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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71467 is a reply to message #71444] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 16:12   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to debut
the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's stories
on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic, neo-conservatives
in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the pits!!!..
It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They are
as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment hearings
should start immediatly.!
And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil liberties
being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the right
to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of Homeland
security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof making
us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the terrorist..Why??
At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us Goverment.aka
Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the good
of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful, and
distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away "free-speech,
and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But, we are
under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies.. Lastly,
most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first ask
the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That showed
every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+change
>
>Nappy-
>
>first of all, it's great to see you again!
>
>second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>Then some months later I read this:
>
>http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>
>Check it out!
>
>-steve
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71477 is a reply to message #71467] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 23:02 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the terrorist..Why??
At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us Goverment.aka
Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the good
of this union.
..........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing party
stand for LaMont?
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>
> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to debut
> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>
> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's stories
> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
neo-conservatives
> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>
> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
pits!!!..
> It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They are
> as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment hearings
> should start immediatly.!
>
> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil liberties
> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
right
> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
Homeland
> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof
making
> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
>
> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the terrorist..Why??
> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us Goverment.aka
> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the good
> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful, and
> distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away
"free-speech,
> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>
> I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But, we are
> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies.. Lastly,
> most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
ask
> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That showed
> every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
>
>
>
> "steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
> >
> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
>
>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+change
> >
> >Nappy-
> >
> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
> >
> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
> >Then some months later I read this:
> >
> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
> >
> >Check it out!
> >
> >-steve
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71479 is a reply to message #71477] |
Sat, 19 August 2006 23:59 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional rights
and it's Liberties..
Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers, who's
only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would hope
any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this tierany.
There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(ites).. But
as we saw with the begining of the mid term primaries, those Democrats who
were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
Evenmore.The thougth of spreading democracy into a region were war is second
nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over there(
Iran, Iraq,Saudi Aurabia, Seria, afganistan,) will Never stop fighting or
give in to so called democracy..Never.
Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
I thoguht so..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the terrorist..Why??
>At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us Goverment.aka
>Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the good
>of this union.
>
>.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing party
>stand for LaMont?
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>
>> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to debut
>> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>>
>> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's stories
>> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
>neo-conservatives
>> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>
>> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
>pits!!!..
>> It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They
are
>> as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment hearings
>> should start immediatly.!
>>
>> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil liberties
>> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
>right
>> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
>Homeland
>> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof
>making
>> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
>>
>> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the terrorist..Why??
>> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us Goverment.aka
>> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
good
>> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful,
and
>> distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away
>"free-speech,
>> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>
>> I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But, we
are
>> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies.. Lastly,
>> most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
>ask
>> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That showed
>> every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
>>
>>
>>
>> "steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>>
>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+change
>> >
>> >Nappy-
>> >
>> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >
>> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >
>> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >
>> >Check it out!
>> >
>> >-steve
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71480 is a reply to message #71467] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 00:00 |
steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005
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"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to debut
>the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
LaMont-
I think it does a very good job of debunking some points which are kinda
shakey, but more importantly, highlighting several points which the writer,
Jim Hoffman, feels are right on the money. His take on it is that the case
for something fishy going on is much stronger if one concentrates on the
strongest points.
-steve
>
>I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's stories
>on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
neo-conservatives
>in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>
>They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the pits!!!..
Just in case you'd like a little more evidence that your belief is correct,
take 55 minutes and check this one out.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=conspiracy+of+silence
It's one of most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
-steve
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71481 is a reply to message #71479] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 00:15 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long and
hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do other
than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. I don't have any
formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm deadly
accurate.
It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purt'near used up so I
don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem at
all if muy son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was called
on to fight, I would support them 100%.
If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to fight.
Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them than
those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left to do
their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved we
are the better they like it.
Here's what you're in for amigo:
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
Enjoy.
Regards,
DJ
"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>
> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
rights
> and it's Liberties..
>
> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
who's
> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would hope
> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
tierany.
> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(ites).. But
> as we saw with the begining of the mid term primaries, those Democrats who
> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>
> Evenmore.The thougth of spreading democracy into a region were war is
second
> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over there(
> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Aurabia, Seria, afganistan,) will Never stop fighting or
> give in to so called democracy..Never.
> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
> I thoguht so..
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
terrorist..Why??
> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
Goverment.aka
> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
good
> >of this union.
> >
> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
party
> >stand for LaMont?
> >
> >"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to
debut
> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
> >>
> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's
stories
> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
> >neo-conservatives
> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
> >>
> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
> >pits!!!..
> >> It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They
> are
> >> as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
hearings
> >> should start immediatly.!
> >>
> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
liberties
> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
> >right
> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
> >Homeland
> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof
> >making
> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
> >>
> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
terrorist..Why??
> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
Goverment.aka
> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
> good
> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful,
> and
> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away
> >"free-speech,
> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
> >>
> >> I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But, we
> are
> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
Lastly,
> >> most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
> >ask
> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
showed
> >> every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chang
e
> >> >
> >> >Nappy-
> >> >
> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
> >> >
> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
> >> >Then some months later I read this:
> >> >
> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
> >> >
> >> >Check it out!
> >> >
> >> >-steve
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71482 is a reply to message #71480] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 00:19 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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They did little to debunking, but rather just disagreed..How is that debunking.
Anybody can just say "Well, I do'nt belive you". Or say,"that's not true"..
That was bogus (typical CIA)dis-crediting tactics at best..
