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| Re: OT-Graphics apps-single or dual core [message #81683 is a reply to message #81674] |
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Deej [4]
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> Alternately, you could jump off the self build at get a Dell Core 2 Duo
> and
> wipe all the crap they put onto them and be in good shape as well.
that's tempting. I'm tired of building computers. After the time I've spent
on this one, never again.....well.....maybe never......sorta', depending on
whether........;o)
Deej
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:45fcddab$1@linux...
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> My understanding is that Adobe has done a pretty good job with
> multi-threading
> their apps. And even if she's only _using_ one at a time if she's running
> more than one app simultaneously it should help a bit. I'd got with your
> first instinct.
>
> Alternately, you could jump off the self build at get a Dell Core 2 Duo
> and
> wipe all the crap they put onto them and be in good shape as well.
>
> Good luck,
>
> TCB
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I built Amy a graphics computer recently. she is running Adobe suite
>>(Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker etc. ) and a lot of other graphics
>>related software. He CPU is an AMD 64 4200 x 2 (2 x 2100 cores). She's
>>jonesin for a little more horsepower and so last night Ibought myself an
>
>>Opteron 185 for my Cubase rig and I was going to replace her 4200 dual
>>core
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>>with the 4800 dual core I'm currently running in my cubase rig. this will
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>>give her two 2400 cores. I've also got an AMD 64 3700 single core CPU
>>here.
>
>>She's usually working with one app at a time. I'm just wondering if the
>
>>single core CPU wouldn't offer her more processing power under these
>>circumstances and actually be a better processor for her needs.
>>
>>I'm going to do some Googling on this but if anyone has any insight into
>
>>this situation, it would be much appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
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| Re: OT-Graphics apps-single or dual core [message #81684 is a reply to message #81673] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 10:18 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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I found a bunch of stuff on multithreading for Adobe aps last night. Looks
like the duallies are definitely the way to go for Photoshop, etc.
thanks,
Deej
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45fcd938$1@linux...
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>
> I actually thought Adobe kinda had all that multi-threading dual processor
> stuff down pat pretty early, though that's all kinda a faded memory now.
>
> All I can say is desktop publishing on Mac's is very popular, and they had
> dual core as a common thing before PC's were doing it. Traditionally Adobe
> have gotten their apps up to current specs pretty quickly in the past.
>
> I think you'll find they have their dual core stuff all sorted, though I
> am talking more from instinct than knowledge here.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I built Amy a graphics computer recently. she is running Adobe suite
>>(Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker etc. ) and a lot of other graphics
>>related software. He CPU is an AMD 64 4200 x 2 (2 x 2100 cores). She's
>>jonesin for a little more horsepower and so last night Ibought myself an
>
>>Opteron 185 for my Cubase rig and I was going to replace her 4200 dual
>>core
>
>>with the 4800 dual core I'm currently running in my cubase rig. this will
>
>>give her two 2400 cores. I've also got an AMD 64 3700 single core CPU
>>here.
>
>>She's usually working with one app at a time. I'm just wondering if the
>
>>single core CPU wouldn't offer her more processing power under these
>>circumstances and actually be a better processor for her needs.
>>
>>I'm going to do some Googling on this but if anyone has any insight into
>
>>this situation, it would be much appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT-Graphics apps-single or dual core [message #81687 is a reply to message #81672] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 10:35 |
Aaron Allen
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Doug, even if she's only using Photoshop there are other things also to
consider - OS takes CPU and if you already have it by all means use it. If
you open up your task manager, you'll get a better feel for who is sucking
what resources. Additionally, I'm relatively sure that Photoshop is a multi
threaded app and will use them, though I couldn't say if it will spread the
processes evenly between CPUs.
One thing you didn't mention was RAM.. traditionally speaking Photoshop can
take a superfast PC to it's knees in a heartbeat by sucking up all the
available RAM, so load her down on that.
AA
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fc94c6@linux...
>I built Amy a graphics computer recently. she is running Adobe suite
>(Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker etc. ) and a lot of other graphics
>related software. He CPU is an AMD 64 4200 x 2 (2 x 2100 cores). She's
>jonesin for a little more horsepower and so last night Ibought myself an
>Opteron 185 for my Cubase rig and I was going to replace her 4200 dual core
>with the 4800 dual core I'm currently running in my cubase rig. this will
>give her two 2400 cores. I've also got an AMD 64 3700 single core CPU here.
