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| OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68514] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 10:19  |
Rod Lincoln
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Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
had a crash...ever, on this comp.
Rod
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68515 is a reply to message #68514] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 10:25  |
Mark McDermott
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Hi Rod,
Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That might
be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of spyware,
malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before that.
Mark
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
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>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>
>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>Rod
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68519 is a reply to message #68517] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 11:28 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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Hi there Rod...Get rid of ZoneAlarm !!! it is totally useless,and causes all
sorts of problems.....I also HATE Norton...their software is very
"invasive",and probably mostly useless too....
"john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44734fb6$1@linux...
>
> I have had great success with Mcafee. Go to www.salescircular.com and
pick
> your state and on the bottom pick free after rebate. Often antivirus is
> there for free.
>
> John
>
> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hi Rod,
> >
> >Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That
might
> >be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of
spyware,
> >malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before that.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
internet
> >>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
ran
> >>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
longer
> >>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
> of
> >>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
> >>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
> >>
> >>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
> >>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
> I've
> >>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
> >>Rod
> >
>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68526 is a reply to message #68514] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 13:48 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it. BY
FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
some kinds of media playback.
If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled you
did.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>
>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>Rod
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68527 is a reply to message #68526] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 16:54 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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hey,
is this stuff superior to AVG?
j
TCB wrote:
>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it. BY
>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>some kinds of media playback.
>
>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>
>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled you
>did.
>
>TCB
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>>
>>
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hey,<br>
is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
j<br>
<br>
TCB wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it. BY
FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
some kinds of media playback.
If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled you
did.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
had a crash...ever, on this comp.
Rod
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68529 is a reply to message #68519] |
Tue, 23 May 2006 17:26 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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I was watching "Call For Help" a couple of weeks ago on cable, and they did
some real world benchmarking on anti virus software, and the concluded
Norton and Zone Alarm slowed the computer down by as much as 50%, but that
the Windows "one care" had no speed hit at all.
Just FYI.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:447351c4$1@linux...
> Hi there Rod...Get rid of ZoneAlarm !!! it is totally useless,and causes
> all
> sorts of problems.....I also HATE Norton...their software is very
> "invasive",and probably mostly useless too....
> "john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44734fb6$1@linux...
>>
>> I have had great success with Mcafee. Go to www.salescircular.com and
> pick
>> your state and on the bottom pick free after rebate. Often antivirus is
>> there for free.
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi Rod,
>> >
>> >Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That
> might
>> >be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of
> spyware,
>> >malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before
>> >that.
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
> internet
>> >>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
> ran
>> >>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
> longer
>> >>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>> of
>> >>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>> >>switch
>> >>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>> >>
>> >>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>> >>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>> I've
>> >>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>> >>Rod
>> >
>>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68547 is a reply to message #68527] |
Wed, 24 May 2006 05:44 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme. They
have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually free
(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
TCB
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>hey,
>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>j
>
>TCB wrote:
>
>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it.
BY
>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
in
>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
I
>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
you
>>did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
ran
>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
of
>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
I've
>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>hey,<br>
>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>j<br>
><br>
>TCB wrote:
><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
Ubuntu on
>it. BY
>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>some kinds of media playback.
>
>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>
>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
you
>did.
>
>TCB
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>wrote:
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
on my internet
>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>
>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>Rod
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68586 is a reply to message #68547] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 08:48 |
jef knight[1]
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thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid of
them, which sure saved some head aches.
j
TCB wrote:
>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme. They
>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually free
>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>
>
>TCB
>
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>hey,
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>j
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it.
>>>
>>>
>BY
>
>
>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>>>
>>>
>in
>
>
>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>
>>>
>I
>
>
>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>
>>>
>you
>
>
>>>did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>
>>>>
>ran
>
>
>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>>>
>>>>
>of
>
>
>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>
>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>
>>>>
>I've
>
>
>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>Rod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>hey,<br>
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>j<br>
>><br>
>>TCB wrote:
>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>
>>
>Ubuntu on
>
>
>>it. BY
>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>
>>
>you
>
>
>>did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>wrote:
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
>>
>>
>on my internet
>
>
>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
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thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
j<br>
<br>
TCB wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme. They
have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually free
(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
TCB
jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">hey,
is this stuff superior to AVG?
j
TCB wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on it.
</pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!---->BY
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
some kinds of media playback.
If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
</pre>
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->I
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
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<pre wrap=""><!---->you
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<pre wrap="">did.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
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<pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
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<pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
</pre>
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<pre wrap=""><!---->I've
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<pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
Rod
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hey,<br>
is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
j<br>
<br>
TCB wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">it. BY
FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
some kinds of media playback.
If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->you
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">did.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription ran
out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
had a crash...ever, on this comp.
Rod
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68590 is a reply to message #68586] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 10:12 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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I'm curious, what do you mean by "Raped" your system. I've never experienced
what other people are saying about Norton. That being said, I'm not trying
to defend it either. If there's something better, I would like to be using
it.
Rod
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid of
>them, which sure saved some head aches.
>j
>
>TCB wrote:
>
>>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme.
They
>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
free
>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hey,
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>j
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on
it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>BY
>>
>>
>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
for
>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>
>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>>>>
>>>>
>>in
>>
>>
>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
downside
>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>>
>>>>
>>I
>>
>>
>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>
>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>
>>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>>did.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>ran
>>
>>
>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
longer
>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>of
>>
>>
>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>I've
>>
>>
>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>hey,<br>
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>j<br>
>>><br>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>>
>>>
>>Ubuntu on
>>
>>
>>>it. BY
>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
in
>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
I
>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>
>>>
>>you
>>
>>
>>>did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>wrote:
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
2002
>>>
>>>
>>on my internet
>>
>>
>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
ran
>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
of
>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
I've
>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
><html>
><head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
> <title></title>
></head>
><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
>of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
>j<br>
><br>
>TCB wrote:
><blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing
scheme.
>They
>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
free
>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>
>
>TCB
>
>jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a>
>wrote:
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">hey,
>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>j
>
>TCB wrote:
>
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
Ubuntu
>on it.
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->BY
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through
some hoops
>for
>some kinds of media playback.
>
>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->in
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's
GPL'd).
>The downside
>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->I
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>
>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">did.
>
>TCB
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>wrote:
>
>
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
2002 on my
>internet
>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->ran
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed
it was
>no longer
>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->of
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions
on what
>to switch
>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>
>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->I've
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>Rod
>
>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap="">
>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap="">
><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
><html>
><head>
> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
></head>
><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>hey,<br>
>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>j<br>
><br>
>TCB wrote:
><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">it. BY
>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>some kinds of media playback.
>
>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>
>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">did.
>
>TCB
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a
>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
>wrote:
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
> </pre>
> <blockquote type="cite">
> <pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My
subscription
>ran
>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>
>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think I've
>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>Rod
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->
> </pre>
></blockquote>
></body>
></html>
>
> </pre>
> </blockquote>
> <pre wrap=""><!---->
> </pre>
></blockquote>
></body>
></html>
>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68592 is a reply to message #68519] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 16:38 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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This is all just odd to me... reading the great jonesing on McAffee and the
negative reference to Norton as "invasive." I've have always found McAffees
stuff to be incredibly invasive and Norton (System works in particular) to
be very background, make it do what you want and not what you don't. I
recently got a call to fix 2 PC's... each had McCaffee and each was healed
with the removal of McAffee. The other thing with McAffee versus any other
AV/SystemHealth I've seen is the lack of configurability and the absolute BS
it throws in your face that you can't turn off. McAffee has exhibited
unwanted unwarranted paranoia about every little thing. Disbale it to
install a new app and it turns itself back on to tell you that it believes
your neighbor's cat may be using a dial-up connection to email Lex Luther's
evil twin in an attempt to have your brother-in-law sent back to prison.
Ignore that and it tell you that tomorrow, you're gonna have a wreck and
kill 2 nuns and 6 baby ducks if you don't upgrade now. Whereas, Norton just
does it job, doesn't fill every available space in your browser bars with
marketing hype and your OS with flashing lights and sirens.
Dubya
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message news:447351c4$1@linux...
> Hi there Rod...Get rid of ZoneAlarm !!! it is totally useless,and causes
> all
> sorts of problems.....I also HATE Norton...their software is very
> "invasive",and probably mostly useless too....
