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| Re: Stable long distance USB runs [message #101251 is a reply to message #101250] |
Sat, 22 November 2008 20:59   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Jeez... multitasking ...
1/4 *MILE* !! We have a 1/2 mile deep and about 3/4 mile wide facility.
Old habits, talking audio, typing that connector... duh...
I can reach the pre and routing stage with Soundweb, however the amps
require a slightly different method so I'm improvising. It's all going to be
CDi or XTi, and every building will be a Venue on the main network if I have
my way about it.
AA
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:4928e40a$1@linux...
> 1/4"!!!! Holy crap... that would sure save a lot of walking! ;-)
>
> David.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> USB extension.....Try this. I have them at work to use on audio amps so I
>> get feedback from some USB intelligent amps as far as 1/4" (maybe more)
>> away from my office. I've just begun the testing phase, but they seem to
>> do just what they say they do.
>>
>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GUIP201/
>>
>> Haven't tried this, looks cool and I've had pretty stable products from
>> this company so far.
>>
>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GDIP201/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49284b33@linux...
>>> If you guys know of better and/or less expensive products please tell
>>> me.
>>>
>>> I have a usb mouse, keyboard and midi patchbay.
>>> These all need a 25'-40' run. I also plan to eventually
>>> run 4 DVI about the same distance.
>>>
>>> These are the products I'm looking at for usb:
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2893288&CatId=444
>>
>> Doesn't say.. are you 'sure' these are USB 2.0 and are they using TCP
>> ethernet or just using that connector (RJ45) type? I might also question
>> latency on these, since you're talking about running a hardware app
>> through them that is definitely sensitive to that kind of problem.
>>
>>> or if that won't be stable, this is lots more money:
>>> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=2218
>>>
>>> These are the long run DVI products:
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2815509&CatId=79
>>
>> Same thing as above... check compliance and latency specs. I would say
>> this to 'any' device you insert in your path.
>>
>>> or:
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=1643055&CatId=1163
>>>
>>> I was hoping for a less expensive alternative. My existing USB
>>> extension ($30) is suspect. I lose
>>> my midi patchbay within Cubase at least once in an 4-8 hour session.
>>> Often times the computer
>>> locks up too.
>>
>> Less expensive usually means more hassle I've found. Consider what is
>> your time worth, and base your decisions on taking chances or not. Only
>> you know that answer bro :)
>>
>>
>>> Any other ideas folks?
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
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| Re: Stable long distance USB runs [message #101265 is a reply to message #101251] |
Mon, 24 November 2008 07:35 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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We've had mixed success with the XTi... lots of failures. Also, the DSP
is after the input level controls, so the noise floor of the DSP (which
is substantial) can't be attenuated.
David.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Jeez... multitasking ...
>
> 1/4 *MILE* !! We have a 1/2 mile deep and about 3/4 mile wide facility.
> Old habits, talking audio, typing that connector... duh...
> I can reach the pre and routing stage with Soundweb, however the amps
> require a slightly different method so I'm improvising. It's all going to be
> CDi or XTi, and every building will be a Venue on the main network if I have
> my way about it.
>
> AA
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:4928e40a$1@linux...
>> 1/4"!!!! Holy crap... that would sure save a lot of walking! ;-)
>>
>> David.
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> USB extension.....Try this. I have them at work to use on audio amps so I
>>> get feedback from some USB intelligent amps as far as 1/4" (maybe more)
>>> away from my office. I've just begun the testing phase, but they seem to
>>> do just what they say they do.
>>>
>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GUIP201/
>>>
>>> Haven't tried this, looks cool and I've had pretty stable products from
>>> this company so far.
>>>
>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GDIP201/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49284b33@linux...
>>>> If you guys know of better and/or less expensive products please tell
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I have a usb mouse, keyboard and midi patchbay.
>>>> These all need a 25'-40' run. I also plan to eventually
>>>> run 4 DVI about the same distance.
>>>>
>>>> These are the products I'm looking at for usb:
>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2893288&CatId=444
>>> Doesn't say.. are you 'sure' these are USB 2.0 and are they using TCP
>>> ethernet or just using that connector (RJ45) type? I might also question
>>> latency on these, since you're talking about running a hardware app
>>> through them that is definitely sensitive to that kind of problem.
