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Paris pitch bend [message #66413]

Sun, 09 April 2006 18:19

uptown jimmy

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How well does it work?

Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up 10%?

I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back in
the day.

Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.

Jimmy

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66419 is a reply to message #66413]

Sun, 09 April 2006 19:04

Kim
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Registered: October 2005

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There are far better ways to change pitch.

Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp crack
into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as they
are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use, and
mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or something.
After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple of
db.

I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for dissapointment.

Cheers,
Kim.

"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>How well does it work?
>
>Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up
10%?
>
>I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
in
>the day.
>
>Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>
>Jimmy
>
>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66420 is a reply to message #66413]

Sun, 09 April 2006 19:21

Edna Sloan

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The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which is quite
limited.
E
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4439b478$1@linux...
> How well does it work?
>
> Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up
10%?
>
> I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
in
> the day.
>
> Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66421 is a reply to message #66420]

Sun, 09 April 2006 19:32

Kim
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"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which is quite
>limited.
Actually that's true I don't think you can even change the speed.

Cheers,
Kim.

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66422 is a reply to message #66421]

Sun, 09 April 2006 19:56

Edna Sloan

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While you're playing back something, change the sample rate and it will
speed/slow down depending on which way you are going. Did this by accident
once. 44.1 or 48 are the only options though.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439c3c2$1@linux...
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which is
quite
> >limited.
> Actually that's true I don't think you can even change the speed.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66423 is a reply to message #66422]

Sun, 09 April 2006 20:08

Tom Bruhl

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Uptown,
I think you can get an ADAT with tape speed to vary about a whole step
in either direction or 1/6th.
Tom
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4439cb31@linux...
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>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which =
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> >limited.
> Actually that's true I don't think you can even change the speed.
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> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66424 is a reply to message #66423]

Sun, 09 April 2006 20:18

Edna Sloan

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yup. I wonder if theres any software for that?
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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Uptown,
I think you can get an ADAT with tape speed to vary about a whole step
in either direction or 1/6th.
Tom
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:4439cb31@linux...
While you're playing back something, change the sample rate and it =
will
speed/slow down depending on which way you are going. Did this by =
accident
once. 44.1 or 48 are the only options though.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:4439c3c2$1@linux...
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which =
is
quite
> >limited.
> Actually that's true I don't think you can even change the speed.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66428 is a reply to message #66422]

Sun, 09 April 2006 22:49

audioguy_editout_

Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005

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I used to do this by taking the WC out of a DA88 and feeding
it to Paris. I would varyspeed the DA88 to get Paris to
pitch up or down. Worked great.

David.

Edna wrote:
> While you're playing back something, change the sample rate and it will
> speed/slow down depending on which way you are going. Did this by accident
> once. 44.1 or 48 are the only options though.
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439c3c2$1@linux...
>
>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The only speed change AFAIK is by changing the sample rate, which is
>
> quite
>
>>>limited.
>>
>>Actually that's true I don't think you can even change the speed.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>
>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66429 is a reply to message #66419]

Mon, 10 April 2006 00:11

erlilo

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Registered: June 2005

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What about Melodyne? I have often used it on singers that had problems when
Antares Autotune couldn't follow over half, half tone steps problems.

Erling

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:4439bd2f$1@linux...
>
>
> There are far better ways to change pitch.
>
> Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp crack
> into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as
> they
> are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use,
> and
> mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or
> something.
> After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple of
> db.
>
> I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for dissapointment.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>How well does it work?
>>
>>Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up
> 10%?
>>
>>I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
> in
>>the day.
>>
>>Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>>
>>Jimmy
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66499 is a reply to message #66429]

Tue, 11 April 2006 07:48

Sound Dog

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Registered: October 2005

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I've got Melodyne 3 and it's by far the best pitch / time correction
software I've used. I've never had good results with PARIS - like Kim says,
a snare drum turns into a fart, in fact all pitch shifting I've done in
PARIS sounds like a fart. Melodyne beats AutoTune hands down, and I've
found it better than the MPEX algorithm used in Nuendo.

