Paris is NOT recording [message #100823] |
Thu, 30 October 2008 22:34 |
Yasser Shaaban
Messages: 30 Registered: October 2005
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Hi guys.. I had my Paris Rig all good and running ok.. got a SBS ( Magma
like thing ) installed my 4 EDS-1000 cards.. my system is all translated
into a big physical Patchbay .. so the Paris's (MEC ) modules.. are actually
on the Patchbay .. now I try recording.. the indicator and everything runs
perfectly.. but.. NO RECORDING WHAT SO EVER... any idea why ? I am going
mental.. MORE mental
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [message #100826 is a reply to message #100823] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 01:05 |
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On 2008-10-30 22:34:35 -0700, "Yasser Shaaban"
<yasser_shaaban61@hotmail.com> said:
> Hi guys.. I had my Paris Rig all good and running ok.. got a SBS ( Magma
> like thing ) installed my 4 EDS-1000 cards.. my system is all translated
> into a big physical Patchbay .. so the Paris's (MEC ) modules.. are actually
> on the Patchbay .. now I try recording.. the indicator and everything runs
> perfectly.. but.. NO RECORDING WHAT SO EVER... any idea why ? I am going
> mental.. MORE mental
Heya Yasser... hmmmmm. You have the meters on the channel strips moving
- but no audio is getting laid down on the edit screen or showing up in
the Audio Bin, is that what it is?
K - I Googled the SBS chassis but don't have specifics. What kind of
power supply is it? Enough to feed four EDS?
- Kerry
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording ( Responding to Kerry's ) [message #100867 is a reply to message #100863] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 16:48 |
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On 2008-10-31 17:20:17 -0700, "Yasser Shaaban"
<yasser_shaaban61@hotmail.com> said:
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> Hi Kerry
> Ummmm.. sometimes .. when fiddelling about with the interenal Paris's
> ( virtual ) Patchbay .. I get a signal only on the right channel of the 2
> master channels of submix-1 .. and also on some of the channels on the submix
> itself .. always in a sequence of 4.. like 1-5-9-13, 2-6-10-14-, 3-7-11-15
> or 4-8-12-16 if tha makes any sense., but still no recording.. the record
> function is ok.. It's running and all.. but no signal is getting in... and..
> if even there is... there's no recording I tried switching the EDS.s ..
> still nothing ..
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> Hummm.. very interesting about the SBS's power supply.. it's APS ( Autec
> Power System ) and it's 339 watts.. I only have the 4 EDS.s in there..
> and of course the SBS's card
>
> Cheers :)
Doh, I only found one reference to "SBS" chassis in the webnews (more
might float up when the NG finally makes it into a "content searchable"
form):
> I sold a few in the past and never had any come back, but they were not to
> Paris users. I believe Deej had some problems with his???
>
> "Dimitrios" <xxx@xxx.gr> wrote:
> >
> >Is cable for that a standard scsi cable that can be found more easy than
> Magma
> >cable ?
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenetNOSPAM.gr> wrote:
> >>
> >>Is this a reliable solution compared to Magma ?
> >>Regards,
> >>Dimitrios
> >
http://news.parisnewsgroup.com/cgi-bin/dnewsweb?cmd=article& amp;group=IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS&item=206767&utag=
I
get the impression that you're breaking new ground there. Keep us posted!
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100869 is a reply to message #100864] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 18:14 |
Yasser Shaaban
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Hi Rob
At my studio .. we have created a bigger Patchaby ( a physical one
) to connect all the gear .. ( outboards .. media recording, signal processors,
effects including the Paris's MEC 6 modules .. 2 A8iT-24.s , 2 A8oT-24.s
ADAT module and a sync card :(((( )
I am working with collected components COMP ( Abit A8V 3rd Eye
MOBO , Athlon AMD +3500 processor, 1 G Ram , 3 internal HD.s Seagate IDE.s
varrying in capacities, and a GLYPH. Paris Trip.. that has 3 SCSI drives
1 Cheetah 9 G and 2 Barracuda.s 18 and 9 G.s
Working the Paris on a partition with Win XP ( no service packs )
Also attachted to this machine .. a Digidesign 002 Rack ..which
is also translated into the Patchbay and working beautifully.. except of
course of the "usual digi bugs ) which is running on a different partition
with Win XP SP2
"Rob_A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>Yasser, could you clarify a few things.