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to debut
>>the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>
>LaMont-
>
>I think it does a very good job of debunking some points which are kinda
>shakey, but more importantly, highlighting several points which the writer,
>Jim Hoffman, feels are right on the money. His take on it is that the case
>for something fishy going on is much stronger if one concentrates on the
>strongest points.
>
>-steve
>
>
>>
>>I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's stories
>>on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
>neo-conservatives
>>in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>
>>They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the pits!!!..
>
>
>Just in case you'd like a little more evidence that your belief is correct,
>take 55 minutes and check this one out.
>
>http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=conspiracy+of+silence
>
>It's one of most disturbing thing I've ever seen.
>
>-steve
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71488 is a reply to message #71481] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 09:12 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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"If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to fight.
Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime change
here."
The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka the present
rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our liberties,freedom
under the guise of democracy.
It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe i this
regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's soo un-beliveable
what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become laughable.
Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States fear
rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That says
that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that "sham"
Iraq war.
What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this sham
of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never take
up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor folks
are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for weasling
out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm if I'd
send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
LAD
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long and
>hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do other
>than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
>with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't have
any
>formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm deadly
>accurate.
>It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used up so
I
>don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
>combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem
at
>all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was called
>on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>
>If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to fight.
>Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them than
>those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left to
do
>their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved we
>are the better they like it.
>
>Here's what you're in for amigo:
> http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>
>The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
>Enjoy.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>
>"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>
>> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
>rights
>> and it's Liberties..
>>
>> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
>who's
>> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would hope
>> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>tierney.
>> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is).. But
>> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those Democrats
who
>> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>
>> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war is
>second
>> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over there(
>> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop fighting
or
>> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> I thought so..
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>terrorist..Why??
>> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>Goverment.aka
>> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
>good
>> >of this union.
>> >
>> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
>party
>> >stand for Lamont?
>> >
>> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to
>debut
>> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>> >>
>> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
>stories
>> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
>> >neoconservatives-conservatives
>> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>> >>
>> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
>> >pits!!!..
>> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons.
They
>> are
>> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>hearings
>> >> should start immediately.!
>> >>
>> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>liberties
>> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
>> >right
>> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
>> >Homeland
>> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the sham
of
>> >making
>> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Government???
>> >>
>> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>terrorist..Why??
>> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>Goverment.aka
>> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
>> good
>> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic, fearful,
>> and
>> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking away
>> >"free-speech,
>> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>> >>
>> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But,
we
>> are
>> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>Lastly,
>> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
>> >ask
>> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
>showed
>> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were attacked..???
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chang
>e
>> >> >
>> >> >Nappy-
>> >> >
>> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >> >
>> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >> >
>> >> >Check it out!
>> >> >
>> >> >-Steve
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71490 is a reply to message #71481] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 09:25 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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"I have actually thought long and hard about going over there myself. If there
was something I could do other than get in the way. and I didn't have a family
to support, I might check
with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. "
DJ, Ae you kidding!! Friend, The Dom himself(Rumsfeld) does not want to be
there!! Rice, Bush, Cheney, all of the Generals have pretty much "abandoned
Ship" or have you not heard??
It's a mess!! We have egg all over our faces in the middle east. We have
"LOST!!!" the both the political and the tactical" war in Iraq and the middle
east..
Then, to add insult to injury, we(with Isreal)fight a 30plus day war to save
face and beat the hezbollahs..Well, again, we lost the political battle and
the Hezbollahs did not fall. Then, there's the on-goining Afganistan battle
where the Taliban is holding it's ground..
So, my "sharp" shooting friend, what good are your skills, if you incounter
a road-side care bomb??
Nothing. ///Stay home, and record. Leave the these propoganda wars to the
war-lords..No need in good patriots like yourself to be wasted like our kids
over in the middle east for such a lousy reason.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long and
>hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do other
>than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
>with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. I don't have
any
>formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm deadly
>accurate.
>It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purt'near used up so
I
>don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
>combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem
at
>all if muy son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was called
>on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>
>If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to fight.
>Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
>change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them than
>those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left to
do
>their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved we
>are the better they like it.
>
>Here's what you're in for amigo:
> http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>
>The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
>Enjoy.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>DJ
>
>
>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>
>> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
>rights
>> and it's Liberties..
>>
>> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
>who's
>> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would hope
>> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
>tierany.
>> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(ites).. But
>> as we saw with the begining of the mid term primaries, those Democrats
who
>> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>
>> Evenmore.The thougth of spreading democracy into a region were war is
>second
>> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over there(
>> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Aurabia, Seria, afganistan,) will Never stop fighting
or
>> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> I thoguht so..
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>terrorist..Why??
>> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>Goverment.aka
>> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
>good
>> >of this union.
>> >
>> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
>party
>> >stand for LaMont?
>> >
>> >"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to
>debut
>> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>> >>
>> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's
>stories
>> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
>> >neo-conservatives
>> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>> >>
>> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
>> >pits!!!..
>> >> It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They
>> are
>> >> as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
>hearings
>> >> should start immediatly.!
>> >>
>> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
>liberties
>> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
>> >right
>> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
>> >Homeland
>> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof
>> >making
>> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
>> >>
>> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
>terrorist..Why??
>> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
>Goverment.aka
>> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
>> good
>> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful,
>> and
>> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away
>> >"free-speech,
>> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>> >>
>> >> I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But,
we
>> are
>> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
>Lastly,
>> >> most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
>> >ask
>> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
>showed
>> >> every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>
>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chang
>e
>> >> >
>> >> >Nappy-
>> >> >
>> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
>> >> >
>> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>> >> >Then some months later I read this:
>> >> >
>> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>> >> >
>> >> >Check it out!
