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Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65210] Mon, 06 March 2006 22:53 Go to next message
Pete Ruthenburg is currently offline  Pete Ruthenburg   
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First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
wasn't sure if that was up to the job.

What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?

TIA,
Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65212 is a reply to message #65210] Mon, 06 March 2006 23:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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Dither shmither. Just mix at 16 bits and truncate.
Seriously, the wavelab apogee dither is real nice, but I used the free dither
app for a long time that was provided by some one here and it was great fokr
most stuff. It doesn't sound as good on the key jingle test, but for most
real world stuff it sounds fine, if you don't want to spend the buckage.
The normal wavelab dither is probably OK also, I've never used it though.
Rod
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>
>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>
>TIA,
>Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65215 is a reply to message #65212] Mon, 06 March 2006 23:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Pete Ruthenburg is currently offline  Pete Ruthenburg   
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So Rob,you don't dither at all?

I've previously done mixes just at 16 bit,but i've been
wondering if I should be mixing at 24 bit then dithering down at
the end.

Thanks,
Pete


"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote:
>
>Dither shmither. Just mix at 16 bits and truncate.
>Seriously, the wavelab apogee dither is real nice, but I used the free dither
>app for a long time that was provided by some one here and it was great
fokr
>most stuff. It doesn't sound as good on the key jingle test, but for most
>real world stuff it sounds fine, if you don't want to spend the buckage.
>The normal wavelab dither is probably OK also, I've never used it though.
>Rod
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>>
>>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>>
>>TIA,
>>Pete
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65217 is a reply to message #65210] Mon, 06 March 2006 23:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jamey Tiffee is currently offline  Jamey Tiffee   UNITED STATES
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POWr Dither the best out there IMO I use it in Samplitude here is an
article on it.
http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr-par.shtml


Pete Ruthenburg wrote:
> First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>
> What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>
> TIA,
> Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65222 is a reply to message #65212] Tue, 07 March 2006 07:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Miguel Vigil [1] is currently offline  Miguel Vigil [1]   UNITED STATES
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but I used the free dither
> app for a long time that was provided by some one here and it was great
fokr


Maybe R8brain...
http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/

a lot of folk here claimed success for this freebee...




El Miguel









"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dither shmither. Just mix at 16 bits and truncate.
> Seriously, the wavelab apogee dither is real nice, but I used the free
dither
> app for a long time that was provided by some one here and it was great
fokr
> most stuff. It doesn't sound as good on the key jingle test, but for most
> real world stuff it sounds fine, if you don't want to spend the buckage.
> The normal wavelab dither is probably OK also, I've never used it though.
> Rod
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> >Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> >wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
> >
> >What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
> >
> >TIA,
> >Pete
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65223 is a reply to message #65210] Tue, 07 March 2006 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RZ is currently offline  RZ   UNITED STATES
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Mix well in Paris. Convert 24 bit Paris files to WAV. with PAF/WAV.
converter. Open in Sound Forge, peak limit to taste with Waves L1 while
dithering down to 16 bit. If your mixes sound great in Paris, this will
give you great results.

RZ

"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>
> What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>
> TIA,
> Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65224 is a reply to message #65215] Tue, 07 March 2006 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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If it's loud rock stuff, I don't see the need. My meters just don't ever go
down that low for it to matter. If it's quiet accoustic music, then I dither.
Rod
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>So Rob,you don't dither at all?
>
>I've previously done mixes just at 16 bit,but i've been
>wondering if I should be mixing at 24 bit then dithering down at
>the end.
>
>Thanks,
>Pete
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.r.com> wrote:
>>
>>Dither shmither. Just mix at 16 bits and truncate.
>>Seriously, the wavelab apogee dither is real nice, but I used the free
dither
>>app for a long time that was provided by some one here and it was great
>fokr
>>most stuff. It doesn't sound as good on the key jingle test, but for most
>>real world stuff it sounds fine, if you don't want to spend the buckage.
>>The normal wavelab dither is probably OK also, I've never used it though.
>>Rod
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>>>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>>>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>>>
>>>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>Pete
>>
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65277 is a reply to message #65223] Thu, 09 March 2006 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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I'm using the L2 on my mixes right now. I also have the UAD mastering tools,
but I'm finding that I like Waves processing, at least for this project.
It's a little less colored. My color is coming from the Paris mix bus which
already has NoLimit strapped across the global fader kissing the mix so I
don't want to add any more color to this. I like what L2 is (not) doing.

Deej

"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:440dcfe9$1@linux...
> Mix well in Paris. Convert 24 bit Paris files to WAV. with PAF/WAV.
> converter. Open in Sound Forge, peak limit to taste with Waves L1 while
> dithering down to 16 bit. If your mixes sound great in Paris, this will
> give you great results.
>
> RZ
>
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:440d1fc6$1@linux...
> >
> > First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> > Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> > wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
> >
> > What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
> >
> > TIA,
> > Pete
>
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65282 is a reply to message #65277] Thu, 09 March 2006 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan B is currently offline  Dan B
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Hi Deej - just to check:
you mix in paris with No Limit (settings'd be nice :)), and then take it
to soundforge to dither with L2? (Otherwise I can't see a way of getting
the L2 to dither the whole mix within Paris, at least effectively).
Thanks,
Dan

