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Sun, 20 August 2006 22:28   |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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Lamont, saying you would rather back terrorists (cold blooded killers) is
about as far from Christian belief as I've ever heard. It is not the way we
believe or talk as Christians, based completely on what the Bible teaches.
If you don't like Bush, that's fine, but stereotyping and slandering people
while claiming you speak for the whole of Christianity in the same breath is
wrong. No two ways about it my friend. No, you do not speak for
Christianity as a faith. Democrat or Republican, your approach is simply
political hyperbole. Please don't confuse your political views with faith.
On 8/20/06 10:46 PM, in article 44e93a92$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot ox, then
> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned country
> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>
> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed the
> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long time
> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the President.Callit
> Mid-term elections.
>
> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have gone
> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with left
> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some say
> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more Liberal
> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending and
> spending with reckless abandonment.
> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton did.
> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those poor
> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the pump(LOL)..!!
> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
>
> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
> Democrats.
> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They Michigan
> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have fought
> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay. Some
> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
> Collar)
> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our guns..
>
>
> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and non
> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is coming
> from the white house..
> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form some
> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
> children..than
> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
> kool-aid..
> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war, then
> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch Fox
> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli war
> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>
> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to get
> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we were
> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>
> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much worse
> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in office???
> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!! He
> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live and
> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a President(Republican
> or Democrat)..
>
> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith and
> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us who
> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and trust
> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
> are we that stupid ??
> Next regime please..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when teaming
>> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>> American public, not military leaders.<
>>
>> This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
>> box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole damned
>> country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>> says
>>>>> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
>>>> "sham"
>>>>> Iraq war.
>>>>
>>>> The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>> going
>>>> strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>>
>>> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over -
> the
>>> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we
> are
>>> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with
> what
>>> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest number
>>> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the insurgency
>>> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the hands
>>> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and thugs
>>> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq I
>>> recently talked with).
>>>
>>> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>>> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>>> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>> teaming
>>> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>>> American public, not military leaders.
>>>
>>> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
>>> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism,
> or
>> hot
>>> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually understand
>>> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
>>> compromise every single day.
>>>
>>> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected president
>> in
>>> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass
> Go
>> or
>>> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning
> me
>>> into a pessimist. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71519 is a reply to message #71517] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 22:46 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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LaMont,
I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly disagree
with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
administration, but it will need to be an administration that is willing to
fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed, Pelosi,
Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill for
the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border situation.
that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first thing
we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what the
cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone, democrat or
republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about NYC, but
Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or around
the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
Regards,
DJ
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e93a92$1@linux...
>
> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot ox,
then
> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned country
> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>
> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
the
> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
time
> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the President.Callit
> Mid-term elections.
>
> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have gone
> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with left
> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some say
> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more Liberal
> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending and
> spending with reckless abandonment.
> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton
did.
> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those poor
> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the pump(LOL)..!!
> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
>
> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
Democrats.
> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They Michigan
> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have
fought
> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
Some
> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
Collar)
> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our
guns..
>
>
> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and
non
> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is
coming
> from the white house..
> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form
some
> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
children..than
> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
kool-aid..
> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war, then
> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
Fox
> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
war
> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>
> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to
get
> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we were
> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>
> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much worse
> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
office???
> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!! He
> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live and
> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
President(Republican
> or Democrat)..
>
> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith and
> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us who
> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and
trust
> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
> are we that stupid ??
> Next regime please..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
teaming
> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
> >American public, not military leaders.<
> >
> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the
ballot
> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole
damned
> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
> >
> >
> >
> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
> >says
> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
that
> >> > "sham"
> >> >> Iraq war.
> >> >
> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was
still
> >going
> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
> >>
> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over -
> the
> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we
> are
> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with
> what
> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest
number
> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
insurgency
> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the
hands
> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and
thugs
> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq I
> >> recently talked with).
> >>
> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
current
> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
> >teaming
> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
> >> American public, not military leaders.
> >>
> >> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
> >> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism,
> or
> >hot
> >> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually
understand
> >> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
> >> compromise every single day.
> >>
> >> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected
president
> >in
> >> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass
> Go
> >or
> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning
> me
> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71520 is a reply to message #71518] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 00:05 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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What I'm saying is (from aprevious post) is that I feel that this administration
are killers. They killed our young soldiers for a stupid cause.
As to my I'll take the terroist" statement..Well, Dedric ask an Iraqi citizen
about who they think are the terrorist???
As for that statement being unchristian. Well who said that the American
policy is the "Thee" authority of Christianity???
My views are not slanderer not in fear of speaking against a burgeoning tyranny.
I know full well I don't speak for the entire Christian population, only
Jesus does. But, faith in a Man, is stupid..
Yes, I feel that the Bush(ites) are evil. Evil lying politians. So, if you
take that as being slanted, then so beit.
So, you and the other 33-36 percent can keep on fighting the war on terror
,and find your WMD's or what ever.
I'm not buying it.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Lamont, saying you would rather back terrorists (cold blooded killers) is
>about as far from Christian belief as I've ever heard. It is not the way
we
>believe or talk as Christians, based completely on what the Bible teaches.
>
>If you don't like Bush, that's fine, but stereotyping and slandering people
>while claiming you speak for the whole of Christianity in the same breath
is
>wrong. No two ways about it my friend. No, you do not speak for
>Christianity as a faith. Democrat or Republican, your approach is simply
>political hyperbole. Please don't confuse your political views with faith.
>
>On 8/20/06 10:46 PM, in article 44e93a92$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot ox,
then
>> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned country
>> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>>
>> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
the
>> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
time
>> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the President.Callit
>> Mid-term elections.
>>
>> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have gone
>> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with left
>> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some say
>> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more Liberal
>> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending
and
>> spending with reckless abandonment.
>> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton
did.
>> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those
poor
>> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the pump(LOL)..!!
>> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
>>
>> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
>> Democrats.
>> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They Michigan
>> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have
fought
>> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
Some
>> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
>> Collar)
>> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our
guns..
>>
>>
>> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and
non
>> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is
coming
>> from the white house..
>> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form
some
>> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
>> children..than
>> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
>> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
>> kool-aid..
>> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war, then
>> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
Fox
>> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
war
>> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
>> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>>
>> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to
get
>> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we were
>> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>>
>> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much worse
>> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in office???
>> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!!
He
>> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live
and
>> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a President(Republican
>> or Democrat)..
>>
>> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith
and
>> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us who
>> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and
trust
>> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
>> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
>> are we that stupid ??
>> Next regime please..
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>>> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>>> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when teaming
>>> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>>> American public, not military leaders.<
>>>
>>> This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the
ballot
>>> box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole
damned
>>> country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
>>>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>>> says
>>>>>> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
that
>>>>> "sham"
>>>>>> Iraq war.
>>>>>
>>>>> The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>>> going
>>>>> strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>>>
>>>> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over
-
>> the
>>>> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we
>> are
>>>> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with
>> what
>>>> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest
number
>>>> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the insurgency
>>>> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the
hands
>>>> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and
thugs
>>>> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq
I
>>>> recently talked with).
>>>>
>>>> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>>>> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
and
>>>> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>>> teaming
>>>> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>>>> American public, not military leaders.
>>>>
>>>> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
>>>> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism,
>> or
>>> hot
>>>> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually understand
>>>> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
>>>> compromise every single day.
>>>>
>>>> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected president
>>> in
>>>> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass
>> Go
>>> or
>>>> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning
>> me
>>>> into a pessimist. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71522 is a reply to message #71519] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 00:14 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey DJ,
Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the borders?
I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective sleeves
Humm??
Maybe they want another 911..TO:
-Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and expansion
is the only way..
-spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
-Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys fight
your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??
Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the infl;ux
of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew ha..No,
up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>LaMont,
>
>I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly disagree
>with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
>administration, but it will need to be an administration that is willing
to
>fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed, Pelosi,
>Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill for
>the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border situation.
>that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first thing
>we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what the
>cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone, democrat
or
>republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about NYC,
but
>Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or around
>the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e93a92$1@linux...
>>
>> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot ox,
>then
>> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned country
>> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>>
>> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
>the
>> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
>time
>> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the President.Callit
>> Mid-term elections.
>>
>> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have gone
>> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with left
>> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some say
>> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more Liberal
>> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending
and
>> spending with reckless abandonment.
>> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton
>did.
>> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those
poor
>> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the pump(LOL)..!!
>> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
>>
>> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
>Democrats.
>> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They Michigan
>> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have
>fought
>> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
>Some
>> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
>Collar)
>> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our
>guns..
>>
>>
>> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and
>non
>> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is
>coming
>> from the white house..
>> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form
>some
>> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
>children..than
>> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
>> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
>kool-aid..
>> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war, then
>> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
>Fox
>> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
>war
>> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
>> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>>
>> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to
>get
>> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we were
>> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>>
>> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much worse
>> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
>office???
>> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!!
He
>> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live
and
>> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
>President(Republican
>> or Democrat)..
>>
>> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith
and
>> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us who
>> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and
>trust
>> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
>> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
>> are we that stupid ??
>> Next regime please..
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>teaming
>> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>> >American public, not military leaders.<
>> >
>> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the
>ballot
>> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole
>damned
>> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
>> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent.
That
>> >says
>> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
>that
>> >> > "sham"
>> >> >> Iraq war.
>> >> >
>> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was
>still
>> >going
>> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>> >>
>> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over
-
>> the
>> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead,
we
>> are
>> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with
>> what
>> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest
>number
>> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
>insurgency
>> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the
>hands
>> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and
>thugs
>> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq
I
>> >> recently talked with).
>> >>
>> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
>current
>> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
and
>> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>> >teaming
>> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>> >> American public, not military leaders.
>> >>
>> >> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
>> >> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism,
>> or
>> >hot
>> >> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually
>understand
>> >> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
>> >> compromise every single day.
>> >>
>> >> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected
>president
>> >in
>> >> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass
>> Go
>> >or
>> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning
>> me
>> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71523 is a reply to message #71496] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 00:59 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
that the Neo-con right has given you.
Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric, let
me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
would not fight??
To decent is not American?
Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place well
before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to the
US public. 911 and then WMDS..
The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your WW3
war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or popular
with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous engagements
haven't worked out..
So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is way
way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and middle-east
occupation.....
Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local recruiting
centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in the
prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
forces.
Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that thew
will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights that
all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen.. Well,
it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government has ever
fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises to them,
unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's Liberal(ism)
is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and is
a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man, what
a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle east?
Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for permanant
US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
the entire region???
See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
stand..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>LaMont (sigh..............)
>
>I've got a few thoughts below:
>
>"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>>
>> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
>fight.
>> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>change
>> here."
>>
>> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka the
>present
>> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>liberties,freedom
>> under the guise of democracy.
>>
>
>Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing it
>completely?
>
>> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe i this
>> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's soo
>un-beliveable
>> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>laughable.
>> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States fear
>> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>
>Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he thought
>he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach for
war
>and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one of the
>few things I like about him.
>
>>
>> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That says
>> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
>"sham"
>> Iraq war.
>
>The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still going
>strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>
>> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
sham
>> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never take
>> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
>folks
>> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
>weasling
>> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm if
I'd
>> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>> LAD
>
>Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good in the
>world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know it.
>Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
has
>caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay for
it.
>Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect slick
>Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there are
some
>incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
>still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters who
>would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
>controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep us up
to
>speed on a rapidly changing world.
>
>Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and create
>a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect this
>country?
>
>Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting a new
>policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
>anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration due
to
>their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in the
>middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism and
>espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and good
in
>a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the time
he
>left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places we
>needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts off
>about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while turning
>a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them oil
>under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man, the
>polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind of
>unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
This
>is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>
>Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered him
>up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia after
>18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin Laden
>came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
with
>Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation between
>domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered them
>completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by an
>idiot like Clinton.
>
>The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
used
>for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the same
>intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
war
>on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
even
>though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
>1990's.
>
>The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my mind
>that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend to
>power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot reconcile
>the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by the
>crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>
>Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is, is
>evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that sanctions
>were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone think
>that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be, since
>there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like Iran?
>If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed major
>pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would be
a
>great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
>nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with great
>haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would not
>have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>wouldn't look good in the polls.
>
>Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these facists,
>they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while totally
>ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for him
too)
>
>To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that the
>entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to balance
>the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in many
>ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet another
>genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions in
>Iraq.
>
>Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle in
>Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can we?
The
>polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill abrogated
>his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by not
>calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist and
>*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely and
>then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure of
>leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>
>Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con, be
>advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control and
>think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality that
>threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global warming
>is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going to
be
>too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate
war,
>believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe in
>government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but I
>think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least believe
>in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various sects
>of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights as
>well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be better
>to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
>understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
to
>point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going to
go
>away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
I
>think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to diffuse
>the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I firmly
>believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
>they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary when
you
>look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
>events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of Revelations
>and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
and
>wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
>
>I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
to
>the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are brought
>to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
>terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
>weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to fester
>and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the leftist/liberal
>agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you pay
>much attention to the real agenda.