>> >> >
>> >> >-steve
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71491 is a reply to message #71481] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 09:42 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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I'm with DJ on this one Lamont. If we even consider saying we would rather
support the terrorists, they've already won. The only step remaining is to
invite them in to take over - they don't really want your support, or to see
you hate Bush - they just want us gone, done, out of sight, out of mind.
Don't expect the Democratic party to win any friends in the Middle East.
Trying to please everyone to keep from offending anyone never works (the sad
state of the Dem platform) - you just end up without a platform to stand on
and nothing to show for your efforts. The terrorists won't stop until the
US is destroyed. At this point it doesn't matter whether we are Republican,
Democrat, Independent, or whatever - if we fight and fear our own country
and each other more than the terrorists that not only threaten our country,
but many others, we will be overtaken, either politically, militarily, or
economically.
Be careful what you wish for...
Despite the bizarre happenings of the last several years (including
Clinton's era, 9/11, and the Iraq war), I believe in my gut that we've been
protected from something that would make 9/11 look like a fender bender in a
Walmart parking lot - or maybe it's been postponed. Who's doing the
protecting is a matter of belief, and it isn't justification on my part in
any way - it's a serious gut feeling I've had for a long time, and I've only
had a few like this in my lifetime - all were right, but feel free to take
it with a grain of salt. Considering that we seem to be rebelling against
the very notion that our country is in danger from a threat we really would
rather not recognize because we might offend someone (viewing Islamic
extremists with almost apology and sympathy), rather than actually being
concerned about what this growing terrorist movement means, our future as a
country looks rather grim.
I think it is important to be aware that al Quaeda's motivation seems to
have grown far beyond their organization (the UK/plane hijacking plot just
foiled was only loosely tied to al Quaeda). At this point, taking out al
Quaeda would hardly make a dent in the threat.
Just my .02,
Dedric
On 8/20/06 1:15 AM, in article 44e80c10@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long and
> hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do other
> than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
> with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. I don't have any
> formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm deadly
> accurate.
> It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purt'near used up so I
> don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
> combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem at
> all if muy son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was called
> on to fight, I would support them 100%.
>
> If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to fight.
> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
> change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them than
> those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left to do
> their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved we
> are the better they like it.
>
> Here's what you're in for amigo:
> http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
>
> The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
> Enjoy.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> DJ
>
>
>
> "LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
>>
>> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
> rights
>> and it's Liberties..
>>
>> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
> who's
>> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would hope
>> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
> tierany.
>> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(ites).. But
>> as we saw with the begining of the mid term primaries, those Democrats who
>> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
>>
>> Evenmore.The thougth of spreading democracy into a region were war is
> second
>> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over there(
>> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Aurabia, Seria, afganistan,) will Never stop fighting or
>> give in to so called democracy..Never.
>> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
>> I thoguht so..
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> terrorist..Why??
>>> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> Goverment.aka
>>> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
> good
>>> of this union.
>>>
>>> .........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
> party
>>> stand for LaMont?
>>>
>>> "LaMOnt" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e79af9$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to
> debut
>>>> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US govermnet's
> stories
>>>> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry, sadistic,
>>> neo-conservatives
>>>> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
>>>>
>>>> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
>>> pits!!!..
>>>> It's really ashame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons. They
>> are
>>>> as anti american as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
> hearings
>>>> should start immediatly.!
>>>>
>>>> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
> liberties
>>>> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police the
>>> right
>>>> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
>>> Homeland
>>>> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the shamof
>>> making
>>>> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our Goverment???
>>>>
>>>> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> terrorist..Why??
>>>> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> Goverment.aka
>>>> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
>> good
>>>> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, un-patriotic, fearful,
>> and
>>>> distrustful of it's workings.They are threating is taking away
>>> "free-speech,
>>>> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
>>>>
>>>> I love the poeple of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But, we
>> are
>>>> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
> Lastly,
>>>> most americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's first
>>> ask
>>>> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
> showed
>>>> every American how our Goverment would repsond if we were attacked..???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chang
> e
>>>>>
>>>>> Nappy-
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all, it's great to see you again!
>>>>>
>>>>> second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
>>>>> Then some months later I read this:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Check it out!
>>>>>
>>>>> -steve
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71496 is a reply to message #71488] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 11:33 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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LaMont (sigh..............)
I've got a few thoughts below:
"LaMont" <lad@american.com> wrote in message news:44e889dc$1@linux...
>
> "If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
fight.
> Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
change
> here."
>
> The only we should be ready to face is the (Bush-ites) neo-cons aka the
present
> rulers of our government. They are the ones who are taking away our
liberties,freedom
> under the guise of democracy.
>
Did you read any part of the link I posted? If so, are you dismissing it
completely?
> It's really ashame that the 33-36 percent of you who still believe i this
> regime, are still drinking the kool-iad that Tony Snow spills. It's soo
un-beliveable
> what they spew out these days to make their case. Now, it's become
laughable.
> Pretty pathetic that they continue to play the so called "RED-States fear
> rhetoric to get support for thier imperialistic movement.
Nobody wants war. Bin Ladin stated very publicly that the reason he thought
he could win this war was because America no longer had the stomach for war
and that we were weak. He's right, apparently. Just look at the polls.
Clinton would have surrendered by now. Bush, no way, and that's one of the
few things I like about him.
