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Fri, 13 January 2006 08:24   |
TCB
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Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a serious
delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only ones
to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the PSPs.
I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that I could
get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
TCB
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
The
>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
to
>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound great
>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out there.
>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>
>thanky,
>
>Deej
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63015 is a reply to message #63014] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 08:34 |
Chris Wargo
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Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
-Chris
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a serious
>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only ones
>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
PSPs.
>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that I
could
>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>
>TCB
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>The
>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>to
>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound great
>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out there.
>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>
>>thanky,
>>
>>Deej
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63019 is a reply to message #63016] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 07:48 |
Deej [1]
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Due to my rather insane routing matrix, when I'm mixing, all panning (tracks
and aux FX) are being done in Paris. This necessitates my using analog gear
for delays on auxes. The PCM 41's look pretty affordable....the 442's look
pretty ridiculously expensive. There are *lots* of Ensoniq DP4's on EBay
these days. This looks like it might be something very useful in my
particular situation.
Last night, after mixing one song, it too me about 30 minutes to catalog the
settings I was using on all of the my analog gear I had patched in to the
mix once I got it right.....but it sure did do a nice job of things.
If I could usePSP, or other native plugins on the Paris auxes, I'd do it in
a heartbeat. Do you think this might be possible using Wormhole from a
separate computer? I've got my old Cubase DAW mobo/CPU and 2G RAM sitting
around here
I know there would be a little latency, but on an ux effect, I'm
wondering.......
What do you think?
Deej
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
> >multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
> The
> >Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
> to
> >the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
great
> >with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
> >MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
> >about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
> >good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
> >difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
there.
> >I'm a newbie at this stuff.
> >
> >thanky,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> 42 is a little smoother sound with more high-end and some additional
programming
> flexibility. I like both units. The PSP plugs do get fairly close.
>
> Lately I have been putting ColorTone Pro in the feedback loop of the built
> in echo plug in DP (Any clean echo plug will do). Using "Spaceytape" , an
> impulse from the Roland, you can get a dead-on emulation of tape-based
echo.
> With a "41" impulse, it gets very close to the 41.
> g
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63020 is a reply to message #63015] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 09:06 |
John Macy
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I love the PSP's, too. I also have a TC D2 in my standard mix setup on an
external aux. Also usually a Paris delay on an aux.
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
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>-Chris
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a serious
>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only ones
>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
>PSPs.
>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that I
>could
>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>
>>TCB
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>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>>The
>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>>to
>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
great
>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
there.
>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>
>>>thanky,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63021 is a reply to message #63015] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 09:09 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics. Every
now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track through
my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape delays.
#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is mostly
about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only because
I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of the
time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space Echo
is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear a ducked
stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream, "Ack,
barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986! Turn
that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great delay
is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats. Check
out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm talking
about.
What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it kills
on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when vanilla,
like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained. Delay
time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd meters
if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has a switchable
filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied to the
whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop. Then,
be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can take
modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop follower?
You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this delay
in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other "comrade"
today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make things
dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and this
should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up the
feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set a high
pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in the
loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what amounts
to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a filter.
All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host synced
delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
TCB
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>
>-Chris
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a serious
>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only ones
>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
>PSPs.
>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that I
>could
>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>>The
>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>>to
>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
great
>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
there.
>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>
>>>thanky,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63022 is a reply to message #63019] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 09:15 |
gene lennon
Messages: 565
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"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Due to my rather insane routing matrix, when I'm mixing, all panning (tracks
>and aux FX) are being done in Paris. This necessitates my using analog gear
>for delays on auxes. The PCM 41's look pretty affordable....the 442's look
>pretty ridiculously expensive. There are *lots* of Ensoniq DP4's on EBay
>these days. This looks like it might be something very useful in my
>particular situation.
>
>Last night, after mixing one song, it too me about 30 minutes to catalog
the
>settings I was using on all of the my analog gear I had patched in to the
>mix once I got it right.....but it sure did do a nice job of things.