>
>>my system is all translated
>> into a big physical Patchbay .. so the Paris's (MEC ) modules.. are
>> actually
>> on the Patchbay
>
>So you are saying that you see all the modules of all 4 MECs in your paris
>patchbay, correct?
>
>>now I try recording.. the indicator and everything runs
>> perfectly.. but.. NO RECORDING WHAT SO EVER... any idea why ?
>
>So you see the meters moving in the mixer / master mixer window but nothing
>is recorded in the wave editor window, correct?
>
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Re: Paris is NOT recording ( Responding to Kerry's ) [message #100870 is a reply to message #100863] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 16:57 |
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> Hummm.. very interesting about the SBS's power supply.. it's APS ( Autec
> Power System ) and it's 339 watts.. I only have the 4 EDS.s in there..
> and of course the SBS's card
>
> Cheers :)
Long shot here - is that a standard PSU? If so, have you got a more
powerful one kicking around that you could throw in there and try?
I don't want to advocate going out and buying a PSU on my mere
suspicion (I'm newly returned to PARIS after a many-year absence so my
"PARIS instincts" may be totally bogus). I'd like to try configuration
solutions first, but if you had one around I'd definitely give it a try.
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording ...C-16 problem .. could it be it ? [message #100877 is a reply to message #100875] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 18:32 |
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On 2008-10-31 18:43:35 -0700, "Yasser Shaaban"
<yasser_shaaban61@hotmail.com> said:
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> Well It IS playing back faultlessly.. everything can be applied.. edited
> . plugins are all working.. it's JUST the recording feature that's not..
> as if it's an easy thing not to.. which is so strange .. why is everything
> working but NOT the recording AHHHHHHH.. my C-16 also suddenly stopped
> responding.. none of the leds of the channels is working.. and ALSO ON IT
> THE RECORDING IS NOT WORKING.. happened after a spark.. switched cards ...
> nothing... sent it to a friend who's a geek.. tested it.. he said I cant
> see anything wrong with it.. pouting his lips.. and it's not working since
> . TOO MANY FACTORS HERE ???
Yep, too many factors. It's "simplify" time. First: get an EDS working
in the PC itself, without the SBS. Test out the cards, let's
troubleshoot from there.
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording PS UNIT ( Responding to Kerry's ) [message #100879 is a reply to message #100874] |
Fri, 31 October 2008 19:07 |
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On 2008-10-31 18:26:56 -0700, "Yasser Shaaban"
<yasser_shaaban61@hotmail.com> said:
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> Kerry .. I once burnt that powersupply and got it fixed.. but it's working
> . humm could there be a thing here? I looked online for it when i fried
> it .. and couldent find a similar one at all.. in the whole wide.. wild
> . world.. let alone in Egypt ;-( where I am from.. and is.. am there
> . lol
You want my honest opinion? :D
The SBS hasn't accumulated a string of endorsements from the PARIS
community the way the Magma chassis has. Don't know if that's "very few
have tried" or "tried, didn't work, didn't mention it".
Some people are beginning to report successes with the VirtuaVia box,
which is a bargain, but this info should be considered preliminary,
there hasn't been a lot of input on this yet (see the ongoing "Paris on
Intel Mac Pro" thread for more info as it develops).