>
> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That says
> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
"sham"
> Iraq war.
The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still going
strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>
> What's even funny is that folkd like yourself willing to die for this sham
> of a cause, when the President himself and other Elites, will never take
> up arms. Nor will their families allow them to. See, that's what poor
folks
> are for. They take up arms for the rich. Hey, I don't blame Bush for
weasling
> out the vietam war..That was a smart thing to do. But, I'd be damm if I'd
> send or give my blessing to my sons for this most un-knoble cause.
> LAD
Hmmm.........well, how about your poster child for all that is good in the
world, Bill Clinton? This argument is lame LaMont and you should know it.
Let's look at how we got here, shall we? We're coming out of a war that has
caused a glitch in the economy and Bush I has to raise taxes to pay for it.
Oher than that, it's roaring because of the Reagan tax cuts. We elect slick
Willie because he talks a good game, there has been an end to the war,
sanctions are in place and the world is in a relatively stable condition.
The Soviet economic system has failed, capitalism is starting to remake
poliotical thinking in China (just as it has in Viet Nam) and there are some
incredible changes and opportunities to be had in the world. There were
still lots of threats and apparatchiks who were basically gangsters who
would sell their mother for money and the nuclear stores in Russia were
controlled by these guys. We needed an intelligence service to keep us up to
speed on a rapidly changing world.
Now what would a *real*leader do? Would he live by opinion polls and create
a personality cult or would he obey his oath of office and protect this
country?
Well, the first thing he does is betray this country by instituting a new
policy at the CIA that severly limited the interaction of the CIA with
anyone who could be considered an embarrassment to the administration due to
their human rights history.That pretty much takes 90% of the folks in the
middle east, China and Russia who might be associated with terrorism and
espionage off the table. Well, this kind of idealism is all fine and good in
a perfect world, but totally unrealistic in the *real* world. By the time he
left office we had lost all of our intelligence assets in the places we
needed them the most.......so throughout his administration, he spouts off
about IRAQ having WMD's and periodically bombs here and there while turning
a blind eye to the French, Russians and UN parasites who are doing
everything possible to ensure that Sadaam can continue to sell them oil
under the table while rearming his military at the expense of the very
Iraqis that the sanctions were meant to protect........but hell man, the
polls said that this was a good thing and so rather than take any kind of
unpopular position, he went with the polls. Well look where we are now. This
is Clinton's doing, not Bush's. Bush just has the balls to do the right
thing and doesn'rt live by the polls.
Also, he botched the opportunity to have Bin Laden when Sudan offered him
up. He did nothing when the Cole was bombed. He withdrew from Somalia after
18 of our soldiers were killed which was one of the main reasons Bin Laden
came to the conclusion that we were weak and would not fight. He, along with
Sen. Dennis DeConcini, Arizona Democrat, blocked the hiring of additional
Arabic translators. Janet Reno's 1995 edicts regarding cooperation between
domestic intelligence agencies essentially hamstrung them and rendered them
completely ineffective. I could go on and on...... A good intelligence
apparatus takes years to build but can be destroyed fairly quickly by an
idiot like Clinton.
The deaths from the sanctions in Iraq was one of the main reasons Osama used
for recruitment and "rationalizing" 911. Clinton was relying on the same
intelligence Bush was. Notice that when Congress was voting to authorize war
on Iraq, Bill Clinton did not state in any way, that there were no WMD, even
though it now turns out that if they were destroyed, it was in the early
1990's.
The democrats are again relying on polls and there is no doubt in my mind
that if Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich and there ilk ascend to
power in the Congress, it will be a disaster because they cannot reconcile
the fact that though 911 was not directly sponsored by Iraq, Iraq under
Sadaam was still a huge part of the picture...........made moreso by the
crappy intelligence apparatus that was the Clinton legacy..
Though there is little evidence Saddam was behind 911, What there is, is
evidence that the sanctions were killing a lot of Iraqis and that sanctions
were going to have to be lifted. Then would we be safe? Does anyone think
that if sanctions were lifted on Saddam (which they would have to be, since
there were no WMD), that Saddam today would not be going nuclear like Iran?
If the lack of WMD was known in 2003, *our allies* would have placed major
pressure to lift sanctions. And if sanctions were lifted, Saddam would be a
great danger. Do you think for one minute that Sadaam, seeing Iran going
nuclear, would not want to go there himself.......again........with great
haste? If the sanctions were properly enforced, a lot of people would not
have died but no one was protesting while people were dying then. It
wouldn't look good in the polls.
Now LaMont, you seem to think that somehow if we just appease these facists,
they will leave us alone and everyone would just be our buddy while totally
ignoring the 8 years of unmitigated disaster that *was* the Clinton
administration. (and don't call me a ****'in neo-con....I voted for him too)
To be a *real* leader Clinton would have immediately recoginzed that the
entire planet was at a crucial place in the history. He could have
instituted a policy of energy independence while we were in a relatively
secure position. It wouldn't have been popular because he wanted to balance
the budget (a fleeting PR move on paper that weakened our security in many
ways). He could have exercised some *real* leadership rather than making
excuses for the Europeans when they were quite willing to allow yet another
genocide in Kosovo while dealing us under the table with the sanctions in
Iraq.