>
>If I could usePSP, or other native plugins on the Paris auxes, I'd do it
in
>a heartbeat. Do you think this might be possible using Wormhole from a
>separate computer? I've got my old Cubase DAW mobo/CPU and 2G RAM sitting
>around here
>
>I know there would be a little latency, but on an ux effect, I'm
>wondering.......
>
>What do you think?
>
>Deej
>
I did it all the time in my previous setup, but I used ADAT optical as my
interface. It adds very little additional latency or CPU strain, unlike WormHole.
You can try WormHole for free.
G
PS Can you take a sysex dump of some of your hardware effects? This saves
a lot of documentation time for me – Or using program changes in my sequencer.
(I know this wont help with the non-MIDI stuff, but documentation is so ‘Old
School”:-)
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63025 is a reply to message #63021] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 09:28 |
Chris Wargo
Messages: 45
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Thad, I don't quite understand what you mean here:
"Then, be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that
can take modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
follower?"
Could you explain more? Mind, you, I am a very vanilla guy when it comes
to delays. That why I was asking. I generally use any old host-app delay
for clean stuff, and my rack mount DOD R-880 analog for dirtier, darker,
vibier stuff. I too used to own a vintage tube echoplex, but couldn't justify
the clunkiness and hassle for what I was getting.
-Chris
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics. Every
>now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track through
>my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape delays.
>#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is mostly
>about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only because
>I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of the
>time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space
Echo
>is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
>
>Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear a ducked
>stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream, "Ack,
>barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986!
Turn
>that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great
delay
>is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats. Check
>out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm
talking
>about.
>
>What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it kills
>on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when vanilla,
>like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained. Delay
>time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd meters
>if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has a switchable
>filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied to
the
>whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop. Then,
>be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can
take
>modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop follower?
>You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this delay
>in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other "comrade"
>today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make things
>dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and this
>should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up the
>feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set a
high
>pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in the
>loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what amounts
>to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a filter.
>All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host synced
>delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
>
>That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
>
>TCB
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>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a serious
>>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
>>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only ones
>>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
>>PSPs.
>>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that
I
>>could
>>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>>>The
>>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>>>to
>>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
>great
>>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
>there.
>>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>>
>>>>thanky,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63027 is a reply to message #63019] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 08:30 |
rick
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digi cam em, then store the photos as web ready jpegs.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 08:48:45 -0700, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Due to my rather insane routing matrix, when I'm mixing, all panning (tracks
>and aux FX) are being done in Paris. This necessitates my using analog gear
>for delays on auxes. The PCM 41's look pretty affordable....the 442's look
>pretty ridiculously expensive. There are *lots* of Ensoniq DP4's on EBay
>these days. This looks like it might be something very useful in my
>particular situation.
>
>Last night, after mixing one song, it too me about 30 minutes to catalog the
>settings I was using on all of the my analog gear I had patched in to the
>mix once I got it right.....but it sure did do a nice job of things.
>
>If I could usePSP, or other native plugins on the Paris auxes, I'd do it in
>a heartbeat. Do you think this might be possible using Wormhole from a
>separate computer? I've got my old Cubase DAW mobo/CPU and 2G RAM sitting
>around here
>
>I know there would be a little latency, but on an ux effect, I'm
>wondering.......
>
>What do you think?
>
>Deej
>
>"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>news:43c7ca76$1@linux...
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>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>> >multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>> The
>> >Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>> to
>> >the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
>great
>> >with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>> >MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>> >about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>> >good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>> >difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
>there.
>> >I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>> >
>> >thanky,
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> 42 is a little smoother sound with more high-end and some additional
>programming
>> flexibility. I like both units. The PSP plugs do get fairly close.
>>
>> Lately I have been putting ColorTone Pro in the feedback loop of the built
>> in echo plug in DP (Any clean echo plug will do). Using "Spaceytape" , an
>> impulse from the Roland, you can get a dead-on emulation of tape-based
>echo.
>> With a "41" impulse, it gets very close to the 41.
>> g
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63036 is a reply to message #63023] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 13:19 |
John Macy
Messages: 242
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I have a MoFX, too, and use it a lot--I love the momentary buttons for screwing
things up :)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>I've had both the pedal version and the rack mount. I wound up switching
to
>the Moog for live and the native for recording.