>
>There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's convenient
>for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically, to
>take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then it's
not
>part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares me
>about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
>confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for freedom
>of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make right
now
>and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to debate,
>rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
>facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly. the
>freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
>willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous and
can
>bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will not
>take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it makes
>me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
>confront it can bring about a world war.
>
>I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the real
>issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down in a
>place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>
>PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>
>THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>
>ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>
>UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>
>CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>
>SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>
>LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>
>HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>
>RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>death.
>
>I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury of
>debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this country
>can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage an
>administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>
>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long
>and
>> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do
>other
>> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
>> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't have
>> any
>> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
>deadly
>> >accurate.
>> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used up
so
>> I
>> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
>> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem
>> at
>> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
>called
>> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>> >
>> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
>fight.
>> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them
>than
>> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
to
>> do
>> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
we
>> >are the better they like it.
>> >
>> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>> >
>> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
>> >Enjoy.
>> >
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
>> >rights
>> >> and it's Liberties..
>> >>
>> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
>> >who's
>> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would
>hope
>> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>> >tierney.
>> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
But
>> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those Democrats
>> who
>> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>> >>
>> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war
is
>> >second
>> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
>there(
>> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop fighting
>> or
>> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> >> I thought so..
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>> >terrorist..Why??
>> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>> >Goverment.aka
>> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
the
>> >good
>> >> >of this union.
>> >> >
>> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
>> >party
>> >> >stand for Lamont?
>> >> >
>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
to
>> >debut
>> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>> >stories
>> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>sadistic,
>> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to
the
>> >> >pits!!!..
>> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons.
>> They
>> >> are
>> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>> >hearings
>> >> >> should start immediately.!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>> >liberties
>> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
>the
>> >> >right
>> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
of
>> >> >Homeland
>> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the sham
>> of
>> >> >making
>> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>Government???
>> >> >>
>> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>> >terrorist..Why??
>> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>> >Goverment.aka
>> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
>the
>> >> good
>> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic, fearful,
>> >> and
>> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking away
>> >> >"free-speech,
>> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But,
>> we
>> >> are
>> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>> >Lastly,
>> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's
>first
>> >> >ask
>> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
>> >showed
>> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>attacked..???
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chan
>g
>> >e
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Nappy-
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Check it out!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-Steve
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71527 is a reply to message #71511] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 02:00 |
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unfortunately the bottom line is that you can't win a gorilla war.
there's no front and there's 10,000 fronts.
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:56:45 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Are the Democrats going to improve
>>this situation? Have they ever? Is the answer to just pull up stakes and
>>leave?
>
>Steve,
>
>I think all three questions are equally important.
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote in message
>news:44e8f3b6$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Steve,
>> >
>> >This is pretty horrific and I really don't doubt this. I've seen
>situations
>> >like this before in my dealings in the private sector. I heard this kind
>> of
>> >thing from a guy I met when I was living in Mexico who was a German
>soldier
>> >stationed with a bunnch of NATO troops, many of whom were Americans. This
>> >was back in 1977. Besides his obvious and virulent hatred of the black
>> >American servicemen, he was totally and constantly critical of command
>and
>> >control procedures of the American army. Many of the things described in
>> >this article sound familiar in light of what this guy was talking about
>> so
>> >this kind of FUBAR crap has been happening in the military for
>> >years..............so what's the answer? Are the Democrats going to
>improve
>> >this situation? Have they ever? Is the answer to just pull up stakes and
>> >leave?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Simple answer:
>>
>> Perhaps.
>>
>> All depends on what you want. What was the question?
>>
>> -steve
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71533 is a reply to message #71523] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 07:05 |
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
>that the Neo-con right has given you.
>Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
And Clinton was incompetent to a staggering degree. Deal with
it.
>Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
>would not fight??
They would waffle, negotiate, deal with the corrupt UN, make token
raids on the wrong targets to kill a few people (usually the wrong
ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
nukes... I would like to avoid that.
>To decent is not American?
>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place well
>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to the
>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
WWII? How do you figure?
We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
accuse others of "kool-aid"? amazing really...
I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
WW3
>war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or popular
>with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous engagements
>haven't worked out..
For you and your side to win, we must lose this war. So you
and yours have called it a mistake and a "quagmire" since about
a week into it, made absurd vietnam comparisons, and failed to
praise even the brave Iraqi's who voted in such high numbers
under the threat of being attacked at any time. You all just
went nice and quiet and waited for the next bombing or
decapitation so you could start the rap up again. And you wonder
why people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
way
>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and middle-east
>occupation.....
Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local recruiting
>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in the
>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
blame Bush.
The
>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>
>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>forces.
Is there actual evidence for this?
>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle east?
>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for permanant
>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>the entire region???
A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>stand..
Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
And EVERY SINGLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
There's a lot at stake.
DC
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71540 is a reply to message #71523] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 08:59 |
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The reason I'm so disappointed in Clinton is that during his whole
administration, I was wanting him to do the things he needed to
do........and I watched in fcinated horror as he fucked up again and again..
Even an insignificant, regular old citizen like me could see what needed to
be done and he couldn't????..........and I was right!!!!. It just blows me
away. I wanted to believe that I was missing something and that this Rhoades
scholar superdude/great national hope knew more than I did. Well, he turned
out to be the bitggest dumbass we've ever elected and his oversights brought
us to 911.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e967d0$1@linux...
>
> Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the
"Kool-Aid"
> that the Neo-con right has given you.
> Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>
>
> Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric, let
> me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
>
> Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called
liberals
> would not fight??
>
> To decent is not American?
> Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place well
> before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to the
> US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>
> The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
WW3
> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
popular
> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
engagements
> haven't worked out..
>
> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
way
> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
middle-east
> occupation.....
>
> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
recruiting
> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
Americans
> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in the
> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>
> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
> forces.
> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that thew
> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
that
> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen.. Well,
> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government has
ever
> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>
> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises to
them,
> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>
> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
Liberal(ism)
> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and is
> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
what
> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>
> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
east?
> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
permanant
> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
> the entire region???
>
> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
> stand..
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >LaMont (sigh..............)
> >
> >I've got a few thoughts below:
> >
> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
> >fight.
> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
> >change
> >> here."
> >>
> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka the
> >present
> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
> >liberties,freedom
> >> under the guise of democracy.
> >>
> >
> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing it
> >completely?
> >
> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe i
this
> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's soo
> >un-beliveable
> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
> >laughable.
> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
fear
> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
> >
> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
thought
> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach for
> war
> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one of
the
> >few things I like about him.
> >
> >>
> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
says
> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
> >"sham"
> >> Iraq war.
> >
> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
going
> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
> >>
> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
> sham
> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
take
> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
> >folks
> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
> >weasling
> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm if
> I'd
> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
> >> LAD
> >
> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good in
the
> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
it.
> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
> has
> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay for
> it.
> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
slick
> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there are
> some
> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters who
> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep us up
> to
> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
> >
> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and
create
> >a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect this
> >country?
> >
> >Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting a new
> >policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
> >anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration due
> to
> >their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in the
> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism and
> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and good
> in
> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the time
> he
> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places we
> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
off
> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
turning
> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them oil
> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man, the
> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind of
> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
> This
> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
> >
> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered him
> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
after
> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
Laden
> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
> with
> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
between
> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
them
> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by an
> >idiot like Clinton.
> >
> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
> used
> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the same
> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
> war
> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
> even
> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
> >1990's.
> >
> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my mind
> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend to
> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
reconcile
> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by the
> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
> >
> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is, is
> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
sanctions
> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone think
> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
since
> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
Iran?
> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
major
> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would be
> a
> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with great
> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
not
> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
> >
> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
facists,
> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
totally
> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for him
> too)
> >
> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that the
> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
balance
> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in
many
> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
another
> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions in
> >Iraq.
> >
> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle in
> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can we?
> The
> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
abrogated
> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by not
> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist and
> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
and
> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure of
> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
> >
> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con, be
> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control and
> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality that
> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
warming
> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going to
> be
> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate
> war,
> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe in
> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but I
> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
believe
> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
sects
> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights as
> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
better
> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
> to
> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going to
> go
> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
> I
> >think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to
diffuse
> >the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I firmly
> >believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
> >they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary when
> you
> >look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
> >events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of
Revelations
> >and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
> and
> >wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
> >
> >I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
> to
> >the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are
brought
> >to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
> >terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
> >weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to
fester
> >and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the
leftist/liberal
> >agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you pay
> >much attention to the real agenda.
> >
> >There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's
convenient
> >for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically, to
> >take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then it's
> not
> >part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares me
> >about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
> >confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for
freedom
> >of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make right
> now
> >and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to
debate,
> >rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
> >facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly.
the
> >freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
> >willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous and
> can
> >bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will not
> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
makes
> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
> >confront it can bring about a world war.
> >
> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the real
> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down in a
> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
> >
> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
> >
> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
> >
> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
> >
> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
> >
> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
> >
> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
> >
> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
> >
> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
> >
> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
> >death.
> >
> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury of
> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
country
> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage an
> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long
> >and
> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do
> >other
> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
check
> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
have
> >> any
> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
> >deadly
> >> >accurate.
> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used up
> so
> >> I
> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
battlefield
> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
problem
> >> at
> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
> >called
> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
> >> >
> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
> >fight.
> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them
> >than
> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
> to
> >> do
> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
> we
> >> >are the better they like it.
> >> >
> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
> >> >
> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
wonderful.
> >> >Enjoy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >DJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:44e8083f$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
constitutional
> >> >rights
> >> >> and it's Liberties..
> >> >>
> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
mongers,
> >> >who's
> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would
> >hope
> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
> >> >tierney.
> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
> But
> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
Democrats
> >> who
> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
> >> >>
> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war
> is
> >> >second
> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
> >there(
> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
fighting
> >> or
> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
> >> >> I thought so..
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> >> >terrorist..Why??
> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> >> >Goverment.aka
> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
> the
> >> >good
> >> >> >of this union.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
opposing
> >> >party
> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
> to
> >> >debut
> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
> >> >stories
> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
> >sadistic,
> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to
> the
> >> >> >pits!!!..
> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
neo-cons.
> >> They
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
> >> >hearings
> >> >> >> should start immediately.!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
> >> >liberties
> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
> >the
> >> >> >right
> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
> of
> >> >> >Homeland
> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the
sham
> >> of
> >> >> >making
> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
> >Government???
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> >> >terrorist..Why??
> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> >> >Goverment.aka
> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
> >the
> >> >> good
> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
fearful,
> >> >> and
> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking away
> >> >> >"free-speech,
> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
But,
> >> we
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
> >> >Lastly,
> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's
> >first
> >> >> >ask
> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
> >> >showed
> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
> >attacked..???
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
n
> >g
> >> >e
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Nappy-
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Check it out!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >-Steve
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71543 is a reply to message #71522] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 09:27 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I don't think the administration or the democrats want to close the borders.
It wouldn't be politically prodent. whoever does that loses the hispanic
vote.
>My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys fight
your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??<
Where did you get that? Can you quote a source. That was the Clinton mantra
my friend. The ecenomy appears to be good so let's keep whistling in the
dark aned not rock the boat while the threats gather on the horizon. If 911
would have happened a year earlier, the blame would have been clear to even
you.
>Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
infl;ux
of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew ha..No,
up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..<
I've got no problem with peoiple who happen to be from Mexico or anywhere
else. I've got a problem with an uncontrolled border and with terrorists..As
far as jobs jobs jobs are concerned, perhaps you should consider the reason
why the detroit auto industry doesn't produce cars that people want to buy
anymore. Compared to what is available from the foriegn competitors, they
are overpriced crap my friend. If they built the Honda spec, the car would
cost so much that no one would buy it because of the amount of union lard
that is ladled onto the price tag of each vehicle so they cut corners and
build cheap because that the only way they can achieve a copmpetitive price
point. They have been crap since the early 70's.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e95d65$1@linux...
>
> Hey DJ,
> Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the
borders?
> I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
> Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective sleeves
> Humm??
>
> Maybe they want another 911..TO:
>
> -Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and
expansion
> is the only way..
>
> -spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
>
> -Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
>
> My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
fight
> your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??
>
> Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
> state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
infl;ux
> of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
ha..No,
> up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >LaMont,
> >
> >I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly disagree
> >with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
> >administration, but it will need to be an administration that is willing
> to
> >fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed, Pelosi,
> >Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill
for
> >the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border
situation.
> >that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first
thing
> >we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what the
> >cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone, democrat
> or
> >republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about NYC,
> but
> >Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or around
> >the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e93a92$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
ox,
> >then
> >> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned
country
> >> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
> >>
> >> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
> >the
> >> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
> >time
> >> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the
President.Callit
> >> Mid-term elections.
> >>
> >> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have
gone
> >> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with
left
> >> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some
say
> >> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more
Liberal
> >> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending
> and
> >> spending with reckless abandonment.
> >> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton
> >did.