Had we had any decent intelligence, we might not have had the debacle in
Somalia, but oh no.......can't deal with unsavory characters now can we? The
polls wouldn't support this............and finally........Mr. Bill abrogated
his responsibility as a wiorld leader (his great ambition, right) by not
calling the UN to account for ignoring the most inexcusable, racist and
*unhumanitarian* act since the Holacaust by ignoring Rwanda completely and
then offering up a teary eyed *excused* that he didn't know what was
happening. It was his job to know. If he did know, he's criminally
negligent. If he didn't know, he's criminally negligent. This failure of
leadership is inexcusable and smacks of extreme racism..
Yeah.......let's let the liberals run the show again. I can't
wait...........and before you pop off and start calling me a neo-con, be
advised that I'm very much pro choice, in favor of population control and
think that organized religion has created a *rat breeding* mentality that
threatens the very existence of the human race, believe that global warming
is very real and that we need to take action immediately or it's going to be
too late, am a borderline nut case when it comes to animal rights, hate war,
believe that immigration reform should be a humane process, believe in
government funded stem cell research. I'm a bit of a secularist , but I
think it's totally unrealistic to ignore the fact that this is a country
wherein the vast majority of people profess to practice, or at least believe
in some sort of religious philosophy.......the majority being various sects
of Christianity. I also agree that some are extremists (not just the
Christians, IMO) but I also keep in mind that the majority has rights as
well as the minority. It think that given this situation it would be better
to allow free expression of *all* religions and *no religions* within
certain contextual guidelines in an effort to foster open dialogue and
understanding between the religions and atheists/agnostics in an effort to
point out their many similarities in thinking/philosophy rather than
segregating this to the respective religious centers. It's not going to go
away and when segregated away from scrutiny, any idea can become corrupt. I
think if this could happen, the obvious commonalities might tend to diffuse
the agruments of the intolerant *armageddonists*. One thing that I firmly
believe is that if a group of people want something to happen bad enough,
they will find a way to make it happen. This is particularly scary when you
look at the *end of the world cults* who base their perception of world
events on the inveitability of their Biblical interpretation of Revelations
and of the jihadists who .......well......no point in arguing the right and
wrong of this cause ad nauseum. .
I also believe that the left in this country has been criminally stupid to
the point of treason with their anti-war antics and that if they are brought
to power in the next round of elections, they will think that appeasing
terrorism will keep them safe. The terrorists, OTOH, will exploit the
weakensses in our system that the left has created and/or allowed to fester
and will use them against all of us. As I said before, the leftist/liberal
agenda is a total anathema to radical Islam. I really don't think you pay
much attention to the real agenda.
There is so much more to the entire scenario than 9-11, yet it's convenient
for those who want to try to undermine the administration politically, to
take up the mantra that if it doesn't apply directly to 9-11, then it's not
part of the overall problem. It's short-sighted and that's what scares me
about the anti-war faction. They seem to think that if we just don't
confront the jihadinazis, that they will leave us alone. I'm all for freedom
of speech and free debate, but we've got some hard choices to make right now
and I'm in favor of having a country left in which it is possible to debate,
rather than a nazi state. You equate the Bush administration with
facism????.......they are fighting facism amigio. Sometimes it's ugly. the
freedoms we enjoy right now are unbelievable compared to what we were
willing to forego in WWII. The enemy we face is much more dangerous and can
bring the world to an end with just a few bombs. Appeasing them will not
take their finger off the trigger if they get those bombs.
When I see videos of these guys goosestepping through the streets it makes
me wonder how we can forget so quickly how an ideology and failure to
confront it can bring about a world war.
I often wonder how my friends on the left can be so ignorant of the real
issues involved here. I wonder how the following laws would go down in a
place like San Francisco, where pacificm is the philosophy du jour:
PENALTIES imposed by Iran's religious mullahs include:
THEFT: Amputation of hands or feet for persistent offenders.
ADULTERY: Death by stoning.
UNMARRIED SEX: 100 lashes.
CONVERSION TO RELIGION OTHER THAN ISLAM: Death.
SODOMY: Death for adults, 74 lashes for consenting child.
LESBIANISM: 100 lashes, or on the fourth occasion death.
HOMOSEXUAL KISS: 60 lashes.
RUBBING ANOTHER MAN'S THIGHS OR BUTTOCKS: 99 lashes - on 4th occasion,
death.
I would like to be a democrat again. I used to be one and felt pretty
comfortable with the liberal agenda when this country had the luzxxury of
debating these things. These days I wonder how the liberals in this country
can be so blind as dismiss what lies in store for them as they savage an
administration that has the balls to stand up and fight for
them.......something their own leaders are seemingly incapable of doing.
Regards,
DJ
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long
and
> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do
other
> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers battalion*. I don't have
> any
> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
deadly
> >accurate.
> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purtnear used up so
> I
> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem
> at
> >all if my son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
called
> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
> >
> >If the democratic party wins the election, they'd better be ready to
fight.
> >Our enemies aren't going to stop attacking us just because of a regime
> >change here. The politics of the left are much more abhorrent to them
than
> >those of the right. They are, however, quite happy to allow the left to
> do
> >their political infighting for them here. The weaker and less resolved we
> >are the better they like it.
> >
> >Here's what you're in for amigo:
> > http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=54 26
> >
> >The human rights section and the women's section is especially wonderful.
> >Enjoy.
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >DJ
> >
> >
> >
> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e8083f$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hopefully the opposing party, they would stand for our constitutional
> >rights
> >> and it's Liberties..
> >>
> >> Even more, the opposing party would not be thrill seeking war mongers,
> >who's
> >> only agenda is to spread freedom thru out he world (ha hah). I would
hope
> >> any opposing party will grow some balls and speak out against this
> >tierney.