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I'm using the L2 on my mixes right now. I also have the UAD mastering tools,
>but I'm finding that I like Waves processing, at least for this project.
>It's a little less colored. My color is coming from the Paris mix bus which
>already has NoLimit strapped across the global fader kissing the mix so
I
>don't want to add any more color to this. I like what L2 is (not) doing.
>
>Deej
>
>"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:440dcfe9$1@linux...
>> Mix well in Paris. Convert 24 bit Paris files to WAV. with PAF/WAV.
>> converter. Open in Sound Forge, peak limit to taste with Waves L1 while
>> dithering down to 16 bit. If your mixes sound great in Paris, this will
>> give you great results.
>>
>> RZ
>>
>> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:440d1fc6$1@linux...
>> >
>> > First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>> > Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>> > wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>> >
>> > What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>> >
>> > TIA,
>> > Pete
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65286 is a reply to message #65282] Thu, 09 March 2006 14:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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On this project, I've got NoLimit set to .09 threshold and 0.2dB limiting.
The Cubase channel faders are driving the Paris channels.
The Paris channel faders are driving the Paris submix aggressively or
mildly, depending on the song and the submix fader levels are driving the
the mix bus.






wrote in message news:44107083$1@linux...
>
> Hi Deej - just to check:
> you mix in paris with No Limit (settings'd be nice :)), and then take it
> to soundforge to dither with L2? (Otherwise I can't see a way of getting
> the L2 to dither the whole mix within Paris, at least effectively).
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm using the L2 on my mixes right now. I also have the UAD mastering
tools,
> >but I'm finding that I like Waves processing, at least for this project.
> >It's a little less colored. My color is coming from the Paris mix bus
which
> >already has NoLimit strapped across the global fader kissing the mix so
> I
> >don't want to add any more color to this. I like what L2 is (not) doing.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:440dcfe9$1@linux...
> >> Mix well in Paris. Convert 24 bit Paris files to WAV. with PAF/WAV.
> >> converter. Open in Sound Forge, peak limit to taste with Waves L1
while
> >> dithering down to 16 bit. If your mixes sound great in Paris, this
will
> >> give you great results.
> >>
> >> RZ
> >>
> >> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:440d1fc6$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> >> > Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> >> > wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
> >> >
> >> > What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
> >> >
> >> > TIA,
> >> > Pete
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65287 is a reply to message #65282] Thu, 09 March 2006 14:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Deej [1] is currently offline  Deej [1]   UNITED STATES
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Oh yeah.......I forgot to answer your question. I'm applying L2 in Wavelab.

;o}

"Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hi Deej - just to check:
> you mix in paris with No Limit (settings'd be nice :)), and then take it
> to soundforge to dither with L2? (Otherwise I can't see a way of getting
> the L2 to dither the whole mix within Paris, at least effectively).
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I'm using the L2 on my mixes right now. I also have the UAD mastering
tools,
> >but I'm finding that I like Waves processing, at least for this project.
> >It's a little less colored. My color is coming from the Paris mix bus
which
> >already has NoLimit strapped across the global fader kissing the mix so
> I
> >don't want to add any more color to this. I like what L2 is (not) doing.
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"RZ" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:440dcfe9$1@linux...
> >> Mix well in Paris. Convert 24 bit Paris files to WAV. with PAF/WAV.
> >> converter. Open in Sound Forge, peak limit to taste with Waves L1
while
> >> dithering down to 16 bit. If your mixes sound great in Paris, this
will
> >> give you great results.
> >>
> >> RZ
> >>
> >> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >> news:440d1fc6$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> >> > Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> >> > wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
> >> >
> >> > What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
> >> >
> >> > TIA,
> >> > Pete
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65311 is a reply to message #65210] Fri, 10 March 2006 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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I’m into POW-r.
http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr.shtml

I have it available in a few programs including WaveBurner (Logic) and Bias
Peak.

Bob Katz review:
http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr-par.shtml

I agree..this is the good shit.
gene




"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>
>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>
>TIA,
>Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65320 is a reply to message #65311] Sat, 11 March 2006 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
DMorrell is currently offline  DMorrell   UNITED STATES
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I use the same (POW-r) via Samplitude. I also use Cranesong's analog
noise "dither"... especially on acoustic projects. It's laid in one
an empty track and tweaked to taste.

Gene - have you tried it?

Peace - Don

On 11 Mar 2006 10:12:41 +1000, "gene lennon"
<glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:

>
>I’m into POW-r.
>http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr.shtml
>
>I have it available in a few programs including WaveBurner (Logic) and Bias
>Peak.
>
>Bob Katz review:
>http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr-par.shtml
>
>I agree..this is the good shit.
>gene
>
>
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>>
>>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>>
>>TIA,
>>Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #65321 is a reply to message #65320] Sat, 11 March 2006 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gene lennon is currently offline  gene lennon
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Not yet but several people I trust speak highly of it.
Gene

DMorrell <don@toneworks.com> wrote:
>I use the same (POW-r) via Samplitude. I also use Cranesong's analog
>noise "dither"... especially on acoustic projects. It's laid in one
>an empty track and tweaked to taste.
>
>Gene - have you tried it?
>
>Peace - Don
>
>On 11 Mar 2006 10:12:41 +1000, "gene lennon"
><glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I’m into POW-r.
>>http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr.shtml
>>
>>I have it available in a few programs including WaveBurner (Logic) and
Bias
>>Peak.
>>
>>Bob Katz review:
>>http://www.mil-media.com/docs/articles/powr-par.shtml
>>
>>I agree..this is the good shit.
>>gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
>>>Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
>>>wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>>>
>>>What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>Pete
Re: Dithering-What are you using for final mixes? [message #66048 is a reply to message #65210] Sun, 02 April 2006 09:13 Go to previous message
andrea perini is currently offline  andrea perini   ITALY
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To my taste POW-r is the best sounding, but in its SHAPE 2. The higher
resolution "3" makes the master too thin sounding and crispy.
Ciao

"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> First off I don't have Wavelab,but was looking at getting the
> Essential version.Looks like it comes with internal dithering,
> wasn't sure if that was up to the job.
>
> What else are people using for dithering Paris final mixes?
>
> TIA,
> Pete
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