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| More guitar geekdom [message #92468] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 08:36  |
TCB
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OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two of the
three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to shell
out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox with
a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs and/or
speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty, no
Linkin Park crunch here.
Thanks,
TCB
P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender Deluxe.
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92471 is a reply to message #92468] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 11:53  |
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I've become a 12" speaker guy in my old age but I used to swear by Vibrolux
and Super Reverbs. I recently subbed for a friend on a church worship band
gig thru a '80's Paul Rivera Concert amp w/ 2-10" speakers and it sounded
incredible.
Gantt
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two of
the
>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to shell
>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox with
>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs and/or
>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty, no
>Linkin Park crunch here.
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>Thanks,
>
>TCB
>
>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender Deluxe.
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92475 is a reply to message #92468] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 13:52 |
dc[3]
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Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
Here's some options:
http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
and he also sells cabinets.
http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
These may be the best out there:
http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
Hempcones.
The URL above is for the ceramic version.
They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner and
don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
1300 or so for alnico.
This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
used either in a while so I can't comment
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two of
the
>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to shell
>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox with
>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs and/or
>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty, no
>Linkin Park crunch here.
>
>Thanks,
>
>TCB
>
>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender Deluxe.
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92520 is a reply to message #92487] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 07:29 |
TCB
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Two of the three singers in the Monx (one of them being me) are using the
BB for all of our lead vox. The third singer has a much thinner, reedier
voice and we still haven't settled on a mic for him yet. I'm not convinced
the BB is the right one for him, but we'll keep on looking.
I use really low wattage amps and don't use a ton of volume so I can throw
pretty much all of my mics on the amps I use. I've been having a ball moving
things around and trying all of the various combinations to get what I want
out of my amps. Guitars are probably the most fun for me to record because
the other guys are out of the room and I just set up the Langevin pre, put
all of the mics on stands and play around until I hear something I really
like. I'm so familiar with the was Cubase works that all of that is as transparent
as cellophane. The only danger is sometimes I screw around TOO much and don't
get enough done.
TCB
"Neil" <OIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a
>>Fender Deluxe.
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>Thadster, glad that's working out for you... it's a really
>great mic for certain things... there are mics that work "ok"
>on lotsa stuff, and mics that are "killer" on certain things,
>but just may not be right for others; the Baby Bottle is one of
>those, IMO. It certainly pays off to have some of the former,
>but it really rocks if you can have some of the latter, as well.
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>Male lead vox, too - give it a shot on that if you haven't
>already!
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>Neil
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92552 is a reply to message #92531] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 20:23 |
TCB
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Thanks for the tips Neil. I think in this case the proximity with the Claytor
mic would be good. Trying to add a little body.
As I said in another post, sorry to lean on y'all.
Hope all is well,
TCB
"Neil" <OIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Two of the three singers in the Monx (one of them being me) are using the
>>BB for all of our lead vox. The third singer has a much thinner, reedier
>>voice and we still haven't settled on a mic for him yet. I'm not convinced
>>the BB is the right one for him, but we'll keep on looking.
>
>What do you want the mic to do? Emphasize that thin/reediness,
>or are you trying to thicken his voice up a bit? If it's the
>former, consider a Bluebird, if it's the latter, try an RE-20!
>(Just throwing out a couple of ideas in the $500-ish price
>range). The preamp, of course will make a difference, but those
>are some good starting points. Or you could use that
>Claytor-67 & get him in close for the proximity effect to
>fatten him up a bit.
>
>Neil
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92560 is a reply to message #92552] |
Thu, 08 November 2007 21:42 |
Neil
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"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Thanks for the tips Neil. I think in this case the proximity with the Claytor
>mic would be good. Trying to add a little body.
Kewl - then if that's what you're going for, consider also
pairing it with a preamp that's a bit "slower", if you know
what I mean... that'll tend to emphasize the low-end harmonics
even more. Make it more "glue-y", so to speak. :) I don't
know which preamps you have so, I can't make a specific
recommendation, but I think you get the idea. Slower or perhaps
even "woolier" would be good.