> >> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those
> poor
> >> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the
pump(LOL)..!!
> >> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
> >>
> >> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
> >Democrats.
> >> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They
Michigan
> >> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have
> >fought
> >> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
> >Some
> >> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
> >Collar)
> >> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our
> >guns..
> >>
> >>
> >> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and
> >non
> >> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is
> >coming
> >> from the white house..
> >> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form
> >some
> >> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
> >children..than
> >> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
> >> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
> >kool-aid..
> >> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war,
then
> >> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
> >Fox
> >> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
> >war
> >> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
> >> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
> >>
> >> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to
> >get
> >> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we
were
> >> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
> >>
> >> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much
worse
> >> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
> >office???
> >> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!!
> He
> >> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live
> and
> >> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
> >President(Republican
> >> or Democrat)..
> >>
> >> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith
> and
> >> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us
who
> >> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and
> >trust
> >> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
> >> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
> >> are we that stupid ??
> >> Next regime please..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
current
> >> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
and
> >> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
> >teaming
> >> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
> >> >American public, not military leaders.<
> >> >
> >> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the
> >ballot
> >> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole
> >damned
> >> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive
ideology.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
> >> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent.
> That
> >> >says
> >> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
> >that
> >> >> > "sham"
> >> >> >> Iraq war.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was
> >still
> >> >going
> >> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took
office.
> >> >>
> >> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over
> -
> >> the
> >> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead,
> we
> >> are
> >> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government
with
> >> what
> >> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest
> >number
> >> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
> >insurgency
> >> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the
> >hands
> >> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and
> >thugs
> >> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq
> I
> >> >> recently talked with).
> >> >>
> >> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
> >current
> >> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
> and
> >> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
> >> >teaming
> >> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
> >> >> American public, not military leaders.
> >> >>
> >> >> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or
can't
> >> >> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina,
terrorism,
> >> or
> >> >hot
> >> >> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually
> >understand
> >> >> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
> >> >> compromise every single day.
> >> >>
> >> >> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected
> >president
> >> >in
> >> >> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not
pass
> >> Go
> >> >or
> >> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are
turning
> >> me
> >> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71550 is a reply to message #71533] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 10:51 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Oh yeah. .just look a t what going to Iraq has done for US??? Yeah, we really
slapped them around. ?? Meanwhile, our boys and girls are returning home
in bags for a false cause and A NOT well Planned attack"..
You talk about Clinton..Let's look at this idiot we have in office now. He's
so dumb he can't even remember the last lie he told a few seconds ago. Deer
in the headlights. He's an embarrassment to this Nation..
"DC" <dc@spammersinprison.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
>>that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>
>And Clinton was incompetent to a staggering degree. Deal with
>it.
>
>>Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
>>would not fight??
>
>They would waffle, negotiate, deal with the corrupt UN, make token
>raids on the wrong targets to kill a few people (usually the wrong
>ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
>to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
>nukes... I would like to avoid that.
>
>
>>To decent is not American?
>>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place well
>>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
the
>>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>
>
>So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
>WWII? How do you figure?
>
>We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
>Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
>this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
>accuse others of "kool-aid"? amazing really...
>
>I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
>you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
>
>
>>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>WW3
>>war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or popular
>>with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
engagements
>>haven't worked out..
>
>For you and your side to win, we must lose this war. So you
>and yours have called it a mistake and a "quagmire" since about
>a week into it, made absurd vietnam comparisons, and failed to
>praise even the brave Iraqi's who voted in such high numbers
>under the threat of being attacked at any time. You all just
>went nice and quiet and waited for the next bombing or
>decapitation so you could start the rap up again. And you wonder
>why people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
>americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
>despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>
>
>>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
>way
>>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
middle-east
>>occupation.....
>
>Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
>
>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>
>
>>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local recruiting
>>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
the
>>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
>
>While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
>left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
>The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
>of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
>paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
>blame Bush.
>
>
>The
>>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>
>>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>forces.
>
>Is there actual evidence for this?
>
>
>>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
east?
>>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for permanant
>>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>>the entire region???
>
>A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
>Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>
>
>>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>stand..
>
>Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
>that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
>Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
>
>And EVERY SINGLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
>purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
>and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
>
>Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
>to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
>can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
>
>There's a lot at stake.
>
>DC
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71551 is a reply to message #71540] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 10:53 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Oh No.. This biggest dumb -ass idiot is our current president for sure. He's
an embarrassment to this nation..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>The reason I'm so disappointed in Clinton is that during his whole
>administration, I was wanting him to do the things he needed to
>do........and I watched in fcinated horror as he fucked up again and again..
>Even an insignificant, regular old citizen like me could see what needed
to
>be done and he couldn't????..........and I was right!!!!. It just blows
me
>away. I wanted to believe that I was missing something and that this Rhoades
>scholar superdude/great national hope knew more than I did. Well, he turned
>out to be the bitggest dumbass we've ever elected and his oversights brought
>us to 911.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e967d0$1@linux...
>>
>> Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the
>"Kool-Aid"
>> that the Neo-con right has given you.
>> Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>
>>
>> Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric,
let
>> me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
>>
>> Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called
>liberals
>> would not fight??
>>
>> To decent is not American?
>> Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
well
>> before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
the
>> US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>
>> The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>WW3
>> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
>popular
>> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>engagements
>> haven't worked out..
>>
>> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
>way
>> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>middle-east
>> occupation.....
>>
>> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
>recruiting
>> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
>Americans
>> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
the
>> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
>> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>
>> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>> forces.
>> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that
thew
>> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
>that
>> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen.. Well,
>> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government has
>ever
>> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>>
>> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises to
>them,
>> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>>
>> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
>Liberal(ism)
>> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
is
>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>what
>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>
>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>east?
>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>permanant
>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>> the entire region???
>>
>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>> stand..
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>> >
>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>> >
>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
to
>> >fight.
>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>> >change
>> >> here."
>> >>
>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
the
>> >present
>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>> >liberties,freedom
>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
it
>> >completely?
>> >
>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
i
>this
>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
soo
>> >un-beliveable
>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>> >laughable.
>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>fear
>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>> >
>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>thought
>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach for
>> war
>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one of
>the
>> >few things I like about him.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>says
>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
>> >"sham"
>> >> Iraq war.
>> >
>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>going
>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>> >>
>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
>> sham
>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>take
>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
>> >folks
>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
>> >weasling
>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
if
>> I'd
>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>> >> LAD
>> >
>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good in
>the
>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>it.
>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
>> has
>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay for
>> it.
>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>slick
>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there are
>> some
>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters who
>> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
>> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep us
up
>> to
>> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
>> >
>> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and
>create
>> >a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect this
>> >country?
>> >
>> >Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting a
new
>> >policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
>> >anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration
due
>> to
>> >their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in
the
>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
and
>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
good
>> in
>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
time
>> he
>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
we
>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>off
>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>turning
>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them oil
>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
the
>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
of
>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
>> This
>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>> >
>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
him
>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>after
>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>Laden
>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>> with
>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>between
>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>them
>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by
an
>> >idiot like Clinton.
>> >
>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>> used
>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the same
>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>> war
>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
>> even
>> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
>> >1990's.
>> >
>> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my
mind
>> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend
to
>> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
>reconcile
>> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by
the
>> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>> >
>> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is,
is
>> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
>sanctions
>> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone think
>> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
>since
>> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
>Iran?
>> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
>major
>> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would
be
>> a
>> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
>> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with great
>> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
>not
>> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
>> >
>> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
>facists,
>> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
>totally
>> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for him
>> too)
>> >
>> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that
the
>> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
>balance
>> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in
>many
>> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
>another
>> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions
in
>> >Iraq.
>> >
>> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle
in
>> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can
we?
>> The
>> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
>abrogated
>> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by
not
>> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist and
>> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
>and
>> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure
of
>> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>> >
>> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con,
be
>> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control
and
>> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality
that
>> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
>warming
>> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going
to
>> be
>> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate
>> war,
>> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe in
>> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but
I
>> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
>believe
>> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
>sects
>> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights
as
>> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
>better
>> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
>> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
>> to
>> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going
to
>> go
>> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
>> I
>> >think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to
>diffuse
>> >the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I firmly
>> >believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
>> >they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary when
>> you
>> >look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
>> >events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of
>Revelations
>> >and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
>> and
>> >wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
>> >
>> >I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
>> to
>> >the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are
>brought
>> >to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
>> >terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
>> >weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to
>fester
>> >and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the
>leftist/liberal
>> >agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you
pay
>> >much attention to the real agenda.
>> >
>> >There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's
>convenient
>> >for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically,
to
>> >take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then it's
>> not
>> >part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares
me
>> >about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
>> >confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for
>freedom
>> >of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make right
>> now
>> >and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to
>debate,
>> >rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
>> >facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly.
>the
>> >freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
>> >willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous and
>> can
>> >bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will
not
>> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
>makes
>> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
>> >confront it can bring about a world war.
>> >
>> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the real
>> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down in
a
>> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>> >
>> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>> >
>> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>> >
>> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>> >
>> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>> >
>> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>> >
>> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>> >
>> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>> >
>> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>> >
>> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>> >death.
>> >
>> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury
of
>> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
>country
>> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage
an
>> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought
long
>> >and
>> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could
do
>> >other
>> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
>check
>> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
>have
>> >> any
>> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
>> >deadly
>> >> >accurate.
>> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used
up
>> so
>> >> I
>> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
>battlefield
>> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>problem
>> >> at
>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
>> >called
>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>> >> >
>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
to
>> >fight.
>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them
>> >than
>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>> we
>> >> >are the better they like it.
>> >> >
>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>> >> >
>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
>wonderful.
>> >> >Enjoy.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> >DJ
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
>constitutional
>> >> >rights
>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>mongers,
>> >> >who's
>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would
>> >hope
>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>> >> >tierney.
>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>> But
>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>Democrats
>> >> who
>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war
>> is
>> >> >second
>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
>> >there(
>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>fighting
>> >> or
>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> >> >> I thought so..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>> >> >Goverment.aka
>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
>> the
>> >> >good
>> >> >> >of this union.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>opposing
>> >> >party
>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
>> to
>> >> >debut
>> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>> >> >stories
>> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>> >sadistic,
>> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down
to
>> the
>> >> >> >pits!!!..
>> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
>neo-cons.
>> >> They
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>> >> >hearings
>> >> >> >> should start immediately.!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>> >> >liberties
>> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
>> >the
>> >> >> >right
>> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
>> of
>> >> >> >Homeland
>> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the
>sham
>> >> of
>> >> >> >making
>> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>> >Government???
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>> >> >Goverment.aka
>> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
and
>> >the
>> >> >> good
>> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
>fearful,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking away
>> >> >> >"free-speech,
>> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
>But,
>> >> we
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>> >> >Lastly,
>> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's
>> >first
>> >> >> >ask
>> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama ..
That
>> >> >showed
>> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>> >attacked..???
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
>n
>> >g
>> >> >e
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71554 is a reply to message #71550] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 11:17 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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Once again, your facts are simply wrong. It was the quickest victory
over a regime in the history of warfare, with the fewest US
casualties and the fewest non-combatants killed.
Making a new govt. work there is proving to be a challenge with
the foreign head choppers and jihadis who have come in, and the
diehard Saddam loyalists. But once again, you are cheering for
the other side. Do you really think Iraqis are too stupid for
democracy?
This "conversation" with you is clearly becoming a wasye of time.
DC
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Oh yeah. .just look a t what going to Iraq has done for US??? Yeah, we really
>slapped them around. ?? Meanwhile, our boys and girls are returning home
>in bags for a false cause and A NOT well Planned attack"..
>
>You talk about Clinton..Let's look at this idiot we have in office now.
He's
>so dumb he can't even remember the last lie he told a few seconds ago. Deer
>in the headlights. He's an embarrassment to this Nation..
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinprison.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
>>>that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>>Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>
>>And Clinton was incompetent to a staggering degree. Deal with
>>it.
>>
>>>Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
>>>would not fight??
>>
>>They would waffle, negotiate, deal with the corrupt UN, make token
>>raids on the wrong targets to kill a few people (usually the wrong
>>ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
>>to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
>>nukes... I would like to avoid that.
>>
>>
>>>To decent is not American?
>>>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
well
>>>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
>the
>>>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>
>>
>>So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
>>WWII? How do you figure?
>>
>>We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
>>Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
>>this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
>>accuse others of "kool-aid"? amazing really...
>>
>>I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
>>you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
>>
>>
>>>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>WW3
>>>war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or popular
>>>with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>engagements
>>>haven't worked out..
>>
>>For you and your side to win, we must lose this war. So you
>>and yours have called it a mistake and a "quagmire" since about
>>a week into it, made absurd vietnam comparisons, and failed to
>>praise even the brave Iraqi's who voted in such high numbers
>>under the threat of being attacked at any time. You all just
>>went nice and quiet and waited for the next bombing or
>>decapitation so you could start the rap up again. And you wonder
>>why people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
>>americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
>>despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>>
>>
>>>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment is
>>way
>>>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>middle-east
>>>occupation.....
