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| Riding the red line again and getting errors that I can't hear. [message #56931] |
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Deej [1]
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><animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
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>>I've been playing around with a couple of these songs I'm mixing. 10 tracks
>>on one submix. I'm applying compression in SX, then lightpiping to Paris,
>>ap[plying reverb and panning and bouncing to disk. I'm mixing hot, the
>>faders are often kissing the 0dBfs limit on the individual Paris channels
>>and the submix fader is redlined almost constantly. The Global fader is
at
>>0dBfs and I've got NoLimit set with a threshold of -2 , limiting at -0.9.
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>>This mix sounds very big and I hear no distortion at all. It's really
>>reminiscent of analog tape, no harshness/brittle sound. It may be a bit
much
>>for a Bluegrass mix but it held together well and there is plenty of
>>separation.
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>>When I open it in Wavelab, it's obvious where the NoLimit was doing it's
>>thing. Certain peaks were squared off a bit.........nothing resembling
a
>>square wave situation, just a number of spots where it is visually apparent.
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>>When I run an analysis of the mix file in Wavelab, I'm getting huge amounts
>>of errors, like 1000 errors in the first 6 seconds.
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>>I wonder what's up. If NoLimit is doing something to this file which would
>>preclude it being dupliccated in reproduction plant, then I'm going to
have
>>to be much more careful. I'm also wondeering if lightpiping this
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| Re: Riding the red line again and getting errors that I can't hear. [message #56934 is a reply to message #56931] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 02:55  |
rick
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niel_burne@NOSPAMyahoo.com" target="_blank">daniel_burne@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43005fc9$1@linux...
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> Hi,
>
> Sorry to trouble y'all again but I'm having some problems with Paris 3 on
> XP and am pulling out what remains of my hair. System details below. I've
> been running Paris on 98 / ME since 1998 and have done several installs
> (probably
> about 8 on ME/98 SE), but this is my first XP boot (actually second, since
> it was unstable the first time. and still is now).
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> 1) With 1 card running, the system was unstable. It would sometimes crash,
> particularly when opening a project after having closed another project.
> Sometimes a crash would trigger the machine to reboot (i.e. just reset
> it).
> Equally (perhaps even more!) frustratingly, EDS effects presets (even in
> the main library) would not save when Paris was rebooted. Other than that,
> everything was fine.
>
> 2) Having added a second recently purchased second-hand card, I'm now
> getting
> Error 2/2 messages when I start Paris. On a few occasions the 2/2 message
> did not appear, but once Paris was started no audio would play back from
> the project. Audio on Card A would show on the meters (channel, submix and
> master); audio on Card B would show on the channel meters, but not in the
> submix or master meters).
>
> Is it possible that the EDS to EDS ribbon cables are at fault? They are
> homemade.
> I've connected one 10 pin to the same 10 pin slot on the other card, and
> the 16 pin ones are in an X. For all ribbon cables, the cable that would
> be red (but isn't as it's homemade from an IDE cable and new ends) runs
> from
> the left of the slot of one card to the left of the slot of the other card
> (hope that makes sense!).
>
> I've since tried swapping the cards around into the other ones PCI slot
> (no
> joy). I've also tried disabling one EDS (only) at a time in Device Manager
> and then launching Paris. I either get Error 2/2 (on one card) or Error
> 1/1
> (on the
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| Re: Riding the red line again and getting errors that I can't hear. [message #56937 is a reply to message #56934] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 05:41 |
cujo
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Registered: July 2005
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>I don't believe that getting this analytical about something
>will necessarly make it sound better. Why do you feel you have
>to create a specific space (unless you're trying to match it to
>an existing specific space like in Foley work, ADR, replacment
>tracks for a live multitrack performance, etc).
>
>How about this... Imagine what kind of space you'd like to hear
>that particular song in, pick one that's close to that in one of
>your verb units, then tweak as necessary to your heart's
>content - and that's the key, use your heart (emotional
>response), not your brain.
>
>Neil
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>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I'm needing to get pretty anal retentive with this stuff these days. I'm
>in
>>a very small market and I am starting to carve out a niche for myself.
The
>>engineers in the other studios around here have many more years behind
the
>>board than I do (average of around 30 years of full-time *earning a living
>>at it* kind of experience so I'm a comparative newbie)
>>
>>I've learned a few things over the years of turd polishing and doing small
>>demo projects and I'm starting to actually get some small labels sniffing
>>around my door so I must be doing something right in spite of myself and
>the
>>rather limited and haphazard education and experience I've managed to
>>accumulate.
