
>>>>>>>> Apple is finally figued it out. hey have a Machine hat can out gun
>> he
>>>>> best
>>>>>>>> PCs/Workstations available, and they can run both OS_X and Win Xp/pro.
>>>>>>>> For me, a former Logic Audio user who swore when Apple closed it's
>> door
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the Windows platform, that I'd never buy another apple machine nore
>>>> product..
>>>>>>>> Well, let's just say, "Let the healing begin"..
>>>>>>>> I can now have my Logic Audio (Albeit, cost way too much IIMHO)..hey,
>>>>> let's
>>>>>>>> face it, it's not as cool or as powerful as Cubase 4, butIt still
> have
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> "one of a kind" midi sequencer that's "Tighter" than my beloved MPC..
>>>>>>>> And, i can re-boot into windows to run Nuendo, Cubase, V-Stack, or
>> even,
>>>>>>>> shall I say Paris(via, a Magma PCI/E -PCI ) expander..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, skys the limit for all new Mac Pro studios.
>>>>>>>> Rumor from the Apple rep: Look for a native version of OS-X to run
>> on
>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> PC.??????Humm..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, things are really heating up..
>>>>>>>> The MAc Pro Will be my next DAW purchase for 2007..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>> ADK
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
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