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I need 2 more db... [message #86939]

Wed, 20 June 2007 19:15

Neil
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Registered: April 2006

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...RMS... across the mix buss, I mean.

In the metalesque genres I tend to find myself working in most
often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
samples, but really, not too many!
IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!

So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?

Problem is most of the tube ones seem to be Opto... opto's too
slow for this. I hear the Avalon 747's real clean & it's got an
EQ, too, but that's an opto unit - and if my 737 is any
indication, it might not have enough "attitude". Anyone ever
try two 737's linked across a 2-buss? (I only have one, so I
can't try it) how did that work? Anyone using anything they
like that you think might get me where I need to go?

Neil

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		I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Wed, 20 June 2007 19:15
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Deej [4] on Wed, 20 June 2007 21:01
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Wed, 20 June 2007 21:36
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Deej [4] on Wed, 20 June 2007 21:42
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Aaron Allen on Wed, 20 June 2007 22:05
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Wed, 20 June 2007 22:31
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Tom Bruhl on Wed, 20 June 2007 22:34
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Thu, 21 June 2007 09:48
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: TCB on Thu, 21 June 2007 07:57
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: LaMont on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:07
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Deej on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:36
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: neil[1] on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:51
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Deej [4] on Thu, 21 June 2007 11:01
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:54
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: LaMont on Thu, 21 June 2007 11:01
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Deej [4] on Thu, 21 June 2007 16:44
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: EK Sound on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:32
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Thu, 21 June 2007 08:52
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: duncan on Thu, 21 June 2007 10:09
		Re: I need 2 more db... By: Neil on Thu, 21 June 2007 10:06

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