>>
>>Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
>>
>>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>>
>>
>>>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local recruiting
>>>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>>>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>the
>>>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
>>
>>While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
>>left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
>>The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
>>of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
>>paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
>>blame Bush.
>>
>>
>>The
>>>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>
>>>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>>forces.
>>
>>Is there actual evidence for this?
>>
>>
>>>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>east?
>>>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for permanant
>>>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and nuke
>>>the entire region???
>>
>>A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
>>Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>>
>>
>>>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the WW2
>>>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>stand..
>>
>>Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
>>that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
>>Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
>>
>>And EVERY SINGLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
>>purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
>>and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
>>
>>Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
>>to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
>>can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
>>
>>There's a lot at stake.
>>
>>DC
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71556 is a reply to message #71543] |
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LaMont
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911 a year earlier...Not..It happened on your guys watch! Period!!!
You guys can try to swing it Clinton's way all you like, but you are in a
very small minority. This is Bushes baby. He and his party "Stole the election,
and this is their reward!!
The jury is still out about 911 and it's "true" culprits.. I put nothing
past a nation who has a history of terrorist act against it's citizens including
assassinating presidents and political leaders and organizations. Now, if
you are of white decent, then you wouldn't see things that way.. But, as
an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's past
dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's.. We
learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling Dr
King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
and a threat to our nation.
To Dedric:
The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
Ending slavery was a neccessay means to an end. To get the "cheap" larbors
from $$thriving" southern agriculutral industrys to the Nothern new factories.
The south was kicking the "Norths" behinds monetarily$$ With the souths cheap
"but" very laborers, the north could not compete.. So..How can we get some
that Cheap labors(North)..Hummm.."The Slaves need to free" so they can come
up here and work for us...
That's why Slavery ended. it had nothing to do with the so-called "do-gooders".
Yes abolishoinist we around, but it was the likes of big northern industies
and with the help of the US (Yankee) army to make that haapend. The south
was fight for it's $$$$ life.. We all no what soon happend to the south after
the war when the slaves left the plantations..The south has never fully recovered
from that economic $$ hit. the north thrived..
DJ: Don;t belive all the Japan nees cars are great hype and cheap: They are
not cheap. A hond accord can cost you upwards to $27,000 ..so can a Camery..
It's all perception my friend. The guys and gals who work for Toyota & Honda
in th states are all $$Highly paid .. I've owned Honda's, Toyota, Jags nd
GM, Ford, Chryslers..and The Honda, while agreat engine, rusted after 6 years
on all it's panels.. Now I know this due to my neck of the woods (Mid-west)
acid rain, salted roads in the winter....BUT, non of my american cars rust
like this..Even more. for us , since everyone here get's a employee discount
on (GM's, Ford, Chryslers) it just works out better $$$ to get a domestic
car.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I don't think the administration or the democrats want to close the borders.
>It wouldn't be politically prodent. whoever does that loses the hispanic
>vote.
>
>>My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys fight
>your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??<
>
>Where did you get that? Can you quote a source. That was the Clinton mantra
>my friend. The ecenomy appears to be good so let's keep whistling in the
>dark aned not rock the boat while the threats gather on the horizon. If
911
>would have happened a year earlier, the blame would have been clear to even
>you.
>
>>Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
>state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
>infl;ux
>of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew ha..No,
>up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..<
>
>I've got no problem with peoiple who happen to be from Mexico or anywhere
>else. I've got a problem with an uncontrolled border and with terrorists..As
>far as jobs jobs jobs are concerned, perhaps you should consider the reason
>why the detroit auto industry doesn't produce cars that people want to buy
>anymore. Compared to what is available from the foriegn competitors, they
>are overpriced crap my friend. If they built the Honda spec, the car would
>cost so much that no one would buy it because of the amount of union lard
>that is ladled onto the price tag of each vehicle so they cut corners and
>build cheap because that the only way they can achieve a copmpetitive price
>point. They have been crap since the early 70's.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e95d65$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey DJ,
>> Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the
>borders?
>> I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
>> Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective sleeves
>> Humm??
>>
>> Maybe they want another 911..TO:
>>
>> -Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and
>expansion
>> is the only way..
>>
>> -spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
>>
>> -Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
>>
>> My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
>fight
>> your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??
>>
>> Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a boader
>> state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
>infl;ux
>> of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
>ha..No,
>> up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$ Gas$$$$..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >LaMont,
>> >
>> >I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly disagree
>> >with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
>> >administration, but it will need to be an administration that is willing
>> to
>> >fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed, Pelosi,
>> >Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill
>for
>> >the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border
>situation.
>> >that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first
>thing
>> >we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what
the
>> >cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone, democrat
>> or
>> >republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about NYC,
>> but
>> >Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or around
>> >the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >DJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e93a92$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
>ox,
>> >then
>> >> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned
>country
>> >> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
>> >>
>> >> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed
>> >the
>> >> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long
>> >time
>> >> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the
>President.Callit
>> >> Mid-term elections.
>> >>
>> >> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have
>gone
>> >> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with
>left
>> >> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some
>say
>> >> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more
>Liberal
>> >> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending
>> and
>> >> spending with reckless abandonment.
>> >> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton
>> >did.
>> >> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those
>> poor
>> >> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the
>pump(LOL)..!!
>> >> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
>> >>
>> >> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative
>> >Democrats.
>> >> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They
>Michigan
>> >> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles
have
>> >fought
>> >> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay.
>> >Some
>> >> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue
>> >Collar)
>> >> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love
our
>> >guns..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites
and
>> >non
>> >> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht
is
>> >coming
>> >> from the white house..
>> >> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war
form
>> >some
>> >> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
>> >children..than
>> >> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
>> >> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
>> >kool-aid..
>> >> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war,
>then
>> >> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch
>> >Fox
>> >> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli
>> >war
>> >> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
>> >> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
>> >>
>> >> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook
to
>> >get
>> >> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we
>were
>> >> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
>> >>
>> >> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much
>worse
>> >> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
>> >office???
>> >> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!!
>> He
>> >> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live
>> and
>> >> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
>> >President(Republican
>> >> or Democrat)..
>> >>
>> >> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith
>> and
>> >> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us
>who
>> >> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith
and
>> >trust
>> >> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
>> >> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
>> >> are we that stupid ??
>> >> Next regime please..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
>current
>> >> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
>and
>> >> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>> >teaming
>> >> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>> >> >American public, not military leaders.<
>> >> >
>> >> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the
>> >ballot
>> >> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole
>> >damned
>> >> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive
>ideology.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>> >> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> >> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
>> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent.
>> That
>> >> >says
>> >> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him
or
>> >that
>> >> >> > "sham"
>> >> >> >> Iraq war.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was
>> >still
>> >> >going
>> >> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took
>office.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is
over
>> -
>> >> the
>> >> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead,
>> we
>> >> are
>> >> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government
>with
>> >> what
>> >> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest
>> >number
>> >> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
>> >insurgency
>> >> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at
the
>> >hands
>> >> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists
and
>> >thugs
>> >> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq
>> I
>> >> >> recently talked with).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
>> >current
>> >> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe
in
>> and
>> >> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>> >> >teaming
>> >> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's
the
>> >> >> American public, not military leaders.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or
>can't
>> >> >> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina,
>terrorism,
>> >> or
>> >> >hot
>> >> >> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually
>> >understand
>> >> >> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
>> >> >> compromise every single day.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected
>> >president
>> >> >in
>> >> >> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not
>pass
>> >> Go
>> >> >or
>> >> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are
>turning
>> >> me
>> >> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71558 is a reply to message #71554] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 11:28 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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It's only a waist of time because you keep spilling the white-house press
clips. You get all of your fact from the good o'l fox news broadcast..Now,
that's a station full of real facts..
"DC" <dc@spammersincuba.com> wrote:
>
>Once again, your facts are simply wrong. It was the quickest victory
>over a regime in the history of warfare, with the fewest US
>casualties and the fewest non-combatants killed.
>
>Making a new govt. work there is proving to be a challenge with
>the foreign head choppers and jihadis who have come in, and the
>diehard Saddam loyalists. But once again, you are cheering for
>the other side. Do you really think Iraqis are too stupid for
>democracy?
>
>This "conversation" with you is clearly becoming a wasye of time.
>
>DC
>
>
>
>"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Oh yeah. .just look a t what going to Iraq has done for US??? Yeah, we
really
>>slapped them around. ?? Meanwhile, our boys and girls are returning home
>>in bags for a false cause and A NOT well Planned attack"..
>>
>>You talk about Clinton..Let's look at this idiot we have in office now.
>He's
>>so dumb he can't even remember the last lie he told a few seconds ago.
Deer
>>in the headlights. He's an embarrassment to this Nation..
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinprison.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the "Kool-Aid"
>>>>that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>>>Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>>
>>>And Clinton was incompetent to a staggering degree. Deal with
>>>it.
>>>
>>>>Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called liberals
>>>>would not fight??
>>>
>>>They would waffle, negotiate, deal with the corrupt UN, make token
>>>raids on the wrong targets to kill a few people (usually the wrong
>>>ones) and then get so backed into a corner that they either have
>>>to capitulate to the jihadis or, as you say below, go boom, as in
>>>nukes... I would like to avoid that.
>>>
>>>
>>>>To decent is not American?
>>>>Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
>well
>>>>before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
>>the
>>>>US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>>
>>>
>>>So it's hard to sell war to americans after the biggest attack since
>>>WWII? How do you figure?
>>>
>>>We found the WMD's btw. 500 of them, and one of
>>>Saddams own guys says the rest went to Syria. You cannot win
>>>this argument on evidence so you resort to wild paranoia, and
>>>accuse others of "kool-aid"? amazing really...
>>>
>>>I don't CARE if you support Bush or not, I do care about the lengths
>>>you are going to, to make a case that cannot be made rationally.
>>>
>>>
>>>>The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>>WW3
>>>>war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
popular
>>>>with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>>engagements
>>>>haven't worked out..
>>>
>>>For you and your side to win, we must lose this war. So you
>>>and yours have called it a mistake and a "quagmire" since about
>>>a week into it, made absurd vietnam comparisons, and failed to
>>>praise even the brave Iraqi's who voted in such high numbers
>>>under the threat of being attacked at any time. You all just
>>>went nice and quiet and waited for the next bombing or
>>>decapitation so you could start the rap up again. And you wonder
>>>why people question your loyalty? I have never seen so many
>>>americans hoping for our defeat. Our brave soldiers are succeeding
>>>despite the best efforts of both the jihadis and the left.
>>>
>>>
>>>>So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
is
>>>way
>>>>way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>>to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>middle-east
>>>>occupation.....
>>>
>>>Actually, as with much of your rap, you got the facts wrong again.
>>>
>>>http://www.azstarnet.com/news/141607
>>>
>>>
>>>>Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
recruiting
>>>>centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African Americans
>>>>don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>>the
>>>>prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..
>>>
>>>While African immigrants are wildly successful here, and the
>>>left still refuses to look at the results of their misguided programs...
>>>The imprisonment rate of African Americans closely follows the rate
>>>of decline in intact families which inversely follows the rate of
>>>paternalistic liberal programs. But no, it's so much easier to
>>>blame Bush.
>>>
>>>
>>>The
>>>>American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>>>oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>>
>>>>I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>>for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>>>forces.
>>>
>>>Is there actual evidence for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>east?
>>>>Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
permanant
>>>>US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
nuke
>>>>the entire region???
>>>
>>>A secular and democratic state would do so. Hence Iraq.
>>>Remember, we would like to avoid nukes?
>>>
>>>
>>>>See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>>and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
WW2
>>>>(in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>>stand..
>>>
>>>Of course, a Republican (Lincoln) ended slavery, but it looks like
>>>that record doesn't stand for much with you. Oh, it's in the past?
>>>Well so are the days of Democrats being *anything* like Truman.
>>>
>>>And EVERY SINGLE Truman or even Kennedy democrat has been
>>>purged from the democratic party, the most recent being a good
>>>and decent Kennedy liberal named Leiberman.
>>>
>>>Listen LaMont, I am not a conservative, and neither is DJ. You need
>>>to admit that this is a complex and difficult issue and good points
>>>can be made on both sides. Come, let us reason together.
>>>
>>>There's a lot at stake.
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71561 is a reply to message #71556] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 11:55 |
DC
Messages: 722
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>But, as
>an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
past
>dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
>we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's..
We
>learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling
Dr
>King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
>and a threat to our nation.
What unmerciful bullsh*t. You mention all of that without ONE
DAMN WORD about the bloodiest war in our history to end
slavery, and in doing so you spit on the grave of every moral white
man who died in that war, and every buffalo soldier and every other
american who fought to end slavery. Oh, that's right, the Civil
war was fought to get more cheap labor... Yeah, all those guys died
for cheap labor...
Man, you need to get out more. You are the black version of
the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
WHAT?
