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| Re: DAWs and analog summing??? [message #63275 is a reply to message #63255] |
Tue, 17 January 2006 19:27   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey James,
Well now you have gone and started us on the www.gearslutz path.
Let me put on my Dreck hat, if you will:
Personally, I could really care less about mixing (OTB-Outside the box or
DAW).. At our Church Studio, we have an SSL G series, that all of the Producer
love running PT_HD/Logic thru for mixing. To me, I and other engineers who
work there can get awsome mixes just using the DAW i/o converters..At most,
I'll run a stereo out for the DAW into>Apogee> Masterlink..
Now, to me, a person can get simikar results by just using a decent mackie
or soundcraft, Behrignger console to get that same anolog summing performance..really.
I'm not crazy. What is crazt to me is this insane new summing $$$$ bus market.
What I can see spending good money on is analoge ont he from end. Again,
you don;t have to spend a fortune to get a nice warmsignal into your DAW.
At home,I use a SoundCraft ghost to front end into every DAW I use. But,
WhnI only had a mackie 1604, it sound just as good in as it does out.. Now,
I'm not naive to think that there's not a difference in BIG Buck $$ analog
and little buck analog, But when you factor in todays I/O converts, not even
the big dollar converts..Rather your, Motus, RME's EMU, M-Audios.. They so
good now, that they make up the deficiencies of the most analog consoles.
I'm not really sold on trrying to mimic an old analog console, I rather like
the "new" sounds coming from ITB mixes that I hear on the radio of products
I personally know were mixed ITB..
As in the recent, but "great" discussions ont teh "State OF DAW Affairs",
just like the gain in cpus, I think the Audio interface products will get
better and better, and for not a lot of money.. EMU really spanked the industry
the last 2 years with Audio interfaces, with their stellar sound and outragous
price point..That prompted M-audio the redo their line and upgrade their
product and dropping the price. It's only going to get better.. DAW software
companies are tweaking the "nines" out their software. Upgrading to 64bit
just like Sonar5, will yield higher performance DAW mixer and summing output..
So, again, I'm not jummping into this game..I mean let's face it. If for
no other reason to a Paris system, having to act as summing converter mixer
is justification..
Take care
LaMont
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>DAWs and analog summing???
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>The latest trend in audio seams to be analog summing boxes. There are about
>twenty manufactures putting out analog summing mixers for DAWs. Time to
>discuss the merits and value of such a product.
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>Is anybody using such a device?
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>Do you guys think there is a real need for this?
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>How much better of a final mix do you guys think can be achieved taking
this
>route?
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>What about the loss of life in a mix going through the conversion process
>multiple times?
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>Will this help with the mastering process?
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>Do you guys think it would be better to send in analog tape to a mastering
>house?
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>What are your thoughts?
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| Re: DAWs and analog summing??? [message #63347 is a reply to message #63331] |
Wed, 18 January 2006 17:50 |
Chris Wargo
Messages: 45
Registered: November 2005
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That being said, I just found a vintage piece of Telefunken gear that I must
have for my studio, or else I will die:
http://tinyurl.com/94fb4
-Chris
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>Amen brother, Amen. :-)
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>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
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>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>DAWs and analog summing???
>>>What are your thoughts?
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>>I think that the folks selling equipment have to have something to sell.
>> As we do more and more inside the box, they have less and less to sell.
>> Thus the mania over mic preamps, and the almost religious belief that
everyone
>>must have an assortment. (With GML, API and Fearn, I'm not immune). Now
>>they are trying to suggest that we also need an assortment of AD converters
>>to use with different instruments and signal paths. Never mind that the
>>choice of mic and placement have an order of magnitude more impact on what
>>gets recorded.
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>>Mixing in the box is different, and requires a different approach to mixing
>>through a console or summing box. Folks like George Massenberg mix through
>>a console because they can work much faster, not least because they are
>very
>>familiar with that process.
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>>I think the quality of converters is so high now (assuming professional
>units)
>>that multiple trips in and out of the box don't degrade the signal appreciably.
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>>I also think the folks at Gearslutz and elsewhere should stop talking about
>>mic pres and record something.
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>>Now I will go get my coffee and shut up. :)
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| Re: DAWs and analog summing??? [message #63350 is a reply to message #63347] |
Wed, 18 January 2006 18:58 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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Hehe, now we could all use one of those! ;o)
"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>That being said, I just found a vintage piece of Telefunken gear that I
must
>have for my studio, or else I will die:
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>http://tinyurl.com/94fb4
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>-Chris
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>"Chris Wargo" <na@na.na> wrote:
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>>Amen brother, Amen. :-)
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>>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>DAWs and analog summing???
>>>>What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>>I think that the folks selling equipment have to have something to sell.
>>> As we do more and more inside the box, they have less and less to sell.
>>> Thus the mania over mic preamps, and the almost religious belief that
>everyone
>>>must have an assortment. (With GML, API and Fearn, I'm not immune). Now
>>>they are trying to suggest that we also need an assortment of AD converters
>>>to use with different instruments and signal paths. Never mind that the
>>>choice of mic and placement have an order of magnitude more impact on
what
>>>gets recorded.
>>>
>>>Mixing in the box is different, and requires a different approach to mixing
>>>through a console or summing box. Folks like George Massenberg mix through
>>>a console because they can work much faster, not least because they are
>>very
>>>familiar with that process.
>>>
>>>I think the quality of converters is so high now (assuming professional
>>units)
>>>that multiple trips in and out of the box don't degrade the signal appreciably.
>>>
>>>I also think the folks at Gearslutz and elsewhere should stop talking
about
>>>mic pres and record something.
>>>
>>>Now I will go get my coffee and shut up. :)
>>>
>>
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