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Need some computer advice. [message #94840]

Thu, 17 January 2008 16:28

emarenot
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Registered: June 2005

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I'm looking at this mobo:
http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=290#

It says that it supports up to 4gb of ram: ddr2 533. Will a mobo rated for
this ram speed run ddr2 667? I'm guessing it will "see" and run the 667,
but only allow it to run at 533 -yes?
Thanks!
MR

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94845 is a reply to message #94840]

Thu, 17 January 2008 20:54

Chris Ludwig

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HI Mike,
if you are using it for a office machine then it will maybe work fine.
as an audio machine I would run away screaming.

If you read the memory report you will that they say it can use up to 4
gigs i.e 2x 2gigs sticks but they have not tested 2 gigs sticks on their
list.
I bet there is a 99% chance they have not tested it with any 2 gigs sticks.

Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.

What are you going to be using the machine for?

Chris

mike r wrote:
> I'm looking at this mobo:
> http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=290#
>
> It says that it supports up to 4gb of ram: ddr2 533. Will a mobo rated for
> this ram speed run ddr2 667? I'm guessing it will "see" and run the 667,
> but only allow it to run at 533 -yes?
> Thanks!
> MR
>

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ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94846 is a reply to message #94845]

Thu, 17 January 2008 22:54

Neil
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Registered: April 2006

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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:

>Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.

I've always found it interesting how different chipsets play
nice with some DAW's & not so well with others... I've had 2
good experiences with VIA chipsets & Cubase, yet I know some
folks here had some rough times with VIA & Paris. I've had
one bad experience with Cubase & SiS chipsets, but Deej and
others are using or have used certain Gigabyate mobo's with the
SiS chipsets with great success.

Weird... so what do the chipsets do or NOT do that makes them
DAW-friendly under certain software circumstances & NOT so DAW-
friendly under others???

Or is it not related to the particular DAW app at all, and it's
more of a driver-related issue?

Neil

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94848 is a reply to message #94846]

Thu, 17 January 2008 22:11

Aaron Allen

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Registered: May 2008

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I rather suspect it's how the PCI bus is handled and/or how RAM is accessed.
I've had great luck with my trusty old SiS Asus A7s333 mobo for years now.
Not too sure I'd try it with a native system, that's an unknown I don't need
to attempt, so I probably never will. The same model mobo has also been
great in use with server 2003. To be honest I've reached a point with DSP &
DSP assisted cards (paris, 0404, pulsar) where the host PC can be just about
anything and still work great, so I'm probably dated on my thinking. As of
late though I've been getting the quad core itch, and a scratching is coming
:)

AA

"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:47903f0e$1@linux...
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>>Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.
>
>
> I've always found it interesting how different chipsets play
> nice with some DAW's & not so well with others... I've had 2
> good experiences with VIA chipsets & Cubase, yet I know some
> folks here had some rough times with VIA & Paris. I've had
> one bad experience with Cubase & SiS chipsets, but Deej and
> others are using or have used certain Gigabyate mobo's with the
> SiS chipsets with great success.
>
> Weird... so what do the chipsets do or NOT do that makes them
> DAW-friendly under certain software circumstances & NOT so DAW-
> friendly under others???
>
> Or is it not related to the particular DAW app at all, and it's
> more of a driver-related issue?
>
> Neil

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94859 is a reply to message #94846]

Fri, 18 January 2008 07:31

Chris Ludwig

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Hi Neil,
DJ's Gigabyte board uses a NVidia Nforce 3 chip set not SiS.

What chip set is used is just the starting point for what will make a
motherboard work well or not. It has more to do with how the motherboard
manufacturer designs their board around that chip that can make it work
well or not.
They all design boards with 3 things in mind business, server and gaming
with the majority of the non-budget desktop board focused on gaming.
Pro audio and video folks are usually just lucky if they make one that
works well and it laid out well for either.

Drivers and Bios design also all can play a big part on how well a
certain motherboard works. Also the choice of 3rd party on board
components will have a big impact on the boards functionality.

Chris

Neil wrote:
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.
>
>
> I've always found it interesting how different chipsets play
> nice with some DAW's & not so well with others... I've had 2
> good experiences with VIA chipsets & Cubase, yet I know some
> folks here had some rough times with VIA & Paris. I've had
> one bad experience with Cubase & SiS chipsets, but Deej and
> others are using or have used certain Gigabyate mobo's with the
> SiS chipsets with great success.
>
> Weird... so what do the chipsets do or NOT do that makes them
> DAW-friendly under certain software circumstances & NOT so DAW-
> friendly under others???
>
> Or is it not related to the particular DAW app at all, and it's
> more of a driver-related issue?
>
> Neil

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ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
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chrisl@adkproaudio.com

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94860 is a reply to message #94859]

Fri, 18 January 2008 09:09

Neil
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Registered: April 2006

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Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:

>Pro audio and video folks are usually just lucky if they make
>one that works well and it laid out well for either.