>
>Another hardware unit to look at, Deej, though everyone will look at you
>funny and people around here might sniff, is the Electrix MoFX. Easy to
work
>with as tap tempo delays and two in mono might be cool because you'd never
>tap them quite exactly the same tempo.
>
>TCB
>
>"Paul" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>Although they are no longer in production, I've been really happy with
the
>>Line6 Echo pro rack unit. Should be able to find a used one on ebay. Many
>>different delays.
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>>The
>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>>to
>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
great
>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
there.
>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>
>>>thanky,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63040 is a reply to message #63036] |
Fri, 13 January 2006 14:52 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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I just remembered that I have 3 x Alesis Wedge units sitting here that I use
in the FX loops of my HRM 16 headphone remote mixer boxes. These things have
absolutely beautiful reverbs, chorus and delays. I may just check these out
as well...........errrr...........since the4y're free........so to speak.
;o)
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
news:43c80b4b$1@linux...
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> I have a MoFX, too, and use it a lot--I love the momentary buttons for
screwing
> things up :)
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
> >
> >I've had both the pedal version and the rack mount. I wound up switching
> to
> >the Moog for live and the native for recording.
> >
> >Another hardware unit to look at, Deej, though everyone will look at you
> >funny and people around here might sniff, is the Electrix MoFX. Easy to
> work
> >with as tap tempo delays and two in mono might be cool because you'd
never
> >tap them quite exactly the same tempo.
> >
> >TCB
> >
> >"Paul" <pn@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Although they are no longer in production, I've been really happy with
> the
> >>Line6 Echo pro rack unit. Should be able to find a used one on ebay.
Many
> >>different delays.
> >>
> >>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to
soundstage
> >>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
> >>The
> >>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a
reverb
> >>to
> >>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
> great
> >>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
> >>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm
thinking
> >>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a
pretty
> >>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
> >>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
> there.
> >>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
> >>>
> >>>thanky,
> >>>
> >>>Deej
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63069 is a reply to message #63025] |
Sat, 14 January 2006 15:44 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Hey Chris,
The modulation source in the 84 can be either the mulit-shape LFO (like),
the envolope follower, or both. Envelope followers take the strength of the
incoming signal and use it as a mod source. So, for example, delay feedback
could be less for louder signals or filter resonance could be greater on
louder singals. It's a pretty intuitive mod source once you've used it a
bit.
TCB
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>
>Thad, I don't quite understand what you mean here:
>
>"Then, be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that
>can take modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>follower?"
>
>Could you explain more? Mind, you, I am a very vanilla guy when it comes
>to delays. That why I was asking. I generally use any old host-app delay
>for clean stuff, and my rack mount DOD R-880 analog for dirtier, darker,
>vibier stuff. I too used to own a vintage tube echoplex, but couldn't justify
>the clunkiness and hassle for what I was getting.
>
>-Chris
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics. Every
>>now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track through
>>my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape delays.
>>#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is
mostly
>>about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only because
>>I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of the
>>time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space
>Echo
>>is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
>>
>>Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear a
ducked
>>stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream,
"Ack,
>>barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986!
>Turn
>>that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great
>delay
>>is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats. Check
>>out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm
>talking
>>about.
>>
>>What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it kills
>>on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when vanilla,
>>like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained. Delay
>>time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd meters
>>if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has a
switchable
>>filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied to
>the
>>whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop. Then,
>>be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can
>take
>>modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop follower?
>>You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this delay
>>in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other "comrade"
>>today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make things
>>dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and
this
>>should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up the
>>feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set a
>high
>>pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in the
>>loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what amounts
>>to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a filter.
>>All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host synced
>>delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
>>
>>That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>>>
>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a
serious
>>>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs, various
>>>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only
ones
>>>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
>>>PSPs.
>>>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that
>I
>>>could
>>>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to soundstage
>>>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass here.
>>>>The
>>>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a reverb
>>>>to
>>>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
>>great
>>>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old sony
>>>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm thinking
>>>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a pretty
>>>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
>>there.