>She's usually working with one app at a time. I'm just wondering if the
>single core CPU wouldn't offer her more processing power under these
>circumstances and actually be a better processor for her needs.
>
> I'm going to do some Googling on this but if anyone has any insight into
> this situation, it would be much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>
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| Re: OT-Graphics apps-single or dual core [message #81695 is a reply to message #81684] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 12:52 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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Hi DJ,
Most Adobe stuff has been multi-threaded on PC sense the early dual
xeons and dual P3 servers using NT4.
Currently I know Premiere and after effects will use an 8 core Xeon.
But it is the only program they make that would even need that.
The desktop publishing software will totally fine with dual core.
If some is going to be doing some serious desktop pub work then I'd do
the following assuming you are using the current versions from Adobe.
1. have separate drive for photoshops scratch drive that is dedicated to
it.
2. windows xp pro 64 - Adobe will take advantage of the 4 gigs even
though it is not a 64 bit app. This will also depend on whether your
printer/scanner has drivers. Other wise use XP pro with the /3GB switch.
3. 4 gigs ram
4. if you are not doing 3D stuff then the Matrox APV-e . Shitty 3D but
great color support. If you are doing that involves 3D or Open GL then
the NVidia Quadra series card are the way to go.
5. Separate drive for the actual projects Could be external sense the
speed isn't as biga deal. It will only effect the final save/render time.
Something similar to your Cubase machine will work fine or a newer Intel
core2duo.
Not much to do int he way of tweaks other than making sure it can use
the ram so I think it would be a very easy thing for you to build.
The think that would make the most difference in speed will the ram and
video card.
Chris
DJ wrote:
>I found a bunch of stuff on multithreading for Adobe aps last night. Looks
>like the duallies are definitely the way to go for Photoshop, etc.
>
>thanks,
>Deej
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45fcd938$1@linux...
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>
>>I actually thought Adobe kinda had all that multi-threading dual processor
>>stuff down pat pretty early, though that's all kinda a faded memory now.
>>
>>All I can say is desktop publishing on Mac's is very popular, and they had
>>dual core as a common thing before PC's were doing it. Traditionally Adobe
>>have gotten their apps up to current specs pretty quickly in the past.
>>
>>I think you'll find they have their dual core stuff all sorted, though I
>>am talking more from instinct than knowledge here.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I built Amy a graphics computer recently. she is running Adobe suite
>>>(Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker etc. ) and a lot of other graphics
>>>related software. He CPU is an AMD 64 4200 x 2 (2 x 2100 cores). She's
>>>jonesin for a little more horsepower and so last night Ibought myself an
>>>
>>>
>>>Opteron 185 for my Cubase rig and I was going to replace her 4200 dual
>>>core
>>>
>>>
>>>with the 4800 dual core I'm currently running in my cubase rig. this will
>>>
>>>
>>>give her two 2400 cores. I've also got an AMD 64 3700 single core CPU
>>>here.
>>>
>>>
>>>She's usually working with one app at a time. I'm just wondering if the
>>>
>>>
>>>single core CPU wouldn't offer her more processing power under these
>>>circumstances and actually be a better processor for her needs.
>>>
>>>I'm going to do some Googling on this but if anyone has any insight into
>>>
>>>
>>>this situation, it would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: OT-Graphics apps-single or dual core [message #81698 is a reply to message #81695] |
Sun, 18 March 2007 13:47 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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Thanks Chris. I'll do the RAM tweak or maybe just get her XP64 and start
over. She did run low on RAM in yesterday (2G in machine now.....I was
sorta' astounded at this).
NVidia Quadra, eh? I'm running a GEforce 6200 graphics card with the most
recent drivers loaded and was having absolutely catastrophic crashes that
were reported to be video driver related. there could be other reasons
though. I had installed the old ASUS A8V-DLX mobo in her computer that I had
been running for audio and it had been "rode hard and put away wet" a few
times. There are burn marks on PCI slot #3 where I accidentally pulled a PCI
card out of the slot while the PSU was still plugged in (fried a Magma host
card on that one). Anyway, the system continued to work just fine for audio
(even that scorched PCI slot worked fine) so I continued to use the board.