> "john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44734fb6$1@linux...
>>
>> I have had great success with Mcafee. Go to www.salescircular.com and
> pick
>> your state and on the bottom pick free after rebate. Often antivirus is
>> there for free.
>>
>> John
>>
>> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi Rod,
>> >
>> >Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That
> might
>> >be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of
> spyware,
>> >malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before
>> >that.
>> >
>> >Mark
>> >
>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
> internet
>> >>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
> ran
>> >>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
> longer
>> >>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>> of
>> >>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>> >>switch
>> >>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>> >>
>> >>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>> >>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>> I've
>> >>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>> >>Rod
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68597 is a reply to message #68592] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 20:08 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Just wondering.. were you using McAfee managed by chance? That thing is a
giant pile of crap, and you'd be dead on to say you get to configure
'nothing' about it. Their A/V I'm ok with, and the firewall I don't like.
Zone Alarm and AVG have never once failed me on my personal boxes.
Corporate.. well, that's another thing I have to live in a box on. But
Norton? Haven't had any kind of luck with it that is good. Nice to hear
another POV though, I don't feel quite as trodden upon by Symantec :)
AA
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote in message
news:44763ee0@linux...
> This is all just odd to me... reading the great jonesing on McAffee and
> the negative reference to Norton as "invasive." I've have always found
> McAffees stuff to be incredibly invasive and Norton (System works in
> particular) to be very background, make it do what you want and not what
> you don't. I recently got a call to fix 2 PC's... each had McCaffee and
> each was healed with the removal of McAffee. The other thing with McAffee
> versus any other AV/SystemHealth I've seen is the lack of configurability
> and the absolute BS it throws in your face that you can't turn off.
> McAffee has exhibited unwanted unwarranted paranoia about every little
> thing. Disbale it to install a new app and it turns itself back on to
> tell you that it believes your neighbor's cat may be using a dial-up
> connection to email Lex Luther's evil twin in an attempt to have your
> brother-in-law sent back to prison. Ignore that and it tell you that
> tomorrow, you're gonna have a wreck and kill 2 nuns and 6 baby ducks if
> you don't upgrade now. Whereas, Norton just does it job, doesn't fill
> every available space in your browser bars with marketing hype and your OS
> with flashing lights and sirens.
>
> Dubya
>
> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:447351c4$1@linux...
>> Hi there Rod...Get rid of ZoneAlarm !!! it is totally useless,and causes
>> all
>> sorts of problems.....I also HATE Norton...their software is very
>> "invasive",and probably mostly useless too....
>> "john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44734fb6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I have had great success with Mcafee. Go to www.salescircular.com and
>> pick
>>> your state and on the bottom pick free after rebate. Often antivirus is
>>> there for free.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Hi Rod,
>>> >
>>> >Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That
>> might
>>> >be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of
>> spyware,
>>> >malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before
>>> >that.
>>> >
>>> >Mark
>>> >
>>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
>> internet
>>> >>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>> ran
>>> >>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>> longer
>>> >>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>> of
>>> >>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>>> >>switch
>>> >>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>> >>
>>> >>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>> >>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>> I've
>>> >>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>> >>Rod
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68599 is a reply to message #68590] |
Thu, 25 May 2006 20:23 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Better, to me, means Grisoft. YMMV. I've been witness to the after effect of
specifically written viruses going in and dismantling norton w/o norton
knowing about it. Norton appears to be running properly / protecting, when
in fact it ain't. That is the real bad news for the recipient. Think of it
this way. There is a reason the big guys get put in the sights of every
little hacker wanna be. They are dominant, they bring the most 'glory' to
the little hacker that could. Same reason MS keeps (and believe me, Mac is
going to follow on the hit list) getting pants'd... they're the *big guy*
and a big target brings a lot of crosshairs on it's butt to the party.
Grisoft, Trend Micro, maybe Panda all fit that big enough to get it done
right but not so big they have a target painted on their heads.
AA
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4475e595$1@linux...
>
> I'm curious, what do you mean by "Raped" your system. I've never
> experienced
> what other people are saying about Norton. That being said, I'm not trying
> to defend it either. If there's something better, I would like to be using
> it.
> Rod
> jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>
>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid of
>
>>them, which sure saved some head aches.