Except for these guys:
http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
and these guys:
http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
oh, and these guys:
http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
and this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
and this guy
http://www.tsowell.com/
and this guy:
http://www.lynnswann.com/
and this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
and this guy:
http://www.alankeyes.com/
and this guy:
http://www.larryelder.com/
And this guy
http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
And this guy:
http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
And this guy:
http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
and this guy:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
African American right?
The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
DC
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71562 is a reply to message #71556] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 12:11 |
Deej [1]
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No, it happened the first time in 1992 and they didn't succeeded in bringing
down the towers
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm
........they were just a little late in getting it together in 2001, but
Clinton gave them plenty of breathing room to get it right. Bush just
happened to be president by that time......but in the meantime, they had a
couple of trial runs and managed to bring down a couple of
embassies.........
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1 998/08/08/wbom08
..html
and if you want to talk about conspiracies, there's this........
http://www.wsws.org/news/1998/aug1998/bomb-a13.shtml
oops........but wait.........that would be the Clinton administration being
accused of blowing up our own people in a terrorist plot instead of the the
Bush administration and so I doubt that this would fity your agenda.
........and so your point is what???.......that 911 wouldn't have happened if
Gore had been elected?
but I guess that doesn't count huh?
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e9f9b2$1@linux...
>
> 911 a year earlier...Not..It happened on your guys watch! Period!!!
> You guys can try to swing it Clinton's way all you like, but you are in a
> very small minority. This is Bushes baby. He and his party "Stole the
election,
> and this is their reward!!
>
> The jury is still out about 911 and it's "true" culprits.. I put nothing
> past a nation who has a history of terrorist act against it's citizens
including
> assassinating presidents and political leaders and organizations. Now, if
> you are of white decent, then you wouldn't see things that way.. But, as
> an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
past
> dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
> we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's.. We
> learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling Dr
> King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader
"un-patriotic",
> and a threat to our nation.
>
> To Dedric:
> The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
> Ending slavery was a neccessay means to an end. To get the "cheap" larbors
> from $$thriving" southern agriculutral industrys to the Nothern new
factories.
> The south was kicking the "Norths" behinds monetarily$$ With the souths
cheap
> "but" very laborers, the north could not compete.. So..How can we get some
> that Cheap labors(North)..Hummm.."The Slaves need to free" so they can
come
> up here and work for us...
> That's why Slavery ended. it had nothing to do with the so-called
"do-gooders".
> Yes abolishoinist we around, but it was the likes of big northern
industies
> and with the help of the US (Yankee) army to make that haapend. The south
> was fight for it's $$$$ life.. We all no what soon happend to the south
after
> the war when the slaves left the plantations..The south has never fully
recovered
> from that economic $$ hit. the north thrived..
>
> DJ: Don;t belive all the Japan nees cars are great hype and cheap: They
are
> not cheap. A hond accord can cost you upwards to $27,000 ..so can a
Camery..
> It's all perception my friend. The guys and gals who work for Toyota &
Honda
> in th states are all $$Highly paid .. I've owned Honda's, Toyota, Jags nd
> GM, Ford, Chryslers..and The Honda, while agreat engine, rusted after 6
years
> on all it's panels.. Now I know this due to my neck of the woods
(Mid-west)
> acid rain, salted roads in the winter....BUT, non of my american cars rust
> like this..Even more. for us , since everyone here get's a employee
discount
> on (GM's, Ford, Chryslers) it just works out better $$$ to get a domestic
> car.
>
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I don't think the administration or the democrats want to close the
borders.
> >It wouldn't be politically prodent. whoever does that loses the hispanic
> >vote.
> >
> >>My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
fight
> >your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??<
> >
> >Where did you get that? Can you quote a source. That was the Clinton
mantra
> >my friend. The ecenomy appears to be good so let's keep whistling in the
> >dark aned not rock the boat while the threats gather on the horizon. If
> 911
> >would have happened a year earlier, the blame would have been clear to
even
> >you.
> >
> >>Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a
boader
> >state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
> >infl;ux
> >of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
ha..No,
> >up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$
Gas$$$$..<
> >
> >I've got no problem with peoiple who happen to be from Mexico or anywhere
> >else. I've got a problem with an uncontrolled border and with
terrorists..As
> >far as jobs jobs jobs are concerned, perhaps you should consider the
reason
> >why the detroit auto industry doesn't produce cars that people want to
buy
> >anymore. Compared to what is available from the foriegn competitors, they
> >are overpriced crap my friend. If they built the Honda spec, the car
would
> >cost so much that no one would buy it because of the amount of union lard
> >that is ladled onto the price tag of each vehicle so they cut corners and
> >build cheap because that the only way they can achieve a copmpetitive
price
> >point. They have been crap since the early 70's.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e95d65$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey DJ,
> >> Do you think that just maybe the Bush(ites) don't want to close the
> >borders?
> >> I mean, hes' the great protector and all..Right?
> >> Just maybe they have something more elaborate up their collective
sleeves
> >> Humm??
> >>
> >> Maybe they want another 911..TO:
> >>
> >> -Really convince the american people that "total globalization" and
> >expansion
> >> is the only way..
> >>
> >> -spread democracy to evey corner of the earth.
> >>
> >> -Convices us that we must be at war until Jesus comes back..
> >>
> >> My questions are: Whatever happed to "We" US people will let you guys
> >fight
> >> your little war, and you'll "Bush-ites" will give us cheap gas??
> >>
> >> Well, we all got reamed with no grease on all fronts.. I live on a
boader
> >> state-city (Cannda/Windor Ontario).. I guess since we're not geting the
> >infl;ux
> >> of hispanics like you guys in the southwest, there is not a big brew
> >ha..No,
> >> up here, it's about Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs and Gas$$$$ Gas $$$$
Gas$$$$..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >LaMont,
> >> >
> >> >I certainly respect you faith, whatever that may be. I certainly
disagree
> >> >with your opinions though. I'll be as ready as anyone for a new
> >> >administration, but it will need to be an administration that is
willing
> >> to
> >> >fight, not appease.......and the idea of the likes of Harry Reed,
Pelosi,
> >> >Kennedy, etc. having positions of greater power and influence bode ill
> >for
> >> >the future of this nation. I do agree with you about the border
> >situation.
> >> >that's the biggest clusterfuck that Bush has pulled, IMHO. the first
> >thing
> >> >we should have done after 911 was secure the borders, no matter what
> the
> >> >cost politically and monetarily. I doubt, however, that anyone,
democrat
> >> or
> >> >republican will be willing to do this. Folks may be paranoid about
NYC,
> >> but
> >> >Houston is where the energy infrastructure lies and one nuke in or
around
> >> >the Houston ship channel and we're toast.
> >> >
> >> >Regards,
> >> >
> >> >DJ
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:44e93a92$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
> >ox,
> >> >then
> >> >> let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned
> >country
> >> >> down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
> >> >>
> >> >> This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have
drank-ed
> >> >the
> >> >> kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship
long
> >> >time
> >> >> ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the
> >President.Callit
> >> >> Mid-term elections.
> >> >>
> >> >> One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have
> >gone
> >> >> down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with
> >left
> >> >> or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some
> >say
> >> >> "Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more
> >Liberal
> >> >> than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps
spending
> >> and
> >> >> spending with reckless abandonment.
> >> >> Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as
Clinton
> >> >did.
> >> >> AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All
those
> >> poor
> >> >> working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the
> >pump(LOL)..!!
> >> >> Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
> >> >>
> >> >> No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are
Conservative
> >> >Democrats.
> >> >> In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They
> >Michigan
> >> >> Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles
> have
> >> >fought
> >> >> (union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair
pay.
> >> >Some
> >> >> lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern
(Blue
> >> >Collar)
> >> >> Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love
> our
> >> >guns..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites
> and
> >> >non
> >> >> whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht
> is
> >> >coming
> >> >> from the white house..
> >> >> No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war
> form
> >> >some
> >> >> imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our
> >> >children..than
> >> >> to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
> >> >> You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the
> >> >kool-aid..
> >> >> So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war,
> >then
> >> >> be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ...
Watch
> >> >Fox
> >> >> new network all day and night...By the way: Since the
Hezbollah/Israeli
> >> >war
> >> >> came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
> >> >> They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
> >> >>
> >> >> Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook
> to
> >> >get
> >> >> off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we
> >were
> >> >> losing that war, in was not new worthy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much
> >worse
> >> >> than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in
> >> >office???
> >> >> No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on
thrown!!
> >> He
> >> >> is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to
live
> >> and
> >> >> to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a
> >> >President(Republican
> >> >> or Democrat)..
> >> >>
> >> >> See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and
faith
> >> and
> >> >> trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us
> >who
> >> >> are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith
> and
> >> >trust
> >> >> in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
> >> >> Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
> >> >> are we that stupid ??
> >> >> Next regime please..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
> >current
> >> >> >administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in
> >and
> >> >> >stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
> >> >teaming
> >> >> >with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's
the
> >> >> >American public, not military leaders.<
> >> >> >
> >> >> >This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at
the
> >> >ballot
> >> >> >box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the
whole
> >> >damned
> >> >> >country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive
> >ideology.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
> >> >> >> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
> >> >> >> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36
percent.
> >> That
> >> >> >says
> >> >> >> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him
> or
> >> >that
> >> >> >> > "sham"
> >> >> >> >> Iraq war.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and
was
> >> >still
> >> >> >going
> >> >> >> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took
> >office.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is
> over
> >> -
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But
instead,
> >> we
> >> >> are
> >> >> >> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government
> >with
> >> >> what
> >> >> >> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The
greatest
> >> >number
> >> >> >> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the
> >> >insurgency
> >> >> >> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at
> the
> >> >hands
> >> >> >> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists
> and
> >> >thugs
> >> >> >> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from
Iraq
> >> I
> >> >> >> recently talked with).
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the
> >> >current
> >> >> >> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe
> in
> >> and
> >> >> >> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did
when
> >> >> >teaming
> >> >> >> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's
> the
> >> >> >> American public, not military leaders.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or
> >can't
> >> >> >> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina,
> >terrorism,
> >> >> or
> >> >> >hot
> >> >> >> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually
> >> >understand
> >> >> >> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in
dark
> >> >> >> compromise every single day.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected
> >> >president
> >> >> >in
> >> >> >> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not
> >pass
> >> >> Go
> >> >> >or
> >> >> >> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are
> >turning
> >> >> me
> >> >> >> into a pessimist. ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71565 is a reply to message #71556] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 12:27 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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On 8/21/06 12:21 PM, in article 44e9f9b2$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> To Dedric:
> The Civil war was not a war to end slaverly. You nned to to more research.
> Ending slavery was a neccessay means to an end. To get the "cheap" larbors
> from $$thriving" southern agriculutral industrys to the Nothern new factories.
> The south was kicking the "Norths" behinds monetarily$$ With the souths cheap
> "but" very laborers, the north could not compete.. So..How can we get some
> that Cheap labors(North)..Hummm.."The Slaves need to free" so they can come
> up here and work for us...
> That's why Slavery ended. it had nothing to do with the so-called
> "do-gooders".
> Yes abolishoinist we around, but it was the likes of big northern industies
> and with the help of the US (Yankee) army to make that haapend. The south
> was fight for it's $$$$ life.. We all no what soon happend to the south after
> the war when the slaves left the plantations..The south has never fully
> recovered
> from that economic $$ hit. the north thrived..
I know. I was waiting to see if anyone caught the irony - a war for
monetary gain that we now look back on with a sort of "pride" that we
righted our "wrong". Yet in the same breath we choose to see no value to
the Iraqi people in being free from being held captive by a tyrannical
regime, simply because that wasn't the real reason for the war. Hmm, sounds
familiar. Have you made the connection?
We pick and choose what works for us - even after the deed is done,
regardless of the validity of the intent. That's the lesser known
definition of "politics". Big business rules not only our wallets, but our
hearts and political minds too. Time to look down the road up there in
Michigan if you want to blame someone for our oil motivated society that
even has a relationship with the Middle East...
I'll follow DC's request and abide by a cease fire. If you need to respond,
feel free. I'm off - work to do.
My next post will likely be about a plugin.
Dedric
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71567 is a reply to message #71561] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 13:14 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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DC, it is now evident that you not only don't your bible, but you don't diddly-squat
about history either..
I won't berate you with verbal attacks, because I see that you're ignorant
and dumb.
Unlike DJ & Dedric, who have so elequently stated their views and with passion
and intelligence, you on the other hand have done neither.
"DC" <dc@spammersinharlem.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>But, as
>>an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
>past
>>dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
>>we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's..
>We
>>learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling
>Dr
>>King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
>>and a threat to our nation.
>
>
>What unmerciful bullsh*t. You mention all of that without ONE
>DAMN WORD about the bloodiest war in our history to end
>slavery, and in doing so you spit on the grave of every moral white
>man who died in that war, and every buffalo soldier and every other
>american who fought to end slavery. Oh, that's right, the Civil
>war was fought to get more cheap labor... Yeah, all those guys died
>for cheap labor...
>
>the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
>
>
>And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
>
>WHAT?