>>>
>>>> or if that won't be stable, this is lots more money:
>>>> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=2218
>>>>
>>>> These are the long run DVI products:
>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2815509&CatId=79
>>> Same thing as above... check compliance and latency specs. I would say
>>> this to 'any' device you insert in your path.
>>>
>>>> or:
>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=1643055&CatId=1163
>>>>
>>>> I was hoping for a less expensive alternative. My existing USB
>>>> extension ($30) is suspect. I lose
>>>> my midi patchbay within Cubase at least once in an 4-8 hour session.
>>>> Often times the computer
>>>> locks up too.
>>> Less expensive usually means more hassle I've found. Consider what is
>>> your time worth, and base your decisions on taking chances or not. Only
>>> you know that answer bro :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Any other ideas folks?
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>
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| Re: Stable long distance USB runs [message #101266 is a reply to message #101265] |
Mon, 24 November 2008 15:51 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Most of what we're using it for is not musical production, it's paging in
buildings/barns so it works out fine for that. The CDi-1000 is the model
most used at this point. I've seen some failures here on that but it's
mainly due to being subjected to a nasty environment and heat. The K1's and
K2's have been pretty solid, but have no USB control. They're getting up
there in age though, so what would you recommend as a replacement there that
has USB interface feedback and control? Those are mostly in our main
pavilion and are a music production setting. (
http://www.exposquare.com/es/facilities/pavilion.asp )
The XTi I've had personal experience with using it for my live band, and
it's been pretty bullet proof so far. But then again, a noisy club wouldn't
show much noise floor issue really.
It's good to know though that they have that issue so I won't try to use
them in a more critical environment.
AA
"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:492acdd8@linux...
> We've had mixed success with the XTi... lots of failures. Also, the DSP
> is after the input level controls, so the noise floor of the DSP (which is
> substantial) can't be attenuated.
>
> David.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> Jeez... multitasking ...
>>
>> 1/4 *MILE* !! We have a 1/2 mile deep and about 3/4 mile wide facility.
>> Old habits, talking audio, typing that connector... duh...
>> I can reach the pre and routing stage with Soundweb, however the amps
>> require a slightly different method so I'm improvising. It's all going to
>> be CDi or XTi, and every building will be a Venue on the main network if
>> I have my way about it.
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
>> news:4928e40a$1@linux...
>>> 1/4"!!!! Holy crap... that would sure save a lot of walking! ;-)
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>> USB extension.....Try this. I have them at work to use on audio amps so
>>>> I get feedback from some USB intelligent amps as far as 1/4" (maybe
>>>> more) away from my office. I've just begun the testing phase, but they
>>>> seem to do just what they say they do.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GUIP201/
>>>>
>>>> Haven't tried this, looks cool and I've had pretty stable products from
>>>> this company so far.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iogear.com/product/GDIP201/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:49284b33@linux...
>>>>> If you guys know of better and/or less expensive products please tell
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a usb mouse, keyboard and midi patchbay.
>>>>> These all need a 25'-40' run. I also plan to eventually
>>>>> run 4 DVI about the same distance.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the products I'm looking at for usb:
>>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2893288&CatId=444
>>>> Doesn't say.. are you 'sure' these are USB 2.0 and are they using TCP
>>>> ethernet or just using that connector (RJ45) type? I might also
>>>> question latency on these, since you're talking about running a
>>>> hardware app through them that is definitely sensitive to that kind of
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>> or if that won't be stable, this is lots more money:
>>>>> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=2218
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the long run DVI products:
>>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=2815509&CatId=79
>>>> Same thing as above... check compliance and latency specs. I would say
>>>> this to 'any' device you insert in your path.
>>>>
>>>>> or:
>>>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det ails.asp?EdpNo=1643055&CatId=1163
>>>>>
>>>>> I was hoping for a less expensive alternative. My existing USB
>>>>> extension ($30) is suspect. I lose
>>>>> my midi patchbay within Cubase at least once in an 4-8 hour session.
>>>>> Often times the computer
>>>>> locks up too.
>>>> Less expensive usually means more hassle I've found. Consider what is
>>>> your time worth, and base your decisions on taking chances or not. Only
>>>> you know that answer bro :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Any other ideas folks?
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>
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