>>j
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme.
> They
>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
> free
>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over
>>>Norton.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>hey,
>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>>j
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on
> it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>BY
>>>
>>>
>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
> for
>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
> an
>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
> downside
>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
> it
>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
> on
>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>
>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>did.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
>>>>>>internet
>>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>ran
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
> longer
>>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>>>>>>switch
>>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>><html>
>>>><head>
>>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>>></head>
>>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>>hey,<br>
>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>>j<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Ubuntu on
>>>
>>>
>>>>it. BY
>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>
>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
> an
>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
> in
>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
> downside
>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
> it
>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
> on
>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
> I
>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>
>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>
>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>did.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
> 2002
>>>>
>>>>
>>>on my internet
>>>
>>>
>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
> ran
>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>>>>longer
>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
> of
>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>
>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
> I've
>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>Rod
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>> </pre>
>>>></blockquote>
>>>></body>
>>>></html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>><html>
>><head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>> <title></title>
>></head>
>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
>>of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
>>j<br>
>><br>
>>TCB wrote:
>><blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar
>> licensing
> scheme.
>>They
>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
> free
>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over
>>Norton.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a>
>>wrote:
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">hey,
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>j
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks?
>> Install
> Ubuntu
>>on it.
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->BY
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump
>> through
> some hoops
>>for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->in
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech
>> (it's
> GPL'd).
>>The downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
> 2002 on my
>>internet
>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->ran
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was
>> informed
> it was
>>no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->of
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for
>> opinions
> on what
>>to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I've
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>>
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap="">
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap="">
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>><html>
>><head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>></head>
>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>hey,<br>
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>j<br>
>><br>
>>TCB wrote:
>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">it. BY
>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as in
>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>>downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router. I
>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a
>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a
>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
>>wrote:
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My
> subscription
>>ran
>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some of
>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>I've
>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>> </pre>
>></blockquote>
>></body>
>></html>
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>> </pre>
>></blockquote>
>></body>
>></html>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68608 is a reply to message #68590] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 06:53 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Senior Member |
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We use Symantec corporate where I work. It's not nearly as invasive as the
consumer versions. Remember I'm a professional geek, so for me control is
a _huge_ part of what I want from my computing environment, and consumer
Norton does spread itself all over the place. It inspects web pages viewed,
tries to scan network drives (big no no in a corporate environment), and
if you watch the taks manager it's always muddling around doing something.
It's also awfully chatty with the remote Symantec servers, which is understandable
(virus definition updates) but the precise thing I _would_ like to know about
is when a machine on my network is talking to another machine on the web.
Anti-virus software also creates its own single point of failure in the event
that the antivirus software has a problem. As in
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1967941,00.asp
200 million computers running Norton and they may ahve left a huge security
hole in their own software. Monocultures are bad for software just like they're
bad for nature.
In my experience the free tools are at least as good as the pay tools. They
also offer a little security by obscurity improvement because they aren't
as common as Norton. I still say, though, that good computing practices +
GNU\Linux is the best way to avoid this stuff.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>I'm curious, what do you mean by "Raped" your system. I've never experienced
>what other people are saying about Norton. That being said, I'm not trying
>to defend it either. If there's something better, I would like to be using
>it.
>Rod
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>
>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid of
>
>>them, which sure saved some head aches.
>>j
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>>>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme.
>They
>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>free
>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>hey,
>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>>j
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on
>it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>BY
>>>
>>>
>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
>for
>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
>an
>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free
as
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>downside
>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>it
>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
>on
>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>
>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>did.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>ran
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>longer
>>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>I've
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>><html>
>>>><head>
>>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>>></head>
>>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>>hey,<br>
>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>>j<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Ubuntu on
>>>
>>>
>>>>it. BY
>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
for
>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>
>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
>an
>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>in
>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>downside
>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>it
>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
>on
>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>I
>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>
>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>
>>>>
>>>you
>>>
>>>
>>>>did.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>>wrote:
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>2002
>>>>
>>>>
>>>on my internet
>>>
>>>
>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>ran
>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>of
>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>
>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>I've
>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>Rod
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>> </pre>
>>>></blockquote>
>>>></body>
>>>></html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>><html>
>><head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>> <title></title>
>></head>
>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
>>of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
>>j<br>
>><br>
>>TCB wrote:
>><blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing
>scheme.