>>As I said in another post, sorry to lean on y'all.
Why are you apologizing for that? That's the whole point of
this group!
Oh, and BTW, re: your mics... get some silica gel packets &
store your mics with one in each mic box. Under your conditions
as described, I'd probably use them for the dynamics, as well,
though normally you mainly have to worry about condensor mics
in that regard, it sounds like your practice/recording place
might be subject to some pretty harsh climatic shifts (i.e.
warm when you guys are in there, well below zero when you're
not). Taking your mics home like Tom suggested ain't a bad idea,
either, and would probably be my choice - heck, if you're
boxing them up each time, how hard is it to then toss the boxes
in a milk crate/bigger box/whatever?
And finally, if you EVER have to leave them set up on
stands 'til next session, stick a ziplock bag over the mic with
a silica gel pak taped to the inside of the bag, zip it almost
tightly closed around the mic or mic/mount/stand - IOW, enough
to keep dust out, but not keep all the humidity in; the gel pak
will take care of the rest.
Neil
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92569 is a reply to message #92560] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 08:26 |
TCB
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Thanks for the tips Neil. I think in this case the proximity with the Claytor
>>mic would be good. Trying to add a little body.
>
>Kewl - then if that's what you're going for, consider also
>pairing it with a preamp that's a bit "slower", if you know
>what I mean... that'll tend to emphasize the low-end harmonics
>even more. Make it more "glue-y", so to speak. :) I don't
>know which preamps you have so, I can't make a specific
>recommendation, but I think you get the idea. Slower or perhaps
>even "woolier" would be good.
I'll try everything but I'm leaning toward the Langevin dual vocal combo
that I have. In addition to sounding very good the comp seems to be very
nice for a few db of compression on the way to disk. I have a bunch of stuff
but I've been using pretty much that or the Syteks on everything.
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>>>As I said in another post, sorry to lean on y'all.
>
>Why are you apologizing for that? That's the whole point of
>this group!
>
>Oh, and BTW, re: your mics... get some silica gel packets &
>store your mics with one in each mic box. Under your conditions
>as described, I'd probably use them for the dynamics, as well,
>though normally you mainly have to worry about condensor mics
>in that regard, it sounds like your practice/recording place
>might be subject to some pretty harsh climatic shifts (i.e.
>warm when you guys are in there, well below zero when you're
>not). Taking your mics home like Tom suggested ain't a bad idea,
>either, and would probably be my choice - heck, if you're
>boxing them up each time, how hard is it to then toss the boxes
>in a milk crate/bigger box/whatever?
Believe me, I wish I could. The problem is that in addition to playing in
this band, doing my own music, mixing for other people, DJ'ing, occasionally
getting eating and/or getting laid, I also work as an IT geek at the most
successful investments organization in the world. So if the mics are in my
house then whenever anyone else in the band wants to lay down so much as
a shaker I have to drive 25 minutes out there, wait, and then drive back.
No can do.
The silica gel packs are a good idea, thanks. The cabinet where the mics
are won't be freezing, it will just be cold. I told the guys who will be
using them when I'm not there to give them plenty of time to warm up before
starting. Because of the punk rock teenagers nothing is ever left out between
tracking sessions so there's usually a fair amount of time setting up stands/shock
mounts/amps and so on. I think that will usually be enough time to let everything
warm up.
Thanks again,
TCB
>And finally, if you EVER have to leave them set up on
>stands 'til next session, stick a ziplock bag over the mic with
>a silica gel pak taped to the inside of the bag, zip it almost
>tightly closed around the mic or mic/mount/stand - IOW, enough
>to keep dust out, but not keep all the humidity in; the gel pak
>will take care of the rest.
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>Neil
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92654 is a reply to message #92475] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 21:07 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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no naylors?
http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
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> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>
> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>
> Here's some options:
>
> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
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>
> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>
> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>
> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
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> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
> and he also sells cabinets.
>
> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
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> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>
>
> These may be the best out there:
>
> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>
> Hempcones.