>>
>>I'm really feelin' the need to get my head around the finer points of this
>>craft if I'm going to make a go of this. A huge part of this is soundstaging
>>and needing to spend the time to do much more than just pan a reverb send
>>here and there to create a semblance of realism. To that end I've been
doing
>>a bit of research and I'm beginning some more in depth experimentation
with
>>this. I just want to make sure that my methodology is somewhat sound and
>>that I'm not tilting at windmills here. I've got a full plate so though
>I'd
>>like to be able to spend the next 6 months floundering around learning
by
>>making mistakes (my normal MO), but I don't seem to have that luxury right
>>now.
>>
>>I figure that if I've got a group of musicians on a stage 50' wide, then
>>each panning increment in the 100-100 L/R spread equals 0.25' so for every
>>4 increments, I'm moving the performer to the left or right by 1'. For
>>example, if I wanted to position the band members within a space 30' across,
>>then from the center, to place the guitaris
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| Re: Riding the red line again and getting errors that I can't hear. [message #56953 is a reply to message #56946] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 10:49 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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o get a stable
> system.brandon, I had this problem as well.
There is aguy who sends me a flyer all the time. he advertises in Mix Mag.
His rates are not too bad, but there is some sort of 1000.00 dollar deductable.
So if one say in channele Great river neve got ripped and that is all, you;d
still be screwed. One good thing is that there is liablitly coverage, so
if someone got hurt in your studio, you'd be covered in case of a law suit.
I miss trust insurance companies so much though., it always seems that when
you need to be covered, they find away around it. I'll get you his name if
I can find the flyer.
Let meknow what you find out too.
"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I am having a hard time with my Insurance Agent getting insurance to cover
>my studio
>equipment. I am not actually running it as a business right now so I wasn't
>going to
>insure it as such...problem is they don't have a policy that will cover
over
>$1000 on
>electronics. I know it sounds outrageous to me too....
>There is also no way to upgrade that policy to cover the dollar value
>...$50,000..it's more like
>$40,000 but I didn't think it would hurt to have over coverage for growth.
>Of course that is when everything was brand new...nowadays it is probably
>worth $15,000.
>
>Anyway...who are you guys using for this?
>
>I wonder if ASCAP has something available????
>
>Should I go ahead and insure it as a business...benefits???non-benefits????
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>almost sure this is it.
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>DJ,this sounds somewhat familiar to me;)Seems like some of the
>issues I was having awhile back that you helped me on.Just like
>you I wasn't hearing much,but the waveforms looked a little
>crazy;don't think I was getting too many errors though.
>
> Try pulling down the global submix faders like someone said.That
>helped my situation.
>
>Pete
>
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>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I've been playing around with a couple of these songs I'm mixing. 10 tracks
>>on one submix. I'm applying compression in SX, then lightpiping to Paris,
>>ap[plying reverb and panning and bouncing to disk. I'm mixing hot, the
>>faders are often kissing the 0dBfs limit on the individual Paris channe
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| Re: Riding the red line again and getting errors that I can't hear. [message #56964 is a reply to message #56944] |
Tue, 16 August 2005 16:28 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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g
>>
>> by
>>
>>>>making mistakes (my normal MO), but I don't seem to have that luxury
right
>>>>now.
>>>>
>>>>I figure that if I've got a group of musicians on a stage 50' wide, then
>>>>each panning increment in the 100-100 L/R spread equals 0.25' so for
every
>>>>4 increments, I'm moving the performer to the left or right by 1'. For
>>>>example, if I wanted to position the band members within a space 30'
across,
>>>>then from the center, to place the guitarist 15' to stage left, I would
>>>
>>>pan
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>>>>him left to 60.
>>>>
>>>>This would theoretically put him 10' from the closest wall and 35' from
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>>>the
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>>>>farthest wall.
>>>>
>>>>Now a few questions about early reflections and predelay and soundstaging
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>>>in
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>>>>general, as follows:
>>>>
>>>>1. If I'm using a stereo reverb, since the performer is stage left at
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>> pan
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>>>>position 60, I would pan the reverb return to stage right 60 and set
the
>>>>ER's for the right side to around 35ms and the ER's to the left to around
>>>>10ms with the levels about 2/3 to 3/4 (or less) of the strength of the
>>>>original signal. This woulld theoretically give me a basic two dimensional
>>>>(L/R) location of the musician in an ambient space, right?
>>>>
>>>>Also, do you pan the reverb send to mirror the return? I'm just not getting
>>>>this for some reason. Seems that panning the send does nothing. Maybe
I'm
>>>>just too overwhelmed at the moment to notice.
>>>>
>>>>2. In order to get the front/back positioning of the musician relative
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>> to
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>>>>the other band members and the front/back of the room, using predealy
would
>>>>provide some dimensional space........right? what I'm not clear about
is
>>>>whether the predelay should be set for positioning the performers relative
>>>>to the fall of the space that is farthest from them or from the wall
that
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>>>is
>>>
>>>>behi
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