>>They
>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>free
>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a>
>>wrote:
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">hey,
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>j
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>Ubuntu
>>on it.
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->BY
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through
>some hoops
>>for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->in
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech
(it's
>GPL'd).
>>The downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>2002 on my
>>internet
>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->ran
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed
>it was
>>no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->of
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions
>on what
>>to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I've
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>>
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap="">
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap="">
>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>><html>
>><head>
>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>></head>
>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>hey,<br>
>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>j<br>
>><br>
>>TCB wrote:
>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">it. BY
>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>some kinds of media playback.
>>
>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as an
>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
in
>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The downside
>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell it
>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it on
>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
I
>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>
>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a
>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
>>wrote:
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
>> </pre>
>> <blockquote type="cite">
>> <pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year.
My
>subscription
>>ran
>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
of
>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>
>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
I've
>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>Rod
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>> </pre>
>></blockquote>
>></body>
>></html>
>>
>> </pre>
>> </blockquote>
>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>> </pre>
>></blockquote>
>></body>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68610 is a reply to message #68599] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 07:13 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Thanks Aaron. I'll check out those options. You use zone alarm at home, don't
you? I think that you turned me on to it, could be wrong though. Anyway,it
seems to do the job for me, but there's obviously some negative sentiment
about it.
Rod
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Better, to me, means Grisoft. YMMV. I've been witness to the after effect
of
>specifically written viruses going in and dismantling norton w/o norton
>knowing about it. Norton appears to be running properly / protecting, when
>in fact it ain't. That is the real bad news for the recipient. Think of
it
>this way. There is a reason the big guys get put in the sights of every
>little hacker wanna be. They are dominant, they bring the most 'glory' to
>the little hacker that could. Same reason MS keeps (and believe me, Mac
is
>going to follow on the hit list) getting pants'd... they're the *big guy*
>and a big target brings a lot of crosshairs on it's butt to the party.
>Grisoft, Trend Micro, maybe Panda all fit that big enough to get it done
>right but not so big they have a target painted on their heads.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:4475e595$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm curious, what do you mean by "Raped" your system. I've never
>> experienced
>> what other people are saying about Norton. That being said, I'm not trying
>> to defend it either. If there's something better, I would like to be using
>> it.
>> Rod
>> jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>
>>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
of
>>
>>>them, which sure saved some head aches.
>>>j
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme.
>> They
>>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>> free
>>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over
>>>>Norton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>hey,
>>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>>>j
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on
>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>BY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
>> for
>>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem,
as
>> an
>>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free
as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>> downside
>>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>> it
>>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use
it
>> on
>>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
>>>>>>>internet
>>>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>ran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>> longer
>>>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read
some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>>>>>>>switch
>>>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>I've
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>>><html>
>>>>><head>
>>>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>>>></head>
>>>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>>>hey,<br>
>>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>>>j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Ubuntu on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it. BY
>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
for
>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
>> an
>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free
as
>> in
>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>> downside
>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>> it
>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
>> on
>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>> I
>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>
>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>did.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>> 2002
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>on my internet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>> ran
>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>>>>>longer
>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>> of
>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>> I've
>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>> </blockquote>
>>>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>></blockquote>
>>>>></body>
>>>>></html>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>> <title></title>
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
>>>of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
>>>j<br>
>>><br>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar
>>> licensing
>> scheme.
>>>They
>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>> free
>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over
>>>Norton.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a>
>>>wrote:
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">hey,
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>j
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks?
>>> Install
>> Ubuntu
>>>on it.
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->BY
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump
>>> through
>> some hoops
>>>for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->in
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech
>>> (it's
>> GPL'd).
>>>The downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>> 2002 on my
>>>internet
>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->ran
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was
>>> informed
>> it was
>>>no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->of
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for
>>> opinions
>> on what
>>>to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I've
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>hey,<br>
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>j<br>
>>><br>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">it. BY
>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
in
>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>>>downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
I
>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a
>>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a
>>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
>>>wrote:
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
2002
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year.