>
> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner and
> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>
> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>
> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>
> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
> 1300 or so for alnico.
>
>
>
> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>
> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
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>
>
> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
> used either in a while so I can't comment
>
> DC
>
>
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> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two of
> the
>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to shell
>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox with
>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs
>>and/or
>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty, no
>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>Deluxe.
>>
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92656 is a reply to message #92654] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 23:14 |
dc[3]
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Dang!! I can't try every speaker in the world... I'd never get any work
done.
How are they?
DC
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>no naylors?
>http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
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>AA
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>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
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>> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
>> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
>> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>>
>> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>>
>> Here's some options:
>>
>> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
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>>
>> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
>> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>>
>> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>>
>> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
>> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
>> and he also sells cabinets.
>>
>> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
>>
>> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
>> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>>
>>
>> These may be the best out there:
>>
>> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>>
>> Hempcones.
>>
>> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
>> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
>> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
>> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
>> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner
and
>> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>>
>> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>>
>> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>>
>> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
>> 1300 or so for alnico.
>>
>>
>>
>> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>>
>> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
>>
>>
>>
>> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
>> used either in a while so I can't comment
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two
of
>> the
>>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to shell
>>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox
with
>>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs
>>>and/or
>>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty,
no
>>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>>Deluxe.
>>>
>>
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92658 is a reply to message #92656] |
Mon, 12 November 2007 22:38 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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I guess that's opinion, and I'm into the brown sound thing, but what I heard
was this:
They're a little stiff at first, as most speakers tend to be, but once
loosened up properly they are warm and focused but not dry. I don't know how
they wear after a period of time, didn't buy in at the time I listened as I
wasn't doing the gtr gig/couldn't justify. They have more bottom than
celestion but aren't as fuzzy as say a Jensen horse shoe mag. Kinda reminded
me of an old set of Altec's I had once. I bet they'd rock in a JC120.
On a semi-related note, the best gtr cab I played through, probably ever,
for what I dig was an old 6x10 ampeg. focus focus focus perfect rock'n'roll
cab.. gtr player could kill himself and not slaughter the innocent on stage
or in the first row because the slant (what the hell is wrong with gtr
players that listen with it pointed at their pants legs, anyway?) allowed
him to hear perfectly w/o 120dB on the stage volume.
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:473940bc$1@linux...
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> Dang!! I can't try every speaker in the world... I'd never get any work
> done.
>
> How are they?
>
> DC
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>no naylors?
>>http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
>>> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
>>> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>>>
>>> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>>>
>>> Here's some options:
>>>
>>> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
>>>
>>>
>>> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
>>> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>>>
>>> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>>>
>>> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
>>> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
>>> and he also sells cabinets.
>>>
>>> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
>>>
>>> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
>>> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>>>
>>>
>>> These may be the best out there:
>>>
>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>>>
>>> Hempcones.
>>>
>>> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
>>> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
>>> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
>>> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
>>> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner
> and
>>> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>>>
>>> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>>>
>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>>>
>>> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
>>> 1300 or so for alnico.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>>>
>>> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
>>> used either in a while so I can't comment
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two
> of
>>> the
>>>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to
>>>>shell
>>>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox
> with
>>>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs
>
>>>>and/or
>>>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty,
> no
>>>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>>>Deluxe.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92661 is a reply to message #92658] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 08:48 |
dc[3]
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Cool. There's so much good gear out there now.
DC
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I guess that's opinion, and I'm into the brown sound thing, but what I heard
>was this:
>They're a little stiff at first, as most speakers tend to be, but once
>loosened up properly they are warm and focused but not dry. I don't know
how
>they wear after a period of time, didn't buy in at the time I listened as
I
>wasn't doing the gtr gig/couldn't justify. They have more bottom than
>celestion but aren't as fuzzy as say a Jensen horse shoe mag. Kinda reminded
>me of an old set of Altec's I had once. I bet they'd rock in a JC120.
