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| Re: Win XP Question [message #99566 is a reply to message #99563] |
Fri, 18 July 2008 17:41   |
xpam_mark
Messages: 126
Registered: March 2007
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I should add here guys that the purpose for installing the suspect drive on
another machine as a non-bootable is so that the suspect drive may be
examined for recovery without write ops anywhere on the drive until you
choose to perform them.
During any recovery op, try least invasive measures first... it takes
t....i....m....e. For example, don't run any "disc repair" or MBR fixes or
virus detection/removal. Let the recovery software do it's thing. It may
want to read the drive for a day. Then get tough if it seems worth the
risks.
W. Mark Wilson
"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote in message
news:488123b6@linux...
> CL is spot on here however, I recommend going the recovery route first.
> Each time you boot to that drive (even if to CD with that drive as primary
> HD), that drive gets some read/write action. Remove the suspect HD and
> install it in as anything other than C or Boot drive in another machine.
> Ontrack makes a great recovery package. I've successfully lifted
> everything off a fully re-formatted drive using Easy Recovery
> Professional. If ERP can't find anything, move directly to CL's final
> step. Data recovery company will want a minimum of bucks with no
> guarantee of *any* recovery and with audio projects, we all know that one
> or two little pieces of data saying bye-bye, you number one will go
> diectly to file 13.
>
> Here's a little more info on the malf you have:
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm
>
> W. Mark Wilson
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:488118f0$1@linux...
>> HI Bill,
>>
>> Get your Windows XP install disk and let the machine boot to it like your
>> doing a fresh install.
>> When it gets to the point that it is looking for drives and previous
>> windows installs and see if it detects a windows folder.
>> If not then shut down the machine and unplug any other hard drives in the
>> system. Reboot the system and let it boot tot he windows disk.
>> When you see the option to Press R to enter recover console see if it
>> lets you and finds a windows install on that drive to log into.
>> If not the then you will need to use some sort of drive recovery software
>> or send it to a data recovery company.
>> If the drive is still spinning up and is being seen in the BIOS then it
>> would seem like you MBR or partition table info got messed up some how.
>> Viruses, bad sectors etc can cause this.
>> If the data on the drive isn't critical then you should just go buy a new
>> drive and reinstall windows.
>> You could try some tricks to to fix the MBR and partition info.
>> If there is mission critical info on the drive don't bother just send it
>> to a recovery place.
>>
>> If you go a buy a new drive you can always just use the the most recent
>> backup you have of the OS drive.
>> You do have a recent backup of your OS drive don't you ? :)
>>
>> If not then I would highly recommend getting in the habit!!
>> www.paragon-software.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> One more datum. When I try to open the windows folder, it tells me the
>>> disk is not formatted. All the other folders are openable.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>>> not booted from?
>>>>
>>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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| Re: Win XP Question [message #99569 is a reply to message #99565] |
Fri, 18 July 2008 23:12 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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Aaron,
My printer is doing just that .
I'm hoping for the best for you Bill.
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:4881356a@linux...
> If his HAL.DLL is missing or corrupted, he's more screwed than to just go
> to safe mode, unfortunately. Ludwig and Wilson have it pretty well covered
> IMO - in fact, I'd recommend you guys to take notes on this so when it
> happens to you, you can have some info handy to try immediately. Print it,
> put it in a file unless you have another computer with access.
>
> AA
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:488105f7@linux...
>> Have you tried F8 when starting up from Dos to Win mode, where you can
>> get a menu with choices if there's problems?
>> If you have the original WinXP CD, you can also use the CD to install,
>> where you get choices to just repair problems in an old installation.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:48810038$1@linux...
>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>> not booted from?
>>>
>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>>
>>
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| Re: Win XP Question [message #99582 is a reply to message #99563] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 06:45 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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W,
Oh hey never seen that site before. Going in the archive!!
Thanks Chris
W. Mark Wilson wrote:
> CL is spot on here however, I recommend going the recovery route first.
> Each time you boot to that drive (even if to CD with that drive as primary
> HD), that drive gets some read/write action. Remove the suspect HD and
> install it in as anything other than C or Boot drive in another machine.
> Ontrack makes a great recovery package. I've successfully lifted everything
> off a fully re-formatted drive using Easy Recovery Professional. If ERP
> can't find anything, move directly to CL's final step. Data recovery
> company will want a minimum of bucks with no guarantee of *any* recovery
> and with audio projects, we all know that one or two little pieces of data
> saying bye-bye, you number one will go diectly to file 13.
>
> Here's a little more info on the malf you have:
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm
>
> W. Mark Wilson
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> news:488118f0$1@linux...
>
>> HI Bill,
>>
>> Get your Windows XP install disk and let the machine boot to it like your
>> doing a fresh install.
>> When it gets to the point that it is looking for drives and previous
>> windows installs and see if it detects a windows folder.
>> If not then shut down the machine and unplug any other hard drives in the
>> system. Reboot the system and let it boot tot he windows disk.
>> When you see the option to Press R to enter recover console see if it lets
>> you and finds a windows install on that drive to log into.
>> If not the then you will need to use some sort of drive recovery software
>> or send it to a data recovery company.
>> If the drive is still spinning up and is being seen in the BIOS then it
>> would seem like you MBR or partition table info got messed up some how.
>> Viruses, bad sectors etc can cause this.
>> If the data on the drive isn't critical then you should just go buy a new
>> drive and reinstall windows.
>> You could try some tricks to to fix the MBR and partition info.