>>>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>thanky,
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63081 is a reply to message #63069] |
Sat, 14 January 2006 22:45 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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I see PSP have a new plugin called PSP 608 MultiDelay. Have someone tested
it?
Erling
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43c97ec6$1@linux...
>
> Hey Chris,
>
> The modulation source in the 84 can be either the mulit-shape LFO (like),
> the envolope follower, or both. Envelope followers take the strength of
> the
> incoming signal and use it as a mod source. So, for example, delay
> feedback
> could be less for louder signals or filter resonance could be greater on
> louder singals. It's a pretty intuitive mod source once you've used it a
> bit.
>
> TCB
>
> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>
>>Thad, I don't quite understand what you mean here:
>>
>>"Then, be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that
>>can take modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>>follower?"
>>
>>Could you explain more? Mind, you, I am a very vanilla guy when it comes
>>to delays. That why I was asking. I generally use any old host-app delay
>>for clean stuff, and my rack mount DOD R-880 analog for dirtier, darker,
>>vibier stuff. I too used to own a vintage tube echoplex, but couldn't
>>justify
>>the clunkiness and hassle for what I was getting.
>>
>>-Chris
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics.
>>>Every
>>>now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track through
>>>my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape
>>>delays.
>>>#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is
> mostly
>>>about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only because
>>>I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of the
>>>time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space
>>Echo
>>>is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
>>>
>>>Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear a
> ducked
>>>stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream,
> "Ack,
>>>barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986!
>>Turn
>>>that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great
>>delay
>>>is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats. Check
>>>out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm
>>talking
>>>about.
>>>
>>>What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it kills
>>>on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when
>>>vanilla,
>>>like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained. Delay
>>>time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd
>>>meters
>>>if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has a
> switchable
>>>filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied to
>>the
>>>whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop. Then,
>>>be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can
>>take
>>>modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>>>follower?
>>>You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this delay
>>>in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other "comrade"
>>>today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make things
>>>dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and
> this
>>>should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up the
>>>feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set a
>>high
>>>pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in the
>>>loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what
>>>amounts
>>>to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a filter.
>>>All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host
>>>synced
>>>delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
>>>
>>>That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become a
> serious
>>>>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs,
>>>>>various
>>>>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only
> ones
>>>>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and the
>>>>PSPs.
>>>>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that
>>I
>>>>could
>>>>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to
>>>>>>soundstage
>>>>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass
>>>>>>here.
>>>>>The
>>>>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a
>>>>>>reverb
>>>>>to
>>>>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
>>>great
>>>>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old
>>>>>>sony
>>>>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm
>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a
>>>>>>pretty
>>>>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's the
>>>>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are out
>>>there.
>>>>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanky,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63082 is a reply to message #63081] |
Sun, 15 January 2006 00:19 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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Cool delay to be sure, but not much like the PSP84. More of a clean and complex
multi-tap. Very nice though.
TCB
> wrote:
>I see PSP have a new plugin called PSP 608 MultiDelay. Have someone tested
>it?
>
>Erling
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43c97ec6$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> The modulation source in the 84 can be either the mulit-shape LFO (like),
>> the envolope follower, or both. Envelope followers take the strength of
>> the
>> incoming signal and use it as a mod source. So, for example, delay
>> feedback
>> could be less for louder signals or filter resonance could be greater
on
>> louder singals. It's a pretty intuitive mod source once you've used it
a
>> bit.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad, I don't quite understand what you mean here:
>>>
>>>"Then, be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix
that
>>>can take modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>>>follower?"
>>>
>>>Could you explain more? Mind, you, I am a very vanilla guy when it comes
>>>to delays. That why I was asking. I generally use any old host-app delay
>>>for clean stuff, and my rack mount DOD R-880 analog for dirtier, darker,
>>>vibier stuff. I too used to own a vintage tube echoplex, but couldn't
>>>justify
>>>the clunkiness and hassle for what I was getting.
>>>
>>>-Chris
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics.
>>>>Every
>>>>now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track through
>>>>my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape
>>>>delays.
