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Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72519 is a reply to message #72511]

Sat, 16 September 2006 18:29

Sarah

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I recall a similar irony, if that's the right word, during the Danish
cartoon flap: Muslim fanatics using violence to protest the implication
that Islam is a violent religion. Is it possible they didn't realize they
were proving the validity of the cartoons? Hard to believe.

Unfortunately, Osama bin Laden and others have much of the Muslim world
convinced that the US is engaged in a war on Islam. Even more
unfortunately, I think for some this actually is an unspoken motive in our
"war on terror."

To paraphrase John Lennon: imagine . . . no religion.

Sigh,

Sarah

"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C131DB49.356D%dterry@keyofd.net...
>I don't want to start another religious or political thread - I just found
> this ironic, at best:
>
> The Pope is under fire from the Islamic community because he quoted a
> Byzantine emperor's ancient writings in a talk rejecting religious
> motivation for violence. The emperor, in obscure writings hundreds of
> year
> old, characterized the teachings of Muhammad (Islam's founder) as "evil
> and
> inhuman" because if it's command to "spread by the sword the faith". The
> Pope made no such characterization - just quoted the old guy, and it isn't
> even clear if he quoted any of the "offensive" text.
>
> As a protest, two Catholic, two Anglican, and one Greek church in the West
> Bank were attacked by Palestinians using guns, firebombs and lighter
> fluid -
> charring the churches and riddling them with bullet holes.
>
> Umm...reality check: 2+2=4. The Earth still circles the Sun. And
> doesn't
> reacting with violence just prove the Emperor's assessment, and then some?
> Yet the press and the Islamic world seem to have missed the irony of this
> response, or at least are reluctant to admit it.
>
> The Pope's comment is getting more press than the fact that violence was
> actually perpetrated when the churches were torched. To note, this was a
> response, not a crime.
>
> Why are we (the world culture) so quick to defend Islam and work so hard
> to
> avoid offending Muslims, regardless of the cost - even if it means
> rewriting
> the definitions of peace and violence? Just something to think about....
>
> Ignorance isn't bliss, it's the last step one takes before falling off of
> a
> cliff.
>
> Back to music...
> Dedric
>

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		OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sat, 16 September 2006 15:48
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Sat, 16 September 2006 16:41
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: justcron on Sat, 16 September 2006 17:52
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Sat, 16 September 2006 18:36
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Martin Harrington on Sat, 16 September 2006 18:14
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Sat, 16 September 2006 18:35
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Martin Harrington on Sun, 17 September 2006 01:51
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Sat, 16 September 2006 18:29
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: DC on Sat, 16 September 2006 19:00
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Sat, 16 September 2006 19:00
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Sun, 17 September 2006 01:58
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 08:19
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Sun, 17 September 2006 13:58
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 15:01
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene lennon on Sat, 16 September 2006 20:09
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: dc[3] on Sat, 16 September 2006 21:15
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene lennon on Sat, 16 September 2006 22:25
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Sat, 16 September 2006 22:35
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene lennon on Sat, 16 September 2006 23:17
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: dc[3] on Sun, 17 September 2006 00:35
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: justcron on Sun, 17 September 2006 07:46
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Sun, 17 September 2006 08:40
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: dc[3] on Sun, 17 September 2006 15:32
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 17:10
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Mon, 18 September 2006 02:41
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: DC on Mon, 18 September 2006 13:41
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 00:07
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: DC on Sun, 17 September 2006 00:41
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Sun, 17 September 2006 18:12
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 20:10
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Sun, 17 September 2006 20:55
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Sun, 17 September 2006 22:14
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Dedric Terry on Sun, 17 September 2006 23:38
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 00:40
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Mon, 18 September 2006 02:35
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: TCB on Mon, 18 September 2006 12:49
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 14:15
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: TCB on Mon, 18 September 2006 15:08
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 17:40
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: TCB on Mon, 18 September 2006 19:05
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 21:20
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: ulfiyya on Mon, 18 September 2006 22:11
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Tue, 19 September 2006 09:31
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: rick on Tue, 19 September 2006 11:00
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Tue, 19 September 2006 11:26
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: rick on Wed, 20 September 2006 02:08
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Wed, 20 September 2006 09:07
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: rick on Wed, 20 September 2006 11:11
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Tue, 19 September 2006 12:36
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Tue, 19 September 2006 13:06
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: rick on Wed, 20 September 2006 02:11
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Mon, 18 September 2006 13:17
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: DC on Mon, 18 September 2006 14:08
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 14:29
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Mon, 18 September 2006 15:05
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: dc[3] on Mon, 18 September 2006 15:49
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Aaron Allen on Mon, 18 September 2006 18:16
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: dc[3] on Mon, 18 September 2006 08:13
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Mon, 18 September 2006 09:26
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: justcron on Mon, 18 September 2006 10:50
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 09:37
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:26
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: justcron on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:40
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:47
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Mon, 18 September 2006 12:50
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Tony Benson on Mon, 18 September 2006 13:30
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 14:17
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Mon, 18 September 2006 15:16
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Mon, 18 September 2006 16:33
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: justcron on Mon, 18 September 2006 16:36
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Mon, 18 September 2006 16:50
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene lennon on Mon, 18 September 2006 21:50
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 17:30
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Mon, 18 September 2006 21:14
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Mon, 18 September 2006 23:22
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Tue, 19 September 2006 10:23
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Tue, 19 September 2006 11:31
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Tue, 19 September 2006 15:32
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Tue, 19 September 2006 16:41
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Tue, 19 September 2006 18:43
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Tue, 19 September 2006 21:11
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: TCB on Tue, 19 September 2006 21:12
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Tue, 19 September 2006 16:49
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Tue, 19 September 2006 18:51
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Tue, 19 September 2006 20:55
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej on Tue, 19 September 2006 22:17
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej on Tue, 19 September 2006 22:18
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Kim on Wed, 20 September 2006 03:13
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: animix on Wed, 20 September 2006 06:21
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Kim on Wed, 20 September 2006 07:34
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Sarah on Wed, 20 September 2006 20:45
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: DC on Wed, 20 September 2006 21:39
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: animix on Thu, 21 September 2006 07:57
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Wed, 20 September 2006 10:03
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Wed, 20 September 2006 18:07
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: animix on Wed, 20 September 2006 19:27
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: uptown jimmy on Wed, 20 September 2006 20:00
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Pauln[1] on Thu, 21 September 2006 06:11
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: TCB on Tue, 19 September 2006 15:29
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: excelav on Sun, 17 September 2006 00:02
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene lennon on Sun, 17 September 2006 01:02
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Deej [1] on Sun, 17 September 2006 05:55
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: excelav on Mon, 18 September 2006 11:22
		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene Lennon[3] on Mon, 18 September 2006 12:03
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		Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: gene Lennon[3] on Mon, 18 September 2006 13:49
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		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Chris Latham on Sat, 16 September 2006 21:48
		Re: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope By: Jamie K on Sun, 17 September 2006 07:55
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