Stewart.

erlilo wrote in message <443a0713@linux>...
>What about Melodyne? I have often used it on singers that had problems when
>Antares Autotune couldn't follow over half, half tone steps problems.
>
>Erling
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> skrev i melding news:4439bd2f$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> There are far better ways to change pitch.
>>
>> Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp
crack
>> into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as
>> they
>> are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use,
>> and
>> mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or
>> something.
>> After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple of
>> db.
>>
>> I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for
dissapointment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>How well does it work?
>>>
>>>Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up
>> 10%?
>>>
>>>I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
>> in
>>>the day.
>>>
>>>Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>>>
>>>Jimmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66555 is a reply to message #66419]

Tue, 11 April 2006 18:52

Edna Sloan

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I'm looking into Melodyne, after hearing lots of good things about it.
Autotune seems to be OK for simple auto corrections, but nothing more. I
have done some isolated and very minor pitch correction with PARIS and it
wasn't too bad - nothing like any flatulence I've ever heard though :>)
E
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439bd2f$1@linux...
>
>
> There are far better ways to change pitch.
>
> Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp crack
> into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as
they
> are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use,
and
> mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or
something.
> After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple of
> db.
>
> I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for dissapointment.
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >How well does it work?
> >
> >Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it up
> 10%?
> >
> >I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
> in
> >the day.
> >
> >Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
> >
> >Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66556 is a reply to message #66555]

Tue, 11 April 2006 19:03

Kim
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"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>nothing like any flatulence I've ever heard though :>)

Hehe... no I find it's not too bad on vocals, and the artifacts are less
noticable the less you change the pitch, so moving just 20 cents in a direction
isn't that big a problem.

But try moving something sharp and percussing by 6 semitones and you'll see
what I mean. ;o)

Cheers,
Kim.

>E
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439bd2f$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> There are far better ways to change pitch.
>>
>> Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp crack
>> into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as
>they
>> are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use,
>and
>> mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or
>something.
>> After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple
of
>> db.
>>
>> I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for dissapointment.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >How well does it work?
>> >
>> >Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it
up
>> 10%?
>> >
>> >I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing back
>> in
>> >the day.
>> >
>> >Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>> >
>> >Jimmy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

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Re: Paris pitch bend [message #66633 is a reply to message #66556]

Wed, 12 April 2006 15:33

Don Nafe

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Dumb Q re: melodyne

can the new piches be truggered via midi? i.e. a keyboard

Don

"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:443c5fff$1@linux...
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>nothing like any flatulence I've ever heard though :>)
>
> Hehe... no I find it's not too bad on vocals, and the artifacts are less
> noticable the less you change the pitch, so moving just 20 cents in a
> direction
> isn't that big a problem.
>
> But try moving something sharp and percussing by 6 semitones and you'll
> see
> what I mean. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>
>>E
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4439bd2f$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> There are far better ways to change pitch.
>>>
>>> Paris has a rather old system. Percussive sounds change from a sharp
>>> crack
>>> into more of a fart. ;o) It works alright on vocals though actually, as
>>they
>>> are much softer by nature, but there would be far better things to use,
>>and
>>> mostly I've only used it for pitch corrections of 10% of a semitone or
>>something.
>>> After processing I usually find I need to boost the level by a couple
> of
>>> db.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't try a whole band though... that's destined for
>>> dissapointment.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> >How well does it work?
>>> >
>>> >Could I slow down a song 10% without it sounding messed up? Speed it
> up
>>> 10%?
>>> >
>>> >I like how Prince did his Camille/Bob George voice vari-speed thing
>>> >back
>>> in
>>> >the day.
>>> >
>>> >Just wondered if Paris allowed for that sort of vari-speed latitude.
>>> >
>>> >Jimmy
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

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