>
>Except for these guys:
>
>http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
>
>and these guys:
>
>http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
>
>oh, and these guys:
>
>http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
>
>and this guy
>
>http://www.tsowell.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.lynnswann.com/
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.alankeyes.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.larryelder.com/
>
>And this guy
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
>
>
>Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
>African American right?
>
>The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
>
>
>DC
>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71568 is a reply to message #71561] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 13:21 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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DC, it seems that you unlike 99 percent of African Americans agree with any
of those So called black conservatives.
Oh you forgot one: Condoleezza Rice.. Her name is not really popular within
the African American race these days as well..
Responding to your post are a waste of good mixing time.
"DC" <dc@spammersinharlem.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>But, as
>>an African American, we tend to see and view the US government and it's
>past
>>dealing with my race differently. We watched our goverment stand pat as
>>we we being lynched, raped and beaten in the 40's-50s and 60s, & 70's..
>We
>>learn of secret tapings of Martin Luther King with FBI director calling
>Dr
>>King a "Terrorist" !!!! They called every African American leader "un-patriotic",
>>and a threat to our nation.
>
>
>What unmerciful bullsh*t. You mention all of that without ONE
>DAMN WORD about the bloodiest war in our history to end
>slavery, and in doing so you spit on the grave of every moral white
>man who died in that war, and every buffalo soldier and every other
>american who fought to end slavery. Oh, that's right, the Civil
>war was fought to get more cheap labor... Yeah, all those guys died
>for cheap labor...
>
>the John Birch society and the Illuminati crowd...
>
>
>And every African American leader is called unpatriotic?
>
>WHAT?
>
>Except for these guys:
>
>http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/
>
>and these guys:
>
>http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=2349
>
>oh, and these guys:
>
>http://www.homeofheroes.com/e-books/mohE_black/index1.html
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Thomas
>
>and this guy
>
>http://www.tsowell.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.lynnswann.com/
>
>and this guy
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.alankeyes.com/
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.larryelder.com/
>
>And this guy
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/roy.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.core-online.org/Staff/niger.htm
>
>And this guy:
>
>http://www.hoover.org/bios/steele
>
>and this guy:
>
>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
>
>
>Oh, I FORGOT, they are not liberals! Well then, they are not
>African American right?
>
>The only REAL African American leaders are liberals, right?
>
>
>DC
>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71574 is a reply to message #71551] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 13:40 |
Mark McDermott
Messages: 204
Registered: February 2006
Location: Portland, OR
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Senior Member |
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At least with the current idiot I never have to turn off the evening news
in front of my kids because of the DNA and BJs.
;)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Oh No.. This biggest dumb -ass idiot is our current president for sure.
He's
>an embarrassment to this nation..
>
>
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>The reason I'm so disappointed in Clinton is that during his whole
>>administration, I was wanting him to do the things he needed to
>>do........and I watched in fcinated horror as he fucked up again and again..
>>Even an insignificant, regular old citizen like me could see what needed
>to
>>be done and he couldn't????..........and I was right!!!!. It just blows
>me
>>away. I wanted to believe that I was missing something and that this Rhoades
>>scholar superdude/great national hope knew more than I did. Well, he turned
>>out to be the bitggest dumbass we've ever elected and his oversights brought
>>us to 911.
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e967d0$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the
>>"Kool-Aid"
>>> that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>> Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>>
>>>
>>> Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric,
>let
>>> me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
>>>
>>> Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called
>>liberals
>>> would not fight??
>>>
>>> To decent is not American?
>>> Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
>well
>>> before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell to
>the
>>> US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>>
>>> The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>WW3
>>> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
>>popular
>>> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>>engagements
>>> haven't worked out..
>>>
>>> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
is
>>way
>>> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>middle-east
>>> occupation.....
>>>
>>> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
>>recruiting
>>> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
>>Americans
>>> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy in
>the
>>> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
>>> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So, where
>>> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>
>>> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American Armed
>>> forces.
>>> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that
>thew
>>> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
>>that
>>> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen.. Well,
>>> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government has
>>ever
>>> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>>>
>>> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises to
>>them,
>>> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>>>
>>> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
>>Liberal(ism)
>>> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
>is
>>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>>what
>>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>>
>>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>east?
>>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>>permanant
>>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
nuke
>>> the entire region???
>>>
>>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
WW2
>>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>> stand..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>>> >
>>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>>> >
>>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>to
>>> >fight.
>>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>> >change
>>> >> here."
>>> >>
>>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
>the
>>> >present
>>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>>> >liberties,freedom
>>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
>it
>>> >completely?
>>> >
>>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
>i
>>this
>>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
>soo
>>> >un-beliveable
>>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>>> >laughable.
>>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>>fear
>>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>>> >
>>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>>thought
>>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach
for
>>> war
>>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one
of
>>the
>>> >few things I like about him.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>>says
>>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
that
>>> >"sham"
>>> >> Iraq war.
>>> >
>>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>>going
>>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>> >>
>>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this
>>> sham
>>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>>take
>>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
>>> >folks
>>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
>>> >weasling
>>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
>if
>>> I'd
>>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>>> >> LAD
>>> >
>>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good
in
>>the
>>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>>it.
>>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that
>>> has
>>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay
for
>>> it.
>>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>>slick
>>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there
are
>>> some
>>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
>>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters
who
>>> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
>>> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep
us
>up
>>> to
>>> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
>>> >
>>> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and
>>create
>>> >a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect this
>>> >country?
>>> >
>>> >Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting
a
>new
>>> >policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
>>> >anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration
>due
>>> to
>>> >their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in
>the
>>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
>and
>>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
>good
>>> in
>>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
>time
>>> he
>>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
>we
>>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>>off
>>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>>turning
>>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them
oil
>>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
>the
>>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
>of
>>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now.
>>> This
>>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>>> >
>>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
>him
>>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>>after
>>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>>Laden
>>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>>> with
>>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>>between
>>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>>them
>>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by
>an
>>> >idiot like Clinton.
>>> >
>>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>>> used
>>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the
same
>>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>>> war
>>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD,
>>> even
>>> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
>>> >1990's.
>>> >
>>> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my
>mind
>>> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend
>to
>>> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
>>reconcile
>>> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>>> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by
>the
>>> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>>> >
>>> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is,
>is
>>> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
>>sanctions
>>> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone
think
>>> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
>>since
>>> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
>>Iran?
>>> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
>>major
>>> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would
>be
>>> a
>>> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
>>> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with
great
>>> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
>>not
>>> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>>> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
>>> >
>>> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
>>facists,
>>> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
>>totally
>>> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>>> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for
him
>>> too)
>>> >
>>> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that
>the
>>> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>>> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>>> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
>>balance
>>> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in
>>many
>>> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>>> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
>>another
>>> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions
>in
>>> >Iraq.
>>> >
>>> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle
>in
>>> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can
>we?
>>> The
>>> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
>>abrogated
>>> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by
>not
>>> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist
and
>>> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
>>and
>>> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>>> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>>> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure
>of
>>> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>>> >
>>> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>>> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con,
>be
>>> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control
>and
>>> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality
>that
>>> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
>>warming
>>> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going
>to
>>> be
>>> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate
>>> war,
>>> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe
in
>>> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but
>I
>>> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>>> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
>>believe
>>> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
>>sects
>>> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>>> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights
>as
>>> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
>>better
>>> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>>> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
>>> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
>>> to
>>> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>>> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going
>to
>>> go
>>> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
>>> I
>>> >think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to
>>diffuse
>>> >the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I firmly
>>> >believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
>>> >they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary when
>>> you
>>> >look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
>>> >events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of
>>Revelations
>>> >and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
>>> and
>>> >wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
>>> >
>>> >I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
>>> to
>>> >the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are
>>brought
>>> >to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
>>> >terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
>>> >weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to
>>fester
>>> >and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the
>>leftist/liberal
>>> >agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you
>pay
>>> >much attention to the real agenda.
>>> >
>>> >There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's
>>convenient
>>> >for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically,
>to
>>> >take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then it's
>>> not
>>> >part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares
>me
>>> >about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
>>> >confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for
>>freedom
>>> >of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make right
>>> now
>>> >and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to
>>debate,
>>> >rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
>>> >facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly.
>>the
>>> >freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
>>> >willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous
and
>>> can
>>> >bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will
>not
>>> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>>> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
>>makes
>>> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
>>> >confront it can bring about a world war.
>>> >
>>> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the
real
>>> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down
in
>a
>>> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>>> >
>>> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>>> >
>>> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>>> >
>>> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>>> >
>>> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>>> >
>>> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>>> >
>>> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>>> >
>>> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>>> >
>>> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>>> >
>>> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>>> >death.
>>> >
>>> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>>> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury
>of
>>> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
>>country
>>> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage
>an
>>> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>>> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >
>>> >DJ
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought
>long
>>> >and
>>> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could
>do
>>> >other
>>> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
>>check
>>> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
>>have
>>> >> any
>>> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and
I'm
>>> >deadly
>>> >> >accurate.
>>> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used
>up
>>> so
>>> >> I
>>> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
>>battlefield
>>> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>>problem
>>> >> at
>>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
>>> >called
>>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>to
>>> >fight.
>>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to
them
>>> >than
>>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left
>>> to
>>> >> do
>>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>>> we
>>> >> >are the better they like it.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>>> >> >
>>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
>>wonderful.
>>> >> >Enjoy.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Regards,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >DJ
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
>>constitutional
>>> >> >rights
>>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>>mongers,
>>> >> >who's
>>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I
would
>>> >hope
>>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>>> >> >tierney.
>>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>>> But
>>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>>Democrats
>>> >> who
>>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were
war
>>> is
>>> >> >second
>>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
>>> >there(
>>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>>fighting
>>> >> or
>>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>>> >> >> I thought so..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
and
>>> the
>>> >> >good
>>> >> >> >of this union.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>>opposing
>>> >> >party
>>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
>>> to
>>> >> >debut
>>> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>>> >> >stories
>>> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>>> >sadistic,
>>> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>>> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down
>to
>>> the
>>> >> >> >pits!!!..
>>> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
>>neo-cons.
>>> >> They
>>> >> >> are
>>> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>>> >> >hearings
>>> >> >> >> should start immediately.!
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>>> >> >liberties
>>> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
>>> >the
>>> >> >> >right
>>> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
>>> of
>>> >> >> >Homeland
>>> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the
>>sham
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> >making
>>> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>>> >Government???
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
>and
>>> >the
>>> >> >> good
>>> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
>>fearful,
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking
away
>>> >> >> >"free-speech,
>>> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
>>But,
>>> >> we
>>> >> >> are
>>> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>>> >> >Lastly,
>>> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet?
Let's
>>> >first
>>> >> >> >ask
>>> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama ..
>That
>>> >> >showed
>>> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>>> >attacked..???
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
>>n
>>> >g
>>> >> >e
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71578 is a reply to message #71454] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 13:55 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Nappy, I hope you get a great donor and it all goes flawlessly!
Mark, best wishes to you and your wife as you face this challenge
together! Your strength will be a big help to her as you research and
choose your best options. From my Mom's experience, always get a second
and even third opinion, the cancer treatment field is changing rapidly
for the better. Be very aware of the possible side effects for all
options, they don't always make that information completely clear.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Nappy wrote:
> Mark,
> I hope all goes well,I know how much your wife means to you.
> Hold on!
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
>
> "Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>> You're hanging tough bro. Excellent! I hope and pray everything goes
>> better than anticipated. Side note: my wife received a phone call today
>
>> following and MRI yesterday for a recent neck injury (totalled one of our
>
>> cars). Doc says he sees cancer on her thyroid gland. Meeting and
>> discussions to be set for Monday of this coming week. Not what I wanna
>
>> hear. She's badly shaken by the news. I'm just kinda stuck emotionally
>
>> until I learn more and we know what we're looking at. At this point, we
>
>> can't both cave in... somebody's gotta hold the line.
>>
>> W.
>>
>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:44e694e9$1@linux...
>>> Dubya,
>>> I've been taking care of myself in hope of being put on the kidney
>>> transplant
>>> list.
>>> It should happen this month! I have a few people interested in giving
> me
>>> a Kidney,
>>> but they have to go though a big exam to see if they are a good match.
>
>>> This
>>> can't
>>> happen until I'm put on the list. If all goes well I could have a
>>> transplant
>>> by
>>> early 2007!
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>>
>>> "Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>>>> NAPPY !!!! He's baaaa-aaaaack!!!!!
>>>> Dubsie
>>>>
>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:44e66252$1@linux...
>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+change
>>>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71582 is a reply to message #71574] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 14:28 |
"jjdpro
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"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>
>At least with the current idiot I never have to turn off the evening news
>in front of my kids because of the DNA and BJs.
>
>;)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Oh No.. This biggest dumb -ass idiot is our current president for sure.
>He's
>>an embarrassment to this nation..
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>The reason I'm so disappointed in Clinton is that during his whole
>>>administration, I was wanting him to do the things he needed to
>>>do........and I watched in fcinated horror as he fucked up again and again..