> >> There are just as many Democrats who signed on with the Bush(is).. But
> >> as we saw with the beginning of the mid term primaries, those Democrats
> who
> >> were with the Bush(ites) went down with ship.
> >>
> >> Evenmore.The thought of spreading democracy into a region were war is
> >second
> >> nature for over 10,000 years is laughable at best. Those fold over
there(
> >> Iran, Iraq,Saudi Arabia, Syria, afghanistan,) will Never stop fighting
> or
> >> give in to so called democracy..Never.
> >> Will you send you son or daughter over to fight??
> >> I thought so..
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> >terrorist..Why??
> >> >At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> >Goverment.aka
> >> >Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and the
> >good
> >> >of this union.
> >> >
> >> >.........and if there was an election today, what would the opposing
> >party
> >> >stand for Lamont?
> >> >
> >> >"Lamont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:44e79af9$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Steve, that link you posted does not make a good enough argument to
> >debut
> >> >> the "Loose Change movie (documentary).
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not a conpriracist, but I've never believed the US government
> >stories
> >> >> on 911. IMHO, we are dealing with a some really power hungry,
sadistic,
> >> >neoconservatives-conservatives
> >> >> in the white house and his fellow neo cons.
> >> >>
> >> >> They are evil to the core. And have, dragged this nation down to the
> >> >pits!!!..
> >> >> It's really a shame that we 2 years left with these evil neo-cons.
> They
> >> are
> >> >> as anti American as the as the so-called terrorist. Impeachment
> >hearings
> >> >> should start immediately.!
> >> >>
> >> >> And to think, we let them Impeach Clinton.. Now, with our civil
> >liberties
> >> >> being taken from us, a Patriot act which gives the Gov and police
the
> >> >right
> >> >> to do anything they want. And a phony department names Department of
> >> >Homeland
> >> >> security, which is a weak as 2 minute cornflakes all under the sham
> of
> >> >making
> >> >> us "feel safe"!! Safe from what ?? The terrorist??or our
Government???
> >> >>
> >> >> These days(I'm not kidding) I'll take my chances with the
> >terrorist..Why??
> >> >> At least I know what my enemy stands for. My other enemy (Us
> >Goverment.aka
> >> >> Bush administration) is an enemy that's supposed to be for me and
the
> >> good
> >> >> of this union. Not, to make us feel threaten, unpatriotic, fearful,
> >> and
> >> >> distrustful of it's workings.They are threatening is taking away
> >> >"free-speech,
> >> >> and most importantly, 'A right to decent!~!!" ..
> >> >>
> >> >> I love the people of this Nation. For we are a great people!!! But,
> we
> >> are
> >> >> under the leadership of a wanna be dictator!!and his cronnies..
> >Lastly,
> >> >> most Americans feel 'Less Safe " now than 2002.. Wanna bet? Let's
first
> >> >ask
> >> >> the good folks from New Orleans & Mississippi and Alabama .. That
> >showed
> >> >> every American how our Government would respond if we were
attacked..???
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>
>>>> http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-1272980089639960023& amp;q=loose+chan
g
> >e
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Nappy-
> >> >> >
> >> >> >first of all, it's great to see you again!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >second of all, I was pretty impressed by Loose Change.
> >> >> >Then some months later I read this:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Check it out!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >-Steve
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71499 is a reply to message #71482] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 12:01 |
steve the artguy
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@american.com> wrote:
>
>They did little to debunking, but rather just disagreed..How is that debunking.
>Anybody can just say "Well, I do'nt belive you". Or say,"that's not true"..
>
>That was bogus (typical CIA)dis-crediting tactics at best..
>
>
LaMont--
When things are pointed out that are either factually wrong or misinterpreted,
I call that debunking.
The most important parts of that page were the points where both authors
agreed, reinforcing the conclusions.
It's easy to get lost in the details, and squabble over them, thereby clouding
the overall picture. Discrediting the discovery of a forest by arguing over
the identity of particular trees, so to speak.
And capitalizing on that is, indeed, a favorite CIA-style technique.
-steve (who actually agrees with you, mostly, dammit....!)
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71501 is a reply to message #71496] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 12:16 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That says
>> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
> "sham"
>> Iraq war.
>
> The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still going
> strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over - the
Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we are
now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with what
has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest number
of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the insurgency
of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the hands
of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and thugs
(the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq I
recently talked with).
Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when teaming
with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
American public, not military leaders.
It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism, or hot
coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually understand
and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
compromise every single day.
I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected president in
the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go or
collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning me
into a pessimist. ;-)
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71503 is a reply to message #71501] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 13:28 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when teaming
with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
American public, not military leaders.<
This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole damned
country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
says
> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
> > "sham"
> >> Iraq war.
> >
> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
going
> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>
> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over - the
> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we are
> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with what
> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest number
> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the insurgency
> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the hands
> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and thugs
> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq I
> recently talked with).
>
> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
teaming
> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
> American public, not military leaders.
>
> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism, or
hot
> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually understand
> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
> compromise every single day.
>
> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected president
in
> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass Go
or
> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning me
> into a pessimist. ;-)
>
>
>
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71507 is a reply to message #71490] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 14:33 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:44e88d0b$1@linux...
>
> "I have actually thought long and hard about going over there myself. If
there
> was something I could do other than get in the way. and I didn't have a
family
> to support, I might check
> with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. "
>
> DJ, Ae you kidding!! Friend, The Dom himself(Rumsfeld) does not want to be
> there!! Rice, Bush, Cheney, all of the Generals have pretty much
"abandoned
> Ship" or have you not heard??