>>>>#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is
>> mostly
>>>>about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only because
>>>>I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of
the
>>>>time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space
>>>Echo
>>>>is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
>>>>
>>>>Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear
a
>> ducked
>>>>stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream,
>> "Ack,
>>>>barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986!
>>>Turn
>>>>that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great
>>>delay
>>>>is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats. Check
>>>>out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm
>>>talking
>>>>about.
>>>>
>>>>What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it kills
>>>>on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when
>>>>vanilla,
>>>>like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained. Delay
>>>>time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd
>>>>meters
>>>>if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has
a
>> switchable
>>>>filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied
to
>>>the
>>>>whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop. Then,
>>>>be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can
>>>take
>>>>modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>>>>follower?
>>>>You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this delay
>>>>in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other "comrade"
>>>>today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make things
>>>>dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and
>> this
>>>>should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up
the
>>>>feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set
a
>>>high
>>>>pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in
the
>>>>loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what
>>>>amounts
>>>>to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a filter.
>>>>All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host
>>>>synced
>>>>delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
>>>>
>>>>That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>-Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become
a
>> serious
>>>>>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs,
>>>>>>various
>>>>>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only
>> ones
>>>>>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and
the
>>>>>PSPs.
>>>>>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that
>>>I
>>>>>could
>>>>>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to
>>>>>>>soundstage
>>>>>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass
>>>>>>>here.
>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a
>>>>>>>reverb
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do sound
>>>>great
>>>>>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old
>>>>>>>sony
>>>>>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm
>>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a
>>>>>>>pretty
>>>>>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's
the
>>>>>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are
out
>>>>there.
>>>>>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thanky,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Delays-what do you guys use? [message #63087 is a reply to message #63082] |
Sun, 15 January 2006 02:29 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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For me, it seems to be the ultimate delay-plugin after testing the demo a
bit.
Haven't tested the PSP84 yet, so I must have some testing with it too before
buying. I see, it's the same price on both.
Erling
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43c9f779$1@linux...
>
> Cool delay to be sure, but not much like the PSP84. More of a clean and
> complex
> multi-tap. Very nice though.
>
> TCB
>
>> wrote:
>>I see PSP have a new plugin called PSP 608 MultiDelay. Have someone tested
>
>>it?
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> skrev i melding news:43c97ec6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Chris,
>>>
>>> The modulation source in the 84 can be either the mulit-shape LFO
>>> (like),
>>> the envolope follower, or both. Envelope followers take the strength of
>
>>> the
>>> incoming signal and use it as a mod source. So, for example, delay
>>> feedback
>>> could be less for louder signals or filter resonance could be greater
> on
>>> louder singals. It's a pretty intuitive mod source once you've used it
> a
>>> bit.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thad, I don't quite understand what you mean here:
>>>>
>>>>"Then, be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix
> that
>>>>can take modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and
>>>>envelop
>>>>follower?"
>>>>
>>>>Could you explain more? Mind, you, I am a very vanilla guy when it
>>>>comes
>>>>to delays. That why I was asking. I generally use any old host-app
>>>>delay
>>>>for clean stuff, and my rack mount DOD R-880 analog for dirtier, darker,
>>>>vibier stuff. I too used to own a vintage tube echoplex, but couldn't
>
>>>>justify
>>>>the clunkiness and hassle for what I was getting.
>>>>
>>>>-Chris
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>#1 is sonics for sure. I'll tolerate a lot of hassle for good sonics.
>
>>>>>Every
>>>>>now and then I still hook up an impedence changer and run a track
>>>>>through
>>>>>my Moog delay which is grittier than a lot of well maintained tape
>>>>>delays.
>>>>>#2 would be the rough category of "usability" which for analog gear is
>>> mostly
>>>>>about how easy it is to patch things in and so forth. That's only
>>>>>because
>>>>>I'm lazy and will not use gear that's difficult to deal with most of
> the
>>>>>time, above-mentioned Moog situations notwithstanding. However, a Space
>>>>Echo
>>>>>is so noisy and so picky that it gets frustrating after a while.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mind you, when I pick a delay I want it to have a sound. When I hear
> a
>>> ducked
>>>>>stereo delay with one side at sixteenths and one at quarters I scream,
>>> "Ack,
>>>>>barf, *&#*@(*! it sounds like a *&#*@#( Larry Carlton record from 1986!