I got lucky on three I built for DAW applications... (two had
VIA chipsets, I don't recall what my very first Paris rig had);
and got unlucky with one - my 2nd Cubase rig. Got VERY lucky
with an off-the-shelf Gateway (one of the last of the XP boxes
at a local Best Buy that I got on closeout the day before the
Vista machines came out), I figured I could always use it as a
new desktop PC - since mine is probably five years old now -
if it didn't work out as a DAW.

Neil

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94861 is a reply to message #94848]

Fri, 18 January 2008 07:58

Chris Ludwig

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HI Aaron,

Aaron Allen wrote:
> I rather suspect it's how the PCI bus is handled and/or how RAM is accessed.
> I've had great luck with my trusty old SiS Asus A7s333 mobo for years now.

Correct.
That board you have is the only and I mean only SiS chip set based board
that work well for DAWs and it was sadly very short lived.

> Not too sure I'd try it with a native system, that's an unknown I don't need
> to attempt, so I probably never will. The same model mobo has also been
> great in use with server 2003. To be honest I've reached a point with DSP &
> DSP assisted cards (paris, 0404, pulsar) where the host PC can be just about
> anything and still work great, so I'm probably dated on my thinking. As of
> late though I've been getting the quad core itch, and a scratching is coming
> :)

the current Xeon Quad Core e5440 cpu will allow you to run the vast
majority of you native plug ins that are multi-threaded at the lowest
buffer setting of a sound card. Example would be running at the 32k
buffer (0.7ms) on the RME MADI card with all 64 I/O active and assigned
and having 70+ magneto plug ins running on the live inputs with 64
tracks on audio recording and 64 tracks playing back. Of course Cubase
still isn't fully optimized for more than 4 cores yet.

If you set your buffer to 256(6ms in most sounds cards) you will
actually reach the limit of plug ins GUI and/or Cubase's ability to load
plug ins. Which is approx 246 magnetos.

Ever sense the dual core and quad core Intel's came out th only thing
preventing someone from running a system at its lowest latencies for a
project are either poorly written driver of the sound card or DSP card,
poorly written host software or poorly written plug ins.

Of course now both PC and Macs have this ability with the only thing
holding either back are software developers not optimizing there stuff
for multi-core hardware or a few hard makers either not being able to
because of limitation in their product or in their mind set.

Pro Tool user actually get an added bonus in that PT software is
optimized for multi-core and PTLE systems and PT HD systems work quite
well on the 8 core Xeon's hardware. So they get the hardware DSP and the
RTAS native going on full steam.Although they can run far less of the
same plug in in the hardware DSP than they can native. :)

If/when Vista and or 64 bit OS's get sorted out then things will get
even better.

Chris

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(859) 635-5762
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chrisl@adkproaudio.com

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Re: Need some computer advice. [message #94942 is a reply to message #94845]

Sat, 19 January 2008 20:44

emarenot
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005

Senior Member

Hey Chris!
Thanks for the response. I'm trying to put together an audio machine to
run Reaper. I was looking at that biostar board, but changed directions
pretty quick. I posted a parts list, as a new post, just a little bit ago.
Its always kind of daunting to build from scratch, but I had pretty good
luck building my Paris rig, so I'm plugging my nose and jumping in!
MR

Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Mike,
>if you are using it for a office machine then it will maybe work fine.
>as an audio machine I would run away screaming.
>
>If you read the memory report you will that they say it can use up to 4

>gigs i.e 2x 2gigs sticks but they have not tested 2 gigs sticks on their

>list.
>I bet there is a 99% chance they have not tested it with any 2 gigs sticks.
>
>Via chipset and poor quality integrated video = death.
>
>What are you going to be using the machine for?
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>mike r wrote:
>> I'm looking at this mobo:
>> http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=290#
>>
>> It says that it supports up to 4gb of ram: ddr2 533. Will a mobo rated
for
>> this ram speed run ddr2 667? I'm guessing it will "see" and run the 667,
>> but only allow it to run at 533 -yes?
>> Thanks!
>> MR
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762

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