>
> It's a mess!! We have egg all over our faces in the middle east. We have
> "LOST!!!" the both the political and the tactical" war in Iraq and the
middle
> east..
>
> Then, to add insult to injury, we(with Isreal)fight a 30plus day war to
save
> face and beat the hezbollahs..Well, again, we lost the political battle
and
> the Hezbollahs did not fall. Then, there's the on-goining Afganistan
battle
> where the Taliban is holding it's ground..
> So, my "sharp" shooting friend, what good are your skills, if you
incounter
> a road-side care bomb??
> Nothing. ///Stay home, and record. Leave the these propoganda wars to the
> war-lords..No need in good patriots like yourself to be wasted like our
kids
> over in the middle east for such a lousy reason.
>
I've been blogging this subject fopr a while. The following thoughts aren't
all originally mine any more than composing music can be all original
anymore, but I do agree with the general direction of them: so as for the
terrorists and why do we need to stand up to them..............
Why did Hitler want to kill people? It is all about power. Osama wants
power. He has money. Plenty of money.Personally, I think Bin Ladin is as
much a punk and a thug as progressives think Bush is and as conseervatives
think Kennedy is. He needs an enemy.Islamofascists are chiefly targeting
the USA because after the cold war was over Russia was no longer a target
for angry young Muslim men led by the Bin Ladens of the world. Basically Bin
Laden and those like him with small armies needed an enemy. Bin Laden was
particularly miffed because the Saudi Arabian family did not meet and greet
him as the celebrity he was becoming through his posturing in Afghanistan.
He was humiliated when the Saud family told him to take a hike - essentially
or actually stripping him of citizenship. Instead Saud turned to the US for
protection as it always had. Bin Laden made it a religious thing -"US
Infidels on Arab land." But actually it was Bin Laden - whose kids played
Nintendo at the time, and who is into genetic engineering - saying 'FU' to
the Saud family. He's a frustrated neo-con, if anything and once the liberal
left in this country weakens it to the point that they hand it up to him on
a silver platter, he can turn around and thank them by slaughtering them in
droves........unless they convert, of course.
The left in this country seems more interested with rationalizing this
behavior than condemning it. If there is a reason for suiciding bombing,
then when that reason goes away, another will arise.If we change policies to
avoid terrorism, it is a slippery slope. For instance, let's say Israel
says - "we do not want terrorism" so here is the piece of land. Then the
next time there is a water dispute or some other dispute, then people will
know that terrorism is the answer. It is interesting how lmany are so
concerned (which they should be) about slippery slopes with the 1st
amendment, but do not understand slippery slopes about caving in to
terrorists.
Does anyone really think that the Islamic terrorists would all of a sudden
become peaceful if only #1 Israel was blown off the map, and #2 foreign
troops were removed from Islamic lands? What a joke. The Muslims have been
fighting forever and they are not going to stop any time soon. Of course,
they use their fighting to get their short term objectives, but they aren't
going to stop fighting until the whole world is under Islamic law. They have
stated this publicly. The back up their threats with actions. If you choose
to disbelieve them you are either an idiot or insane.
If we pulled out of SA during the 90s, and never sent any troops to Iraq or
other middle eastern country, I agree that it is possible that 911 might
have happened to some other country rather than the USA. For example,
instead of killing 3 thousand Americans in the WTC, they might have killed 3
million jews in Israel (with America being next in line). There is no doubt
that appeasment of evil saves lives and $$ in the short term. Look at all
the lives that we saved by not entering WWII at the same time as England.
However, history has proven that in the long term, appeasment is disasterous
in the long term. This is not the kind of world I want to live in.
We are very fortunate that our leaders aren't as short sighted as the
leftist journalsits politicos. The least costly way to deal with evil is to
kick its a** before it has a chance to grow too powerful (ie. get
nukes)..........but yeah........I'm sure some of my leftist leaning
colleagues here are going to try to reverse this to put the black hat on the
US. Just remember it if your appeasement policy succeeds and these guys show
up and don't need you to do their dirty work for them any more.
Regards,
DJ
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-you'vre got to see this [message #71508 is a reply to message #71497] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 15:14 |
Deej [1]
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Steve,
This is pretty horrific and I really don't doubt this. I've seen situations
like this before in my dealings in the private sector. I heard this kind of
thing from a guy I met when I was living in Mexico who was a German soldier
stationed with a bunnch of NATO troops, many of whom were Americans. This
was back in 1977. Besides his obvious and virulent hatred of the black
American servicemen, he was totally and constantly critical of command and
control procedures of the American army. Many of the things described in
this article sound familiar in light of what this guy was talking about so
this kind of FUBAR crap has been happening in the military for
years..............so what's the answer? Are the Democrats going to improve
this situation? Have they ever? Is the answer to just pull up stakes and
leave?
Regards,
DJ
"steve the artguy" <artguy@somethingorother.net> wrote in message
news:44e8b03f$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I hate the idea of war as much as you do. I have actually thought long
and
> >hard about going over there myself. If there was something I could do
other
> >than get in the way. and I didn't have a family to support, I might check
> >with the military to see if there's a *geezers batallion*. I don't have
> any
> >formal military training, but I know how to handle firearms, and I'm
deadly
> >accurate.
> >It would piss off my wife to no end and I'm 56 and 'purt'near used up so
> I
> >don't know how well this old body would handle the rigours of battlefield
> >combat and the heat, but I'll guarantee you that I would have no problem
> at
> >all if muy son or daughter joined a volunteer army and that army was
called
> >on to fight, I would support them 100%.