>>>Even an insignificant, regular old citizen like me could see what needed
>>to
>>>be done and he couldn't????..........and I was right!!!!. It just blows
>>me
>>>away. I wanted to believe that I was missing something and that this Rhoades
>>>scholar superdude/great national hope knew more than I did. Well, he turned
>>>out to be the bitggest dumbass we've ever elected and his oversights brought
>>>us to 911.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e967d0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the
>>>"Kool-Aid"
>>>> that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>>> Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric,
>>let
>>>> me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called
>>>liberals
>>>> would not fight??
>>>>
>>>> To decent is not American?
>>>> Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
>>well
>>>> before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell
to
>>the
>>>> US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>>>
>>>> The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>>WW3
>>>> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
>>>popular
>>>> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>>>engagements
>>>> haven't worked out..
>>>>
>>>> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
>is
>>>way
>>>> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>>middle-east
>>>> occupation.....
>>>>
>>>> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
>>>recruiting
>>>> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
>>>Americans
>>>> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy
in
>>the
>>>> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
>>>> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So,
where
>>>> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>>
>>>> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American
Armed
>>>> forces.
>>>> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that
>>thew
>>>> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
>>>that
>>>> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen..
Well,
>>>> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government
has
>>>ever
>>>> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>>>>
>>>> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises
to
>>>them,
>>>> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>>>>
>>>> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
>>>Liberal(ism)
>>>> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
>>is
>>>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>>>what
>>>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>>>
>>>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>>east?
>>>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>>>permanant
>>>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
>nuke
>>>> the entire region???
>>>>
>>>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
>WW2
>>>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>> stand..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>>>> >
>>>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>>>> >
>>>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>>to
>>>> >fight.
>>>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>>> >change
>>>> >> here."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
>>the
>>>> >present
>>>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>>>> >liberties,freedom
>>>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
>>it
>>>> >completely?
>>>> >
>>>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
>>i
>>>this
>>>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
>>soo
>>>> >un-beliveable
>>>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>>>> >laughable.
>>>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>>>fear
>>>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>>>> >
>>>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>>>thought
>>>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach
>for
>>>> war
>>>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>>>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one
>of
>>>the
>>>> >few things I like about him.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>>>says
>>>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
>that
>>>> >"sham"
>>>> >> Iraq war.
>>>> >
>>>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>>>going
>>>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for
this
>>>> sham
>>>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>>>take
>>>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what
poor
>>>> >folks
>>>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush
for
>>>> >weasling
>>>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
>>if
>>>> I'd
>>>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>>>> >> LAD
>>>> >
>>>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good
>in
>>>the
>>>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>>>it.
>>>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war
that
>>>> has
>>>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay
>for
>>>> it.
>>>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>>>slick
>>>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>>>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>>>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>>>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there
>are
>>>> some
>>>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There
were
>>>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters
>who
>>>> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia
were
>>>> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep
>us
>>up
>>>> to
>>>> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
>>>> >
>>>> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and
>>>create
>>>> >a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect
this
>>>> >country?
>>>> >
>>>> >Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting
>a
>>new
>>>> >policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
>>>> >anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration
>>due
>>>> to
>>>> >their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks
in
>>the
>>>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
>>and
>>>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
>>good
>>>> in
>>>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
>>time
>>>> he
>>>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
>>we
>>>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>>>off
>>>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>>>turning
>>>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>>>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them
>oil
>>>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>>>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
>>the
>>>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
>>of
>>>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are
now.
>>>> This
>>>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>>>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>>>> >
>>>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
>>him
>>>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>>>after
>>>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>>>Laden
>>>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>>>> with
>>>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>>>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>>>between
>>>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>>>them
>>>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>>>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly
by
>>an
>>>> >idiot like Clinton.
>>>> >
>>>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>>>> used
>>>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the
>same
>>>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>>>> war
>>>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no
WMD,
>>>> even
>>>> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the
early
>>>> >1990's.
>>>> >
>>>> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my
>>mind
>>>> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend
>>to
>>>> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
>>>reconcile
>>>> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>>>> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by
>>the
>>>> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>>>> >
>>>> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is,
>>is
>>>> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
>>>sanctions
>>>> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone
>think
>>>> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
>>>since
>>>> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
>>>Iran?
>>>> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
>>>major
>>>> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would
>>be
>>>> a
>>>> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran
going
>>>> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with
>great
>>>> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
>>>not
>>>> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>>>> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
>>>> >
>>>> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
>>>facists,
>>>> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
>>>totally
>>>> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>>>> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for
>him
>>>> too)
>>>> >
>>>> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that
>>the
>>>> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>>>> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>>>> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
>>>balance
>>>> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security
in
>>>many
>>>> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>>>> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
>>>another
>>>> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions
>>in
>>>> >Iraq.
>>>> >
>>>> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle
>>in
>>>> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can
>>we?
>>>> The
>>>> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
>>>abrogated
>>>> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by
>>not
>>>> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist
>and
>>>> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
>>>and
>>>> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>>>> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>>>> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure
>>of
>>>> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>>>> >
>>>> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>>>> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con,
>>be
>>>> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control
>>and
>>>> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality
>>that
>>>> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
>>>warming
>>>> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going
>>to
>>>> be
>>>> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights,
hate
>>>> war,
>>>> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe
>in
>>>> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but
>>I
>>>> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>>>> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
>>>believe
>>>> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
>>>sects
>>>> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>>>> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights
>>as
>>>> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
>>>better
>>>> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>>>> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue
and
>>>> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
>>>> to
>>>> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>>>> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going
>>to
>>>> go
>>>> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
>>>> I
>>>> >think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to
>>>diffuse
>>>> >the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I
firmly
>>>> >believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
>>>> >they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary
when
>>>> you
>>>> >look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
>>>> >events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of
>>>Revelations
>>>> >and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
>>>> and
>>>> >wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
>>>> >
>>>> >I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
>>>> to
>>>> >the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are
>>>brought
>>>> >to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
>>>> >terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
>>>> >weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to
>>>fester
>>>> >and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the
>>>leftist/liberal
>>>> >agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you
>>pay
>>>> >much attention to the real agenda.
>>>> >
>>>> >There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's
>>>convenient
>>>> >for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically,
>>to
>>>> >take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then
it's
>>>> not
>>>> >part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares
>>me
>>>> >about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
>>>> >confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for
>>>freedom
>>>> >of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make
right
>>>> now
>>>> >and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to
>>>debate,
>>>> >rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
>>>> >facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly.
>>>the
>>>> >freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
>>>> >willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous
>and
>>>> can
>>>> >bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will
>>not
>>>> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>>>> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
>>>makes
>>>> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure
to
>>>> >confront it can bring about a world war.
>>>> >
>>>> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the
>real
>>>> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down
>in
>>a
>>>> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>>>> >
>>>> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>>>> >
>>>> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>>>> >
>>>> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>>>> >
>>>> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>>>> >
>>>> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>>>> >
>>>> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>>>> >
>>>> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>>>> >
>>>> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>>>> >
>>>> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>>>> >death.
>>>> >
>>>> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>>>> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury
>>of
>>>> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
>>>country
>>>> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage
>>an
>>>> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>>>> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>>>> >
>>>> >Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >DJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought
>>long
>>>> >and
>>>> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could
>>do
>>>> >other
>>>> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
>>>check
>>>> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
>>>have
>>>> >> any
>>>> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and
>I'm
>>>> >deadly
>>>> >> >accurate.
>>>> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used
>>up
>>>> so
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
>>>battlefield
>>>> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>>>problem
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army
was
>>>> >called
>>>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>>to
>>>> >fight.
>>>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a
regime
>>>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to
>them
>>>> >than
>>>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the
left
>>>> to
>>>> >> do
>>>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>>>> we
>>>> >> >are the better they like it.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>>>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
>>>wonderful.
>>>> >> >Enjoy.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Regards,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >DJ
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
>>>constitutional
>>>> >> >rights
>>>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>>>mongers,
>>>> >> >who's
>>>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I
>would
>>>> >hope
>>>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against
this
>>>> >> >tierney.
>>>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>>>> But
>>>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>>>Democrats
>>>> >> who
>>>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were
>war
>>>> is
>>>> >> >second
>>>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold
over
>>>> >there(
>>>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>>>fighting
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>>>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>>>> >> >> I thought so..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
>and
>>>> the
>>>> >> >good
>>>> >> >> >of this union.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>>>opposing
>>>> >> >party
>>>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
>>>> to
>>>> >> >debut
>>>> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>>>> >> >stories
>>>> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>>>> >sadistic,
>>>> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>>>> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down
>>to
>>>> the
>>>> >> >> >pits!!!..
>>>> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
>>>neo-cons.
>>>> >> They
>>>> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>>>> >> >hearings
>>>> >> >> >> should start immediately.!
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>>>> >> >liberties
>>>> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and
police
>>>> >the
>>>> >> >> >right
>>>> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
>>>> of
>>>> >> >> >Homeland
>>>> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under
the
>>>sham
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> >> >making
>>>> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>>>> >Government???
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>>> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>>> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for
me
>>and
>>>> >the
>>>> >> >> good
>>>> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
>>>fearful,
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking
>away
>>>> >> >> >"free-speech,
>>>> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
>>>But,
>>>> >> we
>>>> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>>>> >> >Lastly,
>>>> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet?
>Let's
>>>> >first
>>>> >> >> >ask
>>>> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama ..
>>That
>>>> >> >showed
>>>> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>>>> >attacked..???
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
>>>n
>>>> >g
>>>> >> >e
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>>>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71583 is a reply to message #71574] |
Mon, 21 August 2006 14:37 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Man, these days of TV, discussing BJs and DNA is rather calm TV programming.
have You seen the show Nip-Tuck??
Hey maybe Bush needs a good Blow to relieve some steam ..you know when he
gets frustrated tracking Bin laden...
I know I need one when I'm stressed.. :)
"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>
>At least with the current idiot I never have to turn off the evening news
>in front of my kids because of the DNA and BJs.
>
>;)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Oh No.. This biggest dumb -ass idiot is our current president for sure.
>He's
>>an embarrassment to this nation..
>>
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>The reason I'm so disappointed in Clinton is that during his whole
>>>administration, I was wanting him to do the things he needed to
>>>do........and I watched in fcinated horror as he fucked up again and again..
>>>Even an insignificant, regular old citizen like me could see what needed
>>to
>>>be done and he couldn't????..........and I was right!!!!. It just blows
>>me
>>>away. I wanted to believe that I was missing something and that this Rhoades
>>>scholar superdude/great national hope knew more than I did. Well, he turned
>>>out to be the bitggest dumbass we've ever elected and his oversights brought
>>>us to 911.
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e967d0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Clinton Clinton Clinton.. It seems DJ that you has now swallow the
>>>"Kool-Aid"
>>>> that the Neo-con right has given you.
>>>> Look, liberals are not dumb or stupid. They are real passionate Americans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before I state my rebuttals to your Clinton Clinton Clinton rhetoric,
>>let
>>>> me just say this to your how can Dems be so dumb.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think that if we are attacked , that fellow so-called
>>>liberals
>>>> would not fight??
>>>>
>>>> To decent is not American?
>>>> Look DJ, the Bush(ites) are war mongers. They had their plan is place
>>well
>>>> before they took office. They just need some kind of reason to sell
to
>>the
>>>> US public. 911 and then WMDS..
>>>>
>>>> The problem today is , do we have enough service men available for your
>>>WW3
>>>> war effort? A draft is eminent, But, not exactly politically wise or
>>>popular
>>>> with the way the Iraq thing went. hey can't sell a war if the previous
>>>engagements
>>>> haven't worked out..
>>>>
>>>> So, what will the Bush(ites) do...hummm..Let's see since recruitment
>is
>>>way
>>>> way down(toilet), the US need fresh recruits
>>>> to re-vamp the forces for 1)ground attacks and home-land security, and
>>>middle-east
>>>> occupation.....
>>>>
>>>> Well, the poor & middle class whites are not showing up at the local
>>>recruiting
>>>> centers like they did in post 911...And it seems, that the African
>>>Americans
>>>> don't want any part of these wars what so ever...(hey, they're busy
in
>>the
>>>> prisons)providing big business cheap telemarketing services..(true)..The
>>>> American Hispanics too, have dropped off the recruiting radar.. So,
where
>>>> oh where are they going to get those solders ...Humm
>>>>
>>>> I think the answer lies with our new "Border Crossers" aka, new Americans
>>>> for hire.. And they will make up a good portion of the new American
Armed
>>>> forces.
>>>> Of course to sell them on the idea of joining, they will be told that
>>thew
>>>> will be given full citizenship with out question, enjoy the same rights
>>>that
>>>> all Americans do, and be excepted like any other American citizen..
Well,
>>>> it(assurances) worked for my people for every war the US government
has
>>>ever
>>>> fought while on this continent..So, it should work for our new friends.
>>>>
>>>> Only this time, I hope that our Goverment lives up to it's promises
to
>>>them,
>>>> unlike they did my people and the indigenous people of this country..