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording ...C-16 problem .. could it be it ? [message #100904 is a reply to message #100902] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 10:05 |
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On 2008-11-01 09:56:07 -0700, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> said:
> FWIW, I don't think it's your SBS. Pull it and put a single EDS card on the
> motherboard itself. Do this with every EDS card in the same slot on the
> motherboard. Anything change? If not, move to 2 EDS, same thing.
>
> AA
Yep, gmta, that's where I was going too. First we gotta cull out every
unnecessary variable, and nail the baselines.
1) is each and every EDS working?
2) is each and every set of interconnect cables working?
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording ...C-16 problem .. could it be it ? [message #100905 is a reply to message #100904] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 10:08 |
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On 2008-11-01 10:05:29 -0700, KerryGalloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> said:
> On 2008-11-01 09:56:07 -0700, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> said:
>
>> FWIW, I don't think it's your SBS. Pull it and put a single EDS card on the
>> motherboard itself. Do this with every EDS card in the same slot on the
>> motherboard. Anything change? If not, move to 2 EDS, same thing.
>>
>> AA
>
> Yep, gmta, that's where I was going too. First we gotta cull out every
> unnecessary variable, and nail the baselines.
>
> 1) is each and every EDS working?
> 2) is each and every set of interconnect cables working?
>
> - K
PS: Yasser, if you don't get results with the first EDS directly on the
mobo - try each and every MEC (or whatever interface you have) in turn
with that EDS. Make sure you cycle through *their* cables too.
This may sound a bit slow - but it's going to be thorough. You'll know
where it is at the end of this.
- K
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100906 is a reply to message #100869] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 12:31 |
Tom Bruhl
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Hi Yasser,
I can say that I had your exact same symptoms before I was told
to put the second mec attached to the last eds card in the chain.
4 cards Mec A attached to Card A (submix A)
Mec B attached Card D (submix D)
Audio miraculously appeared while recording after the change for me.
Try it if you haven't already and good luck!
Tom
"Yasser Shaaban" <yasser_shaaban61@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:490b9f63@linux...
>
> Hi Rob
> At my studio .. we have created a bigger Patchaby ( a physical one
> ) to connect all the gear .. ( outboards .. media recording, signal
> processors,
> effects including the Paris's MEC 6 modules .. 2 A8iT-24.s , 2
> A8oT-24.s
> ADAT module and a sync card :(((( )
>
> I am working with collected components COMP ( Abit A8V 3rd Eye
> MOBO , Athlon AMD +3500 processor, 1 G Ram , 3 internal HD.s Seagate
> IDE.s
> varrying in capacities, and a GLYPH. Paris Trip.. that has 3 SCSI drives
> 1 Cheetah 9 G and 2 Barracuda.s 18 and 9 G.s
>
> Working the Paris on a partition with Win XP ( no service packs )
>
> Also attachted to this machine .. a Digidesign 002 Rack ..which
> is also translated into the Patchbay and working beautifully.. except of
> course of the "usual digi bugs ) which is running on a different
> partition
> with Win XP SP2
>
>
> "Rob_A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>Yasser, could you clarify a few things.
>>
>>>my system is all translated
>>> into a big physical Patchbay .. so the Paris's (MEC ) modules.. are
>>> actually
>>> on the Patchbay
>>
>>So you are saying that you see all the modules of all 4 MECs in your paris
>
>>patchbay, correct?
>>
>>>now I try recording.. the indicator and everything runs
>>> perfectly.. but.. NO RECORDING WHAT SO EVER... any idea why ?
>>
>>So you see the meters moving in the mixer / master mixer window but
>>nothing
>
>>is recorded in the wave editor window, correct?
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100907 is a reply to message #100906] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 11:32 |
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On 2008-11-01 12:31:19 -0700, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> said:
> Hi Yasser,
>
> I can say that I had your exact same symptoms before I was told
> to put the second mec attached to the last eds card in the chain.
>
> 4 cards Mec A attached to Card A (submix A)
> Mec B attached Card D (submix D)
>
> Audio miraculously appeared while recording after the change for me.