My
>> subscription
>>>ran
>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
of
>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>I've
>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>>
>>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68611 is a reply to message #68608] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 07:15 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Thanks for the clarifacation Thad.
Rod
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>We use Symantec corporate where I work. It's not nearly as invasive as the
>consumer versions. Remember I'm a professional geek, so for me control is
>a _huge_ part of what I want from my computing environment, and consumer
>Norton does spread itself all over the place. It inspects web pages viewed,
>tries to scan network drives (big no no in a corporate environment), and
>if you watch the taks manager it's always muddling around doing something.
>It's also awfully chatty with the remote Symantec servers, which is understandable
>(virus definition updates) but the precise thing I _would_ like to know
about
>is when a machine on my network is talking to another machine on the web.
>
>
>Anti-virus software also creates its own single point of failure in the
event
>that the antivirus software has a problem. As in
>
>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1967941,00.asp
>
>200 million computers running Norton and they may ahve left a huge security
>hole in their own software. Monocultures are bad for software just like
they're
>bad for nature.
>
>In my experience the free tools are at least as good as the pay tools. They
>also offer a little security by obscurity improvement because they aren't
>as common as Norton. I still say, though, that good computing practices
+
>GNU\Linux is the best way to avoid this stuff.
>
>TCB
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>I'm curious, what do you mean by "Raped" your system. I've never experienced
>>what other people are saying about Norton. That being said, I'm not trying
>>to defend it either. If there's something better, I would like to be using
>>it.
>>Rod
>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>
>>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
of
>>
>>>them, which sure saved some head aches.
>>>j
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing scheme.
>>They
>>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>>free
>>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>hey,
>>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>>>j
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install Ubuntu on
>>it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>BY
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
>>for
>>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem,
as
>>an
>>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free
>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>>downside
>>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>>it
>>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use
it
>>on
>>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my internet
>>>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>ran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>>longer
>>>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read
some
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
switch
>>>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>I've
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>>><html>
>>>>><head>
>>>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>>>></head>
>>>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>>>hey,<br>
>>>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>>>j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Ubuntu on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>it. BY
>>>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops
>for
>>>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
>>an
>>>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free
as
>>in
>>>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
>>downside
>>>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
>>it
>>>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
>>on
>>>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>I
>>>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>>>
>>>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>did.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>>2002
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>on my internet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>ran
>>>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
longer
>>>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>of
>>>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>I've
>>>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>> </blockquote>
>>>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>>> </pre>
>>>>></blockquote>
>>>>></body>
>>>>></html>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>> <title></title>
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>thanks. I agree about Norton. It's raped my system before, then I found
>>>a little app that finds all the Norton entries and files and gets rid
>>>of them, which sure saved some head aches.<br>
>>>j<br>
>>><br>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="mid4474552d$1@linux" type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">AVG is roughly on par with AntiVir, and is a similar licensing
>>scheme.
>>>They
>>>have a free (as in beer) version and a pay version. Clamwin is actually
>>free
>>>(as in libre or speech) software, source code and all. I'd say all three
>>>work at least as well as the pay software and I'd take any one over Norton.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a>
>>>wrote:
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">hey,
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?
>>>j
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks?
Install
>>Ubuntu
>>>on it.
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->BY
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through
>>some hoops
>>>for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->in
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech
>(it's
>>GPL'd).
>>>The downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
>>2002 on my
>>>internet
>>>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->ran
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was
informed
>>it was
>>>no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->of
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions
>>on what
>>>to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->I've
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>hey,<br>
>>>is this stuff superior to AVG?<br>
>>>j<br>
>>><br>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="mid44737517$1@linux" type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Best way to deal with viruses and network attacks? Install
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->Ubuntu on
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">it. BY
>>>FAR the best option, though you will have to jump through some hoops for
>>>some kinds of media playback.
>>>
>>>If you insist on paying for an inferior Microsoft operating sytem, as
an
>>>alternative to Norton I suggest AntiVir or Clamwin. AntiVir is free as
>in
>>>beer, Clamwin free as in beer and free as in speech (it's GPL'd). The
downside
>>>is that Clamwin doesn't include a real time scanner--you have to tell
it
>>>to scan something. I think the XP firewall is pretty decent, I use it
on
>>>my machines but I also have my own firewall built into my home router.