>>>>Turn
>>>>>that #*&(@*(&ing thing off now before I throw something." To me a great
>>>>delay
>>>>>is one that adds to the sound above and beyond just being repeats.
>>>>>Check
>>>>>out a Scientest Wins the World Cup if you want to hear more of what I'm
>>>>talking
>>>>>about.
>>>>>
>>>>>What makes the PSP 84 (the primary one I use) so amazing is that it
>>>>>kills
>>>>>on every category. The delay itself sound "clean but analog" when
>>>>>vanilla,
>>>>>like maybe an Akai rackmount unit that's clean and well maintained.
>>>>>Delay
>>>>>time will sync to the host if you want and can be set to pretty odd
>>>>>meters
>>>>>if you want, so it's not just straight eights and such. Then, it has
> a
>>> switchable
>>>>>filter (hp, bp, lp) that can, oh the simple genius of it, be applied
> to
>>>>the
>>>>>whold signal path, the effected signal path, or the feedback loop.
>>>>>Then,
>>>>>be still my already quickly beating heart, it has a mod matrix that can
>>>>take
>>>>>modulation from a mix of the (mutli-shape) LFO *and* and envelop
>>>>>follower?
>>>>>You're kidding, right? I mean, if the Russians would have had this
>>>>>delay
>>>>>in 1950 we'd be choking down cheap vodka and calling each other
>>>>>"comrade"
>>>>>today, right? But I'm not even done. There's a drive knob to make
>>>>>things
>>>>>dirtier if you want and a usable if unspectacular reverb. Finally, and
>>> this
>>>>>should have appeard earlier, it *acts* like an analog delay. Turn up
> the
>>>>>feedback really high and it builds up noise in the feedback loop. Set
> a
>>>>high
>>>>>pass filter with LFO mod in it and the filter resonance builds up in
> the
>>>>>loop as well. change the filter to LP in real time and you have what
>
>>>>>amounts
>>>>>to a synth sound created by a mod matrix, noise generator, and a
>>>>>filter.
>>>>>All of this and it can also be a very nice simple great sounding host
>
>>>>>synced
>>>>>delay? Damned impressive if you ask me.
>>>>>
>>>>>That answer the question? The Moog is amazing in a guitar rig as well.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thad, what are the characteristics that make or break a delay for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get the PSP Audio delays. If you're as into dub as I am you become
> a
>>> serious
>>>>>>>delay snob. I've owned Echoplexes, Space Echoes, Akai rack analogs,
>
>>>>>>>various
>>>>>>>emulated analogs, no names I saw on Ebay, and a Moog pedal. The only
>>> ones
>>>>>>>to survive are the Moog pedal (for live playing with my guitar) and
> the
>>>>>>PSPs.
>>>>>>>I own the 42 and 84 and wish, oh wish and wish and wish and wish that
>>>>I
>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>get one into my live guitar rig without using a laptop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I've been experimenting with using mono delays on the auxes to
>>>>>>>>soundstage
>>>>>>>>multiple tracks in a mix. I'm really liking what's coming to pass
>
>>>>>>>>here.
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>>>Paris delays work very nicely for this, but if I also am adding a
>
>>>>>>>>reverb
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the aux, I run out of DSP DPQ (thought the l\non-liner verbs do
>>>>>>>>sound
>>>>>great
>>>>>>>>with the mono delays for this purpose. Anyway, I can set up my old
>
>>>>>>>>sony
>>>>>>>>MU-R201 to function as a pair of independent mono delays.and I'm
>>>>>>>>thinking
>>>>>>>>about getting another analog delay. I see the Lexicon 41's FS at a
>
>>>>>>>>pretty
>>>>>>>>good price. I also see the Lexi 42's at a ridiculous price. What's
> the
>>>>>>>>difference in these two boxes and what other good delay boxes are
> out
>>>>>there.
>>>>>>>>I'm a newbie at this stuff.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thanky,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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