Last night I started getting some very strange stuff going on, including,
but not limited to CMOS checksum errors. the system would cyclically reboot
and then finally stop with a BSOD IRQ_LESS_THAN_EQUAL message and I could
not even boot into Safe Mode to troubleshoot it. I was also getting errors
that Overclocking had failed and since I'm not OC'ing at all I figured I was
in some deep **** and might as well eliminate as many possible variables as
I could so I just pulled the 4800 x 2 CPU off my Cubase DAW, installed it
on a brand new A8V-DLX mobo that I had here for a backup and the system is
running smoothly, but I think I may look at another graphics card for her.
Performance on her machine seems a bit snappier now as compared to the
previous 4200 CPU (to be expected) but not nearly the increase that I
experienced with audio apps when I switched from a 4400 x 2 to the 4800 x 2
which I thought was interesting, but then again, we're talking apples and
oranges as far as apps go. More RAM sounds like a good thing for her
purposes..
I've got an Opteron 185/939 on the way for my GA-K8NS Ultra 939 mobo on the
Cubase DAW. I figure that's as good as it gets unless I go to the 940's and
the Tyan dual socket boards, but then I'm looking at lots more money on new
CPU's, RAM and mobo and I'm gonna try to squeeze this 939 rig for as long as
I can until the new AMD quads that are FPU optomized hit the streets.
Now watch....the 185 probably won't work on the K8NS-U939 mobo.
;o}
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:45fd985b@linux...
> Hi DJ,
> Most Adobe stuff has been multi-threaded on PC sense the early dual xeons
> and dual P3 servers using NT4.
> Currently I know Premiere and after effects will use an 8 core Xeon. But
> it is the only program they make that would even need that.
> The desktop publishing software will totally fine with dual core.
> If some is going to be doing some serious desktop pub work then I'd do the
> following assuming you are using the current versions from Adobe.
> 1. have separate drive for photoshops scratch drive that is dedicated to
> it.
> 2. windows xp pro 64 - Adobe will take advantage of the 4 gigs even though
> it is not a 64 bit app. This will also depend on whether your
> printer/scanner has drivers. Other wise use XP pro with the /3GB switch.
> 3. 4 gigs ram
> 4. if you are not doing 3D stuff then the Matrox APV-e . Shitty 3D but
> great color support. If you are doing that involves 3D or Open GL then the
> NVidia Quadra series card are the way to go.
> 5. Separate drive for the actual projects Could be external sense the
> speed isn't as biga deal. It will only effect the final save/render time.
>
> Something similar to your Cubase machine will work fine or a newer Intel
> core2duo.
> Not much to do int he way of tweaks other than making sure it can use the
> ram so I think it would be a very easy thing for you to build.
> The think that would make the most difference in speed will the ram and
> video card.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>>I found a bunch of stuff on multithreading for Adobe aps last night. Looks
>>like the duallies are definitely the way to go for Photoshop, etc.
>>
>>thanks,
>>Deej
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45fcd938$1@linux...
>>
>>>I actually thought Adobe kinda had all that multi-threading dual
>>>processor
>>>stuff down pat pretty early, though that's all kinda a faded memory now.
>>>
>>>All I can say is desktop publishing on Mac's is very popular, and they
>>>had
>>>dual core as a common thing before PC's were doing it. Traditionally
>>>Adobe
>>>have gotten their apps up to current specs pretty quickly in the past.
>>>
>>>I think you'll find they have their dual core stuff all sorted, though I
>>>am talking more from instinct than knowledge here.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I built Amy a graphics computer recently. she is running Adobe suite
>>>>(Photoshop, Illustrator, Pagemaker etc. ) and a lot of other graphics
>>>>related software. He CPU is an AMD 64 4200 x 2 (2 x 2100 cores). She's
>>>>jonesin for a little more horsepower and so last night Ibought myself an
>>>>
>>>>Opteron 185 for my Cubase rig and I was going to replace her 4200 dual
>>>>core
>>>>
>>>>with the 4800 dual core I'm currently running in my cubase rig. this
>>>>will
>>>>
>>>>give her two 2400 cores. I've also got an AMD 64 3700 single core CPU
>>>>here.
>>>>
>>>>She's usually working with one app at a time. I'm just wondering if the
>>>>
>>>>single core CPU wouldn't offer her more processing power under these
>>>>circumstances and actually be a better processor for her needs.
>>>>
>>>>I'm going to do some Googling on this but if anyone has any insight into
>>>>
>>>>this situation, it would be much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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