>>>>
>>>> Back to your points: (Which we all expelled from Michael Savages's
>>>Liberal(ism)
>>>> is a mental dissorder). That man, is one scared man.. very fearful and
>>is
>>>> a raging lunatic.What's his lines"Borders, Languages, and culture. Man,
>>>what
>>>> a lunatic, however, very entertaining..
>>>>
>>>> Dj, do we agree that the Bush(ites) want permanant bases in the middle
>>>east?
>>>> Okay? Do you think that the people of the middle east will stand for
>>>permanant
>>>> US bases there? Do you think, that we should pull the troops out and
>nuke
>>>> the entire region???
>>>>
>>>> See, the latter (Nuke) is what the Dems has done. Your so called Prsident
>>>> and any other Republican love war for war sake.. The Dems, ended the
>WW2
>>>> (in the PAcific)..BOooooommmmm. Weak, are they..??? I'll let that record
>>>> stand..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >LaMont (sigh..............)
>>>> >
>>>> >I've got a few thoughts below:
>>>> >
>>>> >"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>>to
>>>> >fight.
>>>> >> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>>>> >change
>>>> >> here."
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka
>>the
>>>> >present
>>>> >> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
>>>> >liberties,freedom
>>>> >> under the guise of democracy.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing
>>it
>>>> >completely?
>>>> >
>>>> >> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe
>>i
>>>this
>>>> >> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's
>>soo
>>>> >un-beliveable
>>>> >> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
>>>> >laughable.
>>>> >> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States
>>>fear
>>>> >> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
>>>> >
>>>> >Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he
>>>thought
>>>> >he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach
>for
>>>> war
>>>> >and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
>>>> >Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one
>of
>>>the
>>>> >few things I like about him.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>>>says
>>>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or
>that
>>>> >"sham"
>>>> >> Iraq war.
>>>> >
>>>> >The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>>>going
>>>> >strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for
this
>>>> sham
>>>> >> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never
>>>take
>>>> >> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what
poor
>>>> >folks
>>>> >> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush
for
>>>> >weasling
>>>> >> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm
>>if
>>>> I'd
>>>> >> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
>>>> >> LAD
>>>> >
>>>> >Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good
>in
>>>the
>>>> >world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know
>>>it.
>>>> >Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war
that
>>>> has
>>>> >caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay
>for
>>>> it.
>>>> >Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect
>>>slick
>>>> >Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
>>>> >sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
>>>> >The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
>>>> >poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there
>are
>>>> some
>>>> >incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There
were
>>>> >still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters
>who
>>>> >would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia
were
>>>> >controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep
>us
>>up
>>>> to
>>>> >speed on a rapidly changing world.
>>>> >
>>>> >Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and
>>>create
>>>> >a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect
this
>>>> >country?
>>>> >
>>>> >Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting
>a
>>new
>>>> >policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
>>>> >anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration
>>due
>>>> to
>>>> >their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks
in
>>the
>>>> >middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism
>>and
>>>> >espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and
>>good
>>>> in
>>>> >a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the
>>time
>>>> he
>>>> >left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places
>>we
>>>> >needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts
>>>off
>>>> >about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while
>>>turning
>>>> >a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
>>>> >everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them
>oil
>>>> >under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
>>>> >Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man,
>>the
>>>> >polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind
>>of
>>>> >unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are
now.
>>>> This
>>>> >is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
>>>> >thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
>>>> >
>>>> >Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered
>>him
>>>> >up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia
>>>after
>>>> >18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin
>>>Laden
>>>> >came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along
>>>> with
>>>> >Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
>>>> >Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation
>>>between
>>>> >domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered
>>>them
>>>> >completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
>>>> >apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly
by
>>an
>>>> >idiot like Clinton.
>>>> >
>>>> >The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama
>>>> used
>>>> >for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the
>same
>>>> >intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize
>>>> war
>>>> >on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no
WMD,
>>>> even
>>>> >though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the
early
>>>> >1990's.
>>>> >
>>>> >The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my
>>mind
>>>> >that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend
>>to
>>>> >power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot
>>>reconcile
>>>> >the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
>>>> >Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by
>>the
>>>> >crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
>>>> >
>>>> >Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is,
>>is
>>>> >evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that
>>>sanctions
>>>> >were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone
>think
>>>> >that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be,
>>>since
>>>> >there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like
>>>Iran?
>>>> >If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed
>>>major
>>>> >pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would
>>be
>>>> a
>>>> >great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran
going
>>>> >nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with
>great
>>>> >haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would
>>>not
>>>> >have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
>>>> >wouldn't look good in the polls.
>>>> >
>>>> >Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these
>>>facists,
>>>> >they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while
>>>totally
>>>> >ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
>>>> >administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for
>him
>>>> too)
>>>> >
>>>> >To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that
>>the
>>>> >entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
>>>> >instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
>>>> >secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to
>>>balance
>>>> >the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security
in
>>>many
>>>> >ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
>>>> >excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet
>>>another
>>>> >genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions
>>in
>>>> >Iraq.
>>>> >
>>>> >Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle
>>in
>>>> >Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can
>>we?
>>>> The
>>>> >polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill
>>>abrogated
>>>> >his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by
>>not
>>>> >calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist
>and
>>>> >*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely
>>>and
>>>> >then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
>>>> >happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
>>>> >negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure
>>of
>>>> >leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
>>>> >
>>>> >Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
>>>> >wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con,
>>be
>>>> >advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control
>>and
>>>> >think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality
>>that
>>>> >threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global
>>>warming
>>>> >is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going
>>to
>>>> be
>>>> >too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights,
hate
>>>> war,
>>>> >believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe
>in
>>>> >government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but
>>I
>>>> >think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
>>>> >wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least
>>>believe
>>>> >in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various
>>>sects
>>>> >of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
>>>> >Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights
>>as
>>>> >well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be
>>>better
>>>> >to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
>>>> >certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue
and
>>>> >understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort
>>>> to
>>>> >point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
>>>> >segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going
>>to
>>>> go
>>>> >away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt.
>>>> I
>>>> >think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to
>>>diffuse
>>>> >the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I
firmly
>>>> >believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
>>>> >they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary
when
>>>> you
>>>> >look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
>>>> >events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of
>>>Revelations
>>>> >and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right
>>>> and
>>>> >wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
>>>> >
>>>> >I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid
>>>> to
>>>> >the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are
>>>brought
>>>> >to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
>>>> >terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
>>>> >weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to
>>>fester
>>>> >and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the
>>>leftist/liberal
>>>> >agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you
>>pay
>>>> >much attention to the real agenda.
>>>> >
>>>> >There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's
>>>convenient
>>>> >for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically,
>>to
>>>> >take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then
it's
>>>> not
>>>> >part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares
>>me
>>>> >about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
>>>> >confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for
>>>freedom
>>>> >of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make
right
>>>> now
>>>> >and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to
>>>debate,
>>>> >rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
>>>> >facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly.
>>>the
>>>> >freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
>>>> >willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous
>and
>>>> can
>>>> >bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will
>>not
>>>> >take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
>>>> >When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it
>>>makes
>>>> >me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure
to
>>>> >confront it can bring about a world war.
>>>> >
>>>> >I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the
>real
>>>> >issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down
>in
>>a
>>>> >place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
>>>> >
>>>> >PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
>>>> >
>>>> >THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
>>>> >
>>>> >ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
>>>> >
>>>> >UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
>>>> >
>>>> >CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
>>>> >
>>>> >SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
>>>> >
>>>> >LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
>>>> >
>>>> >HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
>>>> >
>>>> >RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
>>>> >death.
>>>> >
>>>> >I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
>>>> >comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury
>>of
>>>> >debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this
>>>country
>>>> >can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage
>>an
>>>> >administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
>>>> >them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
>>>> >
>>>> >Regards,
>>>> >
>>>> >DJ
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought
>>long
>>>> >and
>>>> >> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could
>>do
>>>> >other
>>>> >> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might
>>>check
>>>> >> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't
>>>have
>>>> >> any
>>>> >> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and
>I'm
>>>> >deadly
>>>> >> >accurate.
>>>> >> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used
>>up
>>>> so
>>>> >> I
>>>> >> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of
>>>battlefield
>>>> >> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no
>>>problem
>>>> >> at
>>>> >> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army
was
>>>> >called
>>>> >> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready
>>to
>>>> >fight.
>>>> >> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a
regime
>>>> >> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to
>them
>>>> >than
>>>> >> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the
left
>>>> to
>>>> >> do
>>>> >> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved
>>>> we
>>>> >> >are the better they like it.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
>>>> >> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially
>>>wonderful.
>>>> >> >Enjoy.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >Regards,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >DJ
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our
>>>constitutional
>>>> >> >rights
>>>> >> >> and it's Liberties..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war
>>>mongers,
>>>> >> >who's
>>>> >> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I
>would
>>>> >hope
>>>> >> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against
this
>>>> >> >tierney.
>>>> >> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is)..
>>>> But
>>>> >> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those
>>>Democrats
>>>> >> who
>>>> >> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were
>war
>>>> is
>>>> >> >second
>>>> >> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold
over
>>>> >there(
>>>> >> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop
>>>fighting
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>>>> >> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>>>> >> >> I thought so..
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>>> >> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>>> >> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me
>and
>>>> the
>>>> >> >good
>>>> >> >> >of this union.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the
>>>opposing
>>>> >> >party
>>>> >> >> >stand for Lamont?
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>> >news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument
>>>> to
>>>> >> >debut
>>>> >> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>>>> >> >stories
>>>> >> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
>>>> >sadistic,
>>>> >> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>>>> >> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down
>>to
>>>> the
>>>> >> >> >pits!!!..
>>>> >> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil
>>>neo-cons.
>>>> >> They
>>>> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>>>> >> >hearings
>>>> >> >> >> should start immediately.!
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>>>> >> >liberties
>>>> >> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and
police
>>>> >the
>>>> >> >> >right
>>>> >> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department
>>>> of
>>>> >> >> >Homeland
>>>> >> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under
the
>>>sham
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> >> >making
>>>> >> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
>>>> >Government???
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>>>> >> >terrorist..Why??
>>>> >> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>>>> >> >Goverment.aka
>>>> >> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for
me
>>and
>>>> >the
>>>> >> >> good
>>>> >> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic,
>>>fearful,
>>>> >> >> and
>>>> >> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking
>away
>>>> >> >> >"free-speech,
>>>> >> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!!
>>>But,
>>>> >> we
>>>> >> >> are
>>>> >> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>>>> >> >Lastly,
>>>> >> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet?
>Let's
>>>> >first
>>>> >> >> >ask
>>>> >> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama ..
>>That
>>>> >> >showed
>>>> >> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
>>>> >attacked..???
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+cha
>>>n
>>>> >g
>>>> >> >e
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >Nappy-
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>>>> >> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >Check it out!
>>>> >> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> >-Steve
>>>> >> >> >>
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71610 is a reply to message #71541] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 08:16 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
Messages: 258
Registered: July 2005
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God Bless you and your family, Nappy...!
I Am,
El Miguel
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:44e9dba3$1@linux...
>
> Thanks Mike,
> I feel like your Dad!
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Hey Nappy. Always good to see your name on the NG. Hang in there dude.
>>
>>W, my dad had half his thyroid removed. The doc told him "no golf for the
>>rest of the summer." He was out on the links in three weeks. My
>>friend's
>>aunt just had her entire thyroid removed. As it was causing some pain in
>>her shoulder, she's feeling great --and for unknown reasons (she believes
>>it's due to the lose of the thyroid) she reports feeling much more
>>energetic. Nevertheless, having gone through the problem with my father,
> I
>>know its hard to feel some sense of relief until its over. Take care.
>>MR
>>
>>"Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote in message
>>news:44e6a2b4@linux...
>>> You're hanging tough bro. Excellent! I hope and pray everything goes
>>> better than anticipated. Side note: my wife received a phone call today
>>> following and MRI yesterday for a recent neck injury (totalled one of
> our
>>> cars). Doc says he sees cancer on her thyroid gland. Meeting and
>>> discussions to be set for Monday of this coming week. Not what I wanna
>>> hear. She's badly shaken by the news. I'm just kinda stuck emotionally
>>> until I learn more and we know what we're looking at. At this point,
> we
>>> can't both cave in... somebody's gotta hold the line.
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:44e694e9$1@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Dubya,
>>> > I've been taking care of myself in hope of being put on the kidney
>>> > transplant
>>> > list.
>>> > It should happen this month! I have a few people interested in giving
> me
>>> > a Kidney,
>>> > but they have to go though a big exam to see if they are a good match.
>>> > This
>>> > can't
>>> > happen until I'm put on the list. If all goes well I could have a
>>> > transplant
>>> > by
>>> > early 2007!
>>> >
>>> > respect
>>> > Nappy
>>> >
>>> > "Dubya Mark Wilson" <mark.xspam@avidrecording.com> wrote:
>>> >>NAPPY !!!! He's baaaa-aaaaack!!!!!
>>> >>Dubsie
>>> >>
>>> >>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> >>news:44e66252$1@linux...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+change
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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