>> If there is mission critical info on the drive don't bother just send it
>> to a recovery place.
>>
>> If you go a buy a new drive you can always just use the the most recent
>> backup you have of the OS drive.
>> You do have a recent backup of your OS drive don't you ? :)
>>
>> If not then I would highly recommend getting in the habit!!
>> www.paragon-software.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>
>>> One more datum. When I try to open the windows folder, it tells me the
>>> disk is not formatted. All the other folders are openable.
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>>> not booted from?
>>>>
>>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762
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| Re: Win XP Question [message #99587 is a reply to message #99585] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 10:21 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Sorry, I assumed you knew I meant to transplant the drive to another machine
for viewing, preferrably in a USB case and connected after the other machine
has booted.
My bad.
AA
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4882096c$1@linux...
> Thanks for the reply Aaron, but it's actually on the same machine but not
> booted from. with the bad hal.dll I can't boot from it at all. That's the
> problem.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> There is, but you have to take over/blow away ownership, and that could
>> make it not work on it's own anymore. It's been a while, but I had to do
>> this once in a similar situation. As I recall :
>>
>> Create an account on another computer with the same name/password.
>> Give that account admin privs on the machine.
>> Use that account log in to the machine.
>> Can you see the windows directory now?
>>
>> I'm not 100% on this, and the SID might not allow it since that won't be
>> the same but it seems like on XP pre SP1 I was able to pull it off that
>> way. Things may have changed since then.
>>
>> have you tried http://support.microsoft.com for researching answers?
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Bill L" <billlorentzen@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4881ed0d$1@linux...
>>> Hey Guys, thanks for all the helpful suggestions. However, maybe I did
>>> not
>>> make my point well. The drive does not seem damaged. Only the hal.dll
>>> file.
>>>
>>> I have tried booting off another drive I have so I could simply replace
>>> the
>>> file on the problem drive but when I try to open the windows folder it
>>> tells
>>> me the drive is corrupted. Only the windows folder. All the other data
>>> is
>>> fine and accessible.
>>> There are many fixes for hal problem listed on the web, all of which I
>>> tried
>>> already. I just need to know if there is a way to access the windows
>>> folder
>>> on a drive on which you are not booted?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>>> not booted from?
>>>>
>>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>>
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| Re: Win XP Question [message #99588 is a reply to message #99582] |
Sat, 19 July 2008 12:41 |
xpam_mark
Messages: 126
Registered: March 2007
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Yeah, it's a good find CL. These finds are a waste of nook&cranny space on
your hard drive... that is until the completely perfect time a perfect
problem rears its' ugly head.... like this HAL.DLL thing.... conjures up an
"open the pod bay door" moment for me.
How about a new reality TV show for geeks... "When Dynamic Link Librairies
Attack."
I like these guys... they have straightforward stuff that gets pretty
deep.... even the simple mind can follow most of it.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:4881f1e1@linux...
> W,
> Oh hey never seen that site before. Going in the archive!!
> Thanks Chris
>
>
> W. Mark Wilson wrote:
>> CL is spot on here however, I recommend going the recovery route first.
>> Each time you boot to that drive (even if to CD with that drive as
>> primary HD), that drive gets some read/write action. Remove the suspect
>> HD and install it in as anything other than C or Boot drive in another
>> machine. Ontrack makes a great recovery package. I've successfully
>> lifted everything off a fully re-formatted drive using Easy Recovery
>> Professional. If ERP can't find anything, move directly to CL's final
>> step. Data recovery company will want a minimum of bucks with no
>> guarantee of *any* recovery and with audio projects, we all know that one
>> or two little pieces of data saying bye-bye, you number one will go
>> diectly to file 13.
>>
>> Here's a little more info on the malf you have:
>> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_haldll_missing.htm
>>
>> W. Mark Wilson
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
>> news:488118f0$1@linux...
>>
>>> HI Bill,
>>>
>>> Get your Windows XP install disk and let the machine boot to it like
>>> your doing a fresh install.
>>> When it gets to the point that it is looking for drives and previous
>>> windows installs and see if it detects a windows folder.
>>> If not then shut down the machine and unplug any other hard drives in
>>> the system. Reboot the system and let it boot tot he windows disk.
>>> When you see the option to Press R to enter recover console see if it
>>> lets you and finds a windows install on that drive to log into.
>>> If not the then you will need to use some sort of drive recovery
>>> software or send it to a data recovery company.
>>> If the drive is still spinning up and is being seen in the BIOS then it
>>> would seem like you MBR or partition table info got messed up some how.
>>> Viruses, bad sectors etc can cause this.
>>> If the data on the drive isn't critical then you should just go buy a
>>> new drive and reinstall windows.
>>> You could try some tricks to to fix the MBR and partition info.
>>> If there is mission critical info on the drive don't bother just send it
>>> to a recovery place.
>>>
>>> If you go a buy a new drive you can always just use the the most recent
>>> backup you have of the OS drive.
>>> You do have a recent backup of your OS drive don't you ? :)
>>>
>>> If not then I would highly recommend getting in the habit!!
>>> www.paragon-software.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>
>>>> One more datum. When I try to open the windows folder, it tells me the
>>>> disk is not formatted. All the other folders are openable.
>>>>
>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know how I can open the windows folder on a boot disk that I am
>>>>> not booted from?
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a corrupted hal.dll and need to fix it somehow. 5 hours and I'm
>>>>> still nowhere. Oy!
>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762
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