>
> Try it if you haven't already and good luck!
>
> Tom
Oh man, I am *so* Wiki-ing that tip. Thanks Tom!
- Kerry
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100908 is a reply to message #100907] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 22:34 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368 Registered: June 2007
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Kerry,
The bitch is, I bought a 3 card, 2 mec, 4x8 in/out, 1 adat,
3 x C-16 system out of the gate in 1999. $$$ I wanted the ability
to record 32 tracks live. No one at EMU had the answer why
Mec B would go through the motions but never record audio.
It took over a year to find out why. It sure isn't in the manual even
after 3.0 as I recall.
Piss me off.
I'm better now.
Tom
"KerryGalloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:490ca4ec@linux...
> On 2008-11-01 12:31:19 -0700, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> said:
>
>> Hi Yasser,
>>
>> I can say that I had your exact same symptoms before I was told
>> to put the second mec attached to the last eds card in the chain.
>>
>> 4 cards Mec A attached to Card A (submix A)
>> Mec B attached Card D (submix D)
>>
>> Audio miraculously appeared while recording after the change for me.
>>
>> Try it if you haven't already and good luck!
>>
>> Tom
>
> Oh man, I am *so* Wiki-ing that tip. Thanks Tom!
>
> - Kerry
>
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100910 is a reply to message #100908] |
Sun, 02 November 2008 02:10 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988 Registered: May 2008
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I was once told by a rather knowledgable and trustable dude with inside ties
that when Paris was originally designed anything past a 1 EDS setup was
basically an afterthought. (My personal thoughts on this are that this is
why the card to card sync cables are on the daughterboard, not the main PCI
card). Once Ensoniq was gone, and Emu came into the picture even less was
really known about the product. When the whole Emu/Creative thing came into
play, most of the original (if not all) teams to design and understand had
been either fired or left employ, and many data sheets mysteriously
disappeared. It's quite conceivable that they just didn't know how to handle
the first/last card issue.
AA
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:490d3193$1@linux...
> Kerry,
> The bitch is, I bought a 3 card, 2 mec, 4x8 in/out, 1 adat,
> 3 x C-16 system out of the gate in 1999. $$$ I wanted the ability
> to record 32 tracks live. No one at EMU had the answer why
> Mec B would go through the motions but never record audio.
>
> It took over a year to find out why. It sure isn't in the manual even
> after 3.0 as I recall.
> Piss me off.
>
> I'm better now.
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
> "KerryGalloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
> news:490ca4ec@linux...
>> On 2008-11-01 12:31:19 -0700, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> said:
>>
>>> Hi Yasser,
>>>
>>> I can say that I had your exact same symptoms before I was told
>>> to put the second mec attached to the last eds card in the chain.
>>>
>>> 4 cards Mec A attached to Card A (submix A)
>>> Mec B attached Card D (submix D)
>>>
>>> Audio miraculously appeared while recording after the change for me.
>>>
>>> Try it if you haven't already and good luck!
>>>
>>> Tom
>>
>> Oh man, I am *so* Wiki-ing that tip. Thanks Tom!
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>
>
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Re: Paris is NOT recording [ responding to "Rob_A"] [message #100914 is a reply to message #100910] |
Sun, 02 November 2008 09:33 |
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On 2008-11-02 02:10:07 -0800, "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> said:
> When the whole Emu/Creative thing came into
> play, most of the original (if not all) teams to design and understand had
> been either fired or left employ, and many data sheets mysteriously
> disappeared. It's quite conceivable that they just didn't know how to handle
> the first/last card issue.
>
> AA
Good observation about the daughterboard, that would explain a lot.
As far as disappeared - my experience is that stuff that "disappears"
during corporate transitions can suddenly and miraculously "reappear",
sometimes with nobody having any idea at all where it came from. :D
Not hinting at anything, but definitely keeping my ears open.
- Kerry
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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