>I
>>>think Zonealarm mostly just scares people.
>>>
>>>But try Ubuntu, after a little bit of kicking around you'll be thrilled
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->you
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">did.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
>>>href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"</a>><a
>>>class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com"><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com></a></a>
>>>wrote:
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks
2002
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->on my internet
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year.
>My
>>subscription
>>>ran
>>>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no longer
>>>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read some
>of
>>>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to switch
>>>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>
>>>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't think
>I've
>>>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>Rod
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Should I dump Norton?????? [message #68623 is a reply to message #68597] |
Fri, 26 May 2006 10:22 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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It was their regular "suite" the user had purchased at Costco. And I'm with
you on Symantec. I currently use NAV Corp Edition 8.1.x I forget it's
there until it notifies me in the manner I told I want notification of a
virus or potential virus.
Dubya
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:4476703c$1@linux...
> Just wondering.. were you using McAfee managed by chance? That thing is a
> giant pile of crap, and you'd be dead on to say you get to configure
> 'nothing' about it. Their A/V I'm ok with, and the firewall I don't like.
> Zone Alarm and AVG have never once failed me on my personal boxes.
> Corporate.. well, that's another thing I have to live in a box on. But
> Norton? Haven't had any kind of luck with it that is good. Nice to hear
> another POV though, I don't feel quite as trodden upon by Symantec :)
> AA
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote in message
> news:44763ee0@linux...
>> This is all just odd to me... reading the great jonesing on McAffee and
>> the negative reference to Norton as "invasive." I've have always found
>> McAffees stuff to be incredibly invasive and Norton (System works in
>> particular) to be very background, make it do what you want and not what
>> you don't. I recently got a call to fix 2 PC's... each had McCaffee and
>> each was healed with the removal of McAffee. The other thing with
>> McAffee versus any other AV/SystemHealth I've seen is the lack of
>> configurability and the absolute BS it throws in your face that you can't
>> turn off. McAffee has exhibited unwanted unwarranted paranoia about every
>> little thing. Disbale it to install a new app and it turns itself back
>> on to tell you that it believes your neighbor's cat may be using a
>> dial-up connection to email Lex Luther's evil twin in an attempt to have
>> your brother-in-law sent back to prison. Ignore that and it tell you that
>> tomorrow, you're gonna have a wreck and kill 2 nuns and 6 baby ducks if
>> you don't upgrade now. Whereas, Norton just does it job, doesn't fill
>> every available space in your browser bars with marketing hype and your
>> OS with flashing lights and sirens.
>>
>> Dubya
>>
>> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:447351c4$1@linux...
>>> Hi there Rod...Get rid of ZoneAlarm !!! it is totally useless,and causes
>>> all
>>> sorts of problems.....I also HATE Norton...their software is very
>>> "invasive",and probably mostly useless too....
>>> "john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44734fb6$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I have had great success with Mcafee. Go to www.salescircular.com and
>>> pick
>>>> your state and on the bottom pick free after rebate. Often antivirus
>>>> is
>>>> there for free.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >Hi Rod,
>>>> >
>>>> >Check out www.bitdefender.com and a program named Spyware Doctor. That
>>> might
>>>> >be all you need. The combo of the two has kept my kids PC free of
>>> spyware,
>>>> >malware, and viruses for about a year now. It was a DISASTER before
>>>> >that.
>>>> >
>>>> >Mark
>>>> >
>>>> >"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>Here's the deal. I've been running Norton Systemworks 2002 on my
>>> internet
>>>> >>comp, renewing the antivirus subscription every year. My subscription
>>> ran
>>>> >>out yesterday and upon trying to renew it, I was informed it was no
>>> longer
>>>> >>supported, and I had to upgrade to whatever 2006. Since I've read
>>>> >>some
>>>> of
>>>> >>you are down on Norton, I thought I'd ask for opinions on what to
>>>> >>switch
>>>> >>to. Sooooo....what do you guys like?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>I don't use the norton firewall. I use the free Zone Alarm one.
>>>> >>I kind of like the system tune up thing that Norton did. I don't
>>>> >>think
>>>> I've
>>>> >>had a crash...ever, on this comp.
>>>> >>Rod
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
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