>
>On a semi-related note, the best gtr cab I played through, probably ever,
>for what I dig was an old 6x10 ampeg. focus focus focus perfect rock'n'roll
>cab.. gtr player could kill himself and not slaughter the innocent on stage
>or in the first row because the slant (what the hell is wrong with gtr
>players that listen with it pointed at their pants legs, anyway?) allowed
>him to hear perfectly w/o 120dB on the stage volume.
>
>AA
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:473940bc$1@linux...
>>
>> Dang!! I can't try every speaker in the world... I'd never get any work
>> done.
>>
>> How are they?
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>no naylors?
>>>http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
>>>> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
>>>> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>>>>
>>>> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>>>>
>>>> Here's some options:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
>>>> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>>>>
>>>> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
>>>> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
>>>> and he also sells cabinets.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
>>>>
>>>> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
>>>> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These may be the best out there:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>>>>
>>>> Hempcones.
>>>>
>>>> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
>>>> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
>>>> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
>>>> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
>>>> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner
>> and
>>>> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>>>>
>>>> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>>>>
>>>> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
>>>> 1300 or so for alnico.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
>>>> used either in a while so I can't comment
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to
>>>>>shell
>>>>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox
>> with
>>>>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs
>>
>>>>>and/or
>>>>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty,
>> no
>>>>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>>>>Deluxe.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92664 is a reply to message #92661] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 08:33 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Man, I can't agree more. We push and stretch and complain about imaging and
the smallest of things when artists like Ella or Woody Herman had next to
nothing, and no overdub capability much less Autotune, digital reproduction
or even solid state. Guess it's just our nature as audio scientists, 'eh?
Times are good, and it's more on the artists at this point IMO.
AA
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4739c745$1@linux...
>
> Cool. There's so much good gear out there now.
>
> DC
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I guess that's opinion, and I'm into the brown sound thing, but what I
>>heard
>
>>was this:
>>They're a little stiff at first, as most speakers tend to be, but once
>>loosened up properly they are warm and focused but not dry. I don't know
> how
>>they wear after a period of time, didn't buy in at the time I listened as
> I
>>wasn't doing the gtr gig/couldn't justify. They have more bottom than
>>celestion but aren't as fuzzy as say a Jensen horse shoe mag. Kinda
>>reminded
>
>>me of an old set of Altec's I had once. I bet they'd rock in a JC120.
>>
>>On a semi-related note, the best gtr cab I played through, probably ever,
>
>>for what I dig was an old 6x10 ampeg. focus focus focus perfect
>>rock'n'roll
>
>>cab.. gtr player could kill himself and not slaughter the innocent on
>>stage
>
>>or in the first row because the slant (what the hell is wrong with gtr
>>players that listen with it pointed at their pants legs, anyway?) allowed
>
>>him to hear perfectly w/o 120dB on the stage volume.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:473940bc$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Dang!! I can't try every speaker in the world... I'd never get any
>>> work
>>> done.
>>>
>>> How are they?
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>no naylors?
>>>>http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
>>>>> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
>>>>> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>>>>>
>>>>> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's some options:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
>>>>> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
>>>>> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
>>>>> and he also sells cabinets.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
>>>>>
>>>>> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
>>>>> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These may be the best out there:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Hempcones.
>>>>>
>>>>> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
>>>>> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
>>>>> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
>>>>> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
>>>>> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner
>>> and
>>>>> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>>>>>
>>>>> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
>>>>> 1300 or so for alnico.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
>>>>> used either in a while so I can't comment
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses. Two
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going to
>
>>>>>>shell
>>>>>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox
>>> with
>>>>>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10 cabs
>>>
>>>>>>and/or
>>>>>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty,
>>> no
>>>>>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>>>>>Deluxe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: More guitar geekdom [message #92668 is a reply to message #92664] |
Tue, 13 November 2007 12:20 |
dc[3]
Messages: 895
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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Part of it is simply us aging. We only noticed fidelity if it was
really bad when we were teenagers because of the passionate
relationship we had with the music itself. Now that we are older,
we look to accuracy, clarity and fidelity to produce that same
response in us, but it never will.
I love having great tools, but that's all they are.