> >
>
>
> DJ-
>
> Next time you get that feeling, read this:
>
> http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_07_03/article.html
>
> -steve
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| Re: OT:movie on 911-youve got to see this [message #71517 is a reply to message #71503] |
Sun, 20 August 2006 21:46 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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Dj, you rally believe this "If the left can't get Bush at the ballot ox, then
let's get the media allies on board and just take the whole damned country
down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.."
This is not about the left or the tight, dems & reps. you have drank-ed the
kool-aid of the Bush(ites).. Most Republicans have abandoned ship long time
ago and are now willing to stand up and disagree with the President.Callit
Mid-term elections.
One thing is for sure, any other Republican president would not have gone
down this road.. This is a Neo-Con road. This has nothing to do with left
or right. The bush(ites0 have "SCREWED" it's on base party. Can some say
"Boarders"..? Judge Appointments, Taxes , Deficit.. Bush is more Liberal
than our last 2 liberal presidents...Imagine that.?? He keeps spending and
spending with reckless abandonment.
Bush (I love this) is playing both sides of the Ilse as well as Clinton did.
AND , he does not care if he screws those who support him.. All those poor
working folks in the red states, now pay 3.00 bucks at the pump(LOL)..!!
Oh yeah.. Faith based initiatives".. ??(Jeopardy music) ...
No, I'm an conservative Christian.. Most of my family are Conservative Democrats.
In Michigan, that means you are Pro union and proud of it..They Michigan
Dems are not weak, scared. Having Most them like my Dad and uncles have fought
(union) hard battles wars) for better working conditions and fair pay. Some
lives were lost. That kind of spirit can be found in all Northern (Blue Collar)
Blue states... Most of us are hunters and great fishermen. We love our guns..
So, you play that dems & repubs game all you like. But, both whites and non
whites in our neck of the woods can smell a Rat!! and that schicht is coming
from the white house..
No, we have bigger problems to worry about than some played up war form some
imperialistic games. We have our jobs, gas prices, educating our children..than
to bogged down in a stupid so -called war..
You say that's being minded and soft..I say, We are not drinking the kool-aid..
So, if the 33 percent of you get your kicks out of prepping for war, then
be my guess. Go out play war all you want. Stay on the "edge" ... Watch Fox
new network all day and night...By the way: Since the Hezbollah/Israeli war
came to ahead, the networks have cut to a more Pressing story......
They found the Jonbenet Ramsey murderer!!......
Fox news has all hand on deck and a camera man waiting for this kook to get
off the plane!! a few stories about the war. Ohh..I guess, since we were
losing that war, in was not new worthy.
Now, you say...What are the Dems going to.. Well, they can't do much worse
than that last regime..I mean, do i feel safer because Bush is in office???
No.. I feel safe for me and my family because God is still on thrown!! He
is my protector..Every man (boy , girl) has an appointed time to live and
to die. Me and ,ine put our trust in God's hands, not a President(Republican
or Democrat)..
See, those you who are fearful because you've put your hope and faith and
trust in a Man!! Well, Men, will fail you all the time. Those of us who
are believing Christians, should know better to put our hope, faith and trust
in a Man.. That's suicide and stupid!
Even worst,putting your Hope, trust, and faith in a Politician..
are we that stupid ??
Next regime please..
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when teaming
>with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>American public, not military leaders.<
>
>This is exactly what has happened. If the left can't get Bush at the ballot
>box, then let's get the media allies onboard and just take the whole damned
>country down if that's what it takes to pursue the progressive ideology.
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C10E111B.2942%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> On 8/20/06 12:33 PM, in article 44e8aad4@linux, "DJ"
>> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> The Bush(ite)popularity polls show them @ around 33-36 percent. That
>says
>> >> that most of the folks who voted for him does not suppport him or that
>> > "sham"
>> >> Iraq war.
>> >
>> > The *sham Iraq war was started by Sadaam Hussein in 1991 and was still
>going
>> > strong, aided by the UN, French and Russians when Bush took office.
>>
>> And let's also not forget that the Iraq war we went to fight is over -
the
>> Hussein regime is no longer; no WMDs in sight, done. But instead, we
are
>> now playing intervention peace maker to help the Iraq government with
what
>> has turned into a nightmare rather than a transition. The greatest number
>> of deaths from this "war" have happened directly because of the insurgency
>> of terrorists (car bombs, roadside bombs, snipers, etc) - not at the hands
>> of the old Iraqi military or Hussein, but by outsider terrorists and thugs
>> (the words of a couple of different US soldiers just back from Iraq I
>> recently talked with).
>>
>> Or did we suddenly decide to support terrorism just to spite the current
>> administration? Seems like a sad way to decide what you believe in and
>> stand for. Sell out to the least unpopular - just like we did when
>teaming
>> with Ossama against Russia in Afghanistan, except this time it's the
>> American public, not military leaders.
>>
>> It's really easy to blame someone for everything we don't like or can't
>> accept - whether it's finding fault for hurricane Katrina, terrorism,
or
>hot
>> coffee at McDonalds. But it is quite another thing to actually understand
>> and count the cost of the way of life that we all agree to in dark
>> compromise every single day.
>>
>> I guess I won't be surprised if an Islamic extremist is elected president
>in
>> the next 8-12 years.... game over. Go directly to jail. Do not pass
Go
>or
>> collect $200. I'm only partly serious here, but you guys are turning
me
>> into a pessimist. ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>
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