DC
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Man, I can't agree more. We push and stretch and complain about imaging
and
>the smallest of things when artists like Ella or Woody Herman had next to
>nothing, and no overdub capability much less Autotune, digital reproduction
>or even solid state. Guess it's just our nature as audio scientists, 'eh?
>Times are good, and it's more on the artists at this point IMO.
>
>AA
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4739c745$1@linux...
>>
>> Cool. There's so much good gear out there now.
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>I guess that's opinion, and I'm into the brown sound thing, but what I
>>>heard
>>
>>>was this:
>>>They're a little stiff at first, as most speakers tend to be, but once
>>>loosened up properly they are warm and focused but not dry. I don't know
>> how
>>>they wear after a period of time, didn't buy in at the time I listened
as
>> I
>>>wasn't doing the gtr gig/couldn't justify. They have more bottom than
>>>celestion but aren't as fuzzy as say a Jensen horse shoe mag. Kinda
>>>reminded
>>
>>>me of an old set of Altec's I had once. I bet they'd rock in a JC120.
>>>
>>>On a semi-related note, the best gtr cab I played through, probably ever,
>>
>>>for what I dig was an old 6x10 ampeg. focus focus focus perfect
>>>rock'n'roll
>>
>>>cab.. gtr player could kill himself and not slaughter the innocent on
>>>stage
>>
>>>or in the first row because the slant (what the hell is wrong with gtr
>>>players that listen with it pointed at their pants legs, anyway?) allowed
>>
>>>him to hear perfectly w/o 120dB on the stage volume.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:473940bc$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Dang!! I can't try every speaker in the world... I'd never get any
>>>> work
>>>> done.
>>>>
>>>> How are they?
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>no naylors?
>>>>>http://www.naylorengineering.com/index.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4732257a$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Assuming you find a speaker you really like, one 10 will sound
>>>>>> different than 2 and a lot different than 4. I would go 4x10
>>>>>> as a minimum if you want to get close to what you heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 10's are fast, punchy, and clear. I love 'em.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's some options:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eminence.com/guitar.asp?speaker_size=10
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fane went BK after a big flood and were bought by another
>>>>>> outfit and evidently will be back. These guys sell them:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.loudspeakersplus.com/html/fane_10_12_guitar.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay away from the alnico. Bought one. HATED it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several friends have told me that this guy has some of the best
>>>>>> speakers out there today. He has them custom made by Weber
>>>>>> and he also sells cabinets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there are a couple of 10's down the page a bit. His stuff is
>>>>>> all "vintage marshall greenback" style.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These may be the best out there:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/specs10c8.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hempcones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The URL above is for the ceramic version.
>>>>>> They also offer alnico-magnet speakers. I like ceramic a lot
>>>>>> better, but the vintage guys like the way the alnicos crap out
>>>>>> when you push them (when alnico magnets get warm the
>>>>>> gauss goes down and they get weaker) Ceramic are clearer and cleaner
>>>> and
>>>>>> don't wimp out after an hour of hard playing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TT also offers their speakers in cabinets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tonetubby.com/cabinet.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 4x10 with ceramic is 945. Not cheap, but better than the
>>>>>> 1300 or so for alnico.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This guy builds beautiful cabinets:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.stoneagecustomcabinets.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And of course, there is always Jensen and Celestion. I haven't
>>>>>> used either in a while so I can't comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK guys, saw a STAGGERINGLY good band last night, Band of Horses.
Two
>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>three(!) guitarists used Fender 8x10 cabs. I'm probably not going
to
>>
>>>>>>>shell
>>>>>>>out for that, but I've been thinking of running one of my 1x12 combox
>>>> with
>>>>>>>a 10" speaker. Any strong opinions on great sounding 2x10 or 4x10
cabs
>>>>
>>>>>>>and/or
>>>>>>>speakers to put in them? We're looking for clean to moderately gritty,
>>>> no
>>>>>>>Linkin Park crunch here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>P.S. Neil, that Baby Bottle you sold me sounds damn fine on a Fender
>